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November 28, 2019, 09:58:58 AM
#40


*** The easiest-to-understand analogy I can give on how PPLNS works is how some employers used to withhold your first paycheck; however, even after you quit, you still get yet another paycheck--except with PPLNS, they would average how much you worked over the past five (5) weeks, for example. This is why the initial ramp-up scares miners into thinking they're not getting/losing part of their payout. It's just because they're probably still in the first 100% of the 500% look-back period and don't understand that even if they were to stop mining right then and there that they will still continue to get that same 1/5 payout for however many more blocks the pool finds over the next 400% (e.g. Four (4) more blocks = the remaining 4/5 of your reward).

Lastly, Kano is expecting to complete the accounting code and pay out dust by the end of this year. I'm sure the BTC is safe and sound until the time comes to pay it out. I wouldn't mine there if I didn't trust Kano.

Sincerely,
A Kano Shill

Grin

PPLNS is a scam since mining is diminishing returns.   The value of your hash power is lower when you are leaving a PPLNS pool than when you joined.  An extreme example would be you started in 2013 and then left 5 years later, you would of probably gave up a few BTC ramping up and then get junk after you left.

Anyway, did he ever write that dust giving code now that they don't find any blocks?  He could say it is live now since no way to prove if it is or not running.

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September 15, 2018, 07:47:01 PM
#39
I've got a question for everyone here.

So let's say i have 17 S9's

And i don't want to waste their energy building up 5n. So i put one of those miners there. That miner goes through the 5n period.

Once i get to fully payment per hash, i put the other 16 units there.

Have i lost anything in this process? Do the other 16 units now have to go through 5n too?

Thanks!
The only way to 'lose' any shares/shifts on Kano's pool is if a block takes over 500% since the PPLNS is set to 5Nd (i.e. 5x the current network difficulty). In that specific case, any shares submitted prior to the current 5Nd will not be considered in the look-back period for anyone's portion of the new block reward. Exponentially more frequent, though, is the case that your shifts are being rewarded over and above 100%--something impossible with PPS pools (barring the interesting claim of Antpoo's 0% fee plus a 16% bonus).

And, just for the record, I started mining at KanoPool in January 2018 with an Avalon 6 (3.6TH/s), and I've been over the 0.00010000 BTC dust threshold since my very first reward. The first one was super close, but it was paid out just the same.

Finally, to answer your--and probably others'--question about ramping up to your miners' advertized hashrate: all hashrate--added all at once or increased over time--must ramp up over a full 5Nd until it 'feels' like you're instantly getting the full reward for your portion of the work. I say 'feels' since--assuming luck stays at 100%--you'll always get paid 5/5ths of your total work, but if you're still ramping up, you'll get 1/5 now and 4/5 later; 2/5 now and 3/5 later; etc.

*** The easiest-to-understand analogy I can give on how PPLNS works is how some employers used to withhold your first paycheck; however, even after you quit, you still get yet another paycheck--except with PPLNS, they would average how much you worked over the past five (5) weeks, for example. This is why the initial ramp-up scares miners into thinking they're not getting/losing part of their payout. It's just because they're probably still in the first 100% of the 500% look-back period and don't understand that even if they were to stop mining right then and there that they will still continue to get that same 1/5 payout for however many more blocks the pool finds over the next 400% (e.g. Four (4) more blocks = the remaining 4/5 of your reward).

Lastly, Kano is expecting to complete the accounting code and pay out dust by the end of this year. I'm sure the BTC is safe and sound until the time comes to pay it out. I wouldn't mine there if I didn't trust Kano.

Sincerely,
A Kano Shill

Grin
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March 17, 2018, 12:47:16 PM
#38
I've got a question for everyone here.

So let's say i have 17 S9's

And i don't want to waste their energy building up 5n. So i put one of those miners there. That miner goes through the 5n period.

Once i get to fully payment per hash, i put the other 16 units there.

Have i lost anything in this process? Do the other 16 units now have to go through 5n too?

Thanks!
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January 17, 2018, 05:32:17 PM
#37
Wow, glad i came across this. Was just about to add my couple measly TH/s to kano's... Any advice for someone looking for lowest fee's possible, with lowest minimum auto withdrawals. I have been at btc.com since they have .001 minimum auto withdrawals... Was gonna try viabtc but they have .01?! (am I missing something)? 

Are those of us with little HS/s stuck with mining bch unless they want their funds tied up on the pools site for weeks? I get that the fee's are crazy but Im fine with .001 btc as a min. What other pools do .001 (or lless free auto withdrawals, hopefully with lowest fee's possible..
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January 06, 2018, 01:14:27 PM
#36
1) how do you contact KANO?
2) None of my last 3 payments have shown on my blockchain
3) 3 Payments from December 25th to 29th. it is now January 6th and they still do not show up. Kano states payment sent 12 days ago but the blockchain states not sent.
ANY HELP .. Kano does not seem to have any help. 
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December 10, 2017, 02:09:09 PM
#35
to get a dust payment its got to be less then .0001 

and to this MORON that keeps insisting kano ever ran off with any ones money.  YOU ARE EITHER mentally retarded or you are really really high and should consider laying off the crack or what ever it is that has your head so messed up and so full of complete utter crap.

 "When a pool operator has run off with $68,000+ USD of their miner's money, someone needs to shine a light on that.  Frankly, I'm amazed it's taken this long for someone to get the pitchforks and torches.  Three years?!?"

If he ran off with any of that money then how come its all accounted for and never been moved out of the wallet???



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September 17, 2017, 05:28:55 AM
#34
I am trying to find out what the exact payment threshold and what is considered "dust" amounts.

Thanks

Dust is anything below 1000 satori, and as you ramp up it basically happens once.
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September 08, 2017, 01:06:22 AM
#33
guys....can someone help a newbie with a question about kano pool.  Just started mining about two days ago, but I heard that Kano won't ever pay you if your rewards are below .001, and/or also you have to wait 5 days before a payout??  I put a screenshot of what it's showing for a reward payout below, if someone can help me out with this, sure would appreciate this....if this is true, guess I'm just wasting electricity and hash power here....??

https://imgur.com/a/4nIJG

The first block is dust, but else you get paid for, not wasting your electricity Smiley
Check the block page, when a block confirms payment is sent with the next found block on pool. You'll notice the next payments ramp up too.
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September 07, 2017, 06:59:01 PM
#32
guys....can someone help a newbie with a question about kano pool.  Just started mining about two days ago, but I heard that Kano won't ever pay you if your rewards are below .001, and/or also you have to wait 5 days before a payout??  I put a screenshot of what it's showing for a reward payout below, if someone can help me out with this, sure would appreciate this....if this is true, guess I'm just wasting electricity and hash power here....??

https://imgur.com/a/4nIJG
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August 15, 2017, 05:48:27 PM
#31
From what I found about the first small payments going to an Jaxx wallet I could not transfer 0.007 btc to another wallet because fee became too high with all small incomings. Lesson learned, stick to core, but anyhow, I'm more than happy the dust is at kano rather than going to tx fees. I hope to get them paid out in about 10 years time Smiley


I just got my first S9 days ago, I'll tell you one thing; The sound of money is incredible Smiley
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August 15, 2017, 12:51:12 PM
#30

and here are all my blocks I earned a dust payment amount and have not been paid to me yet last I checked its about 12-15 cents worth in all.


As I said in an earlier post, if you have a high capacity mining setup, your rates are significantly lower than miners with less hardware.

Also, the low rates that you enjoy are subsidized by the high rates that people like me pay.  12-15 cents for you, $2.00+ for me.  And that's just from 24 hours of mining.

Basically, Kano is buying you off with my money.  Anyone with a shred of decency would find this absolutely unacceptable.
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August 15, 2017, 09:56:33 AM
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I haven't mined there for a while but I decided to go look at my payments page and see how much dust I had collecting out there...turned out to be 95 payments worth... 0.00196058 or about $6.50. I'm surprised he still hasn't paid out the dust to the users after all this time, especially given the substantial increase in value.


Do you mind if I ask your total actual payments from using Kano pool?  I'm trying to figure out the percentage of those payments the unpaid amount represents.  Also, what Th/s did you mine at when at his pool?  Thanks.


I know it was some one else you asked but for what its worth I can show my earnings and payouts.

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Mining Rewards
The rewards you've earned for each block the pool has found. Total: 3.05923525 BTC
See the Payments page for the payments you've been sent.

Block   Block UTC   Miner Reward   N Diff   N Range   Pool N Avg   Your %   Your N Diff   Your N Avg   Your BTC
480516   14/Aug 17:38   14.95824194   4.620T   65hr 10m 32s   84.57PHs   0.05%   2.230G   40.83THs   0.00722083
480096   11/Aug 15:17   13.98040344   4.665T   66hr 8m 55s   84.13PHs   0.05%   2.253G   40.64THs   0.00675386
480050   11/Aug 08:22   14.33619438   4.664T   66hr 44m 25s   83.37PHs   0.05%   2.275G   40.67THs   0.00699322
480004   11/Aug 00:23   14.21568218   4.670T   67hr 2m 33s   83.11PHs   0.05%   2.274G   40.47THs   0.00692291
479970   10/Aug 18:18   14.15252649   4.628T   66hr 35m 4s   82.92PHs   0.05%   2.255G   40.41THs   0.00689639
479947   10/Aug 13:23   12.78220628   4.629T   66hr 44m 25s   82.75PHs   0.05%   2.264G   40.48THs   0.00625289
479913   10/Aug 08:19   13.57937176   4.661T   67hr 22m 31s   82.53PHs   0.05%   2.287G   40.50THs   0.00666298
479844   9/Aug 19:29   13.57077254   4.669T   67hr 47m 24s   82.16PHs   0.05%   2.308G   40.62THs   0.00670849
479731   9/Aug 00:01   13.38812771   4.347T   63hr 15m 58s   81.98PHs   0.05%   2.158G   40.70THs   0.00664735
479656   8/Aug 10:40   13.04916282   4.303T   62hr 23m 26s   82.29PHs   0.05%   2.127G   40.67THs   0.00644880
479597   8/Aug 04:32   14.08123389   4.331T   62hr 59m 34s   82.02PHs   0.05%   2.157G   40.85THs   0.00701318
479596   8/Aug 03:52   13.85612080   4.338T   63hr 6m 41s   82.01PHs   0.05%   2.161G   40.86THs   0.00690319
479408   6/Aug 22:52   12.78530418   4.339T   64hr 5m 16s   80.77PHs   0.05%   2.190G   40.77THs   0.00645391
479404   6/Aug 22:19   12.48898255   4.302T   63hr 32m 56s   80.77PHs   0.05%   2.172G   40.77THs   0.00630438
479358   6/Aug 15:57   13.69068976   4.314T   64hr 5m 48s   80.30PHs   0.05%   2.186G   40.69THs   0.00693788
479326   6/Aug 10:05   12.75024466   4.333T   64hr 53m 31s   79.66PHs   0.05%   2.213G   40.68THs   0.00651110
479296   6/Aug 03:43   12.51150890   4.343T   65hr 16m 54s   79.37PHs   0.05%   2.223G   40.63THs   0.00640569
479131   5/Aug 04:35   13.71420793   4.328T   65hr 41m 51s   78.60PHs   0.05%   2.236G   40.60THs   0.00708461
479080   4/Aug 21:29   12.86147335   4.351T   66hr 3m 28s   78.59PHs   0.05%   2.252G   40.67THs   0.00665563
478946   4/Aug 04:19   12.89772620   4.339T   66hr 10m 32s   78.22PHs   0.05%   2.258G   40.71THs   0.00671211
478860   3/Aug 13:52   12.92849726   4.321T   65hr 46m 19s   78.38PHs   0.05%   2.248G   40.77THs   0.00672486
478837   3/Aug 09:37   12.52134203   4.315T   65hr 41m 56s   78.36PHs   0.05%   2.241G   40.70THs   0.00650331
478648   2/Aug 03:26   12.68725324   4.348T   66hr 9m 17s   78.41PHs   0.05%   2.247G   40.53THs   0.00655716
478295   30/Jul 17:36   12.83099799   4.347T   64hr 51m 40s   79.95PHs   0.05%   2.224G   40.91THs   0.00656468
478261   30/Jul 13:18   14.10731289   4.331T   64hr 39m 35s   79.92PHs   0.05%   2.220G   40.96THs   0.00723088
478254   30/Jul 11:12   13.09550999   4.350T   64hr 58m 32s   79.87PHs   0.05%   2.231G   40.96THs   0.00671533
478087   29/Jul 07:45   13.65975557   4.322T   65hr 26m 20s   78.80PHs   0.05%   2.243G   40.90THs   0.00709058
478076   29/Jul 05:58   12.90683694   4.308T   65hr 19m 38s   78.67PHs   0.05%   2.237G   40.86THs   0.00670328
477908   28/Jul 04:35   13.42797866   4.354T   66hr 42m 57s   77.86PHs   0.05%   2.282G   40.81THs   0.00703855
477832   27/Jul 17:23   13.41457610   4.319T   66hr 41m 20s   77.27PHs   0.05%   2.274G   40.69THs   0.00706328
477688   26/Jul 19:21   13.52997423   4.036T   63hr 1m 51s   76.40PHs   0.05%   2.151G   40.72THs   0.00721228
477623   26/Jul 06:48   12.85811469   4.045T   63hr 9m 45s   76.41PHs   0.05%   2.145G   40.52THs   0.00681913
477607   26/Jul 04:11   13.76348949   4.033T   62hr 55m 25s   76.47PHs   0.05%   2.133G   40.45THs   0.00728038
477563   25/Jul 21:58   12.99578577   4.033T   62hr 53m 47s   76.51PHs   0.05%   2.130G   40.41THs   0.00686330
477525   25/Jul 14:43   12.70728822   4.076T   63hr 39m 9s   76.39PHs   0.05%   2.157G   40.44THs   0.00672689
477497   25/Jul 11:22   13.09717727   4.068T   63hr 36m 13s   76.31PHs   0.05%   2.155G   40.42THs   0.00693658
477471   25/Jul 06:34   13.07512196   4.027T   62hr 54m 7s   76.38PHs   0.05%   2.133G   40.45THs   0.00692518
477443   25/Jul 02:08   12.88246964   4.077T   63hr 24m 18s   76.71PHs   0.05%   2.148G   40.42THs   0.00678809
477428   24/Jul 23:32   13.97718382   4.067T   63hr 11m 12s   76.80PHs   0.05%   2.143G   40.46THs   0.00736289
477328   24/Jul 10:26   14.24397824   4.047T   62hr 53m 31s   76.78PHs   0.05%   2.128G   40.36THs   0.00748735
477223   23/Jul 19:20   13.25355077   4.071T   63hr 26m 6s   76.57PHs   0.05%   2.149G   40.42THs   0.00699601
477178   23/Jul 13:15   12.66020929   4.029T   63hr 17m 2s   75.96PHs   0.05%   2.165G   40.81THs   0.00680147
477090   23/Jul 00:34   13.06664197   4.066T   64hr 15m 34s   75.49PHs   0.05%   2.205G   40.93THs   0.00708426
476915   21/Jul 23:16   14.43060520   4.044T   64hr 43m 57s   74.52PHs   0.06%   2.225G   41.01THs   0.00794120
476772   21/Jul 01:29   13.42598477   4.032T   65hr 1m 43s   73.97PHs   0.06%   2.235G   41.00THs   0.00744305
476729   20/Jul 17:00   14.17413647   4.028T   64hr 59m 47s   73.93PHs   0.06%   2.232G   40.97THs   0.00785503
476607   20/Jul 00:10   12.81402985   4.045T   65hr 23m 50s   73.80PHs   0.06%   2.241G   40.88THs   0.00709850
476505   19/Jul 09:28   13.78070881   4.054T   65hr 24m 35s   73.95PHs   0.06%   2.241G   40.87THs   0.00761706
476446   18/Jul 23:06   13.43585796   4.038T   64hr 46m 23s   74.38PHs   0.05%   2.218G   40.84THs   0.00737844
476368   18/Jul 10:58   12.63079624   4.047T   64hr 51m 3s   74.45PHs   0.05%   2.220G   40.84THs   0.00692842
476342   18/Jul 07:40   14.81025038   4.052T   64hr 49m 29s   74.58PHs   0.05%   2.217G   40.81THs   0.00810416
476303   18/Jul 02:25   12.77438675   4.046T   64hr 34m 57s   74.74PHs   0.05%   2.188G   40.41THs   0.00690681
476291   18/Jul 00:01   13.89800993   4.059T   64hr 41m 16s   74.86PHs   0.05%   2.192G   40.43THs   0.00750604
476266   17/Jul 19:45   12.91978805   4.069T   64hr 37m 51s   75.11PHs   0.05%   2.190G   40.42THs   0.00695249
476199   17/Jul 09:15   14.27630657   4.027T   64hr 5m 51s   74.96PHs   0.05%   2.170G   40.40THs   0.00769415
476140   16/Jul 23:21   12.48886913   4.028T   63hr 58m 42s   75.10PHs   0.05%   2.170G   40.46THs   0.00672777
476119   16/Jul 20:49   12.93310888   4.025T   63hr 55m 51s   75.12PHs   0.05%   2.166G   40.41THs   0.00695789
476071   16/Jul 12:45   14.01941902   4.035T   64hr 15m 12s   74.93PHs   0.05%   2.173G   40.35THs   0.00755081
475948   15/Jul 18:52   14.50765236   4.071T   64hr 29m 40s   75.31PHs   0.05%   2.180G   40.33THs   0.00776867
475718   14/Jul 00:48   14.72268562   3.546T   55hr 35m 59s   76.08PHs   0.05%   1.888G   40.52THs   0.00784080
475655   13/Jul 13:49   12.58424227   3.561T   55hr 34m 16s   76.44PHs   0.05%   1.890G   40.58THs   0.00668115
475612   13/Jul 08:10   12.86112093   3.567T   55hr 37m 6s   76.51PHs   0.05%   1.893G   40.60THs   0.00682514
475570   13/Jul 02:23   12.48966088   3.570T   55hr 32m 18s   76.68PHs   0.05%   1.888G   40.57THs   0.00660754
475519   12/Jul 19:16   14.69088661   3.596T   55hr 42m 26s   77.02PHs   0.05%   1.891G   40.51THs   0.00772658
475516   12/Jul 19:02   15.23951717   3.582T   55hr 29m 14s   77.02PHs   0.05%   1.884G   40.51THs   0.00801607
475497   12/Jul 15:35   12.82198379   3.565T   55hr 13m 4s   77.02PHs   0.05%   1.873G   40.46THs   0.00673571
475260   11/Jul 07:27   13.94711905   3.559T   54hr 52m 28s   77.38PHs   0.05%   1.899G   41.28THs   0.00744050
475063   10/Jul 05:53   13.49588218   3.572T   54hr 44m 32s   77.84PHs   0.06%   1.978G   43.10THs   0.00747300
474969   9/Jul 16:01   13.44212053   3.600T   54hr 48m 35s   78.35PHs   0.06%   2.024G   44.07THs   0.00756019
474893   9/Jul 03:26   13.01140106   3.568T   54hr 13m 52s   78.49PHs   0.06%   2.015G   44.32THs   0.00734708
474875   9/Jul 00:34   13.88066964   3.550T   53hr 54m 51s   78.56PHs   0.06%   2.004G   44.34THs   0.00783343
474700   7/Jul 22:18   13.49030191   3.571T   54hr 54m 35s   77.59PHs   0.06%   2.046G   44.45THs   0.00772790
474619   7/Jul 10:32   14.56847002   3.593T   55hr 36m 41s   77.08PHs   0.06%   2.070G   44.41THs   0.00839385
474614   7/Jul 09:12   13.65056444   3.579T   55hr 27m 31s   77.00PHs   0.06%   2.060G   44.32THs   0.00785651
474537   6/Jul 18:40   13.75445647   3.557T   55hr 2m 21s   77.09PHs   0.06%   2.045G   44.32THs   0.00790684
474512   6/Jul 15:12   15.73804265   3.546T   54hr 51m 13s   77.13PHs   0.06%   2.034G   44.24THs   0.00902620
474290   5/Jul 02:55   13.88697492   3.558T   54hr 59m 47s   77.19PHs   0.06%   2.011G   43.62THs   0.00784792
474278   5/Jul 00:55   13.17357837   3.585T   55hr 25m 8s   77.18PHs   0.06%   2.020G   43.50THs   0.00742399
474115   4/Jul 00:02   13.41344192   3.587T   55hr 27m 11s   77.17PHs   0.06%   2.006G   43.16THs   0.00750145
474059   3/Jul 16:57   15.48578931   3.584T   55hr 0m 52s   77.71PHs   0.05%   1.941G   42.10THs   0.00838975
473834   2/Jul 10:09   12.72198577   3.567T   53hr 59m 58s   78.81PHs   0.06%   1.983G   43.82THs   0.00707395
473829   2/Jul 09:41   13.50909934   3.591T   54hr 21m 46s   78.81PHs   0.06%   1.998G   43.85THs   0.00751638
473697   1/Jul 15:46   15.91468111   3.572T   53hr 52m 26s   79.10PHs   0.06%   2.038G   45.13THs   0.00908149
473597   1/Jul 00:56   14.56136655   3.600T   55hr 5m 36s   77.96PHs   0.06%   2.116G   45.82THs   0.00855928
473595   1/Jul 00:38   15.18796322   3.580T   54hr 47m 10s   77.95PHs   0.06%   2.104G   45.83THs   0.00892856
473546   30/Jun 18:09   16.34329421   3.585T   55hr 2m 46s   77.69PHs   0.06%   2.113G   45.80THs   0.00963506
473545   30/Jun 17:28   16.18707484   3.593T   55hr 10m 59s   77.69PHs   0.06%   2.119G   45.81THs   0.00954486
473498   30/Jun 10:36   15.62921731   3.600T   55hr 23m 5s   77.54PHs   0.06%   2.133G   45.94THs   0.00926015
473438   29/Jun 23:59   15.09510385   3.588T   55hr 33m 0s   77.07PHs   0.06%   2.147G   46.11THs   0.00903039
473373   29/Jun 10:49   14.67018978   3.566T   55hr 42m 44s   76.37PHs   0.06%   2.153G   46.10THs   0.00885592
473298   28/Jun 21:31   15.26727230   3.564T   55hr 37m 58s   76.43PHs   0.06%   2.151G   46.13THs   0.00921515
473244   28/Jun 12:50   15.96272699   3.601T   55hr 58m 32s   76.75PHs   0.06%   2.163G   46.11THs   0.00958933
473200   28/Jun 06:11   12.62981154   3.594T   55hr 58m 53s   76.58PHs   0.06%   2.162G   46.07THs   0.00759842
473189   28/Jun 04:32   15.66500740   3.599T   56hr 1m 23s   76.64PHs   0.06%   2.163G   46.06THs   0.00941481
473080   27/Jun 09:53   13.43661654   3.565T   54hr 41m 18s   77.77PHs   0.06%   2.110G   46.03THs   0.00795246
472795   25/Jun 05:35   14.83902463   3.592T   54hr 32m 24s   78.57PHs   0.06%   2.112G   46.20THs   0.00872588
472722   24/Jun 18:11   14.39766652   3.612T   54hr 44m 22s   78.72PHs   0.06%   2.122G   46.25THs   0.00846010
472579   23/Jun 17:45   15.11853570   3.563T   54hr 51m 26s   77.50PHs   0.06%   2.127G   46.26THs   0.00902557
472576   23/Jun 17:14   15.70286288   3.580T   55hr 9m 58s   77.43PHs   0.06%   2.138G   46.24THs   0.00937779
472573   23/Jun 16:45   12.50787711   3.578T   55hr 9m 47s   77.38PHs   0.06%   2.138G   46.24THs   0.00747426
472507   23/Jun 07:11   16.54483738   3.576T   55hr 56m 1s   76.29PHs   0.06%   2.172G   46.34THs   0.01004956
472449   22/Jun 23:02   16.23912927   3.600T   56hr 55m 40s   75.45PHs   0.06%   2.212G   46.37THs   0.00997992
472427   22/Jun 19:01   14.71620072   3.596T   56hr 57m 29s   75.32PHs   0.06%   2.211G   46.32THs   0.00904922
472403   22/Jun 16:21   15.62288105   3.592T   56hr 57m 35s   75.23PHs   0.06%   2.210G   46.29THs   0.00961353
472311   21/Jun 22:56   16.32068861   3.590T   57hr 2m 34s   75.09PHs   0.06%   2.195G   45.90THs   0.00997634
472239   21/Jun 10:04   15.33235451   3.561T   55hr 50m 48s   76.06PHs   0.06%   2.146G   45.84THs   0.00923960
472222   21/Jun 07:07   15.98911345   3.595T   56hr 14m 59s   76.26PHs   0.06%   2.159G   45.80THs   0.00960335
472159   20/Jun 19:57   15.47520658   3.570T   55hr 1m 43s   77.40PHs   0.06%   2.106G   45.66THs   0.00912963
472091   20/Jun 08:23   15.09099453   3.569T   54hr 20m 12s   78.36PHs   0.06%   2.081G   45.68THs   0.00879762
472085   20/Jun 07:23   16.34143686   3.589T   54hr 37m 31s   78.38PHs   0.06%   2.092G   45.69THs   0.00952568
472065   20/Jun 03:47   13.20651266   3.587T   54hr 32m 10s   78.47PHs   0.06%   2.090G   45.71THs   0.00769302
471985   19/Jun 16:47   15.77546423   3.596T   55hr 33m 23s   77.22PHs   0.06%   2.133G   45.81THs   0.00935807
471764   18/Jun 02:03   14.79519013   3.561T   58hr 13m 46s   72.95PHs   0.06%   2.248G   46.05THs   0.00933905
471755   18/Jun 00:45   13.31425773   3.577T   58hr 31m 37s   72.92PHs   0.06%   2.260G   46.07THs   0.00841063
471729   17/Jun 20:25   15.22961601   3.401T   55hr 53m 15s   72.60PHs   0.06%   2.157G   46.05THs   0.00966009
471695   17/Jun 14:39   15.91212705   3.394T   55hr 53m 2s   72.46PHs   0.06%   2.156G   46.03THs   0.01010797
471642   17/Jun 06:46   14.10795190   3.400T   54hr 38m 11s   74.25PHs   0.06%   2.108G   46.04THs   0.00874808
471582   16/Jun 19:46   15.01004434   3.420T   54hr 9m 52s   75.33PHs   0.06%   2.095G   46.14THs   0.00919367
471542   16/Jun 13:38   15.61088754   3.420T   53hr 51m 30s   75.76PHs   0.06%   2.084G   46.17THs   0.00951224
471541   16/Jun 13:24   15.76231441   3.406T   53hr 37m 47s   75.77PHs   0.06%   2.075G   46.16THs   0.00960198
471517   16/Jun 10:00   12.76493648   3.407T   53hr 25m 30s   76.08PHs   0.06%   2.065G   46.12THs   0.00773813
471411   15/Jun 17:02   14.45785648   3.426T   52hr 36m 18s   77.70PHs   0.06%   2.033G   46.12THs   0.00858075
471378   15/Jun 11:41   14.08982420   3.395T   52hr 13m 56s   77.54PHs   0.06%   2.019G   46.11THs   0.00837933
471244   14/Jun 14:07   15.57160379   3.417T   52hr 23m 14s   77.82PHs   0.06%   2.018G   45.95THs   0.00919530
471175   14/Jun 02:02   14.14829415   3.405T   53hr 14m 36s   76.29PHs   0.06%   2.014G   45.13THs   0.00836888
471092   13/Jun 13:47   16.46228944   3.397T   55hr 0m 25s   73.67PHs   0.06%   2.057G   44.62THs   0.00997029
470990   12/Jun 17:19   15.63242853   3.439T   56hr 29m 42s   72.63PHs   0.06%   2.099G   44.33THs   0.00954256
470976   12/Jun 16:00   12.42777044   3.408T   56hr 0m 6s   72.61PHs   0.06%   2.081G   44.34THs   0.00758922
470711   10/Jun 20:41   14.10551198   3.438T   55hr 19m 3s   74.16PHs   0.06%   2.103G   45.36THs   0.00862799
470705   10/Jun 19:48   15.27001584   3.432T   55hr 14m 53s   74.12PHs   0.06%   2.102G   45.38THs   0.00934951
470641   10/Jun 10:57   12.55056588   3.414T   55hr 9m 11s   73.86PHs   0.06%   2.094G   45.29THs   0.00769678
470578   9/Jun 22:48   13.31460967   3.440T   56hr 45m 53s   72.30PHs   0.06%   2.134G   44.85THs   0.00826040
470477   9/Jun 06:33   13.98379608   3.411T   56hr 57m 35s   71.44PHs   0.06%   2.124G   44.50THs   0.00870986
470354   8/Jun 11:45   15.52788192   3.435T   57hr 58m 37s   70.69PHs   0.06%   2.159G   44.42THs   0.00975807
470350   8/Jun 10:50   16.73105183   3.429T   57hr 52m 41s   70.68PHs   0.06%   2.156G   44.44THs   0.01052018
470347   8/Jun 10:19   14.81445107   3.398T   57hr 22m 17s   70.66PHs   0.06%   2.137G   44.45THs   0.00931899
470214   7/Jun 15:21   16.17658200   3.433T   57hr 42m 23s   70.97PHs   0.06%   2.137G   44.19THs   0.01007272
470113   7/Jun 00:51   16.00819936   3.435T   58hr 22m 2s   70.22PHs   0.06%   2.187G   44.71THs   0.01019273
470070   6/Jun 17:26   16.46515268   3.394T   57hr 37m 14s   70.27PHs   0.06%   2.166G   44.84THs   0.01050615
469934   5/Jun 21:40   16.02004841   3.399T   57hr 48m 34s   70.15PHs   0.06%   2.193G   45.27THs   0.01033748
469917   5/Jun 18:30   15.62303570   3.402T   57hr 53m 27s   70.12PHs   0.06%   2.200G   45.34THs   0.01010287
469815   5/Jun 04:01   16.02085999   3.397T   57hr 32m 10s   70.44PHs   0.06%   2.175G   45.10THs   0.01025682
469777   4/Jun 22:36   16.01196450   3.395T   57hr 11m 13s   70.83PHs   0.06%   2.100G   43.81THs   0.00990507
469671   4/Jun 07:49   13.69209169   2.989T   50hr 12m 22s   71.03PHs   0.06%   1.832G   43.53THs   0.00839075
469617   3/Jun 21:24   12.65574574   2.991T   50hr 9m 30s   71.13PHs   0.06%   1.834G   43.62THs   0.00776077
469576   3/Jun 16:57   15.90981030   3.022T   50hr 35m 16s   71.27PHs   0.06%   1.852G   43.67THs   0.00974800
469479   3/Jun 04:33   16.19839702   3.021T   50hr 35m 58s   71.23PHs   0.06%   1.858G   43.80THs   0.00995963
469469   3/Jun 03:26   15.83961619   3.001T   50hr 16m 18s   71.21PHs   0.06%   1.842G   43.72THs   0.00972318
469465   3/Jun 02:46   15.27281806   3.008T   50hr 25m 51s   71.17PHs   0.06%   1.848G   43.73THs   0.00938454
469409   2/Jun 18:29   15.91259686   2.980T   50hr 59m 20s   69.72PHs   0.06%   1.910G   44.69THs   0.01020061
469393   2/Jun 16:02   15.01597032   3.009T   52hr 21m 35s   68.56PHs   0.07%   2.021G   46.05THs   0.01008720
469387   2/Jun 15:26   15.56282971   3.007T   52hr 33m 29s   68.26PHs   0.07%   2.028G   46.03THs   0.01049324
469368   2/Jun 12:34   16.57871923   3.000T   53hr 2m 4s   67.50PHs   0.07%   2.045G   46.01THs   0.01130089
469344   2/Jun 09:07   16.50675855   2.989T   52hr 55m 42s   67.38PHs   0.07%   2.039G   45.97THs   0.01126179
469326   2/Jun 06:07   16.60973038   3.002T   53hr 11m 7s   67.34PHs   0.07%   2.043G   45.83THs   0.01130389
469316   2/Jun 04:48   14.94270453   3.019T   53hr 30m 27s   67.32PHs   0.07%   2.054G   45.80THs   0.01016583
469162   1/Jun 05:18   16.15677200   3.019T   54hr 22m 18s   66.25PHs   0.07%   2.080G   45.65THs   0.01113366
469120   31/May 23:30   15.98913054   3.008T   54hr 25m 31s   65.95PHs   0.07%   2.074G   45.46THs   0.01102254
469058   31/May 14:40   16.01050428   3.022T   53hr 49m 17s   66.99PHs   0.07%   2.051G   45.47THs   0.01086610
468934   30/May 20:50   15.79122346   3.004T   51hr 41m 54s   69.32PHs   0.07%   1.982G   45.74THs   0.01042001
468898   30/May 16:19   15.46464185   2.987T   51hr 21m 8s   69.40PHs   0.07%   1.974G   45.86THs   0.01021880
468782   30/May 00:20   16.05447058   3.020T   51hr 56m 54s   69.36PHs   0.06%   1.963G   45.07THs   0.01043240
468716   29/May 16:16   15.52461979   2.980T   51hr 4m 51s   69.61PHs   0.06%   1.935G   45.18THs   0.01007770
468686   29/May 11:40   15.89094976   2.999T   51hr 27m 44s   69.52PHs   0.07%   1.950G   45.21THs   0.01033441
468544   28/May 12:09   14.80839422   2.991T   51hr 32m 4s   69.25PHs   0.07%   1.947G   45.07THs   0.00963696
468478   28/May 01:49   14.35730357   2.997T   51hr 11m 33s   69.84PHs   0.07%   1.955G   45.56THs   0.00936530
468471   28/May 00:50   14.37127643   2.989T   51hr 2m 16s   69.88PHs   0.07%   1.949G   45.56THs   0.00936902
468463   28/May 00:01   14.42089842   2.995T   51hr 5m 13s   69.94PHs   0.07%   1.951G   45.55THs   0.00939251
468457   27/May 23:41   15.23122497   3.028T   51hr 34m 42s   70.05PHs   0.07%   1.969G   45.54THs   0.00990309
468451   27/May 22:58   15.37056860   2.987T   50hr 52m 22s   70.05PHs   0.07%   1.942G   45.53THs   0.00999175
468446   27/May 22:20   15.95060294   2.999T   51hr 3m 43s   70.08PHs   0.06%   1.948G   45.51THs   0.01035815
468429   27/May 20:23   15.79270666   2.987T   50hr 45m 8s   70.21PHs   0.06%   1.936G   45.51THs   0.01023555
468307   27/May 01:27   15.82256573   2.986T   50hr 2m 15s   71.19PHs   0.06%   1.913G   45.62THs   0.01013823
468284   26/May 22:17   15.23712210   2.992T   50hr 13m 25s   71.07PHs   0.06%   1.901G   45.16THs   0.00968190
468207   26/May 10:45   15.24495909   2.994T   50hr 18m 23s   71.00PHs   0.06%   1.856G   44.01THs   0.00944912
468096   25/May 17:38   16.65170403   3.000T   50hr 42m 34s   70.57PHs   0.06%   1.798G   42.30THs   0.00998076
467976   24/May 23:43   15.12386617   3.001T   51hr 13m 9s   69.90PHs   0.06%   1.734G   40.38THs   0.00873654
467693   23/May 05:02   15.39673296   2.802T   47hr 49m 5s   69.90PHs   0.06%   1.612G   40.21THs   0.00885771
467679   23/May 02:52   14.86319934   2.813T   48hr 8m 39s   69.70PHs   0.06%   1.618G   40.08THs   0.00854814
467651   22/May 23:09   15.13778115   2.840T   48hr 49m 54s   69.40PHs   0.06%   1.645G   40.20THs   0.00876897
467636   22/May 20:30   15.01216315   2.823T   48hr 39m 13s   69.22PHs   0.06%   1.641G   40.24THs   0.00872826
467632   22/May 20:00   15.07166125   2.840T   48hr 59m 16s   69.17PHs   0.06%   1.653G   40.27THs   0.00877412
467610   22/May 17:34   15.27609255   2.835T   49hr 0m 52s   69.00PHs   0.06%   1.655G   40.28THs   0.00891632
467373   21/May 01:53   14.30097262   2.824T   50hr 53m 9s   66.21PHs   0.06%   1.724G   40.42THs   0.00872990
467288   20/May 13:12   14.48529568   2.801T   51hr 18m 27s   65.14PHs   0.06%   1.738G   40.42THs   0.00898910
467240   20/May 05:59   13.96127050   2.844T   52hr 32m 10s   64.58PHs   0.06%   1.809G   41.07THs   0.00887844
467098   19/May 10:08   16.71281936   2.817T   53hr 51m 22s   62.39PHs   0.07%   1.840G   40.76THs   0.01091885
467036   19/May 00:37   16.09369642   2.807T   55hr 0m 2s   60.90PHs   0.07%   1.888G   40.96THs   0.01082582
467018   18/May 20:26   15.06363345   2.827T   55hr 54m 11s   60.33PHs   0.07%   1.929G   41.16THs   0.01027729
466834   17/May 15:31   15.77559274   2.819T   57hr 31m 3s   58.47PHs   0.07%   1.900G   39.40THs   0.01063107
466826   17/May 13:40   14.19306542   2.809T   57hr 18m 19s   58.48PHs   0.07%   1.836G   38.22THs   0.00927774
466732   16/May 22:26   17.52826583   2.815T   57hr 19m 36s   58.59PHs   0.06%   1.777G   36.98THs   0.01106557
466723   16/May 21:29   15.86071049   2.810T   57hr 12m 50s   58.59PHs   0.06%   1.773G   36.96THs   0.01000566
466714   16/May 20:23   16.98771867   2.836T   57hr 45m 10s   58.59PHs   0.06%   1.792G   37.01THs   0.01073082
466705   16/May 18:25   15.36250131   2.826T   57hr 29m 24s   58.64PHs   0.06%   1.781G   36.96THs   0.00968182
466545   15/May 15:04   14.74251760   2.813T   57hr 51m 58s   57.99PHs   0.06%   1.807G   37.26THs   0.00947236
466473   15/May 04:22   14.09290124   2.829T   58hr 53m 13s   57.31PHs   0.07%   1.952G   39.55THs   0.00972631
466425   14/May 21:51   14.59835901   2.817T   59hr 9m 45s   56.81PHs   0.07%   2.021G   40.75THs   0.01047028
466322   14/May 07:16   14.04511062   2.829T   60hr 30m 15s   55.79PHs   0.07%   2.069G   40.80THs   0.01027144
466274   14/May 00:28   14.99127289   2.801T   60hr 23m 54s   55.33PHs   0.07%   2.063G   40.75THs   0.01104233
466098   12/May 20:52   14.79616463   2.814T   62hr 1m 12s   54.13PHs   0.08%   2.116G   40.70THs   0.01112314
466057   12/May 15:00   14.27670900   2.811T   61hr 58m 27s   54.11PHs   0.08%   2.119G   40.79THs   0.01076258
465993   12/May 05:43   14.79895965   2.804T   61hr 51m 45s   54.07PHs   0.08%   2.115G   40.79THs   0.01116323
465977   12/May 02:26   15.02442856   2.818T   62hr 11m 54s   54.06PHs   0.08%   2.127G   40.80THs   0.01133922
465944   11/May 20:47   15.15352119   2.824T   62hr 17m 8s   54.09PHs   0.08%   2.133G   40.86THs   0.01144597
465878   11/May 08:46   14.23274917   2.806T   61hr 48m 38s   54.17PHs   0.08%   2.117G   40.86THs   0.01073519
465869   11/May 06:21   14.46166826   2.807T   61hr 49m 40s   54.16PHs   0.08%   2.117G   40.84THs   0.01090529
465835   11/May 01:10   14.36386110   2.825T   62hr 15m 21s   54.14PHs   0.08%   2.136G   40.94THs   0.01085985
465787   10/May 19:13   14.01396435   2.837T   62hr 33m 58s   54.10PHs   0.08%   2.150G   41.00THs   0.01061875
465690   10/May 02:43   14.04483738   2.633T   58hr 15m 0s   53.92PHs   0.08%   1.999G   40.94THs   0.01066361
465664   9/May 21:42   14.18744259   2.630T   58hr 17m 15s   53.83PHs   0.08%   2.001G   40.96THs   0.01079584
465613   9/May 14:15   13.78032931   2.617T   58hr 7m 21s   53.71PHs   0.08%   1.993G   40.92THs   0.01049801
465394   8/May 07:39   13.79348277   2.618T   58hr 39m 15s   53.26PHs   0.08%   2.013G   40.94THs   0.01060271
465390   8/May 07:22   13.83896454   2.619T   58hr 39m 57s   53.25PHs   0.08%   2.013G   40.94THs   0.01063927
465318   7/May 20:26   14.33029892   2.620T   58hr 56m 41s   53.04PHs   0.08%   2.024G   40.96THs   0.01106658
465298   7/May 16:28   14.24599286   2.624T   59hr 7m 39s   52.95PHs   0.08%   2.037G   41.10THs   0.01105698
465153   6/May 19:47   14.99757184   2.617T   59hr 32m 2s   52.45PHs   0.08%   2.044G   40.96THs   0.01171072
464988   5/May 21:00   14.86217100   2.629T   59hr 57m 17s   52.31PHs   0.08%   2.024G   40.27THs   0.01144053
464951   5/May 13:57   12.60595268   2.629T   59hr 56m 37s   52.33PHs   0.08%   2.019G   40.19THs   0.00968164
464831   4/May 17:41   13.75822844   2.622T   59hr 48m 41s   52.30PHs   0.08%   2.017G   40.23THs   0.01058429
464708   3/May 23:54   14.98216760   2.641T   60hr 43m 29s   51.88PHs   0.08%   2.068G   40.63THs   0.01173131
464640   3/May 12:59   14.01301266   2.621T   60hr 48m 22s   51.42PHs   0.08%   2.072G   40.66THs   0.01107900
464595   3/May 03:15   14.27563629   2.621T   61hr 19m 30s   51.00PHs   0.08%   2.091G   40.68THs   0.01138777
464522   2/May 16:05   14.08108725   2.625T   61hr 53m 4s   50.60PHs   0.08%   2.114G   40.75THs   0.01134035
464405   1/May 22:30   14.20016388   2.638T   63hr 41m 1s   49.42PHs   0.08%   2.167G   40.60THs   0.01166429
464389   1/May 20:28   14.24235594   2.614T   63hr 17m 56s   49.27PHs   0.08%   2.155G   40.62THs   0.01174372
464338   1/May 10:23   13.06698603   2.613T   64hr 50m 1s   48.08PHs   0.08%   2.215G   40.76THs   0.01107622
464319   1/May 07:54   12.72723432   2.640T   65hr 42m 26s   47.93PHs   0.09%   2.248G   40.82THs   0.01083981
464233   30/Apr 18:24   13.81279048   2.624T   67hr 12m 25s   46.59PHs   0.09%   2.295G   40.75THs   0.01208102
464161   30/Apr 08:11   13.23083204   2.636T   69hr 34m 50s   45.20PHs   0.09%   2.378G   40.77THs   0.01193373
464057   29/Apr 15:25   13.01106328   2.622T   72hr 23m 20s   43.21PHs   0.09%   2.477G   40.82THs   0.01229191
463968   29/Apr 03:30   14.35089704   2.611T   73hr 21m 59s   42.46PHs   0.10%   2.512G   40.85THs   0.01380736
463966   29/Apr 03:07   13.57164065   2.626T   73hr 48m 18s   42.44PHs   0.10%   2.527G   40.84THs   0.01305996
463907   28/Apr 19:02   14.28300299   2.627T   74hr 29m 0s   42.08PHs   0.10%   2.550G   40.84THs   0.01386314
463802   27/Apr 23:12   13.95945588   2.615T   75hr 57m 58s   41.06PHs   0.10%   2.602G   40.87THs   0.01389422
463754   27/Apr 16:06   14.97595930   2.635T   77hr 18m 11s   40.67PHs   0.10%   2.647G   40.85THs   0.01504212
463660   26/Apr 23:47   13.81978137   2.615T   77hr 47m 31s   40.11PHs   0.10%   2.665G   40.86THs   0.01407902
463608   26/Apr 15:01   14.19369732   2.630T   79hr 0m 26s   39.72PHs   0.10%   2.705G   40.84THs   0.01459615
463502   25/Apr 22:48   12.61703676   2.618T   80hr 38m 43s   38.73PHs   0.11%   2.760G   40.83THs   0.01330363
463436   25/Apr 12:24   15.25827178   2.605T   81hr 56m 33s   37.93PHs   0.11%   2.805G   40.85THs   0.01643000
463317   24/Apr 13:21   13.71364620   2.605T   85hr 28m 30s   36.37PHs   0.11%   2.926G   40.85THs   0.01540297
463271   24/Apr 04:57   13.87626322   2.622T   87hr 2m 6s   35.94PHs   0.11%   2.981G   40.87THs   0.01577634
463233   23/Apr 23:32   14.09956924   2.619T   87hr 30m 16s   35.71PHs   0.11%   2.997G   40.86THs   0.01613179
463197   23/Apr 18:00   12.50418238   2.610T   87hr 47m 21s   35.47PHs   0.12%   3.004G   40.82THs   0.01438810
463196   23/Apr 18:00   13.75033320   2.610T   87hr 47m 12s   35.47PHs   0.12%   3.003G   40.82THs   0.01582171
463149   23/Apr 11:07   13.87149941   2.626T   89hr 2m 4s   35.19PHs   0.12%   3.047G   40.83THs   0.01609624
463114   23/Apr 04:42   13.61377686   2.623T   89hr 35m 13s   34.93PHs   0.12%   3.060G   40.75THs   0.01588353
463081   22/Apr 23:18   14.05974889   2.614T   89hr 50m 26s   34.71PHs   0.12%   3.071G   40.78THs   0.01651799
463032   22/Apr 16:41   13.59606647   2.604T   89hr 49m 36s   34.59PHs   0.12%   3.072G   40.80THs   0.01603582
462908   21/Apr 19:56   12.52474014   2.606T   90hr 38m 0s   34.30PHs   0.12%   3.070G   40.41THs   0.01475377
462897   21/Apr 18:17   14.12160662   2.605T   90hr 38m 4s   34.29PHs   0.12%   3.068G   40.39THs   0.01663137
462890   21/Apr 17:44   14.11857210   2.612T   90hr 52m 51s   34.29PHs   0.12%   3.077G   40.39THs   0.01663078
462867   21/Apr 13:34   12.48296806   2.611T   90hr 52m 51s   34.28PHs   0.12%   3.077G   40.40THs   0.01471229
462811   21/Apr 05:43   14.10863453   2.624T   91hr 19m 37s   34.28PHs   0.12%   3.084G   40.28THs   0.01657862
462711   20/Apr 13:55   14.08710690   2.604T   90hr 44m 22s   34.24PHs   0.12%   3.067G   40.32THs   0.01658795
462615   19/Apr 21:15   14.02176752   2.621T   91hr 55m 30s   34.02PHs   0.12%   3.101G   40.25THs   0.01658821
462562   19/Apr 12:13   13.67967124   2.614T   91hr 58m 49s   33.90PHs   0.12%   3.106G   40.28THs   0.01625303
462551   19/Apr 10:16   15.17181470   2.604T   91hr 41m 57s   33.88PHs   0.12%   3.096G   40.28THs   0.01803549
462536   19/Apr 07:01   13.91717728   2.604T   91hr 48m 53s   33.84PHs   0.12%   3.099G   40.27THs   0.01656070
462219   17/Apr 01:21   12.82059448   2.623T   94hr 21m 49s   33.16PHs   0.12%   3.218G   40.69THs   0.01573037
462180   16/Apr 20:20   13.59917185   2.612T   94hr 14m 46s   33.06PHs   0.12%   3.213G   40.67THs   0.01672656
462162   16/Apr 17:32   13.69687197   2.628T   94hr 47m 9s   33.08PHs   0.12%   3.233G   40.69THs   0.01685100
462099   16/Apr 05:08   12.82392617   2.622T   94hr 4m 26s   33.26PHs   0.12%   3.213G   40.75THs   0.01571412
462098   16/Apr 05:04   12.44419549   2.621T   94hr 0m 46s   33.26PHs   0.12%   3.211G   40.75THs   0.01524874
462085   16/Apr 03:19   13.36890513   2.624T   94hr 2m 24s   33.29PHs   0.12%   3.212G   40.75THs   0.01636402
461956   15/Apr 07:07   14.07808101   2.615T   93hr 24m 36s   33.40PHs   0.12%   3.192G   40.77THs   0.01718206
461921   15/Apr 01:03   13.41275250   2.608T   93hr 10m 27s   33.40PHs   0.12%   3.182G   40.75THs   0.01636380
461920   15/Apr 01:03   14.14652875   2.608T   93hr 9m 49s   33.40PHs   0.12%   3.182G   40.75THs   0.01725847
461896   14/Apr 21:30   13.92070695   2.608T   93hr 23m 13s   33.32PHs   0.12%   3.191G   40.76THs   0.01702883
461539   12/Apr 06:15   13.71885738   2.503T   96hr 33m 35s   30.92PHs   0.13%   3.301G   40.79THs   0.01809610
461430   11/Apr 13:29   13.97001321   2.505T   97hr 57m 51s   30.51PHs   0.12%   3.075G   37.45THs   0.01715127
461409   11/Apr 09:43   13.81533973   2.512T   98hr 27m 32s   30.44PHs   0.12%   3.088G   37.41THs   0.01697957
461355   11/Apr 03:05   13.80052402   2.508T   98hr 35m 49s   30.35PHs   0.12%   3.004G   36.34THs   0.01652502
461343   11/Apr 01:38   13.62395774   2.514T   98hr 48m 52s   30.36PHs   0.12%   2.954G   35.66THs   0.01600557
461325   10/Apr 22:28   14.07019980   2.501T   98hr 11m 44s   30.38PHs   0.11%   2.846G   34.58THs   0.01601309
461074   9/Apr 05:32   12.62632919   2.506T   97hr 4m 18s   30.80PHs   0.10%   2.401G   29.51THs   0.01209431
461025   8/Apr 22:35   13.78188604   2.512T   96hr 46m 19s   30.96PHs   0.10%   2.393G   29.50THs   0.01312885
460952   8/Apr 10:44   14.33444232   2.519T   97hr 25m 35s   30.85PHs   0.10%   2.407G   29.47THs   0.01369363
460940   8/Apr 08:53   13.59685829   2.512T   97hr 14m 16s   30.83PHs   0.10%   2.399G   29.43THs   0.01298285
460791   7/Apr 10:42   13.64365196   2.514T   98hr 4m 23s   30.58PHs   0.09%   2.335G   28.41THs   0.01267474
460737   7/Apr 01:28   14.48522330   2.499T   97hr 49m 41s   30.48PHs   0.08%   2.076G   25.32THs   0.01203501
460686   6/Apr 17:01   13.59669373   2.512T   98hr 29m 31s   30.43PHs   0.08%   1.966G   23.81THs   0.01063882
460660   6/Apr 13:48   14.09410719   2.511T   98hr 22m 39s   30.46PHs   0.08%   1.958G   23.75THs   0.01098974
460611   6/Apr 04:57   13.99125565   2.500T   97hr 46m 59s   30.50PHs   0.07%   1.717G   20.95THs   0.00960882
460567   5/Apr 21:01   14.12097658   2.511T   98hr 11m 31s   30.51PHs   0.06%   1.455G   17.68THs   0.00818028
460527   5/Apr 15:17   14.44149642   2.508T   97hr 31m 9s   30.68PHs   0.06%   1.455G   17.80THs   0.00837703
460292   3/Apr 23:20   13.98265494   2.518T   97hr 3m 52s   30.95PHs   0.01%   152.615M   1.88THs   0.00084740
460055   2/Apr 12:53   12.64589488   2.506T   98hr 27m 21s   30.36PHs   0.00%   1.612M   19.53GHs   0.00000813
459856   1/Apr 03:43   14.26177361   2.506T   102hr 12m 28s   29.26PHs   0.00%   1.015M   11.84GHs   0.00000577
459767   31/Mar 13:03   14.04170324   2.512T   103hr 59m 27s   28.82PHs   0.00%   667.092k   7.65GHs   0.00000372
459755   31/Mar 10:51   14.04510526   2.514T   104hr 11m 43s   28.79PHs   0.00%   667.092k   7.64GHs   0.00000372
459719   31/Mar 04:16   14.56731116   2.516T   105hr 1m 53s   28.58PHs   0.00%   667.092k   7.58GHs   0.00000386
459443   29/Mar 08:44   14.52662374   2.396T   103hr 12m 29s   27.69PHs   0.00%   292.501k   3.38GHs   0.00000177
459441   29/Mar 08:21   13.89112206   2.386T   102hr 49m 20s   27.69PHs   0.00%   292.501k   3.39GHs   0.00000170
459301   28/Mar 09:31   14.25181934   2.383T   103hr 31m 40s   27.47PHs   0.00%   284.293k   3.28GHs   0.00000169
459203   27/Mar 17:20   14.73967460   2.390T   105hr 13m 47s   27.10PHs   0.00%   288.397k   3.27GHs   0.00000177
459199   27/Mar 15:54   13.69394743   2.394T   105hr 28m 27s   27.08PHs   0.00%   288.397k   3.26GHs   0.00000164
459130   27/Mar 05:03   14.30439649   2.379T   105hr 21m 25s   26.94PHs   0.00%   288.397k   3.27GHs   0.00000173
458892   25/Mar 16:03   14.05139734   2.387T   107hr 1m 59s   26.61PHs   0.00%   4.104k   0.05GHs   0.00000002
458669   24/Mar 05:05   13.97177523   2.382T   108hr 5m 19s   26.29PHs   0.00%   4.104k   0.05GHs   0.00000002
458665   24/Mar 04:10   13.20839458   2.380T   107hr 59m 14s   26.29PHs   0.00%   4.104k   0.05GHs   0.00000002
458639   24/Mar 01:10   14.19006099   2.383T   108hr 15m 16s   26.26PHs   0.00%   4.104k   0.05GHs   0.00000002
458455   22/Mar 19:42   14.12509923   2.396T   109hr 20m 41s   26.15PHs   0.01%   174.659M   1.91THs   0.00102954
458257   21/Mar 12:11   14.32903560   2.387T   109hr 2m 36s   26.11PHs   0.03%   769.401M   8.42THs   0.00461962
458031   19/Mar 21:32   13.18916774   2.394T   110hr 33m 16s   25.83PHs   0.07%   1.691G   18.25THs   0.00931528
457634   17/Mar 09:02   14.51000787   2.391T   110hr 14m 46s   25.88PHs   0.11%   2.512G   27.18THs   0.01524000
457469   16/Mar 08:18   14.62803972   2.307T   107hr 25m 52s   25.62PHs   0.11%   2.426G   26.94THs   0.01537898
457316   15/Mar 06:59   14.04761041   2.320T   108hr 11m 24s   25.58PHs   0.11%   2.443G   26.94THs   0.01479415
457063   13/Mar 13:32   14.58188777   2.321T   106hr 57m 16s   25.89PHs   0.10%   2.406G   26.84THs   0.01511985
456999   13/Mar 03:17   13.79997094   2.305T   105hr 44m 36s   26.01PHs   0.10%   2.380G   26.85THs   0.01424577
456827   12/Mar 01:35   13.12081505   2.312T   103hr 32m 14s   26.65PHs   0.10%   2.348G   27.06THs   0.01332543
456826   12/Mar 01:31   13.63601575   2.311T   103hr 28m 3s   26.65PHs   0.10%   2.347G   27.06THs   0.01384793
456763   11/Mar 15:58   14.40504669   2.317T   103hr 2m 32s   26.82PHs   0.10%   2.340G   27.09THs   0.01455035
456756   11/Mar 14:05   14.20767353   2.316T   102hr 48m 42s   26.88PHs   0.10%   2.336G   27.11THs   0.01433089
456234   8/Mar 01:06   13.54330612   2.309T   102hr 2m 10s   27.00PHs   0.03%   665.282M   7.78THs   0.00390138
455877   5/Mar 15:24   13.75253175   2.306T   98hr 11m 29s   28.02PHs   0.01%   182.631M   2.22THs   0.00108912
455663   4/Mar 01:55   13.85735079   2.315T   95hr 39m 47s   28.87PHs   0.03%   670.980M   8.37THs   0.00401605
455261   1/Mar 10:48   13.81793409   2.206T   92hr 33m 25s   28.43PHs   0.03%   702.633M   9.06THs   0.00440116
454915   27/Feb 02:30   13.66397149   2.206T   106hr 29m 6s   24.72PHs   0.02%   443.238M   4.97THs   0.00274498
454847   26/Feb 16:51   12.92861490   2.213T   110hr 37m 6s   23.87PHs   0.02%   442.841M   4.78THs   0.00258687
454689   25/Feb 20:36   13.86933657   2.213T   117hr 41m 33s   22.43PHs   0.02%   448.431M   4.55THs   0.00281097
454651   25/Feb 14:14   14.13304782   2.209T   119hr 32m 6s   22.05PHs   0.02%   421.821M   4.21THs   0.00269845
454504   24/Feb 16:51   14.35470329   2.212T   126hr 3m 23s   20.94PHs   0.01%   325.599M   3.08THs   0.00211284
454497   24/Feb 15:15   14.09656116   2.209T   126hr 7m 17s   20.89PHs   0.01%   318.524M   3.01THs   0.00203290
454462   24/Feb 10:25   14.04802863   2.208T   126hr 58m 59s   20.75PHs   0.01%   301.256M   2.83THs   0.00191635
454315   23/Feb 12:36   14.33170369   2.208T   129hr 33m 24s   20.33PHs   0.01%   203.760M   1.88THs   0.00132259
454159   22/Feb 10:17   14.92119812   2.218T   129hr 40m 16s   20.41PHs   0.01%   133.468M   1.23THs   0.00089781
454142   22/Feb 06:31   13.57878306   2.210T   129hr 6m 41s   20.42PHs   0.01%   116.964M   1.08THs   0.00071869
454128   22/Feb 04:53   13.67660334   2.210T   129hr 7m 50s   20.42PHs   0.00%   109.336M   1.01THs   0.00067657
454012   21/Feb 08:13   13.27492225   2.216T   129hr 10m 45s   20.47PHs   0.00%   16.820M   155.34GHs   0.00010076
Total: 3.05923525

and here are all my blocks I earned a dust payment amount and have not been paid to me yet last I checked its about 12-15 cents worth in all.

460055   17rchAVCkyuJ9Z2dBU4UT2j***********    0.00000813   *
459856   17rchAVCkyuJ9Z2dBU4UT2j***********    0.00000577   *
459767   17rchAVCkyuJ9Z2dBU4UT2j***********    0.00000372   *
459755   17rchAVCkyuJ9Z2dBU4UT2j***********    0.00000372   *
459719   17rchAVCkyuJ9Z2dBU4UT2j***********    0.00000386   *
459443   17rchAVCkyuJ9Z2dBU4UT2j***********    0.00000177   *
459441   17rchAVCkyuJ9Z2dBU4UT2j***********    0.00000170   *
459301   17rchAVCkyuJ9Z2dBU4UT2j***********    0.00000169   *
459203   17rchAVCkyuJ9Z2dBU4UT2j***********    0.00000177   *
459199   17rchAVCkyuJ9Z2dBU4UT2j***********    0.00000164   *
459130   17rchAVCkyuJ9Z2dBU4UT2j***********    0.00000173   *
458892   17rchAVCkyuJ9Z2dBU4UT2j***********    0.00000002   *
458669   17rchAVCkyuJ9Z2dBU4UT2j***********    0.00000002   *
458665   17rchAVCkyuJ9Z2dBU4UT2j***********    0.00000002   *
458639   17rchAVCkyuJ9Z2dBU4UT2j***********    0.00000002   *

and out of all them other payments and pay outs I have yet to even be shorted on single Saatchi on my payments nore have I ever paid any thing in fees to get my payments in to my wallet. If I felt I was been cheated or that kano was not as transparent with every thing.   The reason I mine on kanos pool is also the same reason why I DO NOT mine to ant pool at all anymore.



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August 15, 2017, 02:17:42 AM
#28
The thing I don't understand is, Kano has made all of this clear, and yet here you are losing sleep and time festering over the thought of never getting your dust. Is it really worth it?

The Bitcoin community should police itself.  When a pool operator has run off with $68,000+ USD of their miner's money, someone needs to shine a light on that.  Frankly I'm amazed it's taken this long for someone to get the pitchforks and torches.  Three years?!?

And let's not forget...



A better question is, why does it bother you that I want my money?  Why the hell wouldn't I? 

If I'm successful in pressuring Kano to do what's right, YOU BENEFIT.  You're welcome.
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August 15, 2017, 01:41:53 AM
#27
I mine at Kano and do believe it's the best pool around.  I like getting my piece of the transactions fees, where some pools do not share, KanoPool does share the transaction fees with his miners. I also think Kano is fair and provides great support. I believe Kano will get you your dust payments at some point in the future, just like everyone else who has dust on the pool.

The thing I don't understand is, Kano has made all of this clear, and yet here you are losing sleep and time festering over the thought of never getting your dust. Is it really worth it?
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August 14, 2017, 05:43:59 PM
#26

Now greyworld, why did you end up spending bigtime looking for small money?


Irrelevant to the topic.  Who I am does not change the fact that Kano should pay what he owes people, ASAP.

But the answer is because I have faith that bitcoin will increase in value.  So it's worth it to mine at 'just-barely-breaking even'.   And that's working so far, BTC's jump in value the last week has made me a lot more than what mining has. 

This is all basically a learning experiment anyways until/if my S9's show up.  Knowing as much as I can about Bitcoin is of value even if it comes with expense.
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August 14, 2017, 04:44:26 PM
#25
Why are you here greyworld?

Main reason to you being here I think is making big money spending small money.

I went to Kano's pool with an S3 end of july, and after two blocks another S3, two blocks more and I was out of dust. I got a couple blocks more, then a 440% block almost made me go back to slush. After that there was a couple more ramp up payments before I was in full pay, going straight to wallet every time. This pplns scheme is best paying period. Dust is 0.00014 btc okay, but site states "* Dust payments are not automatically sent out".


Now greyworld, why did you end up spending bigtime looking for small money?
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August 14, 2017, 11:54:28 AM
#24
Update: Due to recent increases in the value of BTC, the figure I have previously come up with for the amount Kano's unpaid 'dust' represents, roughly $50k, is now much closer to $70k  ($68,000 at current rates of $4,250 USD per BTC).

Kano, every day you fail to make good on what you owe, the deeper the hole gets.  PAY YOUR MINERS.

I'll be updating my sigline accordingly.

BTW:  Donations are gratefully accepted - 1NQ5xPxU7iEUic25rmy8DyXGEQrmeETtxJ - Thanks!
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August 10, 2017, 11:59:01 AM
#23
Sigh... that kind of makes sense.
I guess the 0% fee is too tempting now. I'm gonna give ckpool another chance and move back there again, hopefully fee stays like that and no major bugs happen.
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August 10, 2017, 06:36:06 AM
#22
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I'd love to mine at ckpool. I really like the 0% fee + block generation payout. The problem is I cannot trust them after ck threw away MONTHS of work over "code exploding" once a diff to find a block was found. He didn't even explain what happened nor grantee if it would happen again. Because of that, that pool is dead to me now unfortunately.
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Wait, he marked the pool as BETA, and he told everybody that the code is now in test,
so we know some bad things might happen.
What should he told you about that code fucked up?
He was not Happy about it and sorry for the loss, and he fixed the code hopefully.
It is not the situation like on the solo pool, that was stable code running for 2 years now, and he
compensate the miner fully. I don't know what other pool owner would do if that happens to them, so
why I should not trust him!
Edit:
Best solution for people that want to be save is to wait until the pool is not in beta state anymore.

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August 09, 2017, 09:57:39 PM
#21
I haven't mined there for a while but I decided to go look at my payments page and see how much dust I had collecting out there...turned out to be 95 payments worth... 0.00196058 or about $6.50. I'm surprised he still hasn't paid out the dust to the users after all this time, especially given the substantial increase in value.


Do you mind if I ask your total actual payments from using Kano pool?  I'm trying to figure out the percentage of those payments the unpaid amount represents.  Also, what Th/s did you mine at when at his pool?  Thanks.

Sure, if you pm me your email address, I can send you a spreadsheet. As far as TH/s goes, it varied as I used to rent hash as well as pointing my miners there.
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August 09, 2017, 09:24:41 PM
#20
Besides from not informing mininum hashrate, they do not inform that if you don't state an address right away you will be DONATING btc to kano. Kano got some btc from me that way. And once contacting him, he was arrogant as usual.
These little things make me wanna leave kano. But unfortunately I cannot lie - I find their fee the best.
I'd love to mine at ckpool. I really like the 0% fee + block generation payout. The problem is I cannot trust them after ck threw away MONTHS of work over "code exploding" once a diff to find a block was found. He didn't even explain what happened nor grantee if it would happen again. Because of that, that pool is dead to me now unfortunately.

Till I find something better, I'm forced to stay at kano's Sad
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August 09, 2017, 08:27:49 PM
#19
I haven't mined there for a while but I decided to go look at my payments page and see how much dust I had collecting out there...turned out to be 95 payments worth... 0.00196058 or about $6.50. I'm surprised he still hasn't paid out the dust to the users after all this time, especially given the substantial increase in value.


Do you mind if I ask your total actual payments from using Kano pool?  I'm trying to figure out the percentage of those payments the unpaid amount represents.  Also, what Th/s did you mine at when at his pool?  Thanks.
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August 09, 2017, 08:15:56 PM
#18
I haven't mined there for a while but I decided to go look at my payments page and see how much dust I had collecting out there...turned out to be 95 payments worth... 0.00196058 or about $6.50. I'm surprised he still hasn't paid out the dust to the users after all this time, especially given the substantial increase in value.
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August 09, 2017, 07:56:28 PM
#17
Ok, so for what it's worth, here's my assumption from what I know of the man:

Kano will aggregate your dust payouts until they cross the non-dust payout threshold, then pay you. Pandering to anything below that would be "ridiculous, unsustainable marketing hoo-ha" if my spidey-sense is correct.

I suggest that you do not succumb to your knee-jerk reactions of "scam". Kano is direct and concise, even prickly at times, not to be mistaken for "incorrect", "unreasonable" or "scammy". Kano is always precise (to a fractional satoshi in my experience), and overtly so.

That is incorrect, those dust payments accumulate... in his wallet.  They've sat there for three years.  He 'occasionally manually pays some of them out' as he sees fit, or doesn't, shrug.

Kanopool subsidizes 'low fees' by ripping off the weakest miners in the pool.  The biggest members of the pool are indirectly profiting from the theft of what is due to the smaller contributors, in the form of lower fees for them.  It's 0.9% for the bigger, it's up to 100% for smaller.  Maybe that's why they have such glowing statements in his support... he's basically bribing them.
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August 09, 2017, 05:36:13 PM
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Ok, so for what it's worth, here's my assumption from what I know of the man:

Kano will aggregate your dust payouts until they cross the non-dust payout threshold, then pay you. Pandering to anything below that would be "ridiculous, unsustainable marketing hoo-ha" if my spidey-sense is correct.

I suggest that you do not succumb to your knee-jerk reactions of "scam". Kano is direct and concise, even prickly at times, not to be mistaken for "incorrect", "unreasonable" or "scammy". Kano is always precise (to a fractional satoshi in my experience), and overtly so.
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August 09, 2017, 04:45:15 AM
#15
Here's Kano bragging about keeping $48k of unpaid 'dust' payments

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lulz $150 a day ... not anything like that ... ~$44 a day for 3 years (though of course it goes up and down ... now we only get ~2 blocks a day so on the lower end)
Total balance since Sep-2014 is something like 16BTC - including miners who had no payout addresses and got more than dust.
$48k at current prices in almost 3 years.

Keep away from the pool is the best action you can take.
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August 09, 2017, 04:05:40 AM
#14
In one point I can agree with you:
It should be diplayed at wich amount of hashrate it is possible to mine without getting into a dust trap at the pool.

BUT:
I would never call him a thief!
He got that "dust" accounted on every user, you can see it if you look
in your account.
And he allways say he will pay it out to the user, if he ever finished the code for doing that automaticly.
As far as I know, Kano is preparing each Payout manualy, so it will be a big work for him to do also each dust!
During my stay at Kanopool I was happy, I chat with Kano and it was nice even we do not allways share the
same ideas. He could be rough, ok, that is Kano as we like him.
So simply I accept this and leave, because my hashrate is to low, but not because I do not trust Kano.

maybe later I will correct my bad english, so sorry about any typo.




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August 08, 2017, 07:35:22 AM
#13
The $48,000 in dust payments were not that much at the time.  You could equally argue that if you bought $1,000 of drugs from a dark market when the price was $1, they owe you millions.

PS:  Antpool takes transaction fees.  Looking at this chart, you can see that with Antpool's hashrate they make shitloads of money.

Actually at today's rates, 16 BTC is $55k.  It doesn't matter if 'at the time' it wasn't much.  It's a lot now.  After three years of skimming off the top, it's made Kano quite a bit of money.

Frankly I have no idea what you're talking about with dark market drug money.  That's a very labored analogy.

And I already acknowledged that with PPLNS, Antpool keeps transaction fees, and that it's greedy and that advertising 0% rates for PPLNS is less than honest of them.  They do pay transaction fees out with PPS+ however, but then that has a 4% fee and it's PPS based so it's really totally different.  How Bitmain is ripping people off should be a totally different thread and I'd be happy to jump on that bandwagon, but this thread is talking about how Kano is robbing people.   Keeping those dust payments amounts to an unstated fee and it's heavily biased against people with the weakest hardware.  The less your miner makes, the more Kano keeps for himself.

Have you noticed how friendly Kano is if you're complying with his scam?  All you have to do is fork over those dust payments, help him make money with his pool, and talk smack about every other pool, and he'll be your best friend.  But if you have anything at all to say about it other than glowing reviews, he turns into a very hostile, defensive, and arrogant person?   If someone is only your friend while they are stealing from you, they're a con artist.
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August 08, 2017, 07:04:43 AM
#12
The $48,000 in dust payments were not that much at the time.  You could equally argue that if you bought $1,000 of drugs from a dark market when the price was $1, they owe you millions.

PS:  Antpool takes transaction fees.  Looking at this chart, you can see that with Antpool's hashrate they make shitloads of money.
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August 08, 2017, 05:45:10 AM
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I am not sure if you actually understand how kano pool works after all. I just can't tell from your lengthy complaint. Assuming you have maxed the 5Nd requirement as per pool faq page, you should expect 3.5T / 80000T (pool total) x 12.5 btc (raw reward) = 0.0005 per block. This is higher than the dust cutoff. If you were rewarded less than this by a wide margin, then either 1) your hash is much lower than 3.5T as you claimed; or 2) you haven't max'ed out 5Nd.

This is how kano pool works and the math behind it. Even kano cannot cheat around this, or we wouldn't be on the pool.

At the very least, Kano should state on the pool faq that miners with less power than 0.7T will simply never be paid at all, regardless of how much they max out said requirement.  No such statement exists that I noticed, maybe I'm wrong but now I don't like to go to his site because I don't like him having access to my IP.   Instead it says 'Do not point CPU / GPU miners to this pool'.

Why should I give Kano my power cost and reward for that ramp up period?  Why isn't that 'donation' (or theft, depending on how you want to phrase it) mentioned as part of the fees?  Saying the fees are 0.9% is deceptive and not accurate.  If that ramp period comes to 2.5 days, then that's 2.5 days of power cost gone and 2.5 days of reward gone, for me, about $20.  I should pay $20 for the 'privilege' of mining on his pool?  No thanks.

I think he uses that implied write-off as a method of coercing users into staying with his pool. 

Current 5Nd should be about 2.5 days.

I can understand it's not possible to require every miner to be patient for such time frame, where I personally have no issue with, this could be found on faq page before you even start mining at this pool.

"Be patient, I just want to rob you for a couple days, but then afterwords, oh man, it's going to be so great!"


And now it comes to this interesting part. While I stay neutral on kano's comment about you being no experience with building system as such, I surely can't give you much credit either. I trust you didn't spend more than 5 minutes laying down pseudo code like this, but you have totally ignored the architecture and design behind the running software. Anyone can say how one would think something works, but without understanding how pieces fit each other, it's nonsense, or garbage, at most.

5 minutes of logic flow does not equate to 5 minutes of work to get it into production. <-- I will stop here, assuming you know software engineering principles well enough.

Actually, my code example is totally unnecessary.  Here's why.  The clearly evident facts are:

Kano is already tracking payments under the payout threshhold.  The website lists them, and marks which ones won't be paid.  So that is already done.

Kano already has code to send payments to people.  Allegedly, I wouldn't know, this happens all the time.

So the new code required?  Add up the unpaid payments, and pay them.

He's put more effort into crook-splaining why he doesn't do this than it would take to actually do it.


I saw you have a lot of emphasis on being factual. Yes, I witnessed this story you had with kano and would agree that you did not evidently spiced it. BUT, please understand that facts can be conflicting too. Your fact does not equate to my fact all the time.


Well... my 'facts' are mostly just direct quotes from Kano.  This is not me putting words in his mouth, it's his own admission of not paying out 'dust' miners, keeping some portion of their payments, and ultimately that has added up to over $50k.  His words, not mine.  Maybe he's lying about it just to piss me off, I wouldn't rule that out.  But as it stands, he is pretty brazen about gloating about how much money he has skimmed off the top from users like yourself.


...because, I have 80TH on kano pool. and I audit kano pool payout every week then find that: I pay 0.9% fee, e-v-e-r-y-t-i-m-e.


Not true.  The 2.5 day ramp up time period you paid more than that 0.9%, according to your own statements above.  Likely, you also got robbed at some point for any time you failed to stay connected 100% of the time.

Now, do I have a comeback to finger point your signature that

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Kanopool - The only pool with a 100% fee - "We stole $50k from our users!"

Huh

I would not do so.

You removed part of my sig so I filled it back in for you.  I'm curious why you would remove it.  Does it sting?  That's why I've done it.  For you, so hopefully you'll eventually get paid what's owed to you.  Do you think I care about the $1.40 Kano owes me?  Or the $5-$10 I lost in power costs trying his pool out?  Sure I'd like to get paid but at this point I'm just offended he gets away with robbing the people making him so much money.  It's not necessary.  He could just be honest and pay people what they're owed and still make a bucket of money.
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August 07, 2017, 09:03:07 PM
#10
With my miner slugging away at 3.5-3.7 Th/s, every block payment was under the 10k payout limit.  He (she? whatever) has said numerous times 'You'll get that dust when hell freezes over', or roughly equivalent.  So for me, my 'fees' on Kano pool are roughly... 100%

So 0.9% is not exactly accurate either.

Maybe it's a good deal if you have a large miner farm, I wouldn't know.  Seems like requiring users to have considerable mining resources defeats the purpose of a mining pool, but your mileage may vary.
I am not sure if you actually understand how kano pool works after all. I just can't tell from your lengthy complaint. Assuming you have maxed the 5Nd requirement as per pool faq page, you should expect 3.5T / 80000T (pool total) x 12.5 btc (raw reward) = 0.0005 per block. This is higher than the dust cutoff. If you were rewarded less than this by a wide margin, then either 1) your hash is much lower than 3.5T as you claimed; or 2) you haven't max'ed out 5Nd.

This is how kano pool works and the math behind it. Even kano cannot cheat around this, or we wouldn't be on the pool.

I guess he needs to be deceptive to keep his pool going, so anyone laying out the facts has to be silenced.  I shrugged that off, and responded to someone else who said I needed to mine with Kano for 3-4 days to actually hit max payout by saying I don't like systems that require ongoing effort without reward based on the expectation that there will eventually be a reward because this is the same dynamic that keeps gamblers at the blackjack table losing their life savings... IIRC, the term for this is 'cognitive dissonance'.

Current 5Nd should be about 2.5 days.

I can understand it's not possible to require every miner to be patient for such time frame, where I personally have no issue with, this could be found on faq page before you even start mining at this pool. and if timeliness is so critical to you, then antpool, or pool-hopping-proxy pools maybe are better choices for you. It's your preference.

I have electric bills to pay every month. what i do is i dedicate a small amount of hashes to other PPS pools to ensure i can meet the commitment, should kano pool suffers the worst possible luck. This is risk management, things can be done. Failure to use tools properly does not entitle tool inventers to be deceptive.

I wrote some code that would handle dust payments, here it is.

Note that aside from template code Kano already has in place for other functionality with the site, the actual new code to handle dust payments is essentially four lines long.  It took me no more than 5 minutes.  "SQL->" represents "Send this SQL command to the SQL engine, however it is that you prefer to do that", not literal code.  

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SQL->"SELECT DISTINCT userID FROM shifts"

// In PHP or whatever, loop through the results

SQL->"SELECT SUM(amount) AS dustTotal FROM shifts WHERE userID='".$row["userID"]."' AND amount<10000 AND paidOut=0"

// retrieve result row (using boiler plate code used on every page on his site)

//  Call the payout function he's already using

funcPayout($row["userID"], $row2["dustTotal"]);

// Either update it's status to paid...
SQL->"UPDATE shifts SET paidOut=1 WHERE userID='".$row["userID"]."' AND amount<10000"

// ...Or delete it...
SQL->"DELETE FROM shifts WHERE userID='".$row["userID"]."' AND amount<10000"

// ...But not both.



----

Maybe he uses flatfiles instead of SQL, but even then he already has a system in place to pull them based on a user selection and read the payout amount so it's largely the same idea even if that's the case.  Maybe there's some hoops to jump through to secure it more than above, sterilizing user input etc.  If so, he's already doing so elsewhere, again it's not new code.

Put this on a crontab and it'll happen daily, weekly, whatever.

Or it could be triggered by the user whenever they want, but that might require checking the volume and possibly applying a fee, which is also minor.

And now it comes to this interesting part. While I stay neutral on kano's comment about you being no experience with building system as such, I surely can't give you much credit either. I trust you didn't spend more than 5 minutes laying down pseudo code like this, but you have totally ignored the architecture and design behind the running software. Anyone can say how one would think something works, but without understanding how pieces fit each other, it's nonsense, or garbage, at most.

5 minutes of logic flow does not equate to 5 minutes of work to get it into production. <-- I will stop here, assuming you know software engineering principles well enough.

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various references to "facts"

I saw you have a lot of emphasis on being factual. Yes, I witnessed this story you had with kano and would agree that you did not evidently spiced it. BUT, please understand that facts can be conflicting too. Your fact does not equate to my fact all the time.

So, facts are only for supporting your argument. it does not entitle you to be righteous without question.

because, I have 80TH on kano pool. and I audit kano pool payout every week then find that: I pay 0.9% fee, e-v-e-r-y-t-i-m-e.

Now, do I have a comeback to finger point your signature that
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Kanopool - The only pool with a 100% fee
Huh

I would not do so.
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August 06, 2017, 01:56:12 AM
#9
I'm going to stop posting to his thread now, it's obviously not going anywhere (and I just noticed in the 'Deleted Post' notification that it expressly states I should stop posting to his thread if he's asked me to, which he did).

Kano pool users, I've done what I can.  It's up to you now.  Good luck.
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August 06, 2017, 01:53:33 AM
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Here's another post he deleted, I thought it should be retained somewhere.

Here's the code to handle dust payouts.  Took 5 minutes.
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It's wrong. Clearly you've never written code for anyone who must deal with 'money'

As I have said many times, and in those links you didn't bother to read, there's no accounting in the system.
It doesn't know what has been sent out ... as the Payments page states at the top .. and doesn't need to know, to do block payouts.
The current working process simply needs to work out the total shares in 5Nd++ and then divide each person's shares in that shift range by that total number.
Again as I have said here before, the bitcoin blockchain tracks all the payouts, so I need to write accounting based on the blockchain, not some random and incorrect sql.

In the past I have done manual payouts for some people, without any tracking in the pool, just logs, and again, they require accounting of the blockchain to be able determine the unpaid amount.
Put simply, as I have stated quite a number of times before and in those links, the pool requires accounting added to it ... which it will in the not too distant future as I have stated recently also.

Your statements don't add up.  The website is already showing me the payments it's not giving me.  Clearly you have access to that information.  And it's not based on the blockchain payments, because there was no payment (to me).   So no matter how it is that you figure out exactly how much money you're not paying out, you could simply do that again, and actually pay it out to people.  You've made the decision not to, and people need to be aware of that.

And I did read your other posts, they mostly read like the kind of rubbish that would result in me firing someone if they tried to explain a three year delay in critical functionality.  "Oh, we can't do that because something something Orphan Blocks.  You just wouldn't understand, only I understand, so shut up and give me your money!"

The rest of it, frankly, reads like you're laundering money for people.  People pool their miners, help you generate fresh coins, and in exchange, you give them small portions of other existing coins.  While you keep the newly minted coins.  Where did the old coins come from?  Where are the new coins going?  You could be laundering drug money for all we know.  And when the forensic accountants eventually get their act together and start unraveling the threads of this fiasco, who pays?  Your miners, when those old coins are retroactively seized.

When you talk about 'there is no accounting system yet, it needs added', how do you expect to go back over three years of payouts and figure out who gets what?  Obviously, you won't.  So you should just come out and admit that the unpaid 'dust' will never be paid out, instead of lying about it over and over again.

The code is right, I've posted it to my scam thread about your pool as well.  The only reason you've gotten away with this for as long as you have is you talk down at people you think don't know as much (or more) about coding.  Those days are numbered.  You need to get it together man, before you get dragged into court for fraud.  $50k+ is a considerable amount of money.
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August 06, 2017, 12:34:17 AM
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I posted the code to make dust payments happen to his pool thread.

He deleted it.
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August 05, 2017, 03:13:05 PM
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I wrote some code that would handle dust payments, here it is.

Note that aside from template code Kano already has in place for other functionality with the site, the actual new code to handle dust payments is essentially four lines long.  It took me no more than 5 minutes.  "SQL->" represents "Send this SQL command to the SQL engine, however it is that you prefer to do that", not literal code.  

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SQL->"SELECT DISTINCT userID FROM shifts"

// In PHP or whatever, loop through the results

SQL->"SELECT SUM(amount) AS dustTotal FROM shifts WHERE userID='".$row["userID"]."' AND amount<10000 AND paidOut=0"

// retrieve result row (using boiler plate code used on every page on his site)

//  Call the payout function he's already using

funcPayout($row["userID"], $row2["dustTotal"]);

// Either update it's status to paid...
SQL->"UPDATE shifts SET paidOut=1 WHERE userID='".$row["userID"]."' AND amount<10000"

// ...Or delete it...
SQL->"DELETE FROM shifts WHERE userID='".$row["userID"]."' AND amount<10000"

// ...But not both.



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Maybe he uses flatfiles instead of SQL, but even then he already has a system in place to pull them based on a user selection and read the payout amount so it's largely the same idea even if that's the case.  Maybe there's some hoops to jump through to secure it more than above, sterilizing user input etc.  If so, he's already doing so elsewhere, again it's not new code.

Put this on a crontab and it'll happen daily, weekly, whatever.

Or it could be triggered by the user whenever they want, but that might require checking the volume and possibly applying a fee, which is also minor.
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August 05, 2017, 08:21:34 AM
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Questions for Kano?  This is what you can expect:

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You clearly are shilling for Bitmain.

I'll simply delete your posts.

Here's a post I started a couple days before trying to discuss my questions with Kano:

Topic: Bitmain takes your money, does not confirm payment, does not ship product
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/resolved-bitmain-takes-your-money-does-not-confirm-payment-does-not-ship-2062789

Worst. Shill. Ever.
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August 05, 2017, 08:07:22 AM
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Here's Kano bragging about keeping $48k $68k of unpaid 'dust' payments

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lulz $150 a day ... not anything like that ... ~$44 a day for 3 years (though of course it goes up and down ... now we only get ~2 blocks a day so on the lower end)
Total balance since Sep-2014 is something like 16BTC - including miners who had no payout addresses and got more than dust.
$48k at current prices in almost 3 years.
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August 05, 2017, 07:36:24 AM
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Kano's reply to my question:

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Yep dust mining here is indeed an unknown when you'll get paid out and until then, yep you could call it a 100% fee
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August 05, 2017, 07:18:13 AM
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To be fair, as Kano has pointed out, with PPLNS Antpool keeps the transaction fees, and Kano's pool does not.  So '0%' is not accurate, although they do clearly state this in their support document so it's not exactly deceptive, just greedy.

Still no answer about how / when / if 'dust' is paid out with Kano's pool though.

With my miner slugging away at 3.5-3.7 Th/s, every block payment was under the 10k payout limit.  He (she? whatever) has said numerous times 'You'll get that dust when hell freezes over', or roughly equivalent.  So for me, my 'fees' on Kano pool are roughly... 100%

So 0.9% is not exactly accurate either.

Maybe it's a good deal if you have a large miner farm, I wouldn't know.  Seems like requiring users to have considerable mining resources defeats the purpose of a mining pool, but your mileage may vary.




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August 05, 2017, 05:39:39 AM
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 I thought I'd try Kano pool.  My experience with it was not great... which is fine, but then I tried to discuss it with Kano here and that's when things went really south.

What I was trying to figure out is 'Will I get paid if my per-block reward is less than 10k satoshi', because the website says the payments don't happen automatically, and Kano's posts here indicate 'this feature is in development' and that it will be done 'sometime around the return of Satanio' or something like that.  Basically, don't expect payment for blocks if the reward was less than 10k.

Which is... not great but whatever.  Talking about $1.50 here, not really that big of a deal.  Just tell me that so I can make my plans accordingly.  Still no direct answer to that.

Instead, when I mentioned how Antpool is paying better, and faster (both facts), Kano decides I'm shilling for Bitmain (despite me starting threads like 'Bitmain takes your money, does not ship product, DO NOT TRUST BITMAIN'), and says Antpool has higher fees.  Which is not true.  

To be clear:

Kano's Fees are 0.9%, PPLNS.

Antpools fees for PPLNS: 0%

And actually, Antpools fees for PPS are negative 5%.  And at the moment they have some sort of promotion where they pay you extra on top of that.  For me right now thats 16% extra.  Again, I am not a fan of Bitmain, but these are the facts, and it's very simple to check.

Anyways, I posted as much in a short message to Kano's thread, and he promptly deleted it.  I guess he needs to be deceptive to keep his pool going, so anyone laying out the facts has to be silenced.  I shrugged that off, and responded to someone else who said I needed to mine with Kano for 3-4 days to actually hit max payout by saying I don't like systems that require ongoing effort without reward based on the expectation that there will eventually be a reward because this is the same dynamic that keeps gamblers at the blackjack table losing their life savings... IIRC, the term for this is 'cognitive dissonance'.

I didn't say anything bad about Kano or his/her pool in that post, just that I don't like systems like that.  Post was promptly deleted.

So, because Kano apparently does not pay out small payments (which do add up, obviously), is misrepresenting the reality about the fees of his/her pool compared with others, and is actively trying to silence anyone saying anything remotely critical of this practice, I have to say 'Watch out for Kano pool'.
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