Topic: Was Satoshi from USA? (during 2009-2010) (Read 572 times)

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/satoshis-posting-times-37743


Stefan Thomas did a symilar experiment in 2011 and concluded that if Satoshi Nakamoto is a single individual with conventional sleeping habits, it suggests he resided in a region using the UTC−05:00 or UTC−06:00 time offset. This includes the parts of North America that fall within the Eastern Time Zone and Central Time Zone, as well as parts of Central America, the Caribbean and South America. It is a large and populated area.

It also gives some credibility to the theory that Hal Finney was Satoshi. I've just been researching Satoshi and stumbled onto your post.

Satoshi was also a very careful person that was very concerned about privacy so he may have deliberately posted between certain times or if he was from Japan it wouldn't have been unusual for him to be working throughout the weekends. The times he didn't post could also indicate he was working at that time. Perhaps as a University lecturer.

After his first post, in which he used American spelling, he switched to English spelling for all the rest.


I think you proved Theymos rarely sleeps.  


Are you sure ?  



 Who is Satoshi Nakamoto ? Suspects, frauds and conspiracies.

You know I have read this so many times people still think Hal Finney was Satoshi. But trust me I don't think some one on a death bed will lie. He he was diagnosed of of ALS in 2009, he knew he is going to die soon. He said this in his post too
So if he was Satoshi there was no point in hiding it anymore, so I really don't think he was Satoshi.  

Yes of course, it's just a speculation not facts. He must have been using Tor as Theymos stated, so there is no point analyzing the post timings or IPs.

Agree..
and that statistics is close a teamwork rather than a person. teamwork must have a time schedule, while a person who is into computers heavily has no sleeping schedule. so,
Satoshi Nakamoto is an account used by a person in a team.

Personally, I've always thought Hal Finney was satoshi, or very involved within the satoshi team if there ever was one, but in any case, as long as analyzing satoshi's posts in this forum in order to try to know where he is from based on the statistics, posting hours and so on... I think it's very misleading.

Consider the fact that most people that are into computers heavily, let alone someone very immersed in a revolutionary project, tend to have very fucked up sleeping schedules. This is often seen in genius people of all fields, from science, math, to music, cinema etc. People immersed in their projects often neglect their own health, and this includes your sleep. So no.. I don't think it's very accurate saying he was from the US or anywhere else because of that.

Who would have known Satoshi better than Hal Finney?

I was reading Hal's post and found this....

Looks like I have to revisit all my graphs again

Well if he was a night crawler here is UTC graph from 8AM to 7AM (0-23 actually confuses me).


https://i.imgur.com/cL1YWRe.png

Still this graph does fit to human nature....  which was my first assumption, work at day and sleep at night. Its ok night crawling works for some time but i don't think someone can make it habit for life.


Again that's i guess kind of standard we use on internet dd/mm/yyyy, so I guess this can't be a one solid proof too

Thank you, shahzadafzal.
Your idea is interesting but it will be difficult to say Satoshi was from USA only from your chart.

I found 2 old posts that said Satoshi was from UK.
These posts can be useful to grasp Satoshi's features.
【Overview】
・NO.1 Satoshi was UK nightcrawler coder from viewpoints of UTC chart and British grammar of his posts.
・NO.2 Satoshi usually used UK format date "DAY/month/year"

NO.1

NO.2

It may be wise to search useful old posts other than those above.
One more thing. Most of Japanese study British English

Hmmmm. Very interesting, but I read somewhere the he deliberately changed his sleeping patterns to mislead everyone. And the used of the headline "The Times 03/Jan/2009 Chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks" probably another way to hide his real identity/location.

I AM SATOSHI! 

I'm glad you asked, yes I did calculate the posting pattern of Satoshi based on days, but did not find it interesting. Looks like he was full time working for Bitcoin only


https://i.imgur.com/HTDlzR3.png

Well I don't think there are thousands of email. Because here I see only 18 emails of Satoshi.
If any one have access or reference please share would love to analyze those too.


Looks like we have to wait few more years, now if Satoshi had been using Tor then at least he was using one specific location (GMT Zone) for forum postings at least

It might also be that he worked outside his home, so he would not go to the forum because he was not on a secure enough computer, and it might look like he was sleeping.

Do weekend patterns indicate the same pattern during the week? He also sent thousands of emails to mailing lists. Did that pattern repeat in them?

LoL 
there is a meme

SAmsung TOSHIba NAKAmichi MOTOrola 

The world is becoming board less more and more and now the Japanese name doesn't mean that the person is exactly from Japan. There is big Japanese community in the USA, so yes, it is pretty possible that Satosi is from the US.

We are all satoshi.

1. blockchain has been studied by thousands people, is his knowledge of blockchain still a valid proof !? 

2. as I guessed 
looks like I need more reading.

btw,, like OP stated. my question is also not so serious.

but thanks.

1- when he gives valid proofs.
2- Yea, it happened before and it may happens in the future : I don't consider Wikipedia as a reliable source but it could contains some informations so take a look here https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satoshi_Nakamoto#Craig_Steven_Wright

how can we believe when someone admits himself as Satoshi ?
does it happen before ?

Some people think that Satoshi is a time traveler, or who knows, maybe it's our Theymos. 

But isn't "The Times 03/Jan/2009 Chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks." the headlines from a UK newspaper?

p2p foundation profile of satoshi was used by himself during the early days of bitcoin to announce his project. He registered with the gmx mail and claimed he was from Japan and was born on 1975.

Satoshi may be one among the members in this forum still watching us... There are never ending bed time stories which could be interesting to read, but there are no evidences to prove this.

One of the interesting events I have been waiting for in this forum....

... if that's true... but for sure you are a morning person!!!


https://talkimg.com/images/2023/09/06/mR8Kv.png


Those are the days!!! being programmer...   I can understand... I have been in such situations many times

my time zone GMT +7, your graph will still show irregular pattern but that's my forum life
someone with mobile device, sleeping problems or no real life can show evenly distributed posts weirder than mine

why not? disclosing your timezone won't get you in trouble
If I may guess, you're in GMT +5/6  

Good investigation, it seems plausible that he lived in that time zone but there are also other countries besides the United States on that GTM ZONE. Also there are considerations to do, I personally know people who go to sleep at 8PM and others who go to sleep at 03 AM so with a difference of 7 hours! I mean, statistically he/she/they was in NA but never say never.

I owe you a merit for this but I will not send it in here. After posting this comment I will go to your post history and find a good post to merit you. I am sure I will find one. The reason I am not sending the merit on this post is, it will look like I sent the merit to show my appreciations which is not the right direction to use our sMerits.

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I am not going to disclose my timezone in public however I am a night owl in general to give you clue. 11PM is kind of mid day for me  

Seems like I do spend 5/6 hours of sleep a day but my sleeping pattern is really wired. There were time I have not slept for longest 72 hours in a raw again there were time when I have slept 5 days in a raw (only toilet and snacks then again bed).

PS: I used to be a programmer.

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Update:
My believe was right. Found one posts worth sending merit and done 

You are definitely sleeping at 11PM and waking up at 6AM.

Are you sleeping for only 5/6 hours?


https://talkimg.com/images/2023/09/06/mRifb.png

Can I have one of mine please 
I would like to see my stats. I am pretty sure the pattern will be very easy to detect my sleeping habit. 

Thank you in advance shahzadafzal 

Well I will apply same rules as above, waking up at 8AM and sleeping at 10PM.

The best I can say that you are from GMT -1 Zone


https://talkimg.com/images/2023/09/06/mR9eJ.png

ohh man come on are you sleeping for two hours only? Here are my wild guesses about you

• You sleep at 10PM
• You commute between 4PM-6PM
• You use bitcointalk after dinner, from 8PM-10PM

This is your GMT +0 graph

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/09/06/mRgGC.jpeg

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See for Satoshi, I started with that he is from USA so that's why it was easy to plot. Also I had Theymos's posting pattern so I can match.
Now tell me your real time zone and I will update the the graph.

I remember reading that his earliest work was written in US English and then he switched to British English and stayed with that. All that really tells us is that he was very good at disguising his identity. Obviously choosing the times at which he posted to misdirect us about his location would be even easier.

That could be, of course, but I've always suspected that Satoshi isn't one person but a group, and probably associated with one of the American alphabet agencies, like the CIA--and I'm not even a conspiracy theorist.  When he wrote posts here his English was impeccable.  That doesn't rule out being Japanese, but I doubt he would be a native of Japan. 

I just don't know and I've stopped wondering.  Bitcoin has become bigger than the founder, and his disappearance was smart on his part--if it's a he and I don't know that it is.

And why not Canada? Mexico ? Cayman Islands ?

But now honestly, this has been discussed a thousands times and a thousands times it has ended with the same result.
This time won't be different either.

can't argue with that. I, too, believe most if not all real coders always have irregular sleeping time.
theymos should bring back user stats page, so we can see our posting patterns
well, he edited his post to add: "Edit: This is just for fun, so please don't take it literally. "

do you mind running your program on my forum posts? I wonder what kind of pattern I have.
and try guess where I am from by that pattern without reading my posts, don't cheat

No, not me but people think he's from Japan because of the name Satoshi Nakamoto. He could anywhere, he could be using VPN. But I put him in the USA.


You got me... I assumed he wasn't a stereotype developer but a normal human... after all I just speculated.

Well USA is GMT -5 to GMT -9...  I will move Satoshi around, but will keep him in in USA

With sleeping late and getting up early, you'll have to move the time approximately 3 hours.

Developers/coders are typically stereotyped of having inconsistent sleeping patterns, especially when it comes to big projects. Even though I appreciate the effort you've put into the post, and the images it's nothing more than speculation.

People assume it, because "Satoshi" is a Japanese name.

Don't know where you read that satoshi is from Japan?even if he has a Japanese's origin , he could be living in the USA right now.

Edit : removed links of images (it didn't appear rapidly)

Edit: This is just for fun, so please don't take it literally.

Hello BTCitcoin talkers... here is a thought experiment...

We know Satoshi was active on this forum in 2009 and 2010. We have all his posts here, that is from November 19, 2009 to December 13, 2010. We also have the timestamps for all his 575 posts.

Let suppose these two things

- He was human, not a bot not an alien
- He will sleep during night like all of us and active during the day

Now let say we like a normal human being, start our day at 8AM and we are awake until 10PM. We sleep at 10PM and woke up in morning 7AM.

Now using above hypothesis if I combine post timings of Satoshi can I figure out where Satoshi was located? Well I think I can... let's try

Here is the hour and number posts Satoshi made during this time:

Hour      Posts Count _____________ _____________ 08:00 AM 18 09:00 AM 45 10:00 AM 65 11:00 AM 65 12:00 PM 43 01:00 PM 42 02:00 PM 55 03:00 PM 46 04:00 PM 42 05:00 PM 32 06:00 PM 23 07:00 PM 15

Hour      Posts Count _____________ _____________ 08:00 PM 10 09:00 PM 9 10:00 PM 3 11:00 PM 3 12:00 AM 0 01:00 AM 0 02:00 AM 1 03:00 AM 0 04:00 AM 0 05:00 AM 3 06:00 AM 5 07:00 AM 14

A picture worth thousand word, so let's make a graph out of it


https://imgur.com/xx2xSka

Wow did you notice? He was sleeping from 10PM to 6AM - a well 8 hours sleep!

So can I say now, that he was from USA or at least he was in USA during 2009 - 2010?

You might ask for some proofs, so here is how I concluded this...? let see the postings pattern of Theymos.


https://imgur.com/lHDRDiK

Well clearly Theymos is not sleeping for 8 hours, but he is sleeping for 6-7 hours 1AM to 7AM at least.
Isn't the pattern matching?

For more proofs, that he was human... here is my sleeping pattern


https://imgur.com/B3OIk8b
Well I'm very bad at time management, but I also sleep 2AM - 7AM (5 hours at least)

I'm sure this will be true for majority of us... any one interested to see his/her posting pattern? Or sleeping pattern if say... let me know

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• I took Satoshi's last 539 posts instead of 575, my bad programming
• I took recent 1000 posts of Theymos from 2015 to 2018
• Bitcointalk is saving all times in GMT+0, so I did conversion to respective GMT
• No, I'm not saying Theymos is Satoshi