Topic: What country is the most "libertarian" would you say? (Read 4061 times)

I would go for Switzerland too.

I think most people will consider a site like Stormfront pretty racist. And I wouldn't use it as a neutral reference.

I never met any gypsy, nor do I know any so I'm not going into discussion. Would surprise me if every gypsy is like you say though.

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I agree there is no liberty left on earth only some form of fascism or other ism but not individual liberty just what is "allowed" for you to have like liberty is a privilege the rulers give you if you are a good dog.  If I could move to another planet with liberty via stargate I would go in a hartbeat I'm sick of the freedom hateing earthlings, there are maybe 1% who love liberty but they are few and getting shut down all the time.

Switzerland, Norway, Sweden?  I like the US fine but their war on drugs and long prison sentences, carding people under 35 to gamble and buy alcohol, sometimes make it seem a bit police state-ish.  I'm fine here in the states though. I'll take it over some crime ridden anarchist hell-hole where stealing, drug dealing, and kidnappings are rampant. If that's your idea of 'freedom' well more power to you.

The better socialist nations are the ones that have tried to maintain import controls and seal their borders to keep out undesirable lower income races. The one thing the global elite (jews, illuminati, whatever you want to call them) seem to want is to have a big melting pot where the poor races get to emigrate into the well off nations and thus drive up their cost of social services and make the socialism unaffordable. This is a reason health care in the US is so expensive... not the entire reason though.  Socialism works better in nations with a good working class of people and no large underclass.

Of course automation and exporting of jobs to third world nations is also a reason many of these nations also have more unemployed I would imagine.

The Mars or other planet, forget about the Earth.

And your opinion is...? Cause i can't really figure it out =))))

Wow!

Of course bro! Let me give you a bear hug!

Can I laugh at people saying that red pandas don't share the same bloodline as bears? =)))))

I support niothor in the gypsy subject. I'm not racist but they are a plague. You probably don't know that gypsies were oryginally living in India but were exiled and moved to Romania. About 30 years ago a lot of them came to Poland to beg on the streets. Since then I've seen numerous articles and reports about them and most of them don't hide that they don't want to work and know other ways of getting the money. They have no respect for law or any social rules of the country they live in, no morality either. The Schengen Area with its open borders allowed them to travel more freely, so they moved to richer countries with more social benefits like Germany or England.

What the hell.... how does everybody know about that website?
I just googled timisoara which is the name of the town i was born in hoping to get a newspaper article already translated.

I need to stay indoor more.

As I said , i didn't check the website at first , i was interested in a specific post... all that white crap is just lame.
But , back to your post..
It seems in Romania things are getting backwards.
The rate at which they go to school is dropping , also the number of grades they finish.
After all , they are making more begging near sagrada familia than they could earn working as a teacher , and they don't have to wait 20 years , just a 2 day trip

How can you miss one of the most notorious sites on the internet. 

Regarding gypsies, all my encounters with them have been negative and i have never heard a single news about them in my country that was not negative. Reason tells me that there are good gypsies but it's pretty obvious that people will have prejudices.

Well, that's not the best site to get info, hehe.

Nevertheless, it seems pretty descriptive of Romani culture, they are very misogynistic, their women are pretty much treated as property, but I believe a bit is changing in their culture, they simply need to adapt, we see more gypsies at school and there are even women studying after 4th, of course, only in more "progressive" families.

I'm from Portugal, by the way.

I, basically, only knew one gypsy in my life, he was a kid that hang out at my apartment when I was in college, he was middle class and lived in a nice neighborhood, he once told us a story that he went out with some of his cousins that were "bad vibe" and they stole a few sports shirts from a store, his mother discover what he did and he took quite the beating, and he said he was lucky because his mother didn't told his father about what he did, if she did he would had the beating of his life, LOL.

Anyway, I know this is a small minority of gypsy culture, but when they live in an environment where people actually chose who they want to marry and marring at 13 is not acceptable, people start to change and want different stuff, but change always comes very slowly.

Sorry but you're not making the difference between Romanians and romas or gypsy.
Those in the article you mentioned are people who studied hard and want to work in a country which rewards them for their work ' unlike this garbage dump that is romania , where a doctor is paid worth 300 euros a month.And yeah , those people are a loss for my country but , let's be honest ,you can't force them to stay just to be patriots.

Gypsy are the people who come to steal , not work.
There are countless articles about how they turn down every offer to work , how they ruin every house they are given by the government to stay in , how they ....
I'm too tired to write all this again and again but this post might sum it up (not mine)
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t280500-15/

You'll see for yourself once you come into contact with them.
I had no problem with them till a pack , yeah i said pack , entered my neighborhood and one of the best and most beautiful historical city center turned into a landfill.
Time will tell who is right


Edit .. i didn't checked first the name of the forum , i was interested only that it was my town mentioned as i checked for an article in English (too tired to translate on from the local newspapers)  on the second read i saw that banner with white bullshit or whatever

Be honest - you are racist.  It hurts to have a nasty label put on you but your words speak clearly as to your racism.  

The Romanian gypsies that have arrived so far are all welcome.  

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2532062/British-companies-advertise-5-000-jobs-Romania-doors-open-EU-migrant-workers.html

Keep sending these fine working people over.  Your country's loss is our gain.

You've been waiting for them since January the 1st? =)))))))
Can I lol at this? Seriously!

The gypsys were already there , after the January 1st only Romanians seeking for a job will come there.

Just like when I was a kid and Romania wasn't in the EU and I had to wait one month for a visa for a 3 days trip to Vienna with my school while a pack of gypsy were having a swan barbecue in the middle of city and of course they had no papers whatsoever..

Is our treatment wrong? Lols , then why the hell are you sending them hundred and hundred  per week back?
What's with all the camping in your parks and the break-ins in your homes?
It's easier to get a mobile phone or a laptop "from" the UK or Spain here than one made in China =))) , if you get what i'm saying.

You guys don't have a clue what's coming your way.
There are only a few at the moment , they we're only 2 millions in Romania 6 years ago and  they are dispersed in too many country's they fled to , but wait a few years. They usually start making kids at 15-16 and about 5-10 per family.

One of the most beautiful city center , in Timisoara , was tuned into a garbage dump by a gypsy community in less than two years. I can barely wait to see how you will integrate this community.

Because , they don't want to be integrated!!!!

And don't get me wrong ., I'm not racist at least I try to be.
Jews , blacks  or afro-americans lol , ,Hispanic spanish , japanese or congolese I don't care , but those guys , those are in a league of their own.

Is funny - you keep going on about gypsies who won't work.  We have been waiting for them in the UK since January 1 and instead you keep sending over gypsies who immediately get jobs and start working. At this point a political party called UKIP faces annihilation unless your gypsies appear soon and demand welfare of some kind instead of working.

so, your gypsies come here and insist on working.  Could it be that your country's treatment of gypsies is the problem?

Not a country - but my household is very libertarian. We are a community only in the loosest sense, comprised of several sovereign individuals.

   Each of us believes in our rights and liberties as individuals, nay we believe in our own unique knowledge and wisdom as being paramount and sacrosanct. We each believe in therefore not only the the pursuit of our own self interests but also in our own ability to guide the other members of the household as to where their interests lay.

   This frequently leads to conflict - and in the absence of authority this conflict is often resolved only by the more physically mature members of said household exerting their wills on those less well physically able/endowed.

    The only time that true order is restored is when an unelected benevolent dictator is able to take to control (for the betterment, and indeed survival) of the community.

    That dictator is me.   - I own the property  

   Fortunately, in this particular libertarian idyll, we love each other.

I'd say it's the least paternalistic one. Not sure what country that would be.

definitely not France

Haha, guess I'm a autistic who's gone full retard then.


He's trolling.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhnUgAaea4M 

Hell ya! Believe it!

Or go to jail.

Switzerland... I thought that they would stop foreigners for minor (maybe imaginary) vehicular infractions and make them go to an ATM and pay the fine right then and there in cash (heard that story twice from two different people who said it happened to them)

And y'all keep mixing Libertarianism with Anarchism.  Libertarians believe in a small, limited government, Anarchists don't believe in government, and most people on here seem to be OK with laws that aren't followed.

So what? You still can't tax my savings in Bitcoin and that's all I need, you also can't steal them through inflation now, yeah you keep saying we're fools, I'll just keep laughing at you, all paper currencies will slowly but surely die out now that we have somewhere else to put money in besides Gold and Silver, that's just the way it is.

Cryptocurrency is not in a separate economy, people still have to go back to fiat to pay for their lives. Just because a few people have special arrangements or some dirt bar accepts crypto to pay for stuff doesn't mean the economy is any different. You can't live on crypto, simple as that, you always have to convert back to fiat. So, with that, crypto is a way to trade and acquire more fiat, nothing more. Those who say otherwise are lying or delusional.

Now the ones touting the decentralization and the upending of governments are the fools I mentioned above, libertarians and anarchists, even criminals trying to use a simple experiment in currency and transactions as a way to circumvent the law. They ruin crypto and what it stands for, and they twist influence the minds of young people who don't understand and then you have anarchist meatheads all over the place talking about anti-gov, anti-currency, anti-organization chaos, which they are too arrogant and or ignorant to realize once all that stuff breaks down, there will be no internet to carry their precious decentralized play money that no one wants for any reason other than using it to acquire more money that they can actually use.

Do you honestly believe that or are you trolling/using sarcasm? It always amuses me how government loyalists come along here in troll mode while conveniently forgetting the fact we're on a cryptocurrency forum and everybody here is pretty much in a separate economy to the rest of the world now

Also, I vote Switzerland since it's the most democratic, their direct democracy voting system is fantastic ( If everybody adopted Direct Democracy I'd be a lot more active in voting ) but that can also come with a lot of problems as we've seen with that minimum wage stuff and so on, speaking of which, I never did look up whether that passed or not.

Libertarians are just a type of Anarchist but with Autism. Once they go Full-Retard they become Full Anarchists and belong in prison. Until then, Libertarians can just continue to be Hipsters camping out in parks and getting sprayed in the face with OC Spray by heroes like Lt. John Pike.

They have a a choice to grow up, get a job, a career make something of their lives rather than cry about it like children...but they often don't they just get stupider...they are fighting the man you know. Serious Business!

Please keep the Gypsies, just send Romanian women.


Amsterdam is not a country.

Yeah, probably the most libertarian country in the world is somewhere in Africa, like Tanzania, Somalia or Nigeria, in most of the places there are no rules, people live by survival of the fittest...

The United States of America. Land of the free, home of the brave.

If they did, there would be no way to defend myself. The IRS has more power than any small group of Somalis.

You can defend yourself from Somali pirates.

Please remind me when did the IRS entered your house with guns , raped your wife , killed your kids as target practice and the asked your neighbors for all their money to let you live?

Hmm, a group using guns to try to take money from people.

In Somalia you can use your guns to defend yourself from such people.

In the US you get called a tax protester and are thrown in jail.

none, you need to put one on a platform in the middle of the ocean and then the liberty haters would send the 6th fleet to bring you "freedom" and it would be the end. You have to leave earth and go someone where the liberty haters can't follow.

Good joke. Pirate money is flowing into Somalia in millions every year.

And how do they fight those invaders?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/01/somali-pirates-hostage-killed_n_1848937.html

Like this?

Economically I would say Bahamas, Turks & Caicos, Cook Islands..

Socially Costa Rica, Amsterdam...

Both, Somalia.

Somalia is a good demonstration of how the rest of the world treats free countries. Their economy has improved dramatically ever since their government failed. But every country out there believes it is their duty to "fix" Somalia making more and more problems as they have to fight the invaders.

Nope , we are exporting citizens , and somehow , getting rid of gypsies.

And now , the whole EU who accused us of not integrating them , can start cleaning their doors while those "people" piss on them  , can start putting bullet proof windows and armed doors to stop them from stealing everything in your house and gluing their pockets for obvious reasons.

Also , pay them social welfare , and don't forget they start having children at 12-14 and usually 10+ kids.

And good luck teaching them what work is =))))

 

lol... that's why they are exporting their citizens to Italy and Spain... and soon to England as well.

I vote for Romania.

Everyone here can f** anyone , run over anyone , steal as much as he can  , and nothing happens.

Uruguay.

I'd vote for Switzerland.

Perhaps Signapore or Hong Kong.  If Hong Kong got rid of or just relaxed their land ownership policy they would fed be first.

just wondering