Topic: Was it cruel to girls to pretend they should behave equal to men?? (Read 276 times)

Female should always lag on behalf of men its like an universal oath in olden days. The concept has been reversed like men and women has got equal rights in all means.

Its nothing that if a child born as a girl must be secured inside walls. It is true for there safety but if we do so the real talents hidden in them is burried therby.

Another thing in our day to day life women playing a major role in all means it indirectly never says that it is they are cruel instead we can say they are truly talented or interested towards a thing.

Restriction of feminism surely will leads another unnecessary path in this modern world.

Men and women are not equal by the way but nothing stops them from doing the same things but some girls think drinking and having fun among friends are the job of men but actually they are responsible for their family's future.

There are women who make millions and men who sleeps at streets so gender doesn't made anything to their earning ability.

Thank you, these are all good ideas. It is true some girls that are just as smart as men. The problem is the economic. If only one working and one stay at home with the children, I think house price ( the worst cost in life) will be only half. Also children will return to stronger minds and less corrupted thoughts . If girls can not afford to their own house the demand for house will go down so yeah will reduce in cost.

I think best way is if in family the one that can earn the highest amount will work the other will stay home and help kids and housework. Can be girl or the men.

The problem can be some girls, the media make them think it is weak and unequal to be house mum. They need to prove they can be equal to men. Some jobs girls can not do in a equal way police, fire service and manual strength tasks, driving job , task of great complexity. Other things they excel supermarket and shops makeup counter, kindergarten teaching, and other helpful personal assistant and secretary nurse. You can find one big stronger girls that can do manual and police but not many and these sometime can't get a partner because men don't want one bigger stronger as them, so these reducing in DNA each generation . Also some very clever girls can do complex jobs if they train with men for many years and we teach them, they then get even smarter than lot of men. Scientist have shown girl brains are not much less, they just never train them before so we did not realized they can be equal. Now we know it.

So whichever one can earn more, that one will work other can stay home with kids if the man is less capable than the wife then that is his own falt and can still learn to house chores and help he children with love and care. People can buy less unwanted gadget new car and material things and just focus food, heat house time with kids. Girls will soon adapt to understand they will happier to behave more natural not feel must act as a man.

Teasing them can be the same as men and must  to try it is bad for boys and girls. No need to both scurry as the rat and get nothing more than if one do.

I understand the member who say we must have wenches and prostitutes and has always been, that is a very useful job for girls but not suitable if you have a family and children in my idea. Only if no food or last resort and try to keep secret. Hopefully not.

Really? They could be done by both genders but should they? Would the work done by a man and a woman in these conditions be of equal value?
Think a man and a woman working in construction. A typical woman is too weak to hold a roof beam or carry packs of cement. She's going to know how to do it and can have skill and an eye to spot mistakes, but she will never be an equal physical worker as an average man.

Women are weaker than men and for this reason they're not competing with men in combat sports and such. They should seek equality in salaries but not in access to jobs as they simply don't do certain things as good as men. There are of course jobs they do much better that's why some jobs are dominated by women like nursery and primary school teachers, home tutors, nurses, flight attendants and many more.

Part of the problem is that, women don't even support themselves. We are all beings with disregards to sexes and these opportunities are readily available to all but then, utilizing it becomes a problem as some women are sentimental towards each other on why should one attain certain heights in some organization.
Various sexes owes nature certain duties which most be done no matter what. For example, 'a male soldier will have a lot of comfort going on war trips while the wife raises their milking baby but, in the case of the female soldier, the case is different as you can't comfortably live a milking baby with the husband's and go in war trips!'
Science will always tell you that a man has more body muscle mass than women, fact! These are segregations of some sort showing that these extra muscles makes one suited better for certain duties and ensure certain amount of stress. Christianity teaches that a woman was created as a helper and to ensure procreation/continuity. So, women should act the part if you believe in the teaching, you can't help more than is needed. An imbalance in systems is a fault that can lead to the destruction of the whole process.
We can argue equal rights as we are all humans and suffer equal amounts of favourable and unfavourable aspects of our actions but equity in every aspect is doubtful.

In my country women are able to work but the thing is most of them are very lazy when it comes to working because they want to find someone rich to take care of their needs so if a guy tends to find a lady like this they end up becoming the person to do everything for the said lady. But there are independent ladies out there as well who equally contribute when they are not relationships.

At this modern time all things men do can also be done by women in terms of job same with trading or in any market. We all have our choice. Same with women. Some women accelerates in their own way and can win over men. There just some people who are still using the gender to get advantage over things.

I think it isn't cruelty so much as it is ignorance. Not every where within the world, but in a lot of places women are beginning to finally feel like equals to their masculine counterparts, men. What you must understand is that women have been suppressed for the longest time, always taking a back seat and now the traditional church upbringing is beginning to lose some its grip on today's society of people. There was once a time when the man was the sole bread winner and the wife was a homemaker (watch any show or movie from the 50's to get a feel of it), but binary roles as of today are kind of shifting. '
  Today many women occupy jobs that was once dominated by men, yes, a lot of it is because of civil actions made against companies, but the overall projection is that women are occupying more roles than every before.

Well in some countries that could work, especially in muslim countries. Though as times progress, i doubt you'll be able to put women to how they were before. With all the women empowerment and fair rights advocates, and with times changing as well to accommodate them in their new roles, keeping them inside the house is likely not going to happen. And why should it? Some women make more money than their husbands to run the household. Some have more successful careers. Times have changes and we should also be able to adapt.

i never pretended and said girls should behave equal to men but i find it sexy that there are women that earn money in countless different jobs, and are not just trapped at home with children and kitchen, although i think many women would be fine with it.

i would be quite excited seeing women run their own community.

regards

The most fascinating thing to watch is Scandinavian countries, where they pushed equality to max lvl. What happened is women and men given same opportunities and virtually full freedom of choice tend to choose typical male and female (nurses, babysitters etc) occupations.

i don't pretend that, women could also do all job positiones men do, but men can't get pregnant and give birth to children.

as long as the society is sustainable and its economy sustainable i am fine with women being equal.

many western societies have literally destroyed their own reproductive behavior by allowing the mass exploitation of women as a labour source

Funny how women ask for equality but when things get wrong they would use their gender to get more sympathy.
They are the one's who asked for it and they have a choice they could always stay at home and be a house wife if they want too,
They could also do a home base job if they want to spend more time at home there is always a way .

Well if those women accepted the terms and condition by the company or entity they'd applied on then they must do the similar task as men if that's what's assigned to them. There's no other way on this, you say you want equality will this is what you've longed for, the world of cruelty, the pain of being a corporate slave.
To me, if women choose the path of having a family and having a job just like men then they must be prepared to face the same consequences. After all, its their own decision.

Wages stagnated because more women entered the same workplace that used to be men only. This meant there's more possible workers that would be willing to take the low pay. Think of the low wages in China. Even without the authoritarian government, with that much people employers can simply not hire people that ask for more. This meant single breadwinner families can no longer keep up, requiring more women to enter the workforce. That's the cycle. 


Also I heard that men are more likely to take overtime and also the amount of time spent on pregnancy leave affect the total earnings women would have.

I don't think it was pretentious to treat men equally as men because now both boys and girls are on the same rhythm. In the workplace they are both working equally but they will never be equal. Because the difference in the work can be seen If men are good at one job then women are good at another Everyone has a few goals and many times they are not satisfied.

It isn't a matter of Sex/ gender anymore in your problem. Its a matter of family planning/family decision making. See, you can't exactly blame the decision to make men and women equal for the consequences of families, specifically as you say, women, being unable to accomodate to their children and community. A man can spend honestly as much time as a woman can with their family, and nothing would be particularly wrong with it right?

A woman can work, A man can take care of household matters. A man can work, A woman can become the family household matters. Now, if either of them are having problems with regards to their connection to their children, it's not the fault of their genders, but their fault as parents overall. Family planning. Simple answer.

These are very rational thoughts, I completely agree with this.
After all, no one says that “men dominate,” because women better understand psychology and relationships, they have more emotions and a sensual side is well developed (men do not have this by nature). Men are good in one, women in another. And isn't it wonderful when we can complement each other so that there is harmony in the world. After all, a man needs love (the sensual side of life), which can be obtained by communicating with a woman. In turn, a woman needs the order and structure of the world, which a man can do.

I think it’s right when a woman spends more time with her family, children, rather than trying to structure the world. Moreover, if you ask the women themselves about this, then most of them will say the same.

A man has a different way, men need to do something, achieve something (some goals and objectives), there is no satisfaction from life without this.

There are different situations (everything is different for everyone), but in general, you need to understand that men need to protect women, and try to take more responsibility for the material part of life. But women need to understand that they need to harmonize the space around them (to create an atmosphere of comfort and happiness), because a man cannot do this as good as woman can. And this is normal, and everyone will be happy with it.

Ah yes, I remember seeing this report saying that men flock towards the highest paying jobs (I think one of these highest paying jobs was Petroleum engineer, other types of engineers, computer science, etc) and women flock towards the lowest paying jobs (education, children welfare services, etc)

So yeah, it's not a wage gap because men hate women. It's a gap because of CHOICES WHICH IS FINE AND GOOD.

wage gap is false news
instead of leveling workers from 0-cleaner to 20-manager and then numbered the wage average column by column

EG
00- M:$20k W:$19k - M0staff W20staff
20- M:$200k W:190k - M1staff W0staff

you would only see a 5% discrepancy.

but some activists show that stat above to be:
"no women earns $200k. theres a 2000% discrepancy.. cleaners deserve a payrise to balance the numbers"
"1 man earns as much as 20 women in this workplace, but that man does not work 20x more than a woman"

.. however instead. the company should just look for a female thats trained to do the management job better than the man they hired. and replace the man..
but the the men would claim its an all women company thus no longer gender equal

The first part of what you're talking about is actually one of the reasons behind the 'wage gap' and the (I think they call it this) the 'manager gap' It's because people don't want to promote young women to manager position / higher positions because they think that they're going to get pregnant, which leaves the business with the responsibility of training another person for the position that they thought they had already filled.

Wage gap is bullshit. It's a mad up stat that's abused by people for political reasons. If both men and women did the same job and women were willing to accept 25 percent less or 10 percent less or 15 or whatever for the same work, then those GREEDY GREEDY COMPANIES that the left loves to talk about would only hire women.

FAKE NEWS.

i agree equal oppertunity.
and i agree that sometimes women who have 6 months off work(maternity) and more sickdays(due to mentruation) than a man should not be paid equally if they are not performing to the same standard as a man.

however to equal the balance men should too have equal paternaty break rather than forcing women to only have a couple months off to try to be as competitive as men.

many work places have introduced flexitime so that if a mother has to take a kid to the dentist she can make up the time later in the day. this is not gender bias by saying work from 11-7 instead of 9-5 because lil jimmy has a 9am appointment.
women have tried to say its gender bias by thinking that if they cant go home at 5pm like others they are being mistreated. without realising they didnt turn up til 11 which is the opposite of being mis-treated.

i found many times a female cleaner thinks they deserve the same pay as a man in a higher position, purely because of some gender difference.
the pay should reflect the skills, talents and labour required to perform the role and the work load results of that task.

in real estate men who sell more houses have it where women get angry they are not getting the same bonuses as men and think its a gender bias scenario. reality is a female real estate agent should try to sell an equal amount of housing if she wants equal bonus.

sometimes women dont realise that to have 6 months of maternity pay is half a years salary. and many men usually have to pay the company for extra time off for equal paternity time. so women should treat maternity as a bonus and not a 'right'

yes women have the right to have kids but when personal life impacts the business the business has the right to find a replacement.  and keeping someone on should be a bonus.
many men dont get the chance to just say to their boss they want 6 months off-full pay to have time with family

many times i have seen the gender bias try to be used to try giving women alot more bonuses, pay rises, promotions, special treatment, than men.. purely out of fear of being sued due to some sexual harassment/gender bias/ inequality accusation.

as long as no employer has a 'all boys club' that only highers men. then women do have the oppertunity. but i see no reason why a nurse should feel she deserves the same pay as a doctor. when she has only had basic training of taking a blood sample. when surgeons spend upto 10 years training

I think the question is wrong here. Men and Women should be equal, they should be equal in the workforce and in education and in so on and so forth-- meaning that they should have equal the chance. They shouldn't have an equal amount of jobs, or an equal amount of outcome -- but an EQUAL AMOUNT OF OPPORTUNITY like their counterpart (given that they've worked the same amount for it, and both 'deserve' it.)

The problem in todays society is that people confuse the terms equality of opportunity and equality of outcome.

Whoever is more qualified for a position should get it, plain and simple.

Men and Women aren't the same. It's pure science that men have the ability to be stronger then men. Women are better in different ways. That's something we should embrace, not 'fix'

sory but media wants people to think that women were 'house wives' a century. ago...
but they were not.

things like the 1970's show had 'bewitched' people to think that women were the obediant housewife while the guy had a high paying job..
yet history shows that women actually worked in bars, cafe's and were paid maids, women wrote books and worked as nannies, and prostitutes and many other things. women did make money century+ ago.

yep the middle ages had 'wenches' working in pubs and maides working in the inn above

heck while men were at war the women ran the factories in the first/second world war..
history shows women were queens, female prime ministers  on multiple ocassions... yet america still campaign that no women has ever ruled the USA so making it feel like no women has had a seat of power anywhere

.. i do agree that by pushing more woman into taking menial jobs and increasing taxes to pay for child social care while the woman works has caused an imbalance that has caused house prices and bills to rise as the notion of household spare income has increased to make businesses think they can charge more.

yep pretending the guy doesnt have to pay the wife so the guy has more cash has pulled down the competitiveness of wages and also increased the overall bills cost.. but this is all just mis-represented math due to mindsets being swayed to think its the norm

but to think that woman were just housewives for all of eternity and only suddenly allowed to work in the last 50 years.. is kinda bad 'fake news' propaganda.

This could be my wrong idea. A girl complaining of her life, say to me her mums life was more appealing.
House price gone expensive. Girls working all full time. No time for relax at home with children.

Because 2 wages house gone 2x more and worse with low interest mortgage and long term.

Some girls can be clever with a lot of help and patience just as smart as some men. It is true. Some have a nice salary. Most working supermarkets and shops. They are worse off now. They don't have time with their own children and enjoy relax go to th park, picnic, knitting and needle work. Mothers gathering and fun.

Did they fight to get equal and now it is gone bad for them and men. Now no kids people can have house each and be alone with more bills to pay each one not together.

Should we have been firm and kinder to them for the longer benefit of all?

This is not a sexism post. Girls are equal or best for their own suited tasks.
This is my honest answer. Put them back to more female natural role but how? Both need to work or debt will accrue.

Children can be suffering the parents both work long weeks