Topic: What can stop the Russia-Ukraine crisis. (Read 415 times)

every religious book and every religion teaches the mankind to be courteous to the people around them
You are right plant do fight for their survival - they fight to make their place. They don't damage the whole forest for their survival, animal fight for their own self - they do not throw bomb on other animals or impose sanctions on the other animals. Have you read George orwell animal farm? and I quote - some animals are equal and some are more equal. 

All global economic crisis has to do with one major thing... communications and the media. If there wasn't any media communications, we would all only know what we found out from each other by word of mouth. There are probably many small places in the world that don't know about the US vs. Russia war in Ukraine... or even what the US, Russia and Ukraine are, and that they exist.

Powerful nations are built by the media = communication and indoctrination within. If we didn't have communication, we wouldn't know of powerful nations like America, China and Russia. And, they probably wouldn't be as powerful as they are.

In America, before the time of the telegraph, the Pony Express was the communication that built the western parts of the US. In Siberia and China around 800 years ago, the reason why Genghis Khan was able to gain so much power that he ruled that big part of the world, was communication. He developed a "Pony Express" form of communication that told him news a long time before anybody else knew about it.

Now that we have communication in place as it is, regarding whole world operations, it will depend on other things, like the wisdom and strategies people use, and what God determines. Certainly both Russia and America have the raw materials and the natural resources.

The failure in communications might come in the following, small area. Communications are still incomplete regarding any nation worldwide. How are they incomplete? Communications don't cover activities of people or groups that use non-standard forms of communication. For example, even AI has a hard time cracking blockchains. What about a small group that discovers and develops real and practical telepathy?

we all know that if the global economic crisis continues, there will be more wars and the so callled  Powerful countries like America, China and Russia will invade small countries.
If we look at the current conditions, America has lost compared to Russia.

The journey from World War 2 till date is still the same. US - Russia and other powerful countries still assert their power on the weak countier
Nothing has changed today - it reminds us of the era of chegez khan who felt pride in building tower of skull - nothing has changed in today's world

Back in WW2 times, Russia had already destroyed the German military some time before D-day. And that may have been the reason why the US financed the Bolshevik Revolution in the first place... because they saw that the Germans were crazy for war, and they needed a defense up there that the Czar was unwilling to provide.

The point is, when Russia broke away from the US, they were so strong that they almost annexed all of Europe, before they proved to themselves that force is not the way to do it.

The Russia of today is a 'world-trade' oriented Russia, not a 'conqueror-by-force' Russia. That's part of the reason why the US fears them, and is acting so boldly as to trying to stick NATO all around them to destroy them.

The one final thing that the US has is world trade. And it is working well for her, even though she is using a debt-backed, inherently-useless, fiat currency rather than value-backed currency like Russia.

Putin might be greedy. Russian bankers might be greedy. Russia herself might be greedy. But none of them are as greedy as the US bankers, who are turning to the force that Russia formerly used in Stalin-times. And they are doing it to remain in control of world money. Russian trade is a threat to US world money control.

The way to essentially stop the war right now is to shut down the Federal Reserve Bank in the States. Such a thing might present problems to Americans. But if the US Treasury took over and did its job (as the Constitution says), it might not be as bad as one might think.

Of course, most funds, troops, and armament to Ukraine would immediately stop. So, Russia would take her over. It would be interesting to see if Russia would allow her to maintain her autonomy once things settled down... without the 20% that Russia already took over, of course.

Russia proved to be a strong country despite of the fact whole EU turned against them
During the critical time when things were not in control if at that time Russia survived - they can survive not.

Only the Great Reset masterminds can stop it.

You have hit the nail on the head. What I mean is, did you ever notice how nature wants to live? People fight to live. Animals and plants fight to live. Even the few trees that are thousands of years old, have only sustained themselves by being renewed with new parts while the old ones die.

People believe and feel that there is benefit to life. Yet, history shows us that we all died. Or, have you found somebody who is, say, 300 years old... or older, and still alive? I'm not saying that there isn't someone like that. But if there is, it isn't common knowledge.

The point is, God made living things to want to live. And because people are important to Him, He gave them a way to live. The way is by believing in Jesus-salvation. God's Son, Jesus, was strong enough to take the death consequences for all of us, and then to arise from the dead 3 days following His own death.

Now, Jesus, Who is alive, offers life to everybody simply by believing in Him that He is offering this life to everybody. Faith in Him now = eternal life at the Resurrection. No faith in Him now = eternal damnation following the Resurrection.

It's a long story. And I don't like the idea of dying any more than most people. So, get a copy of the Bible in your native language, and start reading (or find someone who will read to you) at the beginning of the New Testament, the Book of Matthew. If you find it hard to believe, consult scholars who can show you that the nation of Ancient Israel was faithful in writing Bible history.

There is so much damage the wars and COVID has already done to the world.
The world is bleeding and there is nothing which can help healing the world - the war lord are trading deaths all over the world at the cost of peace.

People and governments around the world often fight with each other. And often their fighting is because the US (CIA) has infiltrated them for US goals... which involve money and banking with the US Ponzi banking system.

The point is, even though the Russian Bolshevik Revolution was set in place by the US banking system, Russia is one of few countries in the world that is successfully resisting what the US is doing.

Why would anyone want the US that wouldn't even let them get on the plane (Afghanistan) safely. I mean, this part of the US that is involved inn world affairs is screwing people over. Dentists even die over it.

Russia is far from perfect. But at least it has seen through the US banking Ponzi enough that it is resisting the US.

Still the point made in the earlier comment is different and it is we are only talking about Ukraine war but there are already so many wars going on in the world.
No One took any stand against them - have you seen people falling from USA C-130 when they were making a quick exit from Afghanistan - one of the persons who fell from the aircraft was dentist - that is how people are dying all over the world

The thing that most people don't understand is what this Ukraine war is all about. Under the whole thing, this war is a fight to the death between two money systems... the debt backed money system of the US and Europe, and the value backed money system of Russia and much of the rest of the world.

The government and banks of the US tricked the people of the US into financing the banks, without even realizing what they (the people) were doing. Most elected US government people don't even recognize it. Even Ron Paul, who for years was on some money committee in the US Federal government, and who speaks out against the Federal Reserve Bank in books that he has written, never speaks out about the real way the US people have financed the banks.

I don't really know if he understands or not, or if he realizes that if people understood how the banks have screwed them over royally, there would be such a big revolt among the people, that it might destroy the US.

Anybody who supports the US, Nato, and the Ukraine, is really supporting a financial system that is screwing the world. The whole US banking system is like a big fat Ponzi scheme.

We have all the forums - discussing about Ukraine and Russia war.
There are so many other countries - where the atrocities are going on and no one is discussed it - because they believed that they deserve it - but I am glad at least EU stood up for Ukraine - although they all are in trouble too - due to lack of oil and gas.

I'm amazed that anybody would think that Russian strength is so weak. If NATO is so strong, why don't they just invade Russia and put an end to all the fighting? They can't. Russia is too strong.

Russia just might become the future for all of us.

I'd give that one the benefit of the doubt and assume that's just a shitposter trying to meet their quota.

But otherwise I'm amazed at the number of lemmings chanting Putin's propaganda here. War with NATO LOL... why doesn't he try invading NATO countries to teach them a lesson. Impotent gnome.

LOL, from your post it looks that Ukraine attacked Russia. How they're escalating war if Ukraine is just defending their own land. You're trying to make image that they attack Russia. You're probably right that without NATO support this war would had ended already. But outcome of it probably would be occupation of huge part of Ukraine or maybe end of story of Ukraine as independent state.
Apologize Russia? Lol, for waht? You must be living in alternative reality if you're seriously posting such stuff.

^^^ Right. And if Russia nuked the US, or if the US nuked Russia, then China would take over, followed by India or Pakistan. And neither Russia nor the US is in bed well enough with China to know that China would be on their side when the nuke mushrooms died down. Probably China would simply take over.

The US is pretty popular, but it is on the decline, mostly because of its fake money. The world is starting to see that US money really isn't worth the paper it's printed on.

And Russia, while having a government similar to China's in some ways, just isn't big enough to win big enough against the US... big enough to keep themselves from being destroyed in the process.

The larger nations kinda like the success that US money has brought them, even if US forces around the world have more or less manipulated and conquered them in some ways. Nobody wants the success to die.

A nuke war would wipe out most of the relative success and relative peace in the world. It would wipe out Internet communications, at least in the free-ish way that many people have been using the Internet internationally nowadays.

The start for stopping the Ukraine war is for people to recognize that it is the US that is pushing the war... very sneakily, and very illegally, even against US laws and principles. But people should, also, recognize that nobody knows if Russia would truly stop its aggression if the US stopped theirs.

What fun! Maybe it's a good thing that we only live just these few short decades. After all, do we really want to see continual wars that we can't do anything about?

Exactly that was the point. Which I was pointing out. Russia is against Ukraine just due to Nato. And now the war is in between Russia and Nato and the Ukraine is only on the screen to display the role, and world is thinking that the war is in between Russia and Ukraine but that's wrong.

If the value of the USD was $0.00 at the same time, $60 a barrel for Russian oil wouldn't be significant in the world. Nations would be buying oil from Russia in gold and silver... and whatever else Russia demanded of them.

The price of oil below $60 for six months would collapse the Russian Federation. 

Contractors will not fight for free. Factory workers will not work for free.

This war will be won on the economic front.

Big Money is behind the US push in Ukraine. And Big Money doesn't care about people... only more money.

A sudden reduction to $0.00 in the value of the US dollar would stop the war over night

The only peace can stop the Russian and Ukraine crisis
The leaders of each country should think about the people and the innocent lives they are killing - they affect are long lasting and there is no end to it

Zelensky was elected in 2019.

But this was not a feasible solution for many reasons other than calendar. Donbas is not Zelensky's to give - Ukraine is not a kingdom where the king owns the country. He (like other government officials) is constitutionally obligated to protect territorial integrity of Ukraine and to do otherwise would be treason. Also giving in to blackmail never works. You give Donbas to Putin today, he'll want Lviv, Poland, Germany, Portugal, and the state of Oregon next.

Instead of trying to appease murderous dictators we should be grateful to Ukrainians for trying to stop one.

The negotiations will only be possible when the Russian army leaves Ukraine, one way or another.

There will be no negotiations with Ukraine unless the Russians go home or are eliminated.

that was about to happen to resolve issues through diplomacy but PM Boris Johnson stopped the peacetalk.
its almost uncontrolled now because they are now threatening nuclear war. its not good for all of us. the recent update is that China is willing to facilitate peaceful negotiation. this must be something to consider with cooler heads. this has to stop because winter is coming.

https://www.reuters.com/world/pressing-priority-ukraine-is-facilitate-peace-talks-china-says-2022-09-24/

The money crisis did not give, it gave the demand of the people, it is now failing in all the countries due to the new needs. So there seems to be a shortage of money.

Many countries are in grip of economic crisis. We have an example of Sri Lanka.
Don't know when the world will be in peace environment, but now, Russia Ukraine, China Korea, India Pakistan and USA China conflicts are destroying the peace of world.
They should settle down and should solve the situation with peace talk.

The damage has already been made - and the world has already been bleeding
The wars and chaos which Russia has created has shown the side effects and there is economic crisis in the whole world already

So the NATO indirectly attached with the Ukraine and Russia doesn't want that.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56720589

So here you can see that the Russia doesn't want that the Ukraine join the NATO.

Of course the main point is that, Russia wants back the Ukraine but the NATO is helping the Ukraine so the Russia against it and Russia thinks that if the Nato will do its activities in Ukraine so Nato can attack on Russia any time.

This is completely and utterly false. Russia wants Ukraine back and always has. They feel it’s theirs to have being that they were both once the Soviet Union. If NATO and other nations weren’t helping out Ukraine, Russia would have already easily taken over.

What a speech, they really believe that they're the ones who's in the correct path. I'm seeing that it's unlikely that we'll see the end of this war.

And with that ruling about recruiting and encouraging their citizens to be reservists with that punishment of being put in prison for declining, that's certainly one thing that trying to say that their people have no option to choose.

What happened today proves that the objectives of the military operation against Ukraine were not to protect the Russian borders from NATO's military expansion. Today began the process of local referendum in four Ukrainian regions to vote on joining Russia. Non-governmental organizations assert that the referendum is sham and that these provinces were actually annexed to Russia by its military surrender to Russian forces.

With the increase in the number of Russian soldiers in the war after the call-up of the reserve forces today, other regions will be the target of Russian expansion.

Like Putin having a heart attack. Death is no joke but this bastard deserves it.


Really? Are you saying that NATO made Russian savages murder people and put them in mass graves?
There are no NATO forces in Ukraine. Did NATO destroy a single house in Russia?

I was just enjoying the speech of Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov at the United Nations General Assembly, confirming his country's insistence on ending what he calls the military mission in Ukraine, which he claims is aimed at protecting minorities.

At the same time, Putin issued a decree to partially prepare reservists (approximately 300,000 volunteer soldiers), after the Kremlin issued a decision to imprison for up to ten years for those who refuse to enlist or do not perform their duties while serving. Reports mention the arrest of more than 700 people who refused the recruitment process, in addition to many of them fleeing to neighboring countries.

russia does not protect anyone in Ukraine, it kills civilians, destroys civilian infrastructure.
russia is a monster capable only of destruction, but not of creation.

and therefore, Carthage must be destroyed!

one will think this would have stopped the war until you get to know the plan of the Government to mobilize the citizens with no prior military training into the army. He is doing it out of their will and 300k army is meant to mobilized in coming days, another source said 1.2 million. sadly this is not the first time Russia is doing it, the last time also failed. This is not a country that encourage immigrants, so the citizens are the victims. A war the trained soldier could not win, how will the untrained perform better?  A lot of the citizens are looking for avenue to travel out, some looking for scholarship, some through cars, boat, to add salt to their injuries the flight fee has gone up. Everyone is the target even the well educated

 There are some selfish persons benefiting from this war,these persons need to back off first, NATO should leave Ukraine. Russia and Ukraine should have a dialogue to make peace. Russia thought it was some normal they can do to Ukraine not knowing that Ukraine will be supported by the US. This makes the war difficult for Russia.

Has the Ukraine joined NATO as of this writing? No! But that doesn't stop NATO soldiers from European NATO countries from fighting there for Ukraine ( https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.60949633 ). And it doesn't stop the US from supporting Ukraine with money and armaments.

This means that if Russia agrees to not invade Ukraine, that it is a one-sided deal against Russia. Besides, Russia is only protecting Russians in Ukraine, who have been allowed to live there for ages in the past... because the countries are full of people and children who are mixed Russian and Ukrainian.

The thing that would stop the war is honesty between the countries. Move the US and NATO out. Let Russia trade freely. After all, the US is about freedom, isn't it? So why are they not giving Russia her freedom? Why have they been supporting Ukraine against its own people (Russian Ukrainians) since 2014... and really before this?

The US and the big banking system don't want peace in Ukraine. They want war, and they are proving it.

The good point is, this is the last chance the Big Bankers who control the US and the Ukraine war machine, have. Russia was becoming too strong for them, and that is why they want the war. Who will win? Personally, I am for free, honest trade... both inside nations, and between nations.

This war has caused colossal loss of lives and properties and it is affecting the entire world negatively. I am sure both Ukraine and Russia want peace. Even Turkey's president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan confirmed that Vladimir Putin wants this war to end. The only thing that can end this war is diplomacy and compromise. But the peace terms would be the main impediment. Russia might want to hold some of the territories it has captured and Ukraine is seeking the total withdrawal of Russian troops from its soil before any peace deal can be discussed. But for peace to reign, each party must ensure that they make sacrifices. Ukraine should pledge not to join NATO and Russia should also agree never to invade Ukraine and take its territories. 

Definitely only some kind of a miracle

I said the last. If you send more, the war will continue until the last one is killed, surrenders, or runs away back to Russia.

Of all the responses that I have read, I don't think the death of the last Russian soldier in Ukraine will end the crisis. The soldier is a "tail" operating on orders from the "head", and to cut the tail will only mean that it will grow back, that is Russia can simply send in more troops. But cutting the head will have a better effect, that is if you had said the death of the person who is giving orders to the Russians which is Putin will bring an end to the crisis, I will not dispute.

The death of the last Russian soldier in Ukraine will stop this war.

The war is not between Russia and Ukraine, but between NATO and the Russian alliance, and it is taking place on several fronts, including Ukraine and Taiwan, and there is a new front in the Arctic to exert influence over the resources there.

At the beginning of the invasion of Ukraine, Russia said it was a special operation that would end when all of its goals were achieved.

More than six months after its launch, it seems that the Russian goals are not the occupation of Ukraine and its annexation to the Russian Federation, as some have imagined. Russia aims to pressure the global economy through the policy of sanctions in exchange for gaining more allies who will enjoy privileges from the Russian economy, including major countries such as India, China and many countries in Africa.

The trouble is, if NATO left today, the war wouldn't stop today. It would take a little while for Russian police action to make sure of Russia's safety, and Ukraine's safety from the Nazi militants.

And there would still be the question of equitable dealings regarding the land that the 3 big American companies bought from Ukraine, and some of the 46 American backed, Wuhan-style labs that Ukraine has. Some of might have been legal, and still might be legal and right, even in the eyes of Russia.

There are approximately two things that can stop the Russia-Ukraine thing:
1. Let the US/Nato get out of Russia's back yard... think about how the US would feel if Russia and Canada, or Russia and Mexico, made a deal, and Russia brought Russian troops into Canada or Mexico;
2. Start WW#whateve it might be.

Been thinking about this Russia-Ukraine crisis and how long it has lasted. When the crisis started it wasn't expected for it to last this long, a lot of person expected either Russia to abandon the invasion or Ukraine to agree to Russia's terms, but it has stayed long and looking to stay a bit longer. Apart from the reasons of Russia just choosing to quit the war and Ukraine agreeing to the terms of Russia, what other possible reasons could lead to the end of this crisis?