Topic: WE NEED A HALL OF FAME? (Read 496 times)

It’s easy one for the people to post about their victory over a bet in the gambling.But it’s hard to think in different manner of making about the other will and good things.In this section,we had able to see many threads about the sportsbet in the large way.Because the sportsbet was playing huge role in the current gambling section of the gambling market.And predictions play the next role on this.

What is difficult with this? They can just make a thread like this one here and maybe add some voting or poll in it. Users can then place their votes if they are too lazy enough to post a reply if which candidate they think fit for the position.

It is okay if not all will do it, no one is forced in this idea anyway but those who join means that they care a lot in the important things that are happening in this forum and they also have a good interest in gambling. To know who had won is easy and it can be done automatically, thanks to the help of the poll system of the forum. In addition to that, we can manually write down the replies of each users that participate.

As much as I want to commend the idea, this would actually give some sort of promotion towards the gambling website in which people are betting on. Since a hall of fame is considered as the benchmark of achievements of players, this would somehow benefit a gambling website in terms of free advertisement and promotion.

Though I do not have any problems with it, this can be easily tampered with in the event that a person may claim to have some winnings on "X" gambling website but in fact that the latter is a fake website at all. I just hope that before the implementation of this idea, people would be able to share their thoughts and recommend some ideas that would somehow help in creating this feature.

You're right. But this certainty is very far from 100%, since there is always a factor of chance. By the way, let's take such an example - poker and, for example, Starcraft (I will talk about the first part because I am not aware of the gameplay in the second). Bookmakers have always been easy to accept bets on StarCraft games and have never had a problem placing quotes. But this seems to be strange because if a low-level player goes all-in or a blind counter-build, then he defeats a stronger player. But on average, the stronger player always wins. In poker, I don't remember bookmakers taking bets on a champion against a rookie in tournaments - they were quoted pretty much the same. Strange, isn't it? It turns out that the bookmakers believed that the success of a poker player is completely random.

I think that you have to consider games where skill must be taken into account.
excluding "flip a coin" or any game related "lucky" .... but take sports betting as an example ... or
texas holdem poker.
you are more or less sure that an "expert" player is better than a novice!
in the past there was the "direct bet" hall of fame. if you see people there (top tipsters), no one was "a coincidence" and in each competition they was able to get some prizes...

Having a hall of fame here on the forum sounds like a funny idea. There are a lot of prediction threads, raffles for people to bet on tournament winners and other betting games. On top of that we have all the big bookmakers and casinos which show their top monthly winners. The question is if the hall of fame be for the people who make he biggest profits with sports betting, or for people who are picking the right team most of the times? If we just go for the highest winnings than this will likely include the whales who have a large bankroll to bet and gamble. For the average Joe it will be harder to get into the hall of fame. That's why it would also be nice to have category which shows gambles who picked the right teams most of the times. There are probably people who bet small amounts but manage to be right 80-90% of the time. It's also very impressive result even if their overall winnings is lower.

I agree with you - regular successes are much more interesting than random one-time big wins. And studying those who are successful in this way is very interesting. But I must note that the regularity of success does not guarantee that this is a pattern and not luck. Roughly speaking, if a billion people constantly flip a coin and guess the result, then there will be someone who guesses, for example, 75% of the time. But this will not say that he is an expert, since his success will only be a fluctuation resulting from a huge number of attempts.

Instead, will it not be better to have a Hall of Shame for projects in this section which scammed its consumers or those which became totally useless. That will help warn others so they do not fall prey. It can also be extended too to bounty managers who do not deliver or ensure that hunters get paid. Any of this two options if done will be a huge benefit to members here more than spamming with names of those who won tournaments.

I believe that the real novelty or interesting aspect about an hall of fame is not so much related to the big win (sooner or later the stroke of luck happens to everyone) but rather relative to constancy!
it is not difficult to achieve success, the difficult thing is to be able to maintain a certain position over time!
E.G if you see a tipster able to achieve a profit every month/year for sure he is above the median of common players and maybe it could be highlighted from the crowd of other tipsters (just my 2 cents)

To some extent, casinos already hold such events that encourage gamblers to brag about their winnings - there are many regular contests (here on the forum in the games and rounds section) where you need to confirm your won bet with the highest odds and get a bonus.
But in general, I agree that there is nothing special about this idea - everyone knows that big wins exist, this does not surprise anyone and is unlikely to attract anyone to regularly view such a thread.

People can stay anonymous, I guess the hall of fame will include just nicknames and wins from people who are willing to share their winnings! We all do that in different telegram groups, from recently on the BTCGosu site, here... and really on many other places! Who is willing to participate will share, the ones who don't like this idea will simply stay out of it!


Why do we even talk about "real identity"!? It's about users/nick names! It's not like we will need a KYC to be in the hall of fame!

If they stick on anonymity, then its hard to create a hall of fame if the winner itself does not allow people to know his real identity. Although what you suggest OP may bring benefit to the audience, but on the winner's side, it will be against the anonymity feature of crypto. I understand that some winners would appreciate being acknowledged, but here in crypto the impact will be a lot different.

I think this was a nice idea. But I doubt if it could be at all. This work will be difficult to complete.  In order to do this, big people have to agree. Not everyone can do it.  Because how do you know who has won? But Anyway, I like the idea.

Seems like a pointless idea to me.If the idea was really good,it would have been already implemented in the forum a long time ago.
There's no incentive for the gamblers to participate in such "wall of fame".Every gambler is free to brag about his winnings in his own social media profiles,or he could just create a forum thread here.
There's no incentive for the crypto casinos to participate in this wall of fame forum thread as well(maybe except advertising their brands).
I don't think that many people would be interested in visiting this wall of fame forum thread on a daily basis.This kinda makes the whole idea pointless.
Another thing is the verification of winning bets.How are they going to be verified?Screenshots can be faked.

Just like a collection or repository of winners on huge events on different gambling platforms? It can be done and should be self-moderated. Obviously a good idea and may even encourage platform operators to hold tournaments and major events regularly for free advertisement as well. Definitely worth doing this, though the one who should manage the thread should be the on who is great on keeping the thread less of a clutter than it should be.

Thanks for the shout out! I know I have been really slowing down on that thread too, a little bit of life situation with busy days and a little bit of betting situation where I'm not nowadays as aware of teams and situations. Admittedly most of my bets disregard the finer details of lineup and sentiment and form is always easier to feel than to calculate anyway.

But yeah, think several years ago it was more common to find tipster threads, they all seem to have gone.

The main challenge is to keep the information updated all the time. It's not really possible in a forum topic. Instead this will be a good idea to have it in a website. Which will be designed specifically for the purpose you are proposing. The bright side of it, once the site will start receiving enough traffic, you can sell ad space. Make some money of the work you will do of course.

Do you really feel that winning a competition makes someone more trusted or worth listening to? If we believe in the concept of luck then a single win can be exactly that. Trusting other people and betting like they do just because you saw them win can make you lose even more than if you were to bet alone and you'll feel even worse for trusting them.

A hall of fame isn't a bad idea especially for casinos because it will show where people are winning the most, but it shouldn't serve as a guide for new people and make them fall victim of people who sell predictions.

I think he's just pertaining to who has the most bets and predictions wins. The idea is indeed fine, but the process and how to make this one successful is tiring, unless it is a contest which the reports and proofs are by initiative of the contestant and there would be a prize pool as well. I wouldn't just do such initiative just for the "HALL OF FAME" title. What if I had thousands of winning bets and predictions?

I wound second on that. This may also spark a obsession in receiving recognition, in competition with the others, so it could possibly lead to addiction as well. The concept is not bad and negative it its essence, but the foregoing implications to the players’ privacy, ego, and etc., could be somehow show negativity.

just curious how will the ranking will be picked? are you gonna put a poll for people to vote on who will be the top 3 or are you just gonna put the ranking base on the money they won? anyway, I think the idea is fine. it would be interesting to see who'll be the winner or how much they won on major events, big poker tournaments, prediction pools, etc...

Yes, I enjoy reading threads where people post their practical attempts to beat the bookmaker/casino, but unfortunately there are very few of them, for example, from long threads, I only see the thread from buwaytress. Others often appear and quickly disappear as the one who starts them quickly and loses his deposit.

That sounds like an interesting idea but I don't think big-time players would disclose or even share details about their winnings publicly. One of the common reasons why gamblers have chosen crypto gambling is the anonymity that it provides so this idea though exciting won't protect their privacy either.

I see it a good idea if something like having a collection of winning stakes on games and presenting them with authentic proofs just like the screenshot you've mentioned, it's a choice to give out your information on winning, i understand that gamblers are as well conscious of their privacy but i think there are many ways this could be achieved without any compromise, but genuity is what we sought for whereby everyone could present his experience just as it is, if you loose or win then make it known while protecting your privacy.

Definitely, I think we would benefit as a community from having some kind of recognition for amazing results and wins. That would also be a way to make the gambling community more active and provide a bit of extra fun. But the question has to be asked: would this kind of recognition egg on bad habits for the people who are currently already suffering from gambling addiction?

We should definitely weigh the pros and cons before making a decision.

Where the hell will the jealousy be coming from. Are there really those that are like this, on a platform where most users stays truly anonymous to themselves..? And to think of it, Curses, are those gor real too and do they really work because, I strongly doubt that. I mean, our luck or misfortune are what we make of it for ourselves.

Perhaps staying private in your gambling affairs gives you a sense of security or keeps off the sentiment that you could be cursed and that would account for your misfortune in the gambling business, that goes too but, that these things happens normally out of jealousy for whom you don't even know... I'm not so sure.

I guess its an ideal thread and interesting at the same time but most of the thread have their own gambling platform must need to have a categories with this kind of thread like top 10 in the particular gambling platform also question is that only with the community here or we just need to post the others achievement and share here just a thought.

I don't think the forum administration will ever get involved to let it mark on some users in their profiles if that's what you're asking.  People tend to forget if it wouldn't be regularly tournaments and on the forum's side that is reasonable considering people just come and go and besides all or I'd say most are just here partly on their time and not fully.

I don't know if that's a good idea or not because some people don't like being called the best of the lot.
For this, they are the best and do not want to be named and prefer to keep it to themselves.
But some people would love to see their name on the list that @OP meant so maybe it will spur them on to do even better.
If @OP thinks it's a good thing then he can make the list but if not then I don't think it's necessary because it might lead to arrogance later.

If it's a local tourney that is held in bitcointalk, there is no way that the winner's name can be hide but if it was a tourney held in gambling sites,A player has an option to hide himself but owners can still post the results here but their name still shows as hidden, like what we are seeing on primedice and stake threads.

There must be a reason why some prefer to private their bet information including the number of wagers or currency used in the game but for me I will be proud when someone sees my name and other statistics. Adding a custom tag seems a good idea. It already happened here before for some v.i.p's and artists. Maybe theymos will consider it once again but this time for the gamblers.

I don't think this is necessarily needed but you can just browse their respective announcement threads because they will always post the usernames of those who win. If a user likes to read and has an interest on different kinds of gambling then he will surely know if who are the users on this forum that are good at gambling.

Also on this section (gambling discussion) there is one thread here before where the op lists the best gamblers on the forum, like for example this user here is good at slots and this other user is good at boxing and so on. I am doing a back reading at the moment of writing but I can't seem to find that thread, sad .

I can not believe that it is not understood that casinos have nothing to do with it.
I'm telling you that all data is public, and that it's all between community participants. NO BIG WINNERS AGAINST CASINOS.

Can you please for example see this thread? Can you SEE its all public information and its between user of the forum.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5382245.60

Its not difficult to understand.

How would we know that those aren't some fake wins to boost the casinos reputation? And I doubt any winners would want to post that they won huge in a tournament because they get nothing out of it. So it should be like someone willing to collect those data and verify it.

Would be a waste of time to know who the winners are. Those information would be useless. Would be better if it was a list of upcoming tournament or series, but i bet there are  hundreds of such platform that continuously tracks those events. How about you collect those data and create a thread and keep others updated?

the hall of fame is not created just for a benefit. it is a simple way to "reward" users who have distinguished themselves in a certain competition or with some betting games.

it sure is a good way to highlight good bettors from the crowd of tipster that "sell" their "services"...

AFAIK, Hall of Fame is being use to give honor to those user that achieve multiple win or highest achievement on the sector that he is doing. Only sportsbet casino is the only Casino that I know that launch a regular prediction thread for more than a year and the rest is just seasonal or one time. So maybe you are not looking for a hall of fame but rather the history of winners on all the promotions here or hall of fame for the certain tournaments. This is just my opinion but winning one time can’t be considered as major achievement especially if the number of participants is small. Maybe just create a thread for history of winners.

If we are actually willing to do that then I do think that we should have a topic where the people can post their best achievements as well and not only that they have to ofc submit their proof as well to make sure no one tries to act funny in the case after that I do think we need to have seperate session for people who have been handling the mega threads as well most of them are doing a great deal. But then again what benefits would they get out of here ? You might have to try and decide something like a trophy 🏆 or some prizes as well which again is not something easy to do. Therefore it's a bit of a problematic situation.

Well, why? Anyone who wants to amuse his ego can himself create a thread about his achievements and share there his story of winnings.

Many of us give some advice on the forum and I would be interested to know which of the forum users has a really advanced skills in a particular game of chance and such a theme would contribute to this.

The general idea of a gambling hall of fame is a nice idea but then we must consider other members who are part of the active gambling with participation in tournaments such like the Betnomy tournament that ended some months back who doe not want the winning to be made public and value their privacy.

How do we intend to get the history and data of other players if their not willing to share it them self because of value for privacy.

That sounds good.

You can personal make that and as given with the example you've got. You should start doing that for everyone to see so that those that don't understand how it looks like.

Will be able to see on how it's going to be looking like. It'll be like an overview of those that you've given based on the description.

I think OP would be just using publicly available information that are also released from those who manages competitions, therefore making this a more concise compilation of winners thread. If I am wrong, fell free to correct me. But I would just say that you should go for it, OP. Just try to show what you wanna do, then the community will decide if it works for them or not, then we will all see if this idea is good or not.

I don't think it would be practical to pursue such an idea. Bitcoin's pseudo-anonymity is one of the reasons that cryptocurrencies are so popular among gamblers. For the same reason, I don't believe you will find a lot of gamblers who will want to publicly share their victories. For them, it is about quietly winning.

Well, the hall of fame sounds good, but I am more for some real community competitions and games! I participated in the Betnomi poker series, and before that in the Bitcointalk poker series, and I would we to have something like that on regular basis, but there aren't enough interested players... from all gamblers in the forum!

I guess we can play any game, to make a pool and compete, but someone has to do all the hard work, like taking care of the spreadsheet, updating thread and scores... and it's not easy as it seems!

Most people don't like to disclose their financial winning especially something that comes from gambling because personally I feel like it will bring jealous which brings curse so bad luck.

But it's a good idea, you can start a thread and start posting the big wins and also let the others post their own or of others from their knowledge. The big win I still remember is by Yahoo on bustadice about 100BTC.

Thats its was i talking about.

The thread from poker you made its was i refer, i think a lot of you missunderstand the main thing, i never talk about players vs casinos im talking about users of the forum against other users of the forum, the information its all public in the threads made for the competitions.

Thanks FamososMuertos, maybe if i made i use info of your posts, the only thing missing  its the Predictions pools i have to collect the info when the season its over.

What is the practical purpose of this? I can't understand what this would be useful for other than to amuse someone's vanity. In the gambling section, people write/read in certain topics and quickly understand whose analysis is interesting (after all, you can always look at the history of messages). I don't think this hall of fame will be really useful to anyone.

Hi,
@darxiaomi Just do it, actually if the post reaches the community it would be great, but if only a few are interested it will also have reached its goal, the important thing is that it is on toPic.
I made two posts that I think can be closer to your idea, one is from the series and the other is from the big winners at a certain moment.

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Links:
Some Facts About BPS. Poker player ranking all time[2020-2022]...
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.59109763
Recycling old bets: positive stories | Yesterday's News
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5286797

It's a good idea actually but i don't think its necessary to make a thread for it and the purpose only is to have a list of winners in big events?. For me IMO much better to create a thread for speculation and where we can get some strategies also so that everyone will have good profits in gambling.. Lol

I feel like there's no need for voting because it would basically be like a compilation of the top finishers from each of the tournaments here on the discussion board.

It's nice to have if gambling sites plan to gather the top performers and maybe invite them to an exclusive tournament.

Anyway, I don't see any harm in doing one if OP wants to continue then i'd say go for it.

That would be fine if you could make it a sticky at the top of the section, but if it's just another thread, I'm not sure, because with the movement here it would tend to disappear buried among the many other threads, and I don't think there are so many events to keep it constantly updated. I'm not saying that it can't be done this way, I just think it would be better to have a sticky but I doubt that you can convince the moderators to put it.

It might be better to communicate with the specific casinos instead of a general thread like here then. But that would then require casinos to have a sort of communication going on with whoever is pretty much holding the data together, not to mention that they have to ask permission whether the winners would like their names to be publicized. IF it was a local tourney hosted by someone here, then that might be easier though. As for custom tags, that would require talking with the owner and specifying when the title should appear only on a specific thread, I don't think it's worth the effort imo.

I like the idea but maybe do not call those a HALL OF FAMERS. Just think of another title.

We can really see if there's an interest in this if someone will start this for real.

OP, prepare those things and you can initiate this plan of yours. The community will backed you up for sure.

Good idea, but it will be subject for bias decisions. If there's a voting option, how can you prevent the votes getting cheated? Or who are eligible for voting?

Or if no voting, who will decide to list the bests and etc. We can agree to the "one of the bests list" but its a bit difficult to say this one is the best and the other is not.

You have a point about the advantages and disadvantages OP should create a poll if the majority will agree when it comes to gambling, not everyone can be as good as the other, even if they are motivated to play more to get a shot.

People should not be motivated to play just to inspire or motivate others or to duplicate other people's achievements it will lead them to be out of control this is not sports or academics, gambling has something to do with the money that you can afford to lose and you should play within your reach.

Yeah, this is a good plan. It can bring more visibility to different gambling platforms. How will be the data collected. In certain cases it is possible only if the gambling site reveals it. Same as the old thread mentioned by an user it is good to give updates on registration, because very few know about such tournaments and used to participate regularly. Anyway good initiation which requires regular updation.

I am afraid that in the world of cryptocurrencies, this idea may fail. Players on this forum still value anonymity and are very not happy to share information about their winnings. I think that the winners of big tournaments even more will not want to boast about it publicly.

Well first of all thanks for reply.

Regarding what advantages it would bring to the consumer, I would say that not many directly to be honest.
But it is interesting (at least for me) to know who really was champion in some internal tournament.
No, I am not referring to those games and rounds contests that are "simple", I am referring to the big poker tournaments, like the one I mentioned in my example and to the pool of predictions like the one that is sponsored by Sportsbet of the Premier League that has 50 participants.

Returning to the subject of advantages, for example the sponsors will always have their name written in the historical table as I put in the example. (Betnomi poker series, etc.)

This could also generate that more pages decide to make their big tournaments (of which there are few today) thus benefiting the entire community.

The main thing is to know and get to know each other better and that the newbie who arrives also knows who he is talking to. Because as we all know in the posts there is a lot that he comments on but perhaps few that he really knows.

My idea its to do good with a good graphic desing or something like that also can be sponsored. (im not saying im going to do it). But can be do for one of the amazing campaing managers we have here.

Sorry if im not well expresed, english its not my mother tongue.

and how would that be? would each person post their biggest win and fair some screen shot to prove their win or will the casinos post their biggest wins along with some screen shot? speaking from a motivation point of view, this can be a good idea because it would create more motivation for other people, but it could also create illusions in other people, because seeing other people earn a lot, the tendency will be to copy that person and as a result we will have more people spending money they can't afford to lose

Well make it one table yeah do that, good idea to know that. We can see smart people in making predictions too so that their speech can be trusted to be followed, there are many interesting things on the board games and rounds, some people often win in a competition. You can check, if I'm not mistaken, also betja always makes a soccer prediction competition every week and the names of the participants are open for everyone to know. I agree with your idea.

Can't say I've witnessed something similar but it seems like a right kind of idea. Especially with the fact that, it would help the betting platforms gor which this best are been won on. Like the case of drake and stake.com. it surely created waves in the betting or gambling industry and you can agree with me that, some gamblers and even intending gamblers must have been won over in that singular display of won bet and also ability to pay.

Again, it would create a trend for the curious mind to follow in studying how these winners place there bets and arrived at a win. That's to say, the wall of fame goes. The question now is,

How would these bets be collated and ranged to determine who makes it in.

Good point raised - I would also want to know the same.
But that is good thread generated by where it is going? I hope you achieve you goals.

Seems like a nice idea, but what advantages does it brings to consumers, new or old? I am fond of playing poker so wanna know who is the best among of the crypto gambling sites in here, really want to see where this is coming to. By the way how would they be rated?

seems like a good idea to me.
in the past there was that of "directbet"
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/free-betting-competition-2000-in-prizes-sponsor-betkingio-discussion-thread-1256522
which collected all the winners of their competitions, with the closure of their site it is obviously no longer updated

I find it a bit more complicated to create a "multiple betting site" also considering that the competitions/rules change, but I believe that a solution can be found...

I made this post because i think we, the community of gambling of bitcointalk need a kind of Hall of Fame.

What im saying?. Some like a thread that show all the winner of major events like, big Poker tournaments, Predictions pools.


You can see all the winners of the tournaments or best positioning in one post. And also this can work like a "trust" tabble to who is speaking in any thread, like ohhh see he is the winner of X competition.

Example:

Top 3 of BETNOMI POKER SERIES.
Top 3 of Sportsbet Predictions POOL


What do you think?