Topic: What are the putinists doing in lybia? (Read 635 times)

Believe the putinists propaganda that quadafi or what ever dictator for life is good... i don't care.

For knolwedge it's america fault for charle martel? Or the siege of vienna... at least you got your rubbles, you aren't too much in danger but can't still not play with the oligarchs... hehehe.

No one asked the Americans what they were doing in Iraq and when they destabilized Libya by overthrowing Gaddafi and eventually making it a hub for terrorists. I am sure they are to to fix the mess the Americans started in the first place by destabilizing the region.

No no i said russian armed forces are forced to obey order of the putinists. They are a few of them in syria... i wouldn't be even surprised that the chechens were send there to die...

Anyway, this is about lybia. What are russians doing in lybia? Old files of putin/quaddafi/berlusconi to recuperate? Those video must be highly valued.

You deny reports of the deaths of Russian soldiers in Syria? You believe Putin who says that in Syria no Russian? And in Ukraine too, no? The Russians only seem friendly. In fact, they blindly believe in Putin and support his policies.

LoL it's just that they can't get civilians descent jobs, it's all the foreign workers who get them. And no, don't believe they go voluntarly in syria... there is nothing more foreign to russians than that. It's just the putin/gazprom gang and those who didn't find better option.

Let ukraine on the side it's really a russia story. But syria... this is the leader fanstasm of putin, assad the great, putin the great... little worms fightin over mud while birds fly by.

Furthermore putin doesn't let any native opposition arise. First the loots and new stream would be at risk and the paranoia of the return of the western raiders.

You have no idea how the west lost a great opportunity with russia rebirth in the 90's but when the potus is banging his assistant... what could you expect.

The spoils of war problem... very hard to manage after final collapse of soviet union (with all western effort it couldn't be maintain any longer) and what is the strength of the west (the raiders and others financial operators) was just totally gone berzek in russia. Free for all and in the middle the unexpecting docile soviet people who got humiliated like never before. First everything they were taught was pullverized in a few days, their so called leaders became the muppets they really were and worst,  all their dignity was gone. They become beggars.

So yes some russians try to play hard, but those will be the first to fold. Why? Because they know that there they see the hidden sight of the west... raiders not for money but for safety... they know how violent it was only for profits...

This is a fairly common mistake. In fact, the majority of Russian support the aggressive policy of Putin. You can justify all you want, but it they vote for Putin. That they voluntarily go to fight in Ukraine and Syria. They believe themselves above the nation which is afraid of the world.

This is it: Putinists don't want peace.

However russians aren't putinists, they just saw the worst of the west combined with the worst of the soviet fall... like in the movie avatar, financial raiders meet corrupt kgb thugs under drunken president yeltsin (not drunk by alcohol but by the immensity of the looting operations).

So yes russians want peace but not as slaves of a few greedy oligarchs.

So please distinguish between the putinists and the russians...

I think that the events in Syria is just the beginning. While Trump will be engaged in restoring order in Syria, the Russians will open a second front in Libya. Then I think they will destabilize the situation around Iran. Russians do not want peace in the middle East. They will do everything to support the war and not allow middle East countries to trade freely with oil.

Sadly for me the problem is always those outside forces who wish to leverage the liberation of a country for their own little corrupt gains rather than let the global market and the locals find a prosperous and harmonious future together

For example it's not pratical to break up lybia or federalize it as long as those outside forces always try to pick a side to use it.

However in witch part of the world did the russians have any positive influence? All those foreign expedition are just to try to bring the looters of russia to another place to get more loot for various domestic groups.

Again trying to push russian islam there? Furthermore if the mess in syria was not continued to help a friendly to the looters of the kremlin more attention could be put elsewhere.

Ultimately it s a weskness from the russian side. What would a global open positive harmonious world bring to the kremlin? The girls want the beach without polar bears and icebergs floating around. Russia has none.

Maybe it's only that after all...

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Wow, you are swallowing the mass media propaganda. There is no proof of the authorship about the chemical weapons, so what the fuck are you talking about? No proof, no action. Is dificult to understand?? Im really tired of seeing USA as the world savior when is absolutely the opposite.

I agree with you. Do in war mistakes happen, but Americans know how to recognize them, and no Russian. I think it's a sign of weakness and cowardice from the Russian side. I'm not talking about the fact that Russian soldiers hide behind civilians.

US military bombed hospital in Afganistan just couple of weeks ago, said it was a mistake. Your point? Does that mean Americans are Nazis? No, of course not. Even though the fact, that US military attacks foreign countries without UN approval is quite unsettling, effectively turning countrys image into that of unhinged bully.

Fighting terrorism is not a videogame, mistakes happen and you cant just autosave. Anybody with common sense can tell that winning side (ie. not the west backed Al-Qaida in Syria) doesnt have motivation to use weapons of mass destruction on its own territory. It would serve no purpose as they need both infrastructure and people to rebuild after the conflict ends. Rebels/terrorist lost all major engagements during the past two years, currently "governing" between 10-15% of overall country population.

These are plain facts, not some bizzare speculation as to who false flag who.

Putinists do no good. You forgot how the Russians bombed Aleppo? Or do you not know about the use in Syria of chemical weapons? Still need to investigate who exactly used chemical weapons. I would not be surprised if it was the Russians. The Americans only bombed the airbase. None of the Tomahawk fell on residential neighborhoods. Who acts humane?

You should return your college tuition perhaps.

Lybia has had no government ever since NATO bombed it into stone age during Arab Spring. I am not even going into just how plain stupid the OP was with his "time for burials" Easy to be tough via internet, huh?

Meanwhile. Lybia without goverment turned to tribal warfare and major human trafficking hub for african smugglers.

So, regardless the russian intentions, the country already exists only on paper. And this is NATO, not Putins doing. Russian presence if nothing else could bring western media attention back to region they left in ruins. Some clean up is well overdue.

Russia is much more diplomatic than USA. So i bet that putinists are doing better things that have done USA. You only have to see how left the country after their military intervention...worst than Gadafi. Now is a ISIS territory, enought said. The only thing have to wipe is USA hegemony

I think they are backing another tyrant Asad and have some interests in destabilizing region

They want the oil. They always want the oil. Everybody always wants the oil.

Because everything else that emerges north from the Sahara is terrible in general. Except tourists but anyone vacationing there is a suspect anyway.

Bringing war and weapons to create tensions? Trying to stop the flow of oil? Time to wipe them. They flee alive or return dead to the motherland... nice time of the year for burials.