Topic: We Could Be Living In Simulation Says Elon Musk (Read 2537 times)

Quote from: tokeweed on June 16, 2016, 06:03:34 AM

"But what if our 15 billion years = 15 hours on base reality? And how would you know it takes that much refresh rate to mimic reality if one has not experienced it?"

That statement cannot be true unless faster than light is possible.

when we are talking about different dimensions Light doesn't match up. The simulation can not be compared to the speed of light I guess. If we are living in a simulation then the base reality may not consider time. Maybe the past,preset and future are happening at the same time !!!!!

It's an interesting idea, but if past, present and future happen at the same time, why does my clock only show one time?

He was talking about past, present and future happening at the same time in the base reality. So assuming we are living in a simulation the real world could behave very differently than here. But I also saw that idea suggested for the way things happen in this world in other places: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YycAzdtUIko won't pretend to understand how that would work but looks interesting.

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Well, who knows if we are living in a simulation or not. But one thing is certain. We are living a lot closer to Heaven than we are to Hell. Consider...

Absolute zero - the coldest things can get - is around -460 F. Absolute hot is an unknown, but it is somewhere up in the hundreds of millions of degrees or something.

Hell is hot, right? We are much closer to as cold as we can get, than we are to as hot as we can get.

Grin

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Quote from: zojav on June 16, 2016, 02:11:49 AM

We are more than the sum of our parts. We invent ideas witch are not part of our original programing. This gives me hope that anything is possible.
Why would they run this simulation, if they already knew what would evolve from it? They would not.

Maybe for entertainment purposes...? What if people from the real world enter the sim to be entertained and basically to play this game called life. Imagine playing Grand Theft Auto but in a more realistic setting. I know I'd pay to play that game to be quite honest.

Or maybe for experimentation purposes. Maybe they wanna see how humans lived in different historical times. We could be a sim right inside a museum, or in a lab somewhere like an ant farm where everyone can be observed by the people up there in the real world.

The reality is, who knows why... Then again, if this is really the real world, what is the purpose of all this?

Why does the world have to have a purpose? Why do we have to have a purpose? This is the reality and there is no simulation. We are here because we are. There is nothing special about us, our planet or our consciousness. I believe this, our reality, exists in abundance all over the universe.

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Quote from: virtualx on July 21, 2016, 04:16:13 AM

Quote from: virtualx on July 21, 2016, 04:16:13 AM

"But what if our 15 billion years = 15 hours on base reality? And how would you know it takes that much refresh rate to mimic reality if one has not experienced it?"

That statement cannot be true unless faster than light is possible.

when we are talking about different dimensions Light doesn't match up. The simulation can not be compared to the speed of light I guess. If we are living in a simulation then the base reality may not consider time. Maybe the past,preset and future are happening at the same time !!!!!

It's an interesting idea, but if past, present and future happen at the same time, why does my clock only show one time?

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My opinion is that;

We are really spiritual beings.
As spirits we have no flesh, bones or blood.
As spirits we can be compared to the wind.
As spirits we are not tangible.
Because we are as the wind, we are very interconnected, as spirits.

As spirits we are conscious and can take seeming form, but we are not tangible.

The physical realm gives tangibility to spirits.
Physicality is the "clothing" of spirituality.
Adam and Eve were created fully clothed,
and generally were aware that they are spirits controlling the flesh for the sake of tangibility.
The snake tricked Adam and Eve into eating the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil.
The fruit made them more physically aware, but less spiritually aware.
And therefore they then desired physical clothing.
They perhaps could have eaten the fruit after first growing in spiritual knowledge.

For eating the fruit their spirits would naturally loose hold of their bodies,
and their bodies eventually expire; they needed the tree of life to counteract this effect.
Over time mankind has become less and less spiritually aware.
The snake seeks to keep us completely spiritually unaware
by having us believe in physical aliens from other physical planets. Revelation 13:6

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^ There is no "base reality" Musk is a liar and he's just trying to get everybody to believe bullshit.

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"But what if our 15 billion years = 15 hours on base reality? And how would you know it takes that much refresh rate to mimic reality if one has not experienced it?"

That statement cannot be true unless faster than light is possible.

when we are talking about different dimensions Light doesn't match up. The simulation can not be compared to the speed of light I guess. If we are living in a simulation then the base reality may not consider time. Maybe the past,preset and future are happening at the same time !!!!!

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Quote from: notbatman on July 19, 2016, 10:52:30 PM

"But what if our 15 billion years = 15 hours on base reality? And how would you know it takes that much refresh rate to mimic reality if one has not experienced it?"

That statement cannot be true unless faster than light is possible.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on July 19, 2016, 04:55:28 AM

Quote from: notbatman on June 22, 2016, 08:36:48 PM

Quote from: bbc.reporter on July 19, 2016, 04:55:28 AM

This guy is a fraud and a criminal. He is bribing corrupt politicians such as John McCain, to get favors for his firm (Space X). He is leeching the American defense and space budgets, by selling his over-priced and low quality rockets. Want to make America great again? Get rid of criminals such as McCain and Elon Musk.

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The rockets are over priced maybe because there is only a very small market for it. So SpaceX is forced to sell them at high margins. I do disgaree that they are of low quality. They have recently made their rockets land vertically on ground. I don't think low quality rockets like of Russia can do that. Elon Musk is also planning on sending a man on Mars of which the full details will be released this September. It is doubtful that they will make low quality rockets for the first man on Mars.

It's all fake, space is a lie; there are no rockets or satellites up there. SpaceX is 100% hoax, and a bad one at that too.

Thunderbirds are go, mothefucker! -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHktxfeKEx8

What do you mean by "space is a lie"? Can you explain a little bit more? Because your statement is very vague. I do not know if you are serious or joking.

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Quote from: notbatman on June 22, 2016, 08:36:48 PM

Quote from: BADecker on June 16, 2016, 01:22:08 AM

This guy is a fraud and a criminal. He is bribing corrupt politicians such as John McCain, to get favors for his firm (Space X). He is leeching the American defense and space budgets, by selling his over-priced and low quality rockets. Want to make America great again? Get rid of criminals such as McCain and Elon Musk.

+1

The rockets are over priced maybe because there is only a very small market for it. So SpaceX is forced to sell them at high margins. I do disgaree that they are of low quality. They have recently made their rockets land vertically on ground. I don't think low quality rockets like of Russia can do that. Elon Musk is also planning on sending a man on Mars of which the full details will be released this September. It is doubtful that they will make low quality rockets for the first man on Mars.

It's all fake, space is a lie; there are no rockets or satellites up there. SpaceX is 100% hoax, and a bad one at that too.

Thunderbirds are go, mothefucker! -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHktxfeKEx8

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Quote from: tokeweed on June 16, 2016, 01:10:47 AM

Quote from: Semidetached on June 15, 2016, 08:55:41 PM

Guys he said there's a billionth of a chance we aren't in a simulation and then we would get to high technology to create a simulation. So either we create the simulation or we're in it

Exactly. The thing is at the pace technology's development is going, we could create a real world simulation sooner or later. Once it's there, you cannot help but wonder what if we're actually in one. And if we do accept it, how do we prove or disprove it?

A thought about where to start proving it.

Already a long time ago high school science classes were teaching that hydrogen atoms are made out of one proton and one electron. The electron revolves around the proton, something like the earth revolves around the sun. (Flat earth people, this is not for you. Browse elsewhere.)

A hydrogen atom is extremely tiny. But if you enlarged one so that the proton in the center was the size of a pinpoint - barely visible in the palm of your hand - the electron would be flashing around it as much as 100 feet away.

What would there be in between the electron and the proton? Nothing... just empty space, just like there is in reality. And while the other atoms are a bit more complex than the hydrogen atom, they are essentially made up of a few little protons, neutrons and electrons... all bouncing around in a gigantic amount of empty space that makes up the vast majority of the volume of any atom.

When you realize that all this stuff that seems so solid in life, is really just a bunch of empty space, you can start to see that this whole thing really is a simulation.

Cool

Looks more like a problem with our senses. And how we make sense of the world. We can't intuitively understand how the world works. The example you gave is good but there are many others. But none of that means reality must conform to our views. Or that if this is a simulation the reality outside would work like we think it should.

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Yes, it is simulation, but it is not Elon Musk s idea.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on July 19, 2016, 09:07:49 AM

Quote from: ObscureBean on July 19, 2016, 06:18:52 AM

I hope you guys realize that these types of "theories" are a dime a dozen, all you need is a few six-packs, some good weed (DMT or peyote for a more immersive experience complete with all-encompassing truths) and a bunch of friends. I had plenty of these sessions while at uni and every time the stuff we came up with was Nobel prize material Grin

You don't think Elon Musk's argument is valid when he said we have developed so much in technology that in over a thousand years it would be possible to construct a simulation that will be very realistic, you won't know the difference. If it is possible, then it is possible that we are living in one now.

It makes sense to think in that way. If human can create a virtual reality that we can not differentiate then the possibility is we are already living in a simulation. Like in the movie matrix. It's concept was developed almost a century ago. even the Spiritual leader talk about this world being an illusion. This 3D dimension is not the reality !!!!

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Quote from: ObscureBean on July 19, 2016, 06:18:52 AM

I hope you guys realize that these types of "theories" are a dime a dozen, all you need is a few six-packs, some good weed (DMT or peyote for a more immersive experience complete with all-encompassing truths) and a bunch of friends. I had plenty of these sessions while at uni and every time the stuff we came up with was Nobel prize material Grin

You don't think Elon Musk's argument is valid when he said we have developed so much in technology that in over a thousand years it would be possible to construct a simulation that will be very realistic, you won't know the difference. If it is possible, then it is possible that we are living in one now.

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Quote from: ObscureBean on July 19, 2016, 06:18:52 AM

I hope you guys realize that these types of "theories" are a dime a dozen, all you need is a few six-packs, some good weed (DMT or peyote for a more immersive experience complete with all-encompassing truths) and a bunch of friends. I had plenty of these sessions while at uni and every time the stuff we came up with was Nobel prize material Grin

Nick bostrom is not that kind of scientist Tongue

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I hope you guys realize that these types of "theories" are a dime a dozen, all you need is a few six-packs, some good weed (DMT or peyote for a more immersive experience complete with all-encompassing truths) and a bunch of friends. I had plenty of these sessions while at uni and every time the stuff we came up with was Nobel prize material Grin

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Quote from: notbatman on June 22, 2016, 08:36:48 PM

This guy is a fraud and a criminal. He is bribing corrupt politicians such as John McCain, to get favors for his firm (Space X). He is leeching the American defense and space budgets, by selling his over-priced and low quality rockets. Want to make America great again? Get rid of criminals such as McCain and Elon Musk.

+1

The rockets are over priced maybe because there is only a very small market for it. So SpaceX is forced to sell them at high margins. I do disgaree that they are of low quality. They have recently made their rockets land vertically on ground. I don't think low quality rockets like of Russia can do that. Elon Musk is also planning on sending a man on Mars of which the full details will be released this September. It is doubtful that they will make low quality rockets for the first man on Mars.

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Quote from: BADecker on June 22, 2016, 10:12:22 AM

This guy is a fraud and a criminal. He is bribing corrupt politicians such as John McCain, to get favors for his firm (Space X). He is leeching the American defense and space budgets, by selling his over-priced and low quality rockets. Want to make America great again? Get rid of criminals such as McCain and Elon Musk.

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Life, Love and Laughter...

Hey. It's a simulation. If you manage to get out, there's no way to know what to expect. Could be anything. Stay in the simulation and forget about it... and start living a happy life.

Cool

I totally agree. But I don't agree in forgetting about it. I think the simulation argument is something good to talk about to start a stimulating conversation.

Like, when you say simulation, is this a simulation where all of you live in my mind simulation or do we all live inside a common simulation?

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Hey. It's a simulation. If you manage to get out, there's no way to know what to expect. Could be anything. Stay in the simulation and forget about it... and start living a happy life.

Cool

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"But what if our 15 billion years = 15 hours on base reality? And how would you know it takes that much refresh rate to mimic reality if one has not experienced it?"

If 15 billion here = 15 hours there, their reality would seem to us like a 1983 web-cam live stream. As to refresh rates, a natural reality should not have one. imo.

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Quote from: tokeweed on June 21, 2016, 08:57:49 AM

This guy is a fraud and a criminal. He is bribing corrupt politicians such as John McCain, to get favors for his firm (Space X). He is leeching the American defense and space budgets, by selling his over-priced and low quality rockets. Want to make America great again? Get rid of criminals such as McCain and Elon Musk.

But but but... he created tesla...

The supposed iconic man besides mark zurkeberg.. I dont blame the guy though cause hes doing what most people with money do anyways.

It sad to see the corruption but what can you do about it..?

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Quote from: BADecker on June 21, 2016, 08:09:52 AM

Quote from: tokeweed on June 21, 2016, 07:34:28 AM

Quote from: BADecker on June 21, 2016, 08:09:52 AM

This simulation did not start a million years ago. It started with the big bang and has been running about 15 billion years. Our entire universe is simulated. (if true)
Theres a refresh rate for our universe. Its around a trillion times per second, but it exists.
Is there a quantum mechanic in the house?

But what if our 15 billion years = 15 hours on base reality? And how would you know it takes that much refresh rate to mimic reality if one has not experienced it?

Come on. You are only imagining that you are asking these questions. You are in the simulation, and haven't really asked anything.

Grin

Then again, how do I know I'm really in a simulation if I haven't experienced reality? How do I kmow that I'm only imagining asking a question when I am really actually asking a question?

It doesn't really matter, since you only think that you are asking the question. Or do you?

Grin

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Quote from: tokeweed on June 21, 2016, 07:34:28 AM

Quote from: tokeweed on June 21, 2016, 07:34:28 AM

This simulation did not start a million years ago. It started with the big bang and has been running about 15 billion years. Our entire universe is simulated. (if true)
Theres a refresh rate for our universe. Its around a trillion times per second, but it exists.
Is there a quantum mechanic in the house?

But what if our 15 billion years = 15 hours on base reality? And how would you know it takes that much refresh rate to mimic reality if one has not experienced it?

Come on. You are only imagining that you are asking these questions. You are in the simulation, and haven't really asked anything.

Grin

Then again, how do I know I'm really in a simulation if I haven't experienced reality? How do I kmow that I'm only imagining asking a question when I am really actually asking a question?

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This simulation did not start a million years ago. It started with the big bang and has been running about 15 billion years. Our entire universe is simulated. (if true)
Theres a refresh rate for our universe. Its around a trillion times per second, but it exists.
Is there a quantum mechanic in the house?

But what if our 15 billion years = 15 hours on base reality? And how would you know it takes that much refresh rate to mimic reality if one has not experienced it?

Come on. You are only imagining that you are asking these questions. You are in the simulation, and haven't really asked anything.

Grin

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