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Topic: [Warning] Duckdice.io Representative: False Accusations, and Deceptive Tactics (Read 126 times)

legendary
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Yes, I'm an asshole
You said:
"I believe it's not hard to imagine that casinos and other platforms hold their customer data and privacy very seriously. If I may overshare, even a casino that [I'd like to think] trusted me enough, were reluctant to provide me a customer's email address, which was the core of a dispute situation they had and could solve the issue right there and then. Matter of seconds."

If Duckdice was so concerned about customer privacy, then why did their representative repeatedly ask for my permission to post the emails publicly? I ignored the request multiple times, but he kept pushing and asking for my explicit permission, claiming that he needed it to post the emails.
Was he threatening me? Was he trying to scare me into silence? The way he asked—multiple times in a disrespectful and persistent manner—shows that this was not about privacy concerns at all. Have you even read the exchangs? Your claim that Duckdice is "bound by privacy" is completely false in this context.


Here is the link showing how Duckdice's representative disregarded any supposed privacy concerns https://imgur.com/a/o4cjb4H
Despite me granting permission he still hasn't posted the emails. If privacy was truly the issue, why ask for permission to begin with? Clearly, privacy was not their concern—this was about accusing me of blackmail without providing any evidence. This only reinforces my belief that Duckdice is trying to manipulate the situation and avoid accountability.

Explained in your other thread, which would be easier for everybody to track if you keep everything in one single thread instead of multiple and simultaneously discuss different matters.

2. @Holydarkness You said: “about your main isue being overshadowed and dismissed, about the fairness of your bets, I have to say I am not sure what approach is the best method to get to this explained, as it's been explained in redundant.”


1.   Can you identify which bet in that log is a win and which is a loss?
2.   How much was the bet amount for each bet?
3.   On which side was each bet placed?

How is this a "result" when it does not answer these questions? If the log lacks this detailed information, then it cannot be considered a fair and transparent resolution of the issue.
You also mentioned "PF"—can you clarify what you mean by this term and explain how it supports the fairness of the results in this situation?

@Holydarkness You said: “Stepping a bit into the realm of assumption, they utilize PF, that can be verified by literally any player at any given time. If they manipulate fairness, one or two or dozens of players are bound to come with proof of it. The lack of such evidence-backed complaint, would suggest it is safe to assume they are fair.”

Explained on above post... sort of. Other people have tried to pitch in and help digging out and prove/disprove the claim. Of which, then, I propose by, I said and I quote myself, "Stepping a bit into the realm of assumption, they utilize PF, that can be verified by literally any player at any given time. If they manipulate fairness, one or two or dozens of players are bound to come with proof of it. The lack of such evidence-backed complaint, would suggest it is safe to assume they are fair."

Because otherwise, there will be a very high likeliness several people already caught and unearth the unfairness when they consult their own round with the PF verification. Five leaf clover? Remember?

But let's try it other way, do you have other idea you can propose to logically prove/disprove their [un]fairness? We are all ear.

Please take a moment to review this screenshot for your reference: https://imgur.com/a/OYcj7X9  https://prnt.sc/w5ws9b
This demonstrates a case where Duckdice.io so_called "Provably Fair" system failed to ensure fairness. In this instance, a user's bet was manipulated, and after discussions, they received a refund. This incident, confirmed by their own admin, proves that the PF system is not infallible and can be compromised or mishandled.
Your argument about PF being verifiable by anyone and inherently guaranteeing fairness doesn’t hold up when there is clear evidence of manipulation acknowledged by the platform itself.


Again, already explained in other thread. The "incident" was a visual bug, and they choose to take a diplomatic approach to get that situation resolved.

You pointing this out, as well as other topics that's been explained over and over, made me unable to help but wonder though, why do these matters kept being pointed out though they've been explained? Did you not read the explanation? You forgot they've explained? Or is it because of something else?

May I ask you, Holydarkness—are you a representative of Duckdice.io, or are you replying on behalf of their representative? Why is Kirito89 sending you personal messages, and then you come here to explain them? Why can’t he do this himself? Why are you answering instead of him?

Nope, I am not representative of DuckDice, but don't take my word for granted, please, by all means, allow me to provide you the same offer that I gave people who accuses me of being a staff of a casino [usually that's when they tried to grasp at straws, though], you're free to prove it.

The Blockchain is there, my address is not a secret. If I am a staff of theirs, my payslips can easily be shown by the Blockchain. Be our guest and be the first one to prove that I am secretly a staff of a casino instead of someone who seemingly like to inflict headache and mini stroke to his own head and brain by trying to get to the bottom of cases that sometimes involves... interesting people.

Wasn’t he supposed to reply to this thread directly and answer my questions, denying the accusations if they were false? Instead, you stepped in. Why?

Aaaaaagaaaiiinnnnn... been answered. Above. On the exact same thread: shit happens. Ambiguous, I know, deliberately done in case he prefer his situation to be kept undisclosed, but it's pretty much obvious: he has personal issue to attend. I really asking now and am hoping for an answer: did you read the replies given to you?

Isn’t this a matter where both parties need to be questioned equally? I’ve read your previous posts about Duckdice, and I’ve noticed that you consistently seem positive toward them, even in situations where their actions seem questionable. In fact, I’ve seen other threads against them where they’ve been accused of wrongdoing, yet you remained positive about them. This comes across as strange and biased.

If I may ask your help to read them and give a quick summary, in those other threads, were the casino found to be guilty or was the final ruling and findings shows that the player did foul things?

Furthermore, the representative Kirito89 has visited the forum several times after 01/01/2025 but hasn’t responded to any of my questions. Instead, you’ve been the one replying. Why is that the case?

Probably because his account is connected to his personal phone and/or the PC on his workstation stayed on and logged into the forum? How exactly can I know why that happen? And about me replying, do you prefer me to stop replying?
newbie
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May I ask you, Holydarkness—are you a representative of Duckdice.io, or are you replying on behalf of their representative? Why is Kirito89 sending you personal messages, and then you come here to explain them? Why can’t he do this himself? Why are you answering instead of him?

Wasn’t he supposed to reply to this thread directly and answer my questions, denying the accusations if they were false? Instead, you stepped in. Why?

Isn’t this a matter where both parties need to be questioned equally? I’ve read your previous posts about Duckdice, and I’ve noticed that you consistently seem positive toward them, even in situations where their actions seem questionable. In fact, I’ve seen other threads against them where they’ve been accused of wrongdoing, yet you remained positive about them. This comes across as strange and biased.

Furthermore, the representative Kirito89 has visited the forum several times after 01/01/2025 but hasn’t responded to any of my questions. Instead, you’ve been the one replying. Why is that the case?
newbie
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Sometimes I wonder why and how some things that's so obvious that doesn't need [at least to me] an in-depth explanation got their own thread of wall of text. But that doesn't hold a candle of my wondering about why do I put myself back to a thread upon a request when I've previously ready to take a spectator seat.

I'll try to address the wall of text above in general, as I somehow get that the tone and narrative written on this thread is I had a long night with Kirito, in bed, rolling and uhh... things, with that "Kirito89 started a private conversation with user Holydarkness. He then called this a "technical issue," "platform reputation," and "customer love"—terms that seem deliberately vague and avoid addressing the core matter." while the core point of the post itself is already clearly written in the earliest part of it: private matter.

But I was apparently wrong and being a bit vague yield us a situation that agitate things more than necessary.

So, OP, if you have to know and need things to be spelled out, that "technical issue, platform reputation and [I don't think I wrote this?] customer love" is that: private matter.

I believe it's not hard to imagine that casinos and other platforms holds their customer data and privacy very seriously. If I may overshare, even a casino that [I'd like to think] trusted me enough, were reluctant to provide me a customer's email address, which was the core of a dispute situation they had and could solve the issue right there and then. Matter of seconds.

Instead, they require the player to write a formal inquiry though their department, that kinda add extra load to their already busy situation [at that time], simply because they can't hand that piece of info to a third party.

With that in mind, I believe you can understand the gist of what me and Kirito discussed; those "technical issue" things are the red tapes that our DuckDice representative has to pass just to get me to see the data, despite the data owner's written agreement.

The original arrangement was for me to see the email addresses, verify the similarity, and cover some parts of them to make them incomprehensivable for spammers or other actors with malicious intent, yet clear enough to connect the dots of similarities.

And when the circumstance changed and you asked it to be made public, though Kirito was more than willing and [probably] rather excited to have more people verify it so we can cross an individual bias and misjudgment from the equation, the red tapes morphed into a red wall.

That is what Kirito reached and talked with me in direct means of communication, as he didn't want to leave room of misinterpretation and misunderstanding about how things become not feasible, and one or two other things.

Summarized, "private matter". Your private matter.

Is the situation more easy to be understood now?

Next, him disappearing from the forum. I happened to know why [part of that "one or two other things" mentioned above] but I am dead-sure I am not at liberty to say what, that's his to tell... or not to tell. All I [think] I can say is: shit happens. And as a fellow forum member [not just someone who got stuck in the middle of your beef with the casino he worked on, simply a forum member] I am hoping the best situation for what he's facing right now.

Next, about your main issue being overshadowed and dismissed, about the fairness of your bets, I have to say I am not sure what approach is the best method to get to this explained, as it's been explained in redundant. About your bets, with your account being deleted and wiped clean, it's hard to prove your claim of losing streak. One other member had generously gave his time to compile a log from one scap of info that accidentally salvaged. But this too bear no fruit as you changed sides so often during that period, which rendered the log unable to prove or disprove the claim.

Stepping a bit into the realm of assumption, they utilize PF, that can be verified by literally any player at any given time. If they manipulate fairness, one or two or dozens of players are bound to come with proof of it. The lack of such evidence-backed complaint, would suggest it is safe to assume they are fair.

These two matters are already explained again and again on your main thread. How is this dismissed and being overshadowed?

Next, me skipping that part of you demanding their written apology and acknowledgement in form of neutral tag, well, yes I am removing myself from that exact part as I don't need the headache that'll occur in the process of it. It's completely within you and them. I can't force them to write that tag and I can't force you to consider withdrawing that request. Should I try something that I know will only give me [further] headache? Or, more importantly, why was it brought to the attention of this thread? Was it wrong of me to opt out from something like that?

Kindly let me know if I miss to cover a point or two. I'll revisit and address it if the circumstance allows me, or it doesn't pose me a risk of migraine.
You said:
"I believe it's not hard to imagine that casinos and other platforms hold their customer data and privacy very seriously. If I may overshare, even a casino that [I'd like to think] trusted me enough, were reluctant to provide me a customer's email address, which was the core of a dispute situation they had and could solve the issue right there and then. Matter of seconds."

If Duckdice was so concerned about customer privacy, then why did their representative repeatedly ask for my permission to post the emails publicly? I ignored the request multiple times, but he kept pushing and asking for my explicit permission, claiming that he needed it to post the emails.
Was he threatening me? Was he trying to scare me into silence? The way he asked—multiple times in a disrespectful and persistent manner—shows that this was not about privacy concerns at all. Have you even read the exchangs? Your claim that Duckdice is "bound by privacy" is completely false in this context.

Here is the link showing how Duckdice's representative disregarded any supposed privacy concerns https://imgur.com/a/o4cjb4H
Despite me granting permission he still hasn't posted the emails. If privacy was truly the issue, why ask for permission to begin with? Clearly, privacy was not their concern—this was about accusing me of blackmail without providing any evidence. This only reinforces my belief that Duckdice is trying to manipulate the situation and avoid accountability.

2. @Holydarkness You said: “about your main isue being overshadowed and dismissed, about the fairness of your bets, I have to say I am not sure what approach is the best method to get to this explained, as it's been explained in redundant.”


1.   Can you identify which bet in that log is a win and which is a loss?
2.   How much was the bet amount for each bet?
3.   On which side was each bet placed?

How is this a "result" when it does not answer these questions? If the log lacks this detailed information, then it cannot be considered a fair and transparent resolution of the issue.
You also mentioned "PF"—can you clarify what you mean by this term and explain how it supports the fairness of the results in this situation?

@Holydarkness You said: “Stepping a bit into the realm of assumption, they utilize PF, that can be verified by literally any player at any given time. If they manipulate fairness, one or two or dozens of players are bound to come with proof of it. The lack of such evidence-backed complaint, would suggest it is safe to assume they are fair.”

Please take a moment to review this screenshot for your reference: https://imgur.com/a/OYcj7X9  https://prnt.sc/w5ws9b
This demonstrates a case where Duckdice.io so_called "Provably Fair" system failed to ensure fairness. In this instance, a user's bet was manipulated, and after discussions, they received a refund. This incident, confirmed by their own admin, proves that the PF system is not infallible and can be compromised or mishandled.
Your argument about PF being verifiable by anyone and inherently guaranteeing fairness doesn’t hold up when there is clear evidence of manipulation acknowledged by the platform itself.


legendary
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Yes, I'm an asshole
Sometimes I wonder why and how some things that's so obvious that doesn't need [at least to me] an in-depth explanation got their own thread of wall of text. But that doesn't hold a candle of my wondering about why do I put myself back to a thread upon a request when I've previously ready to take a spectator seat.

I'll try to address the wall of text above in general, as I somehow get that the tone and narrative written on this thread is I had a long night with Kirito, in bed, rolling and uhh... things, with that "Kirito89 started a private conversation with user Holydarkness. He then called this a "technical issue," "platform reputation," and "customer love"—terms that seem deliberately vague and avoid addressing the core matter." while the core point of the post itself is already clearly written in the earliest part of it: private matter.

But I was apparently wrong and being a bit vague yield us a situation that agitate things more than necessary.

So, OP, if you have to know and need things to be spelled out, that "technical issue, platform reputation and [I don't think I wrote this?] customer love" is that: private matter.

I believe it's not hard to imagine that casinos and other platforms holds their customer data and privacy very seriously. If I may overshare, even a casino that [I'd like to think] trusted me enough, were reluctant to provide me a customer's email address, which was the core of a dispute situation they had and could solve the issue right there and then. Matter of seconds.

Instead, they require the player to write a formal inquiry though their department, that kinda add extra load to their already busy situation [at that time], simply because they can't hand that piece of info to a third party.

With that in mind, I believe you can understand the gist of what me and Kirito discussed; those "technical issue" things are the red tapes that our DuckDice representative has to pass just to get me to see the data, despite the data owner's written agreement.

The original arrangement was for me to see the email addresses, verify the similarity, and cover some parts of them to make them incomprehensivable for spammers or other actors with malicious intent, yet clear enough to connect the dots of similarities.

And when the circumstance changed and you asked it to be made public, though Kirito was more than willing and [probably] rather excited to have more people verify it so we can cross an individual bias and misjudgment from the equation, the red tapes morphed into a red wall.

That is what Kirito reached and talked with me in direct means of communication, as he didn't want to leave room of misinterpretation and misunderstanding about how things become not feasible, and one or two other things.

Summarized, "private matter". Your private matter.

Is the situation more easy to be understood now?

Next, him disappearing from the forum. I happened to know why [part of that "one or two other things" mentioned above] but I am dead-sure I am not at liberty to say what, that's his to tell... or not to tell. All I [think] I can say is: shit happens. And as a fellow forum member [not just someone who got stuck in the middle of your beef with the casino he worked on, simply a forum member] I am hoping the best situation for what he's facing right now.

Next, about your main issue being overshadowed and dismissed, about the fairness of your bets, I have to say I am not sure what approach is the best method to get to this explained, as it's been explained in redundant. About your bets, with your account being deleted and wiped clean, it's hard to prove your claim of losing streak. One other member had generously gave his time to compile a log from one scap of info that accidentally salvaged. But this too bear no fruit as you changed sides so often during that period, which rendered the log unable to prove or disprove the claim.

Stepping a bit into the realm of assumption, they utilize PF, that can be verified by literally any player at any given time. If they manipulate fairness, one or two or dozens of players are bound to come with proof of it. The lack of such evidence-backed complaint, would suggest it is safe to assume they are fair.

These two matters are already explained again and again on your main thread. How is this dismissed and being overshadowed?

Next, me skipping that part of you demanding their written apology and acknowledgement in form of neutral tag, well, yes I am removing myself from that exact part as I don't need the headache that'll occur in the process of it. It's completely within you and them. I can't force them to write that tag and I can't force you to consider withdrawing that request. Should I try something that I know will only give me [further] headache? Or, more importantly, why was it brought to the attention of this thread? Was it wrong of me to opt out from something like that?

Kindly let me know if I miss to cover a point or two. I'll revisit and address it if the circumstance allows me, or it doesn't pose me a risk of migraine.
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I am writing this to shed light on the deceptive and unethical behavior of Duckdice.io's representative, Kirito89. Over the past several days, I have been falsely accused, misled, and subjected to tactics that seem designed to tarnish my reputation.

False Accusations of Blackmail
Duckdice.io's representative accused me of being a blackmailer, claiming that I sent them emails demanding money. Here is the link to his baseless accusation: https://imgur.com/a/f1771CL
https://imgur.com/a/mlK1XrF

To make matters worse, for the 3rd time, he asked me for permission to share the email in a disrespectful and strongly worded manner, as you can see here: https://imgur.com/a/o4cjb4H

When I asked for proof of this claim, Kirito89 requested my permission to post the emails conversations they received publicly. Here https://imgur.com/a/6yTLgbm

When Duckdice's representative first asked me for permission to post the emails publicly, I ignored the request as I was concerned about my privacy. However, he kept asking persistently, leaving me with no other option. I gave him explicit permission to share the email to clear my name. Here: https://imgur.com/a/tkXAOS1

I have already shared my email address publicly, where you can view the conversation between me and their team. Here is the link: https://imgur.com/a/tvK4qIA.

Since I gave him permission on December 28 (if I am not mistaken), instead of posting the emails as agreed, Kirito89 started a private conversation with user Holydarkness. He then called this a "technical issue," "platform reputation," and "customer love"—terms that seem deliberately vague and avoid addressing the core matter.

After these excuses, he disappeared from the forum, while still remaining in touch with Holydarkness privately. Despite this, he has not returned to address the accusations or provide the evidence publicly.

Meanwhile, my main issue—resolving the fairness of my bets—has been completely dismissed, overshadowed by the baseless accusations he made against me.

There have also been numerous changes in his statements, which I will outline further in subsequent posts to highlight the inconsistencies and lack of transparency.

Account Deletion After Public Post

Duckdice.io deleted my account after I made a public post against them. It appears they took this action to prevent my data from being revealed in public, which raises serious concerns.

To make matters worse, Kirito89 from their support team has been dishonest regarding the account deletion. Initially, he claimed that my account was deleted by me. Here’s the screenshot proving this: https://imgur.com/a/zBKH7c7.

Later, he changed his statement and claimed: “We don’t actually delete accounts until it’s user-requested.” Here’s the screenshot:  https://imgur.com/a/Uj6F1nl .

It’s clear that Duckdice.io is trying to cover up something, and they’re not being transparent with their users. I strongly urge anyone using their platform to be cautious, as their claims about account deletion are inconsistent and unreliable.

I asked them: To resolve this issue, I believe Duckdice should publicly apologize here for falsely accusing me and leave a neutral post on my profile acknowledging their mistake. Once that’s done, we can move forward and focus on the main issue that I’ve been consistently raising: the accurate and fair resolution of my bet results.

While user Holydarkness commented on this matter, saying:
"Will skip this as this is none of my business, I don't need this headache, and fully at theirs and your hand."

Additionally here is the link to the specific questions I raised: https://imgur.com/a/pMrYiYL.
I believe Duckdice is playing with users and blaming them when they raise their voices against them in forums. However, with me, they need to act professionally and honestly. Only honesty can save them and resolve this situation fairly.


I would appreciate your support in backing my flag against them until they come forward with a fair and clear resolution.
Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3350
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