Topic: [WARNING] Do not sign for any BFL package you plan to get a refund on! (Read 31940 times)
September 17, 2013, 04:11:47 AM
Well, if you had a post-price increase order I guess I'd be a little worried about ROI but if you have the old orders from back when the Single SC was $1299 I wouldn't be too worried. You might not make a ton of money but if they ship it to you right now you'd likely recover your investment over the next 3-4 months. It's stunning how much the returns have dropped over the last two months but they still generate meaningful amounts of BTC so I wouldn't be too worried. Honestly you'll probably be positive for ROI over a year.
September 16, 2013, 06:31:37 PM
Another root may also be not to pay the import costs, this will in most countries result in a return to sender.
Lets face it, import costs are calculated on declared value. If BFL declare the value at full paid cost this is now a lie, the goods have little significant value now.
Join me everyone
I brought a miner from the Joshman,
he put it in his sack.
Bright and early the next year,
he had my balls upon the rack.
I wrote upon it:
Return to sender, Val'ue unknown
I don't want your product, delivered to my home
We had a quarrel, a lover's spat
I write, I'm sorry but your miners coming back.
Your miner is useless, and customer service is gone.
Lets face it, import costs are calculated on declared value. If BFL declare the value at full paid cost this is now a lie, the goods have little significant value now.
Join me everyone
I brought a miner from the Joshman,
he put it in his sack.
Bright and early the next year,
he had my balls upon the rack.
I wrote upon it:
Return to sender, Val'ue unknown
I don't want your product, delivered to my home
We had a quarrel, a lover's spat
I write, I'm sorry but your miners coming back.
Your miner is useless, and customer service is gone.
September 16, 2013, 05:55:19 PM
Proof:
I've held on as am a bank tx. Am over it now, refund requested, Whats there to lose?
Just got there standard 'all sales are final' email.. lmao oh and same day responce...
September 16, 2013, 02:35:27 PM
You would have to be stupid NOT to sign for that package. 60Ghz for $1333 with the key part about being DELIVERED NOW you really should take it. If it was at $2500 for 50ghz that would not be such a profitable deal.
September 16, 2013, 02:22:25 PM
Proof:
Ooops!
Just got this from mannersmike
Ooops!
September 16, 2013, 11:27:39 AM
Thanks to the OP for the advice not to sign for the package by the way, I'm sure that I would have naively signed for it if I hadn't read this.
Cp1Does your tracking information show that the package is moving?
Yes, it's definitely on its way.
September 16, 2013, 10:10:26 AM
Thanks to the OP for the advice not to sign for the package by the way, I'm sure that I would have naively signed for it if I hadn't read this.
Cp1Does your tracking information show that the package is moving?
Yes, it's definitely on its way.
September 16, 2013, 01:03:52 AM
My gut is telling me there is some trolling going on.
Would be very interested to see verified reports of the allegations being made that orders have been "force shipped" as a result of a chargeback/refund request.
Edit: Wellokthen. So the evidence has been presented, and does not look good for Butterfly Labs.
Would be very interested to see verified reports of the allegations being made that orders have been "force shipped" as a result of a chargeback/refund request.
Edit: Wellokthen. So the evidence has been presented, and does not look good for Butterfly Labs.
I think people here should show some evidence that they really were shipped out of order before anyone really believes it...
Could just be a mistake, a coincidence, ... or an effort to trigger mass refund requests.
Could just be a mistake, a coincidence, ... or an effort to trigger mass refund requests.
September 16, 2013, 12:41:38 AM
I think people here should show some evidence that they really were shipped out of order before anyone really believes it...
Could just be a mistake, a coincidence, ... or an effort to trigger mass refund requests.
Could just be a mistake, a coincidence, ... or an effort to trigger mass refund requests.
September 15, 2013, 11:28:54 PM
Thanks to the OP for the advice not to sign for the package by the way, I'm sure that I would have naively signed for it if I hadn't read this.
Cp1Does your tracking information show that the package is moving?
September 15, 2013, 11:15:13 PM
Thanks to the OP for the advice not to sign for the package by the way, I'm sure that I would have naively signed for it if I hadn't read this.
September 15, 2013, 11:07:36 PM
Josh just butthurt that he gets outbid by "newbies" in the advertising rounds here.
I support Grnbrg's efforts tho. Didn't know he was just a mod.
I can hear the convo now..The Josh: "You want the truth, Grnbrg? You cant handle the truth"
I support Grnbrg's efforts tho. Didn't know he was just a mod.
I can hear the convo now..The Josh: "You want the truth, Grnbrg? You cant handle the truth"
September 15, 2013, 11:05:33 PM
I talked to my credit card company and they said to refuse the package and they'd handle getting me the refund.
do you have a reddit account? apparently bfl doesnt know that bfl is shipping orders out of queue and wants proof.http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1mch22/bfl_refund_success_sort_of_lol/cc96tm6
if I had the opportunity to stick it to BFL, I'd change my password to "BFLSUCKSCOCK1234", give it to grnbrg, and tell him to have a blast. The account is useless after a refund anyways.
No, it has my personal info still.
He's a BFL employee,
Nope. Forum mod, and I've been posting news to the twitter feed that I created, but I'm not staff. Or paid, for that matter.
Yes, I was sent an 4GH/s Jalapeno for the work I've done. Yes, I've been more pro-BFL than most. But that's been strained lately....
grnbrg
September 15, 2013, 10:35:59 PM
I talked to my credit card company and they said to refuse the package and they'd handle getting me the refund.
do you have a reddit account? apparently bfl doesnt know that bfl is shipping orders out of queue and wants proof.http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1mch22/bfl_refund_success_sort_of_lol/cc96tm6
if I had the opportunity to stick it to BFL, I'd change my password to "BFLSUCKSCOCK1234", give it to grnbrg, and tell him to have a blast. The account is useless after a refund anyways.
No, it has my personal info still.
He's a BFL employee,
Nope. Forum mod, and I've been posting news to the twitter feed that I created, but I'm not staff. Or paid, for that matter.
Yes, I was sent an 4GH/s Jalapeno for the work I've done. Yes, I've been more pro-BFL than most. But that's been strained lately....
grnbrg
September 15, 2013, 10:25:37 PM
I talked to my credit card company and they said to refuse the package and they'd handle getting me the refund.
do you have a reddit account? apparently bfl doesnt know that bfl is shipping orders out of queue and wants proof.http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1mch22/bfl_refund_success_sort_of_lol/cc96tm6
if I had the opportunity to stick it to BFL, I'd change my password to "BFLSUCKSCOCK1234", give it to grnbrg, and tell him to have a blast. The account is useless after a refund anyways.
No, it has my personal info still.
He's a BFL employee,
Then he should be able to look at orders that have shipped in the last couple weeks and see for himself.
September 15, 2013, 10:22:38 PM
I talked to my credit card company and they said to refuse the package and they'd handle getting me the refund.
do you have a reddit account? apparently bfl doesnt know that bfl is shipping orders out of queue and wants proof.http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1mch22/bfl_refund_success_sort_of_lol/cc96tm6
if I had the opportunity to stick it to BFL, I'd change my password to "BFLSUCKSCOCK1234", give it to grnbrg, and tell him to have a blast. The account is useless after a refund anyways.
No, it has my personal info still.
He's a BFL employee,
Then he should be able to look at orders that have shipped in the last couple weeks and see for himself.
September 15, 2013, 10:20:29 PM
I talked to my credit card company and they said to refuse the package and they'd handle getting me the refund.
do you have a reddit account? apparently bfl doesnt know that bfl is shipping orders out of queue and wants proof.http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1mch22/bfl_refund_success_sort_of_lol/cc96tm6
if I had the opportunity to stick it to BFL, I'd change my password to "BFLSUCKSCOCK1234", give it to grnbrg, and tell him to have a blast. The account is useless after a refund anyways.
No, it has my personal info still.
He's a BFL employee,
September 15, 2013, 10:19:43 PM
I talked to my credit card company and they said to refuse the package and they'd handle getting me the refund.
do you have a reddit account? apparently bfl doesnt know that bfl is shipping orders out of queue and wants proof.http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1mch22/bfl_refund_success_sort_of_lol/cc96tm6
if I had the opportunity to stick it to BFL, I'd change my password to "BFLSUCKSCOCK1234", give it to grnbrg, and tell him to have a blast. The account is useless after a refund anyways.
No, it has my personal info still.
September 15, 2013, 10:18:06 PM
I talked to my credit card company and they said to refuse the package and they'd handle getting me the refund.
do you have a reddit account? apparently bfl doesnt know that bfl is shipping orders out of queue and wants proof.http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1mch22/bfl_refund_success_sort_of_lol/cc96tm6
if I had the opportunity to stick it to them, I'd change my BFL password to "BFLSUCKSCOCK1234", give it to grnbrg, and tell him to have a blast. The account is useless after a refund anyways.
I personally don't really care for the proof. This isnt epic trollery going on here. Would still be helpful tho.
September 15, 2013, 09:56:11 PM
I wonder what will happen when 50% of customers request chargeback this week.
I doubt that many unrefunded, undelivered credit card orders newer then six months exist.
September 15, 2013, 09:54:55 PM
I wonder what will happen when 50% of customers request chargeback this week.
I doubt that many unrefunded, undelivered credit card orders newer then six months exist.
September 15, 2013, 09:52:52 PM
I wonder what will happen when 50% of customers request chargeback this week.
September 15, 2013, 09:51:30 PM
Hmmm. Units being delivered NOW won't make ROI?
September 15, 2013, 09:47:36 PM
They shipped my order when I did a credit card chargeback. I've got a tracking number that shows it's on its way. I'd rather have a refund, but I'm worried if I refuse to sign for it then I won't get either the refund or the product.
So your order was shipped out of place in order to prevent the money from being charged back, essentially? September 15, 2013, 06:59:50 PM
Think these people can do a screenshot of their Feb/Mar/Apr/Whenever order having been shipped and post it? That would be pretty good proof.
It has no credibility without such.
September 15, 2013, 06:57:09 PM
Think these people can do a screenshot of their Feb/Mar/Apr/Whenever order having been shipped and post it? That would be pretty good proof.
It has no credibility without such.
September 15, 2013, 02:18:12 PM
Think these people can do a screenshot of their Feb/Mar/Apr/Whenever order having been shipped and post it? That would be pretty good proof.
September 15, 2013, 03:18:21 AM
Uh. The subtext here is that cancelling will make them ship yours right away.
It's almost a little hard to believe since, obviously, people would eventually figure that out and the result would be pretty easy to predict.
It's almost a little hard to believe since, obviously, people would eventually figure that out and the result would be pretty easy to predict.
Yes, and it is a problem because at this point, nobody wants to receive their order anymore, they would rather have the refund. BFL is now trying to "trick" people into taking their miner instead of the refund by sending it to them without the customer noticing.
September 15, 2013, 02:49:07 AM
Uh. The subtext here is that cancelling will make them ship yours right away.
It's almost a little hard to believe since, obviously, people would eventually figure that out and the result would be pretty easy to predict.
It's almost a little hard to believe since, obviously, people would eventually figure that out and the result would be pretty easy to predict.
Seems to be evidence of that happening.
September 15, 2013, 02:42:25 AM
Uh. The subtext here is that cancelling will make them ship yours right away.
It's almost a little hard to believe since, obviously, people would eventually figure that out and the result would be pretty easy to predict.
It's almost a little hard to believe since, obviously, people would eventually figure that out and the result would be pretty easy to predict.
September 15, 2013, 02:36:53 AM
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1mdllj/bfl_marking_order_shipped_after_i_filed_a/
It seems that if anyone tried to file a chargeback to get money from BFL, they will immediately ship them a package in order to make a chargeback impossible.
If you sign for a package, you can no longer get a refund from BFL!
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I filed a chargeback via my credit card company recently and filed a claim with PayPal regarding BFL. Now, 4 days later, they marked my order as shipped and gave me tracking numbers that won't display on USPS.com. Has anyone else experienced this?
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Yes. This is literally what they are doing. They did it to me as well. When they ship, REFUSE TO SIGN FOR THE PACKAGE. If you sign for the package, you accept the business agreement/transaction legally.
I did this today, after canceling on an April '13 order. They shipped anyway, told them to fuck off. (I was polite to the fedex guy)
I did this today, after canceling on an April '13 order. They shipped anyway, told them to fuck off. (I was polite to the fedex guy)
It seems that if anyone tried to file a chargeback to get money from BFL, they will immediately ship them a package in order to make a chargeback impossible.
If you sign for a package, you can no longer get a refund from BFL!
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