Topic: Western countries corporations needs more consumers and more people who buy (Read 265 times)

By the way, another question - why is the emphasis on WESTERN companies ? 

In other companies - there is no need for BUYERS ?
We can start for example with the Chinese economy, which is globally dependent on BUYERS.

Or maybe someone can share the situation in his country - manufacturers do not need buyers there ? In Asia, Africa, Oceania ... ? ?  Does the market work differently there? 

PS I assume that there will be no answer to my question

population growth is increasing, from all of that they consume a lot of food that comes from nature, in reality green land is decreasing year by year due to development and they are eliminating the green land, which they need, with companies taking over their land for development, that's what happens.

Why do we need an ever expanding population, like you suggest? That's part of the reason that we have runaway climate change, as we deplete all natural resources and use them in very short term ways. Most people can barely support themselves these days, so it is increasingly tough to consider bringing children into the world and this is probably partly the fault of unregulated capitalism, which is consolidating wealth instead of sharing it across more people. Why should the people of these countries care that big corporation's want them to spend more? Big corporations would rather see you empty your bank accounts and become heavily in debt if it would sell more products - it's completely irrelevant to the average citizen.

That the economy needs consumers is a FACT !
Let me start with a simple example from your text.
“We choose consuming and profit others so what can we do we choose super wealth.” - you are talking about some “others and their profits. And now let's look at it from the other side - and for example your business, business or even the work of your friends and relatives, will they generate income if everyone refuses to “buy for their profit” ? Production and provision of services gives the market, or rather people, to produce goods, provide services, and GET INCOME that will allow them to provide for their lives - buy clothes, food, medicine, pay for their children's education, insurance, help their parents !
Therefore, in the commodity-money model of the world (and there is no other yet), the consumer makes the economy work, and gives jobs to many people ! Just simulate a situation when your services/work will be refused - how will you feel ? Just honestly describe your actions, and what is important - the problems you will have!

Capitalist system doesn't serve to benefit every participants in the society, it rather serves to benefit a few who posseses economic power against the multitude who don't.  And moreover, there's no system where there's no rewards pattern in respect to the examples you made above.
Greed isn't just a requirement but a necessity entrenched within the capitalist mode of production. You can't sweep it it under the carpet the fact that capitalism promotes unhealthy competitions in the society and it's this unhealthy competitions that leads to exploitation of man against man born out of the greed to have more and more. The proponents posit it to engender freedom but let's look inwardly, are we really free under the system. In conclusion, I disagree with you that it's one that it's preferably favourable to the average citizen, it doesn't

What about those goods that are not for consumption? I think the Op is correct. The Western Industries are looking for more consumers to consume their goods. And I will like to add it to what the Op has said. Because of the over production of goods in the recent times the Europe and other continents, and they want to sell their products at all means, so they sponsored some bad elements in the African countries to create disorders by killing farmers and kidnapping. The capitalist system is destroying the African continent.
Herdsmen were sponsored by the capitalist from the West to kill and reduce the food production in the African continent so they the west can bring in their products. And African leaders are so much corrupt that they can't do anything to sustain the crisis. In Africa right now, we are facing "Food Colonialism". And it can you nly be stopped by closing all the boarders and produce our things.

Greed isn't a requirement in order to be a capitalist or to make capitalism work. Everyone is capitalist by nature, as we constantly seek to execute tasks to be rewarded for them as consequence. Everything we do comes with a goal in mind. If you study a subject, you expect to become wiser, if you work, you expect to be paid, if you love, you expected to be loved in counterpart. That is the basic gear of an harmonious capitalist system where every participants can be benefited and thrive accordingly to their own efforts and merits.

And even if people around don't adopt capitalist practices in a healthy way (becoming greedy abusers or cheaters), you can continue acting as your conscience tells you to do. It's not a perfect system, because it's ran by imperfect individuals, but from every systems available and tried by humans along the centuries and millennia, it's the preferable one for the average citizen who isn't partnered with any structures of power inside the local society where he is inserted.

This is sort of right and wrong at the same time. I mean they do not need more customers, they need more consumption that part is true, but assume that you are apple and you want to sell iphones, isn't more consumption means more customers?

How many phones could one person have, one? two? five max? Like even as a super wealthy person, you would have just a few and not more, whereas they could make everyone buy it and could make more money that way.

So, more customers do mean more consumption in most cases. Of course there are companies who could just increase the consumption of the customers they already have and be richer, I am sure that type of products do exist, but that is why I said both right and wrong at the same time, because while it's true what you said for some companies, it's better to have more customers for some companies. With that in mind, I think it's easier to say that we are going to see companies need people spend more and more money, so the logic stands.

We cannot spend more and more money when you think about how little our salary is, so they will increase the inflation, to make their shareholders happy with our increasing spending, when in fact we spend same, just the numbers are higher due to inflation.

OP bring up an interesting point about the way Western countries are tackling economic issues related to population and consumption. It is true that economies today heavily depend on population growth which leads to an increase in consumption, thereby resulting in economic growth. When the population is not growing at a pace fast enough, other than consumer numbers by immigration, Western countries use them. This is one way for the economy to keep running against these policies' risks and challenges.
 as you said, there isn't a perfect answer.

How nations are to proceed with this, is a bone of contention, given the long-run socio-economic implications. Ultimately, it is the trade-off between economic development and social order that policymakers have to care most about.

Illegal immigration shouldn't be encouraged at all because it distorts the economic plans of many countries. It puts pressure on social amenities and could lead to an increase in crime. However, I support flexible immigration policies to attract the needed labour to a particular country. Migrating to another country shouldn't be too difficult because this is what encourages illegal immigration. Some legal immigrants contribute positively to the development of many countries.

Right-wing groups are powerless if there are no viable means to cover the shortage in labour. Except the birth rate of most Western countries increases or there is a technological advancement in the AI sector (to replace humans), immigrants will be needed to compliment the local labour force. China and other developed nations have started giving incentives to families to motivate them to give birth to more children. However, this policy is not yielding much fruit due to years of promoting a low birth rate. As you said, if the right-wingers win elections and apply their anti-immigration policies, it will affect the economy.  The people will get tired of this policy and kick them out. An immigration-friendly government will be voted, to attract immigrants. They will keep going around in this cycle until there is a lasting solution.         

From taxes off course Because a lot people don't work but they still need to consume.
So goverment will fund those things and corporations are happy they got low taxes and a lot consumers becouse goverment will fund consumers from the taxes wich is taken from the workers or small business ceo-s becouse small business have highet tax rules.

Closing the borders and kicking out immigrants isn't the final solution, just like the OP has said, business need to strive, population growth helps to strengthen business because of high production and consumption it comes with. Is easier said than done, when things get afresh as your proposing, will the indigenous citizens agree to be hired as cheap labourer for companies that cannot pay high wages, these are some of the question we should be asking ourselves because most times we don't see the bigger picture while accommodating people, moreover most of these immigrants we are talking about are highly legal.

Let's just go with what you said that businesses "would hurt", my question is, how do you generate income from the scratch and pay wages and tax to the citizens when you don't have strong reliable business environment to boost productivity.

While it's true that getting immigrants to a nation would help a boss, because it would mean they could get cheap labour, those people will eventually become legal, and will eventually want to live a better life, even if they do not, their kids will, so all in all you need constant income of illegal immigrants to keep the business going, and that's not a permeant solution, it will not happen forever with the rate they would want.

If the amount gets too high, right wing "let's close our borders and kick all illegals out" will win every election, and will do what they promise to do, so business would hurt and then everything will start over from fresh. This should be the most important base, we need to focus on that part.

That's a weird view you have on population!
The problem is also not just inflation alone. The cost of living has been very high in the West for a long time and it has only gotten worse over time. The recent economic crises over the past 2-3 years has made things even worse as inflation went up and to battle that they started increasing the interest rates.
Interest rates cause recession, to put simply it means people will have less money to spend.

So in this scenario, increased population (more consumers) is not only won't help anything since they don't have any money to purchase anything, but also it will increase the cost for the government which would then increase the budged deficit which would then lead to printing more money which would then lead to more inflation which would then lead to increased interest rates to battle it which would then make recession worse which would then decrease the purchasing power of people more!
Do you see the chain reaction? It's like dominos.

Business need to venture and spend budget for marketing in order to attract potential loyal customers though, just sticking with the existing customer not doing any marketing will risk them losing the regeneration of loyal customers, so it does make sense that some business are looking for new customers actively, the proof is the effort of big corporations worth billions to put out big budget for marketing.

not to mention if the company is out in public market the investors are always pushing the company to set higher record of annual revenue growth and so on.
so expanding business is the only way for most of the companies.

The only immigration you can regulate is the legal one.
All developed nations have a long list of requirements for a legal immigrant.
As long as asylum is offered people will arrive.   

Western nations are facing a decline in birth rate, which is why they will need immigrants to cover up for labor shortages. A friend who is in the UK told me that some anti-immigration citizens claim that immigrants are taking their jobs away from them. However, he indicated that these citizens will not accept the kind of work immigrants do. Immigrants can do any kind of job to survive because some of them are fleeing violence, war, or economic hardship in their home country. Most European economies will go through hard times without immigrants.

Business owners in the Western world will favor a less stringent immigration policy because it will enable them to access cheap labor and also sell their goods and services. Many organization such as universities and other industries complained that most of them might go bankrupt if the conservative government of Rishi Sunak continue with his anti-immigration policies.

Western nations also need markets so sell thier products which is why they are always seeking close diplomatic relationship with other countries. One of the biggest market is Africa, this is why most world powers are scrambling to indirectly control these countries. The beauty about building relationship with Africa is that they have high population, raw materials and lack technology. These world powers can easily exploit raw materials, access cheap labour and sell finished products.

It is true that in this regard, most Western countries are generally challenged by slowing population growth and an aging population, which influences economic expansion and consumer demand. With this in mind, it would be common for most governments and businesses to employ such techniques as low-interest loans to motivate economic activity, thereby ensuring greater demand for services and goods. This, in turn, often results in imports of goods from China and other countries. However, the problem is that local populations grow too slowly to satisfy consumption.

Based on what I have read the policies of companies and financial institutions are primarily oriented to profits and growth. Therefore, they adopt policies that ensure an increase in consumer spending and investment. These can include acknowledging such trade-offs as likely price increases or social issues because of immigration. For example, while immigration contributes to the construction of an economy, followed by the rise in consumer demand, the problems it causes are hard to handle.

It is true that most western countries in this case, generally slowing population growth, aging population, affecting economic expansion and consumer needs Keeping this in mind, it will which is common for most governments and businesses to use mechanisms such as loans with low interest rates to spur economic activity Imported. The problem, however, is that the population in the area grows too slowly to keep up with consumption.

The policies of corporations and financial institutions are primarily based on profitability and growth. Therefore, policies are adopted to increase consumer spending and investment. These might be price increases due to immigration or by the realization of such trade as a social problem. For instance, although immigration remains a sure way of bringing about economic growth and, therefore, consumer demand growth, the impacts are quite complex

Lastly, inflation in regions such as the UK reflects equilibrium of economic growth and stability with fluctuations of interest rates and cost of living Finally, circular monetary policy impacting policy on various incentives, such as lowered interest rates, targets managing market conditions, and sustaining corporate profit

Ultimately, it must be borne in mind that even though population growth through immigration may serve to generate economic reward, it in the end can never be a panacea for deeper issues of income inequality or broader structural economic pressures, let alone development. In this respect, it is a very complex balance of socio-economic stability in the face of challenges to solve each of these interacting results.

It is and people know that but look at the decisions they have made before.

That is a huge error.
In a global economy thinking about others could have avoided the stampede into the EU/GB or USA.
Politicians think like you. Short term, short and no vision.

How have you come to this conclusion, is there any stat to back this up. Generally, every company looks to expand, it does not matter where this company is based, they try to reach as many customers as possible, i don't think it is peculiar to any location.

That being said, as regards immigration, i see that it is mostly people from third world countries who are struggling to move to these western countries for greener pastures.

  Somehow it could be true, because consumption increments also depends on population growth as years goes on and it's population that makes up loyal users. And the advancement of industrialization in the West and some parts of Europe has tremendously increased the production level without a corresponding increment in population to meet consumption target. A situation that has forced some countries of the West and Europe to open their doors for immigrants as a solution. While some others have adoption a massive exportation of these goods/services to the less industrialized and developing countries.

What do you expect from a capitalist society, the motivating force has always been that of greed with an  unending drive for profit leading to competitive primitive accumulation of scarce resources.  Creating more problems than it solves.

You're describing a Ponzi scheme on a global scale.  This endless pursuit of growth is part of the problem. It fuels overconsumption and inequality, while taxing our planet. 

I used to have the more is better mindset too.  But the key is balance and sustainability.  With so many people struggling, how can we justify excessive wealth and waste? Perhaps we need a mindset shift - from quantity to quality, from accumulation to purpose and  one person's frugality enables another's basic needs.  It's complex but were all connected.

If the music stops, as they say, the most vulnerable will suffer most.  So we should think hard about how to build a just, equitable and sustainable world.  No easy answers but complacency helps no one.

Life is too short to think about others.
If you got opportunity richer you get more expenses you will more money you will need and you always needy because so many things what taking your money.

The greed of the west for profit is going to be its ruin. Greed leads to bad choices, which usually put quantity over quality. It's possible to profit on both ways, by prioritizing quantity or quality, although the later demands more effort, labor and patience, being incongruous with the modern immediatist and greedy mindset of our days. As consequence, quality starts decreasing worldwide, as companies copy the chinese production model. We can see this on different industries, including the most essential one: food industry.

Common citizens are seen as sheep or cattle by the ones at the top. All the political agendas just reflect it. Politicians, bureaucrats and businessmen don't care about "minorities", religious principles and values, spirituality, common welfare, freedom, justice and so on... They just use these concepts as slogans to manipulate the masses and reach their final goal: profit and dominance.

Anyway, there must exist something beyond this human mediocrity, and that is what fuels hope in the hearts of those who truly believe and seek the Truth, which is forgotten and ignored by this society of sophists.

This is not true, companies do not need more consumers, but they want more consumption. Many companies are looking for loyal users, and this is the main goal of advertising, as it increases the consumer base. Therefore, if the percentage of loyal users is 1%, the company will continue to make profits. As for immigration and labor issues, each country has its own individual situation, and it is one of the important issues that are the reason for the victory or defeat of political candidates.

Western countries needs more consumers and buyers who buy things.
When there was 2021 then goverments and banks produced by cheap loans a lot money to business and corporations so they hired a lot people to work and ordered a lot goods from china to sell.
The Western countries cant produce babies fast enough and more as it's needed in order to have population large enough who consume more and buy more If more people then bankers can supply society with bigger money more loans and less risk of inflation.
So thats why the more people been imported in from other countries becouse UK canada Europe usa own people can't meet the demands of corporations who want to see bigger profit and bigger numbers of money becouse they also have investors and share holders who want to see bigger numbers and better grouwth.
Off course one problem brings another problem but we have to choose If we want to have a lot wealth then we have to sacrafice some things to get them.
If i would be the banker or corporation ceo and i know that mass imigration will have side effects and issues but the same time i can make a lot money so off course i will choose money and wealth If things goes bad i'll just go another countries where is nice and good society.
The goverments the political leaders the bankers and investors want to see grouwth and economic boom and profit so each year they try to get better numbers and return.
Even tho UK have quite high inflation and cost of living high the bank of england did cut rates recently yes it will make UK pound value even less but corporations want money flow.
And now we wait when stockmarket fall further in USA so USA can cut rates Also.

There is no easy Fix and everything comes with the price and sacrafices one way or another.
We choose consuming and profit others so what can we do we choose super wealth.

But Western countries people not productive to make new Young consumers so that's why country need to take in more people btw in Europe countries who did took in people the european Union paid them money also for each person who been hired for work so that's how we can keep economy growth and booming.

But the amount of money and inflation + people ratio not healthy enough If we want to continue same or more consuming and giving out more loans and stimulus packages and try to make corporations balance sheets better and more profit for share holders then it's for sure we need more people and up coming middle east war Will make a lot more to come Western countries and then we can do even higher economic boom.

The corporations want more consumers that's for sure so Any people who come it's never enough for them.
If Western countries people can make more Kids? Lol i don't think so