Topic: Was the Great Pyramid a Giant Lightening Rod? (Read 10081 times)

You watched the whole series? I couldn't stand more than a few random episodes. 

Need to go back and watch Ancient Aliens Season 1 , they went into great detail about some of the pyramids 

Spin alignment in a magnetic field? Howso?


Does not make it kinetic energy.


For an ideal gas.


I'm certainly starting to assume something but it isn't that.

Energy has the same unit (J) in all forms and thus will always be susceptible to such dimensional-analysis tricks. That doesn't mean that it all breaks down into kinetic energy.

Again, try out unit analysis.
E = mc²
E = (kg)(m/s)²
E = kg*m²/s²

Sound familiar? Force * distance

Sounds suspiciously kinetic
At the molecular level, it's just atomic and subatomic particles moving around
Again, heat is "average kinetic energy"


For the laughable purposes this thread has, we can assume energy to be kinetic.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Quantum_woo

 

lols.

These are simply different manifestations of the same one energy.


I'm speculating here (as I haven't studied pyramids extensively), but I can imagine that certain geometric configurations might have non-local effects on distribution of energy within certain regions of space (either inside of the pyramid or somewhere outside). As a result it might have certain effects on consciousness of the people within those regions of space (either inside or some place outside). The rejuvenation temple comes to mind as an example, but I'm not sure pyramids were designed for that exact purpose.

So again it's not that they were necessarily built to harvest energy per se, but more likely to focus energy in a certain way to have certain effects. And if you are tempted to ask again what kind of energy, then my answer would be "The Field Energy", the one that permeates everything and the one we are all made of. Think of it as a stem-cell energy which can take any form depending on the geometry it traverses. Even in modern particle physics scientists observe phenomena of one type of "particles" decaying into another type of "particles", so those types of energy (heat, electricity, magnetism, electromagnetism and kinetic energy) that you mentioned are not intrinsic to themselves.


The right part of my brain (a quantum part) triggered a pattern recognition scheme and highlighted that particular video as fitting for the conversation content-wise, however the left part of my brain (a sequential part) recognized the form of the presentation as way too unusual for the population of this board to conceive and advised to proceed with caution. I then made the decision to proceed with posting and study the effects it would cause, as by not doing so I would have achieved nothing. So, yes, I like to troll at times

Here is another video that shows how interconnected everything is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4mDcvOsBDY
This time it discusses several scientific experiments that are being conducted at present time and touches upon topics of non-local effects related with frequency, vibrations and energy. We are making a very good progress in this area and maybe at some point our civilization will be able to comprehend the mystery of the pyramids and their purpose.

Given that energy can be converted between forms, saying that one form is a "stored" form of another doesn't really mean that the two are identical.

Then we have photon energy, E=hf, mass-energy equivalence (E=mc^2), energy stored in electron spins (I forget that one), chemical energy, latent heat of vaporization and so on that don't really lean to a kinetic energy interpretation.

And nothing is better known than climate history of the last 10000 years... is it?
Radiometric Dating = Good
Luminiscence Dating = Much better (at least for that timeslice)
=> Pyramids are as old as the Egyptian culture and, sorry, not build by aliens or ancient ancient ancient cultures

Gobekli tepe and other very interestering sites like uratrean fortresses (Cavustepe e.g.) are very very strange places to be.. The gobekli "pillars" are one of the strangest things i have ever seen.. but hey, they are just 11kyr old.. not like this was unexpected for that region...

Generally, most/all energy is kinetic, depending on how you look at it. Heat is "average kinetic energy", motion on a very small scale. Potential energy is basically stored kinetic energy. In Newtonian physics,
Energy is a Force applied over a distance (Fd), Joules
Force is mass times acceleration (ma), Newtons
Acceleration is change in velocity divided by time (Δv/t), m/s²
Velocity is displacement over time (Δd/t), m/s
Displacement is change in position, m

So Energy, at least in the simplified Newtonian understanding, is measured in units of (kgm²/s²), and 1/2 mv² is one way of calculating it. (Try unit analysis; they're the same.)

That has units of energy but has no direct physical representation that I am aware of. The closest is kinetic energy (1/2*m*v^2). I forget how to rewrite that in terms of distance.

How about mass * acceleration * distance?

No, you're doing it wrong. You just have to believe and then you can feel smarter than all those people who devote their lives to working in labs, trying to find out how the universe works.

Care for a crystal?

According to physics there is heat, electricity, magnetism, electromagnetism and kinetic energy.

So I ask you again: Which of those are the pyramids supposed to harvest?
Oh btw: Are you trolling? That yt video seems way, way farther out than your usual posting style, can it be you brought that up just because I called you new age? 

I'm not sure I understand the question, are there different forms of energy?
There is only one form of energy I know of, the one that animates this whole thing called Universe.
The rest of it boils down to geometry.
How this energy is distributed and how it interacts with itself is defined by geometry and geometry alone.
Even what we experience as forces in physical reality is just a product of geometry of the space-time itself.

There is a good video about it, but the background setup is way too new age for many people to take it seriously...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7R-QsYMX20

I'm not saying that pyramids were built to harvest the energy, maybe they were or maybe they focused energy into the Earth or something else entirely, but I wouldn't easily let go of the idea that geometry of the pyramids wasn't coincidental.

I agree with ElectricMucus, most of this stuff just falls out of architectural necessity. With a pyramid, you basically have three dimensions, width, length and height. If you go to ratios, that only gives you two variables. So when people pull a dozen numbers out of ratios on a pyramid, you know they're working too hard.

Whilst there's no doubt that many older civilizations were more sophisticated than we give them credit for, there's also often not any particular reason to ascribe things to advanced mathematics. If I recall correctly, the slope of the pyramids is the same as that of sand allowed to fall into a pile. That doesn't require fancy engineering, merely observation and measurement.

Hehe, just like I ask this question to any new ager when bringing up the word energy I ask you this:

What form of energy are you talking about?

Yes, it might be the other way around indeed, but looking at the level of technology used to construct the pyramids it is unlikely that civilization that built them only discovered those numbers in the process of construction. It is much more likely that numbers were encoded into the shape of the pyramid, not just for the coolness of it, but because the shape with such characteristics would have certain vibrational properties and could be used as some sort of resonance device. Also placing the pyramids at certain locations on Earth hints towards that idea, as the Earth itself could be considered a larger resonance device.

There is an amateur research in present time into what is called a space-time antenna designed to tap into a field energy. You can google it and see that it consists of two self penetrating cones and there are some preliminary results showing some anomalies with certain geometric configurations and frequencies. So maybe in the same way, the shape of the pyramid was crucial for the purposes it was built.

Stopped when they showed the usual false claim of the Fibonacci spiral in a nautilus shell which is in fact a logarithmic spiral.
Of course it's not pure coincidence that the great pyramid has certain numbers in them, they appear as part of the architectural process, which the video also demonstrated. That does not mean they put those numbers in there on purpose, but rather they happened to discover them by the task of designing them.

I invite you to watch the video I just linked

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

Pyramids are much more mysterious than what meets the eye.
If you look at how nature's core numbers like Pi and Phi are encoded into it,
you would hardly think that someone would put so much effort into something that would be just a lightning rod.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpJ3yO4-Xpo#t=35m19s

Jeez, nobody watch Stargate SG1?

Feel free to pick on me. They are indeed baseless claims. There are those who believe they can channel or act as a voice for interdimensional entities and we get theories like the one I just stated.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_channelled_texts

Interesting nonetheless. I don't believe nor disbelieve. I simply observe and discuss with an open-mind.

Not to pick on you man. But these are baseless. Who said any of these things, Scientists, historians, Egyptologists? Crystal alien device... Pft.. Indeed. 

According to the Ra material--purportedly--they were a gift from a interdimensional civilization but they left once they realized we couldn't handle the technology. It was suggested that the pyramids were crystal-based devices that allowed humans to grasp the concept of absolute infinity and thus the universe and life itself. One would have to enter the center of the pyramid and be led through ritual. However, the higher echelons of the Egyptian empire kept this capability to themselves and just let the pyramids serve mainly as fancy palaces.

This would explain the use of the pyramid symbolism in finance among other things.  

Of course, this is all just religious theory.

That makes no sense whatsoever. "Hey guys let's all throw away our careers to participate in a world wide hoax!" What is with people that they could entertain such a ridiculous idea?

Nothing out of the ordinary. It's just the way it is: http://www.summitpost.org/thunderbolt-peak/150222

  for these people to build these things and expect the lightning to last for ever doesn't really stroke in intelligence. If it was a "lightning rod" it would be more likely to "collect" the lightning but why build 2.5 million stoned blocked lightning rod. I doubt if it was just a lightning rod.

And I thought the pyramids were spaceships for the Pharaoh to visit his kittens on the Moon. Hmm...

There is a theory that the pyramids were giant water pumps

What if the lightning was originally a big problem, and they thought it would go on forever so they built a thing just to attract it and dissipate the energy. Now it almost never rains there so noone cares.

I dunno about the lightning rod idea being impossible because lets face it, lightning is electricity.

I guess the trick would be finding metal that's good enough to absorb it without immediately disintegrating from a direct hit and electronics etc. being able to withstand such a massive jolt, wish I knew the figures behind it, in order for it to work though we'd probably have to discover a new metal or element of some sort

Well lightning is a rapid discharge, so no harvesting lightning isn't feasible I think.
Harvesting atmospheric electricity over time could be viable, it is said that was telsas goal but its also unclear what he really was upto during the end of his life.

So you don't think harvesting energy from lightning is possible? A giant pyramid would not be the ideal way to do this, or what is your angle? How should we try it?

Sure there is some kind of static electricity involved as you can see in this picture.

So if you follow the links you find out the pic is photoshopped. Does this change your opinion about this theory?

I still think its an interesting one. And yea zahi hawass has been holding us back from knowing whatever is under that sphinx for awhile now. Whoever replaces him may not be any better though...

That's not necessarily true.

If you watch Quest for the Lost Civilization, Graham Hancock astronomically links many monumental sites, including the Giza pyramids, back to around 12,000 years ago.

Also, there is evidence of a cover-up among Egyptologists to hide something, perhaps this link.

I was in Giza in 1976 and there was a giant lightning rod on top of the Great Pyramid.

Hieroglyphs was an egyptian plagiation of the Sumerian Cunifer writing system. Which dates them pretty accurate to between 2500-1500 BC.
The way you construct meaning in setences in Hieroglyphs is the same as in Sumerian.

In the desserts around the Giza plateau there have been found remains of primitive settlements and normadic tribes which dates back maybe 12.000 years. The climate was wetter then there were swamps and freshwater crocks, but they had nothing to do with the egyptians and they didn't build anything in stone.

I don't know the sphinx is thought to be many thousands of years older thought. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_M._Schoch

http://articles.latimes.com/1991-10-23/news/mn-183_1_great-sphinxthis article also mentions john anthony west who is a friend of gerald celente gerald celente knows what he talks about and is not afraid to say it that gerald cellente calls john anthony west a very good friend of his should really give him quite a bit of trust worthiness  as a starter.
These people are propositioning that the sphinx is at least twice as old as currently accepted. Researcher of old and possibly lost civilizations  graham hancock expects it is more likely made after the last ice age 14.000 thousand years ago.
 
The estimation of the age of the sphinx are based on erosions by rain. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Anthony_West


The religious settlement Gobekli tepe has been carbon dated to a incredible 11000 years old.

http://jason.bennee.com/blog/2010/08/pyramid-lightening/