Topic: What are signs that you live in a dystopia? (Read 221 times)

Please fix your quotes, i had to do it for you for this reply. And in the future, refer to the numbers you made yourself, so it's less confusing to read.

1. This is just not true. Fiat money isn't commodity money and doesn't work like that, nor it is supposed to be. It doesn't have intrinsic value. Dollar hasn't been defined by gold value since 70's.

2. Sorry to hear about that.

3. I am guessing that here you are referring to your points 4 and 5. But that was a weird link from defending to killing one self. There are several free ways that people have used to end their life painlessly that haven't involved firearms or euthanasia, i am not however explaining how, or advocating it in anyway, especially for people with history of depression. Please seek help for yourself and not hurt yourself.

4. Again, i think you are referring your point nr5. I didn't suggest anything and i don't know what you are talking about. You said that you aren't allowed to defend yourself and now you are saying that you couldn't defend yourself?

5. Here you are talking about your point 8, but it doesn't seem to be a reply to my answer, but to some imaginary answer.

6. This sounds like loneliness more than dystopia.

7. I was merely asking a question about your point 12, you are assuming what i mean. And it doesn't sound like you are making enough money for your work. Sorry to hear about that.

8. I don't even know to which answer this is supposed to be a reply, but i am not American and you should wear a rubber if you are conserned. And especially if you're not. But grow out from your bigotry and homophobia. And if you don't understand the causality, maybe you should not talk crap. You yourself have said you have been mentally ill. Is this because of your heterosexuality? Or loneliness? That you don't fit in? Guess what groups have hard time fitting in?

9. This is about your point 14. And that doesn't mean you can't own property, it means you canno't afford property.

11. This is about your point 16. I don't care why would you care about repairs of some crappy car that you don't even own? Just buy cars that are made in 1997 then.

12. This is about your point 17. Porn addiction is about your body chemistry only, hence it's literally natural by the very definition of the word.

People don't have much in common with each other nowadays. Relationships last for short periods of time, because people tend to get bored of each other quite fast for minor reasons, or no reasons at all. Modern people are heavily emotionally and fragile, but lack developing deeper feelings with deeper meanings which create strong and long-lasting bonds. Somehow, it's related to the relativist mindset of the present era, where everything depends and there aren't truths anymore.

It leads to the trivialization of feelings, traits and values which were highly estimated previously, such as honor, loyalty, love, admiration, care. Those genuine concepts don't exist anymore, therefore the relationships have frozen, and people only admire and care for another person, as long as there is money involved or any other kinds of material rewards.

The subtlety has died, and as consequence we are forced to exist in a dystopian world, where apathy and fake social interactions reign supreme.

Although I also read explanations about "dystopian", I also suddenly realized that the surrounding life is full of different spaces that exist such as heaven, hell,... perhaps The attitude we have towards our own life will help us realize what its nature. I once had discussions about heaven with a priest, and also shared the opinion that that is the present and the attitude we are facing, not a colorful place with angels,.... but right now we don't look at time, we just know that we are aware of it. So this is what each of us feels about life itself through our senses and consciousness, perhaps these are also true sharings under the OP's feelings.

With some of the points i didn't include, i actually agree with, but:

Fiat money was never supposed to sustain value in a long run. That's not the purpose of it.

Don't know where you live where that's a huge problem. But usually you can deduct that from taxes.

It's always a personal choice, and you don't even know from the outside if someone is physically suffering.

This feels like troll movement. Yes, you get jailed for killing someone when they attack you. Otherwise people would use "i was defending myself" as an excuse for injuring or murdering people.And every case is individual and different. Justice is never perfect, but people who choose to pick random events from headlines without decent context to defend that argument. Are often the same people who are afraid that they would be called cowards when they would have to stand up and defend some injustice, and they are too afraid to do that. So they turn to "it's illegal to even try, otherwise i would".

It should be questionable, especially when experts argues aganst it. Then, a common sense doesn't mean a squat.

I don't know what your friends got to do with your money. Pick better friends who don't mind you are poor.

After what expenses? You are lucky to keep that if they are necessary expenses.

If you don't live in places like Russia, China or NK, where speaking against government can get you killed, you are pretty safe. Unless you are using that "truth" to insult and being an asshole in general while doing that.

Where do you live where buying property is illegal?

When you need to only care about cheap cost effectiness, design doesn't really matter. But i agree with you that could be something worth making an effort.

How is fixing something, that needs repairing a dystopian nightmare?

Addiction in general is a human thing and we can't really get rid of it, but what even is natural relationship if i so rarely even see it, and why is that important?

In a dystopia signs may include oppressive government control, limited freedom of speech, extreme social inequality, lack of resources, environmental degradation, suppression of individuality, fear, censorship, privacy loss & absence of justice.

Just take a look at what China does to it's people and how they fake things to make it seem like they're really doing fine and that they're not doing it for the facade that they're doing fine. China with how they do things, they're basically at the point that they're embodying the book 1984 by George Orwell. Basically, any signs that your police force is being armed to the teeth and people that shouldn't be in power is abusing their power and the general freedom to express opinion and speech is being oppressed is usually signs that you're almost living in a dystopia. In fact, I've made a mistake of setting China as an example when North Korea and Eritrea is a real life dystopia already.

The most dystopian thing could be democracy and politics. It's understandable that an autocracy or dictatorship might not make decisions that are always in favor for the population but in democracy, the elected politician have the responsibility to act on the behalf of the people who elected them, work according to the peoples mandate. But that is not the case. The democracy is not far away from autocracy in matter of misuse of power and being corrupt in favor of oligarchs. The only difference it remains is the democracy is lot more expensive whose expense is covered by taking more taxes. No wonder autocracy has been flourishing in 21st century. At least people would have a constant policy to work with.

I knew the people from Japan could be racist and xenophobe, but I had no idea they could be like that against a group of people who look exactly like them and speak their own official national language, that is quite strange. I would have guessed they'd were only hostile against foreigners and assylum seekers, but this is a completely different level of distrimination. It kind of reminds me the system of castes within the Indian society, though I don't know which one of those two are the most brutal, and discriminatory to the "lowest class on the system".
At least, there iseems to be group and human right organizations which advocate for the end of discrimination of that "minority" in Japan. Truly, it would seem we human beings seeks for the minimal differences on other so we can judge and separate our group from the other groups. I means me think what would happen when more Muslim people more into Japan...

It doesn't sound right to say racism is a human nature, the idea only tries to justify any form of dehumanization inflicted on others by any racist or group of racists who in anyway see themselves better suited or superior than others.what do we say about the caste system which to me is an unfair social stratification system ideologized by those it favours how much more racism which is the worst in it's order.  Generally, dystopian society has to do with a dysfunctional state of things in that society of which racism includes.

Those are the things that could lead to anarchy in a country because if the citizens does not longer have the right for anything when they are living in a Democratic government that approve so many right for people and through the power the government have they refuse to allow people express themselves, it could result to a big issue because some of the problems most countries are facing through there citizens could sometimes be as a result of hardship were there currency does not have good value and things are very costly making the living very difficult for people.

Sure, including technicalities of todays era such as technologies and AI that're built for sophisticated reasons all in projections of inciting wars and commitmenta of criminal activities.
Also as you'd be nothing to the society when you're poor but highily recognized and honoured when you're riches including the threatening high temperatures of the atmosphere like the world would melt down somedays due to deforestation.

90% of the people are even more lived their lives in that situation not just now but always, and only things are changing but not the situation. Anything can be considered as sign, apart from porn addiction now exposing body parts is the new trend and Kardashians became rich that way but it doesn't mean everyone has to be like that to make money but due to the high social media influence people consume such kind and they get used to it and now it became the new normal.

yes acutely the lack of privacy is the biggest sign that cannot be looked over at all.
as for degeneracy I mean how old are you?
how many porn addicted you knew 10 years ago?
and not just porn, ultra porn such as PMV and Gooning and many other form is what I meant in degeneracy, it ain't normal at all my friend.




it's not the first time, I mean just search where the name "Banana republic" came from, they literally destroyed cites and created famines and wars that killed tens of thousand and caused the displacement of hundreds of thousands and for what? so three companies get 2 dollar extra profit per Banana ton.




Racism is a human nature my friend, just look up the "Burakumin" in Japan.
they are Ethnic Japanese yet they get treated differently than other Japanese .
in 2024 Japan is 98% Japanese and before that they were more than 99.3% and yet those people been treated worse than animals since 500 B.C.
hell you can't even see the difference between them and other Japs but since there are no minority Japanese people created their own minority and start to be racist against them.
Racism is human nature my friend, even the Ethno states such as Japan have racism.

To be fair, it would be quite difficult for the average person to make money off this Ukrainianl-Rudsia situation if you asked me. Those who are profiting the most are the OCs and big stakeholders of defense companies and weaponry factories, in the end those are the one how are given the taxpayers money in order to fund and war, it does not matter whether the average taxpayer is for it against the war, he directly contributed with the use of their own money.
As I said Apathy is the root of all bad kind which could go wrong when we talk about an dystopian world or society.
And the way many ignore the war and try to ignore there are hundreds of innocent people getting their life ruined and murdered as "collateral damage"

I am quite sure we are already heading to very weird and challenging times, the unprecedented happeninalgs continues to show up on the news...

Our money is already worth less right now as fait continues to do its thign which is to lose value, your list here seems more like a teenager stuff than adult signs, an adult should have fixed his porn addiction and have gotten a real relationship that should be leading to marriage. Real dystopia is a mind game and its your choice to be free, I don't believe I am trapped in any circle of doing same thign or whatsoever.

You are absolutely right, there are things that are really happening in this world but people are actually afraid to say it out our express themselves, because they are afraid that their lives might be danger, that is they can be killed or imprisoned for expressing their selves.

So seeing people doing as they like as if there is no law or rules governing them, it's not something that is funny but since our leaders are comfortable with it and also want us to dance to their tune even when they know we are not okay with it. But we pray for God to continue protecting us and be with us.

A dystopian society is characterized with many different characters and models. And in my opinion every society in the world now is a dystopian society just that some are worst off than others. We can find different characterstics that exists ranging from all that the Op listed and in extension to many others. AFAIK, a  society where racism exist is a dystopian, where poverty and illiteracy is the order of the day, where oppression is so conspicuous with no one doing anything about it, where there is a high increase in greenhouse gas affecting the atmosphere etc.

First, When you are no longer moving freely in the society, which is a signs that you are living in dystopian and it can be handle when the leaders in the society have the mind of the people at heart by providing security to help people to move freely in the society.

Secondly, when there is a consistent of inflation in the society without a solution, which is another sign  that you are living in dystopian and it will make you not to live well in the society, but it can be cure if the leaders of the society can budget a huge amount of money to tackle the situation and it will be turn to deflation in the society.

Thirdly, when you continue seeing injustice in the judiciary, which is another sign that you are living in a dystopian but it can be handle by the leaders and the followers of the society by standing on their ground to reject it from the society.

Wars in different regions and nobody cares but instead they are using it to make money and see it as normal. Isreal in the name of retaliating are killing innocent civilians mostly children and women and they are still having backups. Nobody is saying anything.

Females are almost walking naked or walking naked on the street and display their bodies in TV saying that it is fashion and people are copying them.

Expect destruction of this dystopian world.

The thing that Jesus did was, Jesus came and took better control over Satan's invention/creation (destruction) than Satan had. Jesus went so far as to start the process of destroying destruction. We will see the completion of it when this universe is destroyed and a new universe comes into being from God.

    Behold, I will create new heavens and a new earth. The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind.
    [Isaiah 65:17]

and

    That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, the home of righteousness.
    [2 Peter 3:12b,13]

The point of all this is that we can be absolutely certain that Satan's destruction has been set in place, his evil is being destroyed, even if we don't see the completion of it, yet. So, it's worth repeating what St. Paul says in Romans 8:31-39:
    What, then, shall we say in response to this? If God is for us, who can be against us? He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all—how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all things? Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. Who is he that condemns? Christ Jesus, who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? As it is written:

        "For your sake we face death all day long; we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered."
        [Psalm 44:22]

    No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

To me, any dystopian scenario, regardless of the political context begins with the people becoming apathetic to their surroundings and the things going on around then and which affect them directly or affect others, and yet, they choose to ignore it because apathy.
People commiting suicide and people not caring about it it is a clear sign of an ongoing historian societal path, the loss of honesty among people and the appreciation of others as people is another sign of degeneration of society into a dystopia.
I am not sure about on your point about porn addiction and "degeneracy", because that is rather a relative point of view. To some couples, kissing before marriage is wrong, so is sexual intercourse, on the other hand, those kinds of behavior are completely normal between couples.

I would also include the lack of privacy and the outlawing of cryptography among civilians as part of becoming a dystopian society, being watch all the time and getting our information being marketed, which is sadly something going on as we speak...

What are signs that you live in a dystopia?

1-Constely seeing ads for products that you can't afford nor you need

2-Money became worthless by the day

3-Having to pay more than 5% of your salary just to get to the job that give that salary

4-Seeing a medical places that offer Euthanasia even for the physical well

5-Not allowed to defend yourself

6-seeing ads where ever you go, they want to take every last Dollar you earn

7-Two side of everything, either with them or against them (and you are evil if you go against them)

8-Common sense become questionable

9-Can't afford smoking or alcohol or the usual cope method for the poor class

10-Have to work 60 hours a week to get a decent living

11-Everything is about money, no friendship or anything really

12-Can't keep more than 10% of your salary to the end of the month

13-Spekaing the truth will lead you to jail or ruin your life

14-Can't own property and have to spend the rest of your life paying for rent

15-soulless building and soviet blocks, nobody care about the artist touch

16-Logistical support is the main profit source, everything needs repairs periodically

17-Porn addiction and degeneracy become a known phenomenon, you rarely see a natural relationship

these are my personal signs