we need more volatility and faster bear bull bigger losses or bigger profits

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Quote from: jerry0 on October 09, 2020, 03:13:06 PM

Well if you are a trade, obviously volatiliy is what you want right?

The art of trading (professional one, I mean) is to make money even when the cryptocurrencies volatility is low/medium. The success is waiting for those traders that have patience, knowledge, and have at least 18-25 altcoins and Bitcoin in their wallet.

It depends on the knowledge and patience of the trader if he/she going to earn because this is the key to success to much greedy or too much fear in trading does not necessary. All actions has a consequence. To win or to fail.

Altcoin market are highly manipulated and the number rules knowing how the choose the perfect coin. Aside, i thing that leads to the creation of this thread is the OP and some people not understanding how the crypto market works cause the market cant be rosy always.

Quote from: cryptoboss2020 on September 29, 2020, 09:01:13 AM

whos got solution for that?

No, have the solution the market is decentralized and the best way to profit from it is by following the whales decision and try as much as possible to make profit through trend.

Quote from: cryptoboss2020 on September 29, 2020, 09:01:13 AM

we are all in crypto to get rich but if the market not working we can not get rich there is high risk so at least this risk need to be worthed

You can speak for everybody and the last time i checked some people are into crypto because of the technology. However, every momentum posed by the market comes with unique benefit you just need to enlighten about what to do.

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Quote from: jerry0 on October 09, 2020, 03:13:06 PM

Well if you are a trade, obviously volatiliy is what you want right?

it depends, maybe you trade the MOVE contracts Grin

this way you could profit in low volatility times.

to learn more about it I think one of the best articles is this one by romano:
https://medium.com/@romanornr/ftx-com-move-contracts-46c586a66408

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This is the reason why we are trading because of the volatile market but you cannot rule the market to make any adjustment with your decisions, I think if you are one of the whales you can make it easily manipulated without no worries. If you are just common people who just want to make a trade with a higher volatile market I think it's better to keep your funds it's better to wait patiently because this is part of trading.

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Quote from: jerry0 on October 09, 2020, 03:13:06 PM

Well if you are a trade, obviously volatiliy is what you want right?

The art of trading (professional one, I mean) is to make money even when the cryptocurrencies volatility is low/medium. The success is waiting for those traders that have patience, knowledge, and have at least 18-25 altcoins and Bitcoin in their wallet.

It depends on the knowledge and patience of the trader if he/she going to earn because this is the key to success to much greedy or too much fear in trading does not necessary. All actions has a consequence. To win or to fail.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on October 09, 2020, 12:19:57 PM

not everybody is in crypto only to get rich.

I wish this was true but everyone of us spend their time and energy around here because we want to earn, I am being very honest. I mean we are here discussing trading pattern and answering each other because it helps gain more knowledge about trading and why are we all learning? Because we want to earn at the end of the day.

Quote from: Lucasgabd on October 09, 2020, 12:19:57 PM

if you want more % gain you can try futures markets and leverage to have bigger returns on smaller price movements.

But that also means if a big bearish-run follows then you need to have some backup funds to manage portfolio and assets during those times.

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just remember: higher rewards almost always carry higher risks

True hence I always prefer slow but steady profits instead of quick but uncertain profits. I know a lot of people are looking for fast moving market to execute their trades as fast as possible but it is risky if the market keeps moving in a particular direction (down) for an extended run.

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If you are expecting the whole crypto markets to work the way DeFi did, then I must say that it won't be too far for the death of this crypto world. Seriously, you need to rethink on this. What volatility are you even talking about? It was all looking fake to me because their markets are limited with least required liquidity, the marketcaps blasted in numbers because of those tokens' prices, but instead of going for its value in USD, did you check what kind of buyers they had? It was like a rat in front of an elephant who's ready to kill the rat with just one attack. BTC is doing far better than that and I'm really happy to see stable growth rather than flying high and then crying when it gets a steep pullback down as a correction.

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Quote from: Shasha80 on October 05, 2020, 05:10:58 AM

If you want instant profit by expecting more volatility, that means you don't have patience. In fact, to be successful in trading,
one of the keys to success is being patient. Trading when market conditions are high volatility, more risky than trading when it
is less volatile as it is now. Don't rush to make a bigger profit, the result you will be experience bigger losses. I suggest starting
to learn to trade in market conditions like now, if you succeed in making a profit, it means that you are ready to face a high volatile
market. But if the current market conditions you are losing, I am sure you will experience losses as well as trading in a high volatile
market.

I don't think that is 100% correct because it is indeed true that more volatility means more trades possible and actually it is beneficial if the market moves up and down all day but that does not happen. What you are saying is basic trading knowledge but been a trader for long time I can tell you that more fluctuation is actually better for day traders like me who want to just make small profits and maybe OP has similar style.

How do I cop up with this less fluctuation then? I simply do Leverage trading with 5x more money and this means even small change in price will now give me higher profits so the market remains the same and doesn't change all day as much but I adapted in such a way that now I have bigger amount due to leverage and now even small price changes matter a lot.

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Quote from: jerry0 on October 09, 2020, 03:13:06 PM

Well if you are a trade, obviously volatiliy is what you want right?

The art of trading (professional one, I mean) is to make money even when the cryptocurrencies volatility is low/medium. The success is waiting for those traders that have patience, knowledge, and have at least 18-25 altcoins and Bitcoin in their wallet.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on October 09, 2020, 12:19:57 PM

just remember: higher rewards almost always carry higher risks.

I do not know why something so simple gets lost on most people, people see the volatility of this market and then add leverage trading and they imagine themselves making a fortune and while that is definitely possible they fail to see that the most likely scenario is that they will lose all their money in a heartbeat, after all leverage trading is something that only experimented traders should try and yet you see a lot of newbies trying it and then they come here to the forum to complain about how the exchange is trading against them when no one really forced them to use 10x leverage or more.

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Well, top top traders that i know do not care about volatility when it involves investment; as a trader who invests, top traders only care about the profit and losses. How ?
A true trader going into a market always expect to make losses; and this is why thorough researches are always followed, alongside proper researches

While on the other hand every trader must expect profits; what is your gain as a trader if you do not prioritize profits ? i implore that you get your priorities right and always do your own research.

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What is going to happen shouldn't scare you if you end up investing for long term. Let's say you bought bitcoin right now at this price, and in the next 2 years it peaks at $20k and it bottoms at $5k and moved in between that range, if you sell at $20k that means you are not going to make more profit later on 5 years later when it peaks at $40k, but if you also sell at $5k you will not be making x4 more profit at 20k neither and actually end up losing money.

So, if you buy right now and consider the next two years only, you are not going to get the most out of your investment compared to even longer waiting. Let alone 2 years, people can't wait 2 months these days, there are tons of people who end up losing money because they see it going down and they just end up selling and running away, that is really not a smart move at all.

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Quote from: cryptoboss2020 on September 29, 2020, 09:01:13 AM

whos got solution for that? we are all in crypto to get rich but if the market not working we can not get rich there is high risk so at least this risk need to be worthed

In any case, you must protect your trading from complete loss of your deposit. And no matter how banal it may sound, you need to divide your deposit into 2 parts: hodl and day trading. In this case, you will simultaneously act as both an investor and a trader who will be interested in high volatility to get a profit.

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Quote from: cryptoboss2020 on September 29, 2020, 09:01:13 AM

whos got solution for that? we are all in crypto to get rich but if the market not working we can not get rich there is high risk so at least this risk need to be worthed

That wasn't simple. It's easy to say but we can/no one control what's going on in the market.

That's the challenge. How to overcome your market difficulties on a given trend.

Instead of thinking about that, try to adjust to whatever trend you will encounter. You won't see a professional trader whining like that.

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Quote from: samcrypto on September 29, 2020, 08:40:14 PM

Anyway, I will still need to focus on my strategy and make money on this volatile market, the market will move on its own.

Forcing market can only lead to pain because the wallet will keep going down. It is good that you trade at the time you find market being easy. If you try to always be in the market because of profit this can be very risky if it begins to move wrongly against the market you trading on.

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Well if you are a trade, obviously volatiliy is what you want right?

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There's no need to be upset

not everybody is in crypto only to get rich.

but there are TONS of way to profit from this market.
if you want more % gain you can try futures markets and leverage to have bigger returns on smaller price movements.

just remember: higher rewards almost always carry higher risks.

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Quote from: jostorres on October 06, 2020, 04:07:17 AM

Volatility is something traders want, not what investors what, there is a huge difference between traders and investors because investors want long term profits in few years whereas traders want to make money in minutes if they can.

Volatility will help you make money very quickly, it will help you get rich overnight if you are good at it, put on 100x margin calls for long and see bitcoin go up from 10.5k to 12k and you are suddenly rich over night, but you can't have that in long term investment if you put money into bitcoin for future and it goes from 10.5k to 12k you make only a few percent increase which is not what you are looking for. So, while volatility would be great for one type of people it will not make a difference for the other type of person.

What it is interesting is that the volatility is for the most part controlled by traders and not investors, after all once an investor puts his money in bitcoin and he decides to hold for a few years he is not doing anything to increase or to decrease the volatility, so if anyone is mad at the low volatility that is present on the market right now he has to set his eyes on his fellow traders as they do not seem to want to take any risk on the market at the moment.

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The long term idea of bitcoin has been long gone since the 2017 peak, for the past 3-4 years people have seriously switched to just "making more fiat thanks to crypto" strategy and it really upsets me a lot, I wish that wasn't the case.

Unfortunately people forgot why bitcoin was created in the first place, it was created because financial world was ruled by few and bitcoin was created to give people some voice over their own finances, you could make as much money as you want in fiat world but the financial world will find a way to profit from that and make themselves richer, so you are never truly free in fiat, bitcoin was created to make you a lot more free. Nowadays it is all "we need volatility so we can profit", you are not profiting, you are getting poorer because even if you have more dollars, it will go down in value.

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Volatility is something traders want, not what investors what, there is a huge difference between traders and investors because investors want long term profits in few years whereas traders want to make money in minutes if they can.

Volatility will help you make money very quickly, it will help you get rich overnight if you are good at it, put on 100x margin calls for long and see bitcoin go up from 10.5k to 12k and you are suddenly rich over night, but you can't have that in long term investment if you put money into bitcoin for future and it goes from 10.5k to 12k you make only a few percent increase which is not what you are looking for. So, while volatility would be great for one type of people it will not make a difference for the other type of person.

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Quote from: EdenHazard on October 02, 2020, 10:37:20 AM

Damn baby you are looking for the quickest way to get a lot of money eh?

Goodluck i bet you will going nowhere but ended up with misery, yeah that high expectations are so destructive. Be more realistic and just trade slowly , compounding and so on.
The process might take a long time , but believe me the results in the end is so satisfying.

Unfortunately this is what happens to most people that are only interested in getting fast profits, getting profits itself from the markets is difficult if at that you want to add to do it really quickly then the risk that you are going to take is going to be enormous and most likely it could not be classified as trading anymore and it will be closer to a gamble, and in my particular case I am not comfortable with something like that as the chances you lose your investment are very high.

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Quote from: Shasha80 on October 05, 2020, 05:10:58 AM

If you want instant profit by expecting more volatility, that means you don't have patience. In fact, to be successful in trading,
one of the keys to success is being patient. Trading when market conditions are high volatility, more risky than trading when it
is less volatile as it is now. Don't rush to make a bigger profit, the result you will be experience bigger losses. I suggest starting
to learn to trade in market conditions like now, if you succeed in making a profit, it means that you are ready to face a high volatile
market. But if the current market conditions you are losing, I am sure you will experience losses as well as trading in a high volatile
market.

Aiming for a volatile and faster bear bull may cause or may take you to a more riskier trading. Digital currency was unstable, it may give you a high profit and may also give you a high losses all was seemed to be dependent upon on how you make your trading so well that you wouldn't end up losing your investment. Patience is a virtue here in cryptocurrency, aiming for a faster and easy money was foolishness, you need to work hard to earned it here.

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If you want instant profit by expecting more volatility, that means you don't have patience. In fact, to be successful in trading,
one of the keys to success is being patient. Trading when market conditions are high volatility, more risky than trading when it
is less volatile as it is now. Don't rush to make a bigger profit, the result you will be experience bigger losses. I suggest starting
to learn to trade in market conditions like now, if you succeed in making a profit, it means that you are ready to face a high volatile
market. But if the current market conditions you are losing, I am sure you will experience losses as well as trading in a high volatile
market.

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Quote from: so98nn on October 03, 2020, 02:34:28 PM

Dam that’s too much to ask from the crypto space dude. Seriously look at those number you talking of. I mean like 1000% ROI and 100% profiting in 5 minutes. Well if you wanna do that then why not go and ask quantum computer when would be the next bull run. Lolz. It might just help you give such returns in zero time. There is no freaking way to do that, you are playing all this based on greedy emotions. The faster you wanna be rich the faster you will loose your assets. Crypto is just another technological advancement to help with our daily use, it’s not an instrument to get rich quick.

Crypto should not only the basis to make profit or a living, it requires time and a huge capital so when big adoption happens he will be able to get a good ROI.those who are able to earn a lot from 2017 hype also waited year before they earn that, the y buy it at lowest and waited or maybe trade and find ways to acquire more so when bull run happens they have save a lot and are ready to ride and gain profit from all the work and years they waited.

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1000% is nothing more than crazy figure because some volatility itself people find it inappropriate and due to which some investors do not invest in it. Also, when the volatility is very high it is good for traders to trade on either side, but here also only experienced or expert trader are successful rest of them if chose the wrong side will lead to heavy losses.

And other will be affraid to the market that can't manage to maintain its price , this is only good for those greedy person that want to earn quick money by having large movement .but real investors will be afraid of that kind of market and many will surely marked bitcoin as one of the dangerous market and do you really think that's good news? No! Many will lost in that kind of market and many will not trust bitcoin as one of the investment choices.

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2. Cheap fees while transferring.
3. Blockchain technology can be applied in daily life.
4. Widely coins distributions
5. Safety

Combination of all those mentioned above can create more :
1. Acceptance
2. Adoption

So people started to use crypto more easily, safety and without any dobt. This will create confidence that crypto is useful in daily life. And people starting to hodl crypto as one of their investments portfolio. In long term it will be good for crypto price.

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Quote from: beerlover on October 02, 2020, 12:11:49 PM

If you really want to make profit you could make profit during stable times as well, especially during stable times it is easier because you do not have wild movements that could make you lose money.

For example, you could simply play the spread and make money from 10.400 to 10.600, you do not need it higher or lower, you could put margin trading as well and jack it up to 100x as well and you could play with it, it is going to be a bit tough but you could spend very little money and make a lot of money from the quickest and shortest moves in the market that way.

I am not saying do that, but all I am saying is that it is totally possible to do it. So, we do not need the market to go up and down like an elevator, it could stay stable and still could bring in profit.

There are also bots that could make a thousand trades a day if you give it that order and can make you tiny bit of profit as much as you want.

For example, you put an order at $10.5k to buy and sell at $10.6k and just let it be, for the whole day whenever it goes down and up it buys and sells, you could make it even smaller if you want, you can calculate the trading fee and omit that from the profit and see at how much you can buy and at how much you can sell.

If you want even more advanced there are bots for futures as well so you could do high leverage and even make more profit from the tiniest bit of movements.

There are tons of bots like that, I am not going to give any names not to advertise them (not for free at least lol) but leverage trading bots are great for these boring days.

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Quote from: leea-1334 on September 30, 2020, 08:58:08 AM

When it is stable like now, time to accumulate!

I believe on this time too for buying. Price of bitcoin has been stable for sometime since two months, it has been around $10,000. After this stable price, it can pick to $12,000 and above because festival for December is around.

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Dam that’s too much to ask from the crypto space dude. Seriously look at those number you talking of. I mean like 1000% ROI and 100% profiting in 5 minutes. Well if you wanna do that then why not go and ask quantum computer when would be the next bull run. Lolz. It might just help you give such returns in zero time. There is no freaking way to do that, you are playing all this based on greedy emotions. The faster you wanna be rich the faster you will loose your assets. Crypto is just another technological advancement to help with our daily use, it’s not an instrument to get rich quick.

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All you think about is big profits without good experiences. you have to remember that when you trade you will not always be lucky. You need high votes continuously, so you also have to be prepared for bigger losses when you are not lucky.

The market is not controlled by one person, but everyone controls the market. You can't make it the way you want it, you have to understand market movements so you can keep up with it.

You get 100% profit, but then you get 200% loss, it just makes you lose everything.

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If people are not here because there is no volatility and they will leave, let them leave, we do not need them. We need people who will stay here because bitcoin is great and they want to be part of bitcoin revolution and they want to be part of people who spend and earn bitcoin instead of trade it or invest to it.

There must be a lot of people who think bitcoin is a currency like it was intended to be and use it that way, I do not think that every single person interested in the trading part of bitcoin even though that is a big part of the deal as well. Hopefully they will realize that even if the volume is low and stability has been around for a long time there are ways to make money in bitcoin world and they should be focusing on those parts of it to profit.

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I'm already satisfied with the current trend, I've done with the adjustment.
We want more volatile to get rich easily? No, I didn't find this a solution to your problem (not mine). The more it becomes volatile the higher risk it comes and I don't think that many will have their drive to trading if they will see this thing. Not for sure, IMO.

There are no shortcuts in becoming rich and not trading could make it.

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no bro dont me . im not here on crypto to get rich but i just love the way crypto work and it helps me most of the time mostly for online transactions . there could be crypto usere that are like me that being rich is not priority . im not saying im already rich but others can be , i dont know . the thread is best to pm to the whales but you are lucky if there are whales that are a part of this forum and they can see this post . im not against with this , but ill accept if whatever the fate lies on crypto . non volatile or volatile , crypro can still be useable for online transactions .

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1000% is nothing more than crazy figure because some volatility itself people find it inappropriate and due to which some investors do not invest in it. Also, when the volatility is very high it is good for traders to trade on either side, but here also only experienced or expert trader are successful rest of them if chose the wrong side will lead to heavy losses.

In reality, Volume is what matters rather than volatility. Just like what you said, a 1000% volatility is a crazy figure especially when it occurs during a short time span. A real trader will never trade on a coin without volume even thought it volatility was very high because you can't still have profit out of it if you can't sell all your order in the order book due to lack of liquidity. The OP of this is just desperate maybe because he loses the majority of his portfolio. This topic can't be considered as a trading discussion because it looks like OP description is more pertaining to a PONZI scheme.

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Mate it doesn’t work that way. Yes investment is all about taking risks, but the way you have described it here is not how it works. I know that you’re saying this because you want to make quick money from the market, or are you ready to lose money?

You said up to 100%, so let’s imagine that you invest money and the market drops that much in a day, would you be ready to accept losing that much? So, man don’t say things you can’t take. You people are only interested in making quick money and it’s so annoying, you all lack patience. Relax man, if you want to make money, you should be ready to work very hard for it. Stop looking for fast means, you might end up in a situation you will regret.

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This DeFi hypes was killing the industry instead of strengthening it, the days of yFI and food related memes related coins should be dead by now, scammers were using it to milk gullible and noobs Investors of their hard earned money.

This short term bear market came at the right time as it'll wipe aways most of the fakes in the market and only leave the legitimate company new of average with great marketing concept.

The volatility are good as that's what make the market interesting and attractive but you should also note that, it's chasing away some potential investors mostly interested in assets that can be precise as a store of value which is something the bitcoin currency is been precised to offer but the volatility doesn't support that.

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If you really want to make profit you could make profit during stable times as well, especially during stable times it is easier because you do not have wild movements that could make you lose money.

For example, you could simply play the spread and make money from 10.400 to 10.600, you do not need it higher or lower, you could put margin trading as well and jack it up to 100x as well and you could play with it, it is going to be a bit tough but you could spend very little money and make a lot of money from the quickest and shortest moves in the market that way.

I am not saying do that, but all I am saying is that it is totally possible to do it. So, we do not need the market to go up and down like an elevator, it could stay stable and still could bring in profit.

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Damn baby you are looking for the quickest way to get a lot of money eh?

Goodluck i bet you will going nowhere but ended up with misery, yeah that high expectations are so destructive. Be more realistic and just trade slowly , compounding and so on.
The process might take a long time , but believe me the results in the end is so satisfying.

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It is never possible to trade without patience and control of emotions in case of trading there will be risk that the market not be stable in one place rise and fall and start trading seeing the volatility of the market. No one can tell when the bull run this is why entrepreneurs need to think positively and always wait patiently for their own development if the market is pumped all traders will get its instability.

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Crypto trading does require patience, the market is not always volatile. Sometimes it's like now a market that looks stable.
I understand some traders do expect the market to be up to 1000% bear or bull. And can be used to take advantage of volatile
price movements. But if the market is too volatile it is not good in my opinion, there will be a pump and dump. And this will
make a lot of newbie disadvantaged, because if there is a pump and dump in the market, most newbies usually buy coins at
the peak price. I prefer the market like now, let the volatile market occur naturally.

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Wrong board mate, you should make this thread in this board https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=67.0 or you can move it now.

The real investor or trader will avoid it, they will choose a safe place to gain profit. Not just storing money in a project and they will get profit or loss in several times. This is not a gambling purpose, you should be able to tell the difference among them, yeah I think your point is more suitable to gamble, why don't you choose that? The project should have a real function to avoid the price huge drop, by that there will be many people who like the project although it is gradually.

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Quote from: el kaka22 on October 01, 2020, 02:21:42 AM

I totally disagree with this, we need to learn to live with stable prices and we do not need volatility to keep us going. If the only thing that makes people interested in bitcoin is the fact that it is a volatile currency and you could trade it to make more profit, that means you are not doing it right, you are not even interested in bitcoin itself, you are interested in making a profit in fiat and that is why you should not be here at all.

If there wasn't volatility most people wouldn't be here. And for many years to come it's still going to be the prime draw. I'm sure many people have been converted into true believers after that being the reason they arrived but let's not kid ourselves.

Without sleazy speculators it would be nowhere near where it is today and possibly nowhere at all.

Damn straight. Credit where credit is due. I am confident speculators represent a healthy chunk of overall Bitcoin adoption. The majority, if we're being honest.

I came for the volatility. I stayed for the technology and financial freedom.

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Quote from: el kaka22 on October 01, 2020, 02:21:42 AM

I totally disagree with this, we need to learn to live with stable prices and we do not need volatility to keep us going. If the only thing that makes people interested in bitcoin is the fact that it is a volatile currency and you could trade it to make more profit, that means you are not doing it right, you are not even interested in bitcoin itself, you are interested in making a profit in fiat and that is why you should not be here at all.

If there wasn't volatility most people wouldn't be here. And for many years to come it's still going to be the prime draw. I'm sure many people have been converted into true believers after that being the reason they arrived but let's not kid ourselves.

Without sleazy speculators it would be nowhere near where it is today and possibly nowhere at all.

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Quote from: cryptoboss2020 on September 29, 2020, 09:01:13 AM

whos got solution for that? we are all in crypto to get rich but if the market not working we can not get rich there is high risk so at least this risk need to be worthed
what you think ?

I assume that you are a beginner when it comes on trading.
@OP, I'm not a pro but let me say something to you. Trading isn't working the way you think it is.
The volatility of an asset depends on the whole market itself.
If you want those coins that has very high volatility, those are most probably are shitcoins with their pump and dump scheme.
But be careful of this because shitcoins are such a high risk trading investment.

More to say, we will NOT ALL get riched on crypto trading as per the fact that there are winners and losers (sometimes neutral) when we trade.

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Can we control "volatility"? Should the market always behaves and adjust on the way we want?

Just go with the flow and ride the current trend. Don't need to go technical about that concern.

Quote from: cryptoboss2020 on September 29, 2020, 09:01:13 AM

we are all in crypto to get rich but if the market not working we can not get rich there is high risk so at least this risk need to be worthed

The whole market can't be controlled. Different people have different approaches.

There's no solution to your concern honestly so I think it will remain on your head for a long period. Just let the market works by itself while you are watching on the progress.

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I totally disagree with this, we need to learn to live with stable prices and we do not need volatility to keep us going. If the only thing that makes people interested in bitcoin is the fact that it is a volatile currency and you could trade it to make more profit, that means you are not doing it right, you are not even interested in bitcoin itself, you are interested in making a profit in fiat and that is why you should not be here at all.

Bitcoin should be something you like even without making profit, obviously you shouldn't like it if you make losses because that is not a good feeling but if the price is stable and you are not losing money that doesn't mean just because you are not making a profit you should be away from it, just keep it going no matter what.

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Quote from: cryptoboss2020 on September 29, 2020, 09:01:13 AM

we need more volatility more bigger bull or bear

defi was allmost like this but its not enough i spoken with traders the spark and momemntum is missing on the markets.
we need more volatility more up and down like daily 1000% bear or bull is good i let run just 5 minutes and i have 100% profit i cash out but now the market is slow not enough volatility defi is slow to yfi was good and fast but why stopped? let make more fast defi projects.

whos got solution for that? we are all in crypto to get rich but if the market not working we can not get rich there is high risk so at least this risk need to be worthed

what you think ?

Free advice, whenever your expectations do not match the reality that means your expectations are wrong and not reality, you want the market to pump and dump forever, that is impossible, it is known that traditional markets spend most of their time going sideways and that only show a trend during a small window of time and even the market of cryptocurrencies follows that same pattern, now you are wondering why this has stopped? Because people have woken up to the fact most of the coins claiming themselves to be DeFi coins are scams and the money has run out and as such you do not see the huge pumps you were used to, it seems the majority of investors have adjusted but you have not done so, why is that?

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Quote from: btc_angela on September 29, 2020, 06:35:48 PM

Market will not adjust to you, it's you that needs to adjust and see how the market moves and make money. Well this is possible for altcoin market specially shit coins that can be pump by signal group, but for bitcoin? Nah, hard to manipulate, yes there are whales in the bitcoin market but it's hard seeing the colluding with each other. So sorry to inform you that we don't have that kind of solution here.

Surely market will not going to adjust to be able to fit it for you. You must be the one who need to adjust and need to study the market before you complaint. And to be honest theres no such that kind of solution that youre looking for. If that was the market value of the tolen then we must have to deal with it none of us control the market. Maybe those whales can control the market but we as individual here cant do it.

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You sound crazy for a trader, I mean have you even think 1,000% daily would be a good image for Bitcoin in the long run? We have a lot of critics right now saying that Bitcoin is not appropriate to become money simply because it is too volatile that if businesses accept it and just hold it for a few minutes there is a chance that they'll be losing some profit and it is true. Yeah I know as a trader we like big price swings but honestly I don't think it is a good idea for Bitcoin as a currency and I don't think the newby traders will be liking this as well.

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200% growth in 6 months for Bitcoin is not enough volatility? I think we are okay now and we all know Bitcoin has the cycles of stability and then extreme volatility so do not worry, it is coming,,, just make sure that when it comes and dumps a lot you do not cry;)

When it is stable like now, time to accumulate!

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Gotta love crypto. Bored? Don't like the market any more?

Hey, make a new one.

A lot of the time nothing happens. There've been months of coma in the past across all markets. That's the norm, not the exception. If you do find an obscure corner where things are popping the chances are high it's someone looking to prey on that boredom so keep your guard up and your sense sharp.

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Quote from: cryptoboss2020 on September 29, 2020, 09:01:13 AM

we need more volatility more bigger bull or bear

defi was allmost like this but its not enough i spoken with traders the spark and momemntum is missing on the markets.
we need more volatility more up and down like daily 1000% bear or bull is good i let run just 5 minutes and i have 100% profit i cash out but now the market is slow not enough volatility defi is slow to yfi was good and fast but why stopped? let make more fast defi projects.

whos got solution for that?

LOL. Patience!

Markets range 80% of the time. It's only 20% of the time (if that) that you get crazy parabolic bull markets like 2013 or 2017. That's when you need to make your money. Bubbles don't come every day.

Defi already feels saturated. I get the feeling it won't be the "ICO" of the next bubble. Something else will be in the right place at the right time.

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It true that bigger losses or bigger profits depended on the trading skill your trading skill is high so possible bigger profits or an other side your trading skill is biggener so you can loss more and more, first dission to be make bigger loss and bigger profit or some loss and some profit everything depend very to person so exactly answare are not possible for the trading management.

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I don't think so. The market will do by itself. The more volatility will make people panic as soon as the price is down, not health for the market. If there is big news, many exchanges get hacked together, which will attract the volatility to up and down because people will be panic to hear that news. The market is going well now compared with the last year, and I guess we are on the right track to see the bull run soon. I think in these situations, we can still make a profit. As long as you can analyze the market, I am sure you will find the chance to buy low and sell high.

It's about how you can analyze the price movements because many coins move up and down. And that is our job to find a good time to enter the market. But besides that, we will see the pump and dump moment that will happen in the market.

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first of all what you are referring to, specially when it comes to scams such as DEFI or ICO, is not volatility or bear/bull. it is called pump and dumps.
secondly no trader, even the day traders wanting to make more profit, ever wants pump and dumps because they are unpredictable by nature and everyone loses money in those without exception. the "high risk" that you've already figured exists is exactly because of this fact. you can't expect a manipulation to always be profitable for you because at any moment things could go wrong for the manipulator or any other who participates in the pump and dump.

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The market is already volatile, and that's already enough to make profit and to lose money besides we cannot dictate the market and everybody to trade faster because we all have different strategies in trading, not at are day trader.

If you want to trade actively, then do it every minute and you must be ready for that. Trading is stressful, I don't like a much volatile market because I know I can't handle it considering that I'm working during weekdays. Anyway, I will still need to focus on my strategy and make money on this volatile market, the market will move on its own.

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Quote from: cryptoboss2020 on September 29, 2020, 09:01:13 AM

we need more volatility more bigger bull or bear
...
what you think ?

I think you need more distrust than you already have.

Manipulating the market is what scares ordinary folk who would otherwise be tempted to dabble in the cryptosphere and use any crypto to trade or make purchases as Bitcoin is intended to be used.

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Quote from: cryptoboss2020 on September 29, 2020, 09:01:13 AM

we need more volatility more bigger bull or bear

whos got solution for that? we are all in crypto to get rich but if the market not working we can not get rich there is high risk so at least this risk need to be worthed ...

We've got nothing, just let the market fluctuate by the use of the demand and supply. You can't do hype or even the pump and dump just to have a heavy volatile market, that's a pure manipulation to the market and it is good if the market will work organically that made by adoption of the community who are adopting crypto.

That's now how work crypto, you will not get instantly rich. In trading, there will be loss and there will be gain profit or let say, if there is a prey, there is a predator. That's how the market circulation process. Not all should be rich quickly.

Quote from: carlfebz2 on September 29, 2020, 07:33:14 PM

In talks of DeFi, when you do talk about its trend and volatility than its already anticipated because trends like these wont really last that long.

It could be a hype project if we are talking Defi price will too much have volatile. Like during ICO's project that most in a hype. But now they're gone.

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Quote from: cryptoboss2020 on September 29, 2020, 09:01:13 AM

we need more volatility more bigger bull or bear

defi was allmost like this but its not enough i spoken with traders the spark and momemntum is missing on the markets.
we need more volatility more up and down like daily 1000% bear or bull is good i let run just 5 minutes and i have 100% profit i cash out but now the market is slow not enough volatility defi is slow to yfi was good and fast but why stopped? let make more fast defi projects.

whos got solution for that? we are all in crypto to get rich but if the market not working we can not get rich there is high risk so at least this risk need to be worthed

what you think ?

So you do like a bubble type of market? Sounds not appealing to me.

Of course this is a free market which its either can moved in slow or fast pace price movement.Lucky for you if you do able to extract out 100% in a short span of time but actually
this is really much more riskier.People who do had gambling like mind will sure love on this kind of pace but for people who do love on making risk as less as possible then
we would much prefer on a gradual and not like bubble type of market.

In talks of DeFi, when you do talk about its trend and volatility then its already anticipated because trends like these wont really last that long.

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Quote from: btc_angela on September 29, 2020, 06:35:48 PM

Market will not adjust to you, it's you that needs to adjust and see how the market moves and make money. Well this is possible for altcoin market specially shit coins that can be pump by signal group, but for bitcoin? Nah, hard to manipulate, yes there are whales in the bitcoin market but it's hard seeing the colluding with each other. So sorry to inform you that we don't have that kind of solution here.

Finding such solutions like that won't work as expected through aggressiveness, and I think a mindset of a possible bullrun could never become an inspiration. Particularly shitcoins just made us frustrated by the time it gets worst, and never generate good increase as bearish market won't correct itself. Whales can use their money over creating hype, but not all of them can risk on altcoins.

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Market will not adjust to you, it's you that needs to adjust and see how the market moves and make money. Well this is possible for altcoin market specially shit coins that can be pump by signal group, but for bitcoin? Nah, hard to manipulate, yes there are whales in the bitcoin market but it's hard seeing the colluding with each other. So sorry to inform you that we don't have that kind of solution here.

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we need more volatility more bigger bull or bear

defi was allmost like this but its not enough i spoken with traders the spark and momemntum is missing on the markets.
we need more volatility more up and down like daily 1000% bear or bull is good i let run just 5 minutes and i have 100% profit i cash out but now the market is slow not enough volatility defi is slow to yfi was good and fast but why stopped? let make more fast defi projects.

whos got solution for that? we are all in crypto to get rich but if the market not working we can not get rich there is high risk so at least this risk need to be worthed

what you think ?

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