Topic: what could be Vladimir Putin intension for the war? (Read 368 times)

Putin is an autocrat, Russia is like his personal property. Russian legislature and judiciary are his puppets. Only Putin and his cronies know why Russia invaded Ukraine. Political analysts have come up with different reasons but only Putin knows.

Well, in this case, with the whole world situation, if Ukraine decides to make a formal request, do you think that in a short time they can say yes to NATO? We were talking about days, a week at most, because if it does, I think that Russia would attack Ukraine with everything and leave nothing in its wake, it would be a total devastation in hours because if that is the case, I think that Putin would send a large part of his army to fully invade Ukraine, but I believe that Russia will not allow Ukraine to join NATO under any circumstances.

Ukraine is just a pawn in this global geopolitical game of chess. Russia has challenged the existing world order. History is being made before our eyes.

We don't know the real intention of this Russian invasion of Ukraine.
whether to master ukraine or is there something more important than that. like an enemy threat against Russia. or just want to overthrow the current president of ukraine. because it is considered dangerous for Russia in the future.

Only it's a lie. He believes lies his propaganda telling to Russian people and Putin sympathizers around the world. Everyone who visited Ukraine knows those are lies. And everyone who lives in Ukraine knows that it's not a war between Russians and Ukrainians. It's a war war between Putinism and Civilized World.

he thinks the russian speaking people in ukraine are being surpressed in their freedom and autonomy like the uhigurs in china, or the indians in america or the kosovo albanians in yugoslavia

lets pray for peace and stability and the ability of our childlike politicians to understand each other

tbh, it is hard to know the major things that cause the invasion because in a situation like this both parties always tell lies. Putin said Jesus Christ to judge his invasion of Ukraine and he also claim to do in the first place because Moscow was defending against the genocide of Russian-speaking people by Ukraine while the Ukraine government said it all lies but I have once seen a Russian member of this forum that once talked about the same genocide before Putin said it in the news so it is hard to know what cause it though Putin may seize the opportunity to achieve his political ambition.

Having said that, it is hard to speak for other countries joining hands together to stop the Russian government invasion when the Ukraine President seems to submit to Putin's condition.

Yes, other countries are fully ready to stop the war between Russian and Ukraine. Now that the world has discovered the reason why Putin is fighting Ukraine government which there will be quick intervention for other countries to join hands together to stop Russian government not to destroy Ukraine citizens and their economy
than to allow peace to rain among both countries. Russian cannot stop Ukraine government not to join NATO because the Ukraine government has the right to join any union that will be favourable to their citizens in the country.

As far as I know, Russia's request is: maintain neutrality so that Ukraine does not join any military group or alliance, recognize Russia's sovereignty over Crimea, demilitarize the government Ukraine. please correct me if I am wrong.
After all, if Ukraine joined Nato it would be really dangerous for Russia. The US sending troops and establishing military bases in Nato countries is to preserve peace and territory. but for Russia, this is a serious threat to its security. We all know that the US, Russia and China are the three biggest powers. they will never get along and will seek to isolate and strangle each other if given the chance.

There are probably many reasons worth noting for Putin’s brutal invasion into Ukraine. First, it has strong strategic military importance for Russia.
Second, I suspect there are also significant natural resources in Ukraine that Russia sees as valuable enough to literally kill people over.
And lastly, it can’t be understated in my opinion that Putin sees the taking back of Ukraine under Russian control as a point of pride.
Putin has a huge ego and I think he fundamentally miscalculated that most of the world would unite in solidarity in defense of this unnecessary bloodshed.

I do agree it's just an excuse, maybe it's been brewing for years inside Putin that he wanted Ukraine back for Russian, but Ukraine is like moving on the opposite direction. So when the timing is right, Putin attack under the guise of Ukraine joining the NATO and the West. As you can see in his speech, it seem this fight is personal to him, maybe he wanted to bring the old glory back of the USSR to that effect, he is the remnants of it for all we know.

It takes years for a country to join NATO and there wasn't much incentive for NATO countries to accept Ukraine given they were obligated to intervene if Russia invaded. People seem to forget there was years of tension well before the invasion of Crimea in 2014. Setting that aside, Joe Biden is also President of the U.S. and he is incompetent and senile which gave Putin the greenlight to invade. Putin saw the withdrawal in Afghanistan, he knew the West would be silent if he attempted to capture Ukraine. And he was right.

The negotiations should be seen as a show of diplomacy before the world, while Ukraine is devastated, I don't know how much this country must suffer for the deaths to finally stop, but at the rate it is going, I don't see things looking good, while they are in rounds of negotiations, Ukraine is bombed from many places in the country, I think they will leave Kyiv last, in this vein, both the USA and all of NATO play dumb and deaf, this is the reality of war, of course while They come out at the UN saying the end of the war and blah blah blah.

I would guess that the difference between "stating negotiations" and almost finishing are the same thing. NATO application to enter it is nothing, but getting accepted takes time and that is the real danger for Russia, well according to Putin, it is not a threat to Russia at all because nobody cares about them.

At the end of the day, Russia is so strong that they single handedly ruined any chance UN could do anything about the current situation. They kept saying that "what about the people you killed during the war we started!" basically, like Ukraine should have just not responded and defend themselves. Putin only wants power and respect, and this is how he is getting it according to him, and that's it. When he is satisfied, he will stop, not before that.

Despite the fact that between Russia and Ukraine there is a fourth round of negotiations, they are absolutely not successful. At first, representatives of Russia only threw ultimatums, setting unrealistic conditions and in fact demanding that Ukraine unconditionally surrender to the invaders. As the Russian blitzkrieg failed and the losses in manpower and equipment left the Kremlin in shock, now the ultimatums have disappeared and at least some signs of possible agreements have begun to appear. Yesterday, the negotiations were put on a technical pause until today to clarify positions.
If not for Ukraine's desire to join NATO, Putin would still have found another reason to attack Ukraine. He needs Ukraine and its history of Kievan Rus for his empire.

It began only in 2014 when a coup started and replaced its Russian friendly president with a hostile such as Zelensky that's why Putin oppose it. He did oppose some other countries joining NATO close to Russia but because the president is friendly to them, he considers it.

What other intention should they have but security? Just like China, they are also opposing Taiwan to be independent, what if it joins NATO?
Today China warns US to stop selling arms to Taiwan. They were also seeking security. And I have no doubt this will escalate and war in the SCS.

At least to me it seems that the issue with Ukraine joining NATO is nothing but an excuse, to me it seems that Putin wants to recreate the USSR and for that he needs to annex Ukraine regardless of the economic cost this could signify for his country, and if that is the case then the next question is what are the plans of Putin for the rest of those countries? Will he try to to do this again in another country? Because even if at this point NATO will not join the war at Ukraine, can they tolerate that something like this happens again?

Putin always hated Ukraine, back in 2008 he told that Ukraine isn't a real country, that it was created by the West artificially and that a large part of its territory belongs to Russia by right. And in his video published days before the war the talked about historical borders, Soviet Union and Russian empire, so you get the picture. Putin has unchecked power over Russia, and he doesn't care about human lives, neither Ukrainian or Russian, so his intention is to conquer Ukraine and enter Russian history as one of its greatest rulers.

Agree into the point that they are really showing off their power aside on just simply invading Ukraine but also having that kind of show on what are the things that they are capable to do with
and its true that we wont know on what country or place they would tend to invade next considering that Russia is a powerful country then expect that they could easily achieved their
goals if they wanted to.Its true that lots of innocent people or lives been wasted on a war thats why its not really something that should be happening but well reality
couldnt really be avoided if there are country leaders who do have this mindset and capability.

Similarly to the post that I replied to, I mentioned that it is not Ukraine that Putin really wants- it is about making a statement against the whole world that Russia is not afraid of starting a war. In the event that he successfully captures Ukraine, this will not only threat other countries but this will be a global problem that any country may face since he will definitely go to war another time soon.

The war between Russia and Ukraine is just truly heartbreaking. Blood does not have to be spilled and countless of lives were traded due to selfish idealism caused by such leader.

If you look deeply there can be many reasons for Putin to start this war, people are thinking Russia and Putin are suffering because of the sanctions from other countries as the most sanctioned country in the world but the sanctions cannot be that much helpful for the country like Russia because they a friend like china nad China will supply all of their needs, actually, china will be happy to see Russia is this situation. I would say the main reason can be challenging nato and especially the USA as the main competitor of Russia.

Of course to take control Ukraine and avoid possible huge disadvantage against NATO allied in casethey plan to attack Russia in the future. As I watch some cool documentary about this War, Ukraine is very strategic location to attack Russia since everything is plane if you look Russia from Ukraine meaning Russia is defenseless if the eneymy use Ukraine as strategic point to attack them. Putin don’t want to recover the original USSR, He is just using it as a reason to cover his move and hide this weak spot of Russia. I believe Putin so an aggressive activity from Ukraine that involves US and Nato.

Russia is not trying to destroy Ukraine?
On February 24, Russia brought in eight Saoi armies out of ten and has now brought the size of the invasion army to about 200,000 people. Having received a serious rebuff, now the Russian army is deliberately launching missile and bomb attacks on residential areas of most Ukrainian cities, schools, hospitals, kindergartens, and at the same time they do not want to destroy Ukraine?
In Ukraine, 102 schools, 76 hospitals, more than 1,500 residential buildings have already been destroyed. Even the Nazis did not do this during World War II. This is purely genocide of the Ukrainian people.

Ukraine does not have the right to join NATO? Why is this? Ukraine is an independent sovereign state and has the right to independently decide which political blocs to join, and no Putins have the right to tell Ukraine which security systems to join. In addition, Putin is simply pushing Ukraine into NATO. Ukraine voluntarily gave up the third largest nuclear potential in exchange for security guarantees provided to it by world states, including Russia. In 2014, Russia itself violated them by capturing the Ukrainian peninsula of Crimea and parts of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions. Where should Ukraine go after this? Only in NATO.

Is Russia trying to preserve its sovereignty because it is afraid of NATO approaching its borders? So NATO has long been right at the borders of Russia. Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia have common borders with Russia and at the same time are members of NATO. It did not threaten and does not threaten the sovereignty of Russia? Only Ukraine will threaten it for some reason?

Now Russia has lost more than 50,000 of its soldiers, 374 tanks, 74 aircraft, 86 helicopters, 140 artillery systems, 62 multiple rocket launchers, more than 600 different vehicles in this war, killed and wounded. The Putin regime also saw that it could not take over Ukraine and therefore asks for military equipment in China and hires volunteers from Syria and Libya. The vaunted second army of the world cannot cope with the Armed Forces, and most importantly, the people of Ukraine.

Do you want stories? So in the 9th - 12th centuries, during the heyday of Kievan Rus, from the center in Kyiv, the village of Mokva (the territory of present-day Moscow) belonged to one of the Kiev princes Yuri Dolgoruky, and if we return to those times, then Ukraine has the right to claim the entire European territory of Russia, up to Moscow.

I don’t think the NATO was the main reason for the invasion because Ukraine said they would not join nato last week and the war is still on going.
They have these peace talks but it seems that they don’t resolve much. I don’t think it will end with peace talks.

The sanctions are bad but I have a feeling that Russian planned this years in advance and are prepared for all these sanctions. Putin and Russia have lots of money and assets such as gold. This can go on for years.

Other countries don’t want to directly intervene because they are scared of Putin and don’t want an invasion themselves. They know he is crazy and nobody knows what his limits are.

We actually don’t know, because there are so many lies in the news today and what we have know, Russia is killing innocent people as a collateral, most probably there’s a deeper reason why Russia attacked Ukraine and this wont stop as long as Russia is still not satisfied about what they want. They are ready for the war and do whatever it takes, I hope someone can stop Russia from doing this.

It's not making any progress based on some news that I've heard. Russia continues the offensive since it also wants to be in a better position to dictate terms or have better leverage in the negotiation.

Russia was still busy preventing Georgia from being a part of NATO around those times if I am not mistaken. It was prioritized over Ukraine because it was closer to becoming a member.

Ukraine's President at that time seems to be friendly to Russia. He was ousted with the help of the West so it's only natural to think Putin also doesn't like the one installed by the West.

One major and immediate reason could be that he got tired of Ukraine's blocking access of Crimea to the freshwater coming from Dnieper river. Negotiations and diplomatic means failed so he used force this time.

Putin is acting like a psycho at this point and I'm citing sources in Russia. You see people with Hero of the Russian Federation titles speaking against this war and prisoners of war say they weren't told anything, that they were sent to train and one day they got moved across the border and forced to fight a war they knew nothing about and weren't ready for.
Despite what trolls are saying about the West and the NATO, they aren't lying to people like Russia is, telling the world that they never attacked Ukraine, they never attacked anyone. Russia is a fucking saint that brings love and peace everywhere it goes and if a bomb hits a hospital it means there were enemies of Russia plotting to release bio weapons. It's madness.

Russian liberators, liberating stores from food and Ukrainian children from their mothers.

It's you first who should learn a bit of history, especially before bragging to others!

Nato had a border with Russia from 1949, cause Norway has a border with Russia and is a NATO member from 1949!
Nato also enlarged that bordered with the inclusion of Estonia and Latvia in 2004.

Aso the whole argument is idiotic, so because a country chooses to ally itself with NATO that would give Russia a right to invade it? Then how about Nato would invade every single republic of the former URSS in order to protect its members?


You're still around taking breaks from licking Putin's ass while spreading that bullshit propaganda?
You have succeeded in killing thousands of civilians, robbing stores, killings chickens as your troops are starving with expired rations while your mighty army is deserting and running away leaving tens of tanks and trucks on the battlefield. You have succeeded in uniting the whole western world against you as you've never managed before the cold war, and the consequences will be ten times worse, the collapse of the USSR and the default 10 years later will be a walk in the park compared to what will happen to you this times. Rabbid animals need to be kept in a cage!

Oh, and btw, so that you can realize how stupid your KGB shit propaganda is, the hundred of TU-160 don't even exist, 36 of them were built, 9 for testing, we crashed, 4 were damaged beyond flight capabilities, so you actually have only 23. Is just like looking into your wallet, you have hundreds of rubles but you only have 3 cents.

I believe in such away that. Putin himself have his own personal amendable characters that required serious  caution, too much of everything is bad,  if invading Ukraine has been his targeted milestone then I think by now he should have come into deriving satisfaction,  the committee set on negotiation are not seing any positive turnout from his side and yet lives are going wasted on this his personal interest, could  this really be a service  to humanity what Putin is doing  can be regarded?  I pray for peace within and without  all the affected regions.

If you were a president of one of the biggest countries in the world and you "place" a president that supports Russia in a country on one of your borders .. you know you still have power in that country. Then the citizens in that country riots and the President are removed.... would you not see that as a threat?

In his mind.... he still controls the Ukraine and they must be under the reign of his government... but they do not want that. It will also be a threat to him.. if NATO and the West gets a country on his borders to attack him... in times of war. 
 

Get a history lesson first before opening a thread on this matter and before making such a statement - "it really appears that Vladimir Putin just want to destroy Ukraine". It is not! Dig down the history of USSR and its relation with US. US is trying to get access to Russia's border through inclusion of Ukraine in NATO where Ukraine is clearly not eligible. US is ready to make an exception just so that they can get clear access to Russia's border and Russia is trying to maintain its sovereignty. Russia is NOT trying to destroy Ukraine.

Read this article:
https://theconversation.com/why-did-russia-invade-ukraine-178512

Hope this helps!

Pretty simple, Russia does not like to allow Ukraine to join NATO. And definitely, it's harmful to Russia if Ukraine becomes a NATO member. It will be easier to attack Russia in case of a third world war. Putin intent to kick Volodymyr Zelenskyy and replace his nominated president there who will follow Russia. Russia just showing its power and waiting for a NATO attack that would lead third world war. But the US is very clever and ignoring the current war. However, any war isn't appreciated anyway where innocent citizens suffer.

I do think his intentions might have been :

1. To supress the dominance of NATO over the border near Ukraine and Russia

2. To show and intimidate the governments to make sure they stay clear of Russia, they are trying to intimidate the whole world with their nuclear weapons as well.

3. He wants to push the Russian agenda beyond the borders as well, he make donbas independent which is honestly not a good idea to go and invade other country and do as you please

4. He is blocking down the internet connection and going further to the North Korean agenda causing probelms as well for the people, they don't even know what's going on, he might be trying to isolate them and rule them perse.

There has been no progress with the peace talks besides the fact that there has been a couple of such meetings and this is evident in how the invasion is being escalated further by the Russian troops.

The intent of Putin can not be determined, we can all but speculate what triggered the attack and what the fall out effect would be over the coming months and possibly years.

Not only Ukrainian lives but also Russian soldiers. Many have already sacrificed their lives to this unnecessary war. I believe it is now more on power the reason why Putin is not stopping this war. Because if he will halt this, it would be his ego on the line. However, it seems he doesn't care how many lives will lose on this war, even civilian people are being targeted. So it somehow escalates to personal power here, not anymore the interest of Russia or Ukraine, whatever he is trying to portray here.

Putin from the look of things is not ready for any peaceful dialogue. He might claim to be fighting for the interest of Russians and Ukraine indirectly but his approach is too deadly keeping the lives Ukrainian in danger.

Putin came into power in 2012  and Ukrainians joined NATO enhancement opportunity partner interoperability program  in June 12th 2020. So there was no way Putin could do anything from 1992 till May 6 2012 . Ukraine-Russian war has been there since 2014 but got triggered in 2022 with Putin full invasion to Ukraine and all Putin is after at the moment is to Capture Kyiv

Putin does not care to start world war 3
Maybe to try to form back USSR
Maybe he actually want what he is saying, that he do not want NATO expansion to the Eastern Europe. Dictatorial government that against NATO can say that.

Maybe after Ukraine, Poland or Moldova can be Putin's next target. UK, US, EU and UN generally are all cowards, Putin's ambition is more and if given this access, he will use bravery to create more nuclear weapons to threaten NATO not to interfere as he continuing to destroy lives and properties in Ukraine neighbor countries as he is doing in Ukraine now.

Despite the fact that the negotiations for peace between Russia and Ukraine is making good progress, it really appears that Vladimir Putin just want to destroy Ukraine. If the intent of Putin is really in the best interest of Russia and not personal grievance for what so ever his personal reason could be, why not call a halt on his troop until the negotiation is over.
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Ukraine joining NATO began since 1992, and began its NATO membership action plan in 2008, why didn’t he start this war then? Was he friends with previous Ukrainian Presidents and probably do not just like Volodymyr Zelenskyy? Source
I would like to know your opinion on what could be the real intent for this war