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sr. member
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June 14, 2013, 10:22:37 AM
#38
Doh.

Quote
REPUBLIC OF VANUATU
INTERNATIONAL COMPANIES ACT
NO. 32 OF 1992

...

RESITRICTIONS ON INTERNATIONAL COMPANIES
10. (1) An international company shall not:-

  (a) carry on business in Vanuatu;
  (b) acquire or own an interest in immovable property situate in
    Vanuatu other than a lease referred to in subsection (2)(b);
  (c) carry on banking business as defined by the Banking Act [Cap. 63]
  (d) carry on trust business as defined by the Trust companies Act [Cap.69];
  (e) carry on insurance business as defined by the Insurance Act [Cap. 82];
    or
  (f) carry on company management business;
  (g) at any time have less than one member;
  (h) make any invitation to the public to –
    (i) subscribe for any shares or debentures in the company; or
    (ii) deposit money with or lend money to the company.

I did find it amusing that they misspelled RESTRICTIONS in their document.  Wink


Yes, maybe I am naive, but what if Ken/AMC succeeds in getting delivery of those ASIC chips? What if he does use the money raised by offering shares to hire a good technical team and actually gets those mining rigs up and running?  Yes, I agree that he did some things in a sloppy way, and tends to some hyperbole, but so far, I do not see any evidence of outright fraud, only lack of some transparency. And yes, I am an adult who took a risk by investing with AMC. But, all of the people who invested in AMC, (I hope) are aware of the risks involved in any and all Bitcoin ventures. I am curious why those who have no horse in this race seem obligated to save and educate those of us either stupid enough or who like gambling or are willing to take risks?


Anyone with even a fraction of a bitcoin to their name has a horse in this race.  If those that know what they're doing allow new bitcoin users to blindly get scammed into oblivion, what future does bitcoin really have?  Not everyone can be a legal pro, or a technical pro, or a social pro, or a management pro.  We all have our strengths and weaknesses.  I tend to value insight from all walks, as it helps to form an overall picture of the risk involved in going with one investment or another.  (and really, all bitcoin investments should be considered gambles more than anything.)

What I dug up above is a minor legal oversight.  Minor just because no one cares much.  Even if the gov't of Vanuatu found out it'd probably be some pretty serious fines or something and AMC would just ignore them.

All AMC has to do is re-incorporate on a different island elsewhere and they should be just fine.  Smiley


btw, why did you incorporate in Belize and didn´t ask for licensed company to be regulated? I work for offshore service company, I am doing it regurarly for our clients...
"Trading in financial and commodity-based derivative instruments and other securities (e.g. futures, options, interest rates, foreign exchange instruments, shares, stock, contracts for differences, etc.)"

It is expensive, I know, proper due diligence, AML regulations etc. Personally, I do not care, I have an account at btct.to and also I own shares of AMC. Btw, Seychelles is not good jurisdiction for this as well.
legendary
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June 07, 2013, 08:08:30 PM
#37
So Ken got 'em Avalon's already. congrats.
legendary
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June 07, 2013, 07:44:27 PM
#36
What are your feelings on AMC?  Granted, I only briefly browsed the massive thread - but what do we really know about the owners?

- Who owns it?
- Where are they located?
- When do they expect to start mining?
ETC



Ken, you should take the silence of ^these^ crickets as an apology/congratulations.     Grin

/FUD thread
legendary
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June 07, 2013, 05:48:39 PM
#35

Can we get a screen shot of the bottom part of that page so we can see the address?

No, for security reasons.

Yup, because the address is different. Bingo.

We already know the address because kslaughter published "his" address, but now he won't show us his.... address?

Oh, because the address is different, right?

I wonder how long it will take for these ASICs to "bu jian"  Roll Eyes

usagi, does "bu jian" mean 'go missing' or 'go bye-bye?'

In any case, you may keep an eye on AMC's Avalon hashrate here:

https://www.btcguild.com//index.php?page=rankings§ion=teams

vip
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June 06, 2013, 09:09:17 PM
#34

Can we get a screen shot of the bottom part of that page so we can see the address?

No, for security reasons.

Yup, because the address is different. Bingo.

We already know the address because kslaughter published "his" address, but now he won't show us his.... address?

Oh, because the address is different, right?

I wonder how long it will take for these ASICs to "bu jian"  Roll Eyes
sr. member
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June 06, 2013, 07:41:59 PM
#33
First 3 Avalon's order # 1245 are on their way:

img]http://www.axs.net/AMC/Complete-1.png[/img]

Do we know that the asics have been shipped to the address on file? The screenshot above does not include a shipping address.

Usagi, You know that Avalon does not change any of the shipping addresses on the units.  The address the unit are to be ship to
has been posted online before.  Just a little of your FUD.

No, I don't post FUD. Don't take this the wrong way, but you have a habit of shitty investor relations. Like when you told me to fuck off on IRC when I asked you why you rebought shares at a higher price during your IPO.

Get this straight -- I know Avalon doesn't change the shipping addresses. What I am asking is if you gave Avalon the same shipping address you gave us as your business address. You cut that part out -- what I am questioning was if Avalon ever got the shipping address we have on file for you, not if you've recently changed it.

The address is the same.  I never rebought shares at a higher price than what I was offering the shares for.  I only rebought shares at a low price to keep the speculators from purchasing the shares at an even low price.  This made the speculators mad, like yourself.

Can we get a screen shot of the bottom part of that page so we can see the address?

No, for security reasons.
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June 06, 2013, 06:16:11 PM
#32
First 3 Avalon's order # 1245 are on their way:

img]http://www.axs.net/AMC/Complete-1.png[/img]

Do we know that the asics have been shipped to the address on file? The screenshot above does not include a shipping address.

Usagi, You know that Avalon does not change any of the shipping addresses on the units.  The address the unit are to be ship to
has been posted online before.  Just a little of your FUD.

No, I don't post FUD. Don't take this the wrong way, but you have a habit of shitty investor relations. Like when you told me to fuck off on IRC when I asked you why you rebought shares at a higher price during your IPO.

Get this straight -- I know Avalon doesn't change the shipping addresses. What I am asking is if you gave Avalon the same shipping address you gave us as your business address. You cut that part out -- what I am questioning was if Avalon ever got the shipping address we have on file for you, not if you've recently changed it.

The address is the same.  I never rebought shares at a higher price than what I was offering the shares for.  I only rebought shares at a low price to keep the speculators from purchasing the shares at an even low price.  This made the speculators mad, like yourself.

Can we get a screen shot of the bottom part of that page so we can see the address?
sr. member
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June 06, 2013, 06:42:28 AM
#31
First 3 Avalon's order # 1245 are on their way:

img]http://www.axs.net/AMC/Complete-1.png[/img]

Do we know that the asics have been shipped to the address on file? The screenshot above does not include a shipping address.

Usagi, You know that Avalon does not change any of the shipping addresses on the units.  The address the unit are to be ship to
has been posted online before.  Just a little of your FUD.

No, I don't post FUD. Don't take this the wrong way, but you have a habit of shitty investor relations. Like when you told me to fuck off on IRC when I asked you why you rebought shares at a higher price during your IPO.

Get this straight -- I know Avalon doesn't change the shipping addresses. What I am asking is if you gave Avalon the same shipping address you gave us as your business address. You cut that part out -- what I am questioning was if Avalon ever got the shipping address we have on file for you, not if you've recently changed it.

The address is the same.  I never rebought shares at a higher price than what I was offering the shares for.  I only rebought shares at a low price to keep the speculators from purchasing the shares at an even low price.  This made the speculators mad, like yourself.
vip
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June 05, 2013, 11:34:08 PM
#30
First 3 Avalon's order # 1245 are on their way:

img]http://www.axs.net/AMC/Complete-1.png[/img]

Do we know that the asics have been shipped to the address on file? The screenshot above does not include a shipping address.

Usagi, You know that Avalon does not change any of the shipping addresses on the units.  The address the unit are to be ship to
has been posted online before.  Just a little of your FUD.

No, I don't post FUD. Don't take this the wrong way, but you have a habit of shitty investor relations. Like when you told me to fuck off on IRC when I asked you why you rebought shares at a higher price during your IPO.

Get this straight -- I know Avalon doesn't change the shipping addresses. What I am asking is if you gave Avalon the same shipping address you gave us as your business address. You cut that part out -- what I am questioning was if Avalon ever got the shipping address we have on file for you, not if you've recently changed it.
sr. member
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June 05, 2013, 08:38:01 PM
#29
First 3 Avalon's order # 1245 are on their way:

img]http://www.axs.net/AMC/Complete-1.png[/img]

Do we know that the asics have been shipped to the address on file? The screenshot above does not include a shipping address.

Usagi, You know that Avalon does not change any of the shipping addresses on the units.  The address the unit are to be ship to
has been posted online before.  Just a little of your FUD.

I notice that all the orders are held in the name of VMC, your wholly owned company.

Does AMC have written contracts defining their rights to the hardware on order?  Please post all such agreements.

I am sure you did, you are looking for anything you can find to drag us down.  

AMC has a contract with me, purchasing the 6 Avalon's that I paid for out of my own pocket.

AMC only has Pre-Orders with VMC.  AMC and VMC have a contract which is posted in images on bitfunder.com which spells out their relationship.
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June 05, 2013, 06:09:35 PM
#28
First 3 Avalon's order # 1245 are on their way:

img]http://www.axs.net/AMC/Complete-1.png[/img]

Do we know that the asics have been shipped to the address on file? The screenshot above does not include a shipping address.

Usagi, You know that Avalon does not change any of the shipping addresses on the units.  The address the unit are to be ship to
has been posted online before.  Just a little of your FUD.

I notice that all the orders are held in the name of VMC, your wholly owned company.

Does AMC have written contracts defining their rights to the hardware on order?  Please post all such agreements.
sr. member
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June 05, 2013, 05:57:05 PM
#27
First 3 Avalon's order # 1245 are on their way:

img]http://www.axs.net/AMC/Complete-1.png[/img]

Do we know that the asics have been shipped to the address on file? The screenshot above does not include a shipping address.

Usagi, You know that Avalon does not change any of the shipping addresses on the units.  The address the unit are to be ship to
has been posted online before.  Just a little of your FUD.
vip
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June 05, 2013, 09:29:57 AM
#26
First 3 Avalon's order # 1245 are on their way:

img]http://www.axs.net/AMC/Complete-1.png[/img]

Do we know that the asics have been shipped to the address on file? The screenshot above does not include a shipping address.
sr. member
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June 05, 2013, 08:34:34 AM
#25
First 3 Avalon's order # 1245 are on their way:

legendary
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June 04, 2013, 02:46:41 PM
#24
I'm sorry if for some reason you took my OP as an attack or offensive in any way, it was not intended as such.  Roll Eyes

Knowing he has ordered chips is one thing - knowing more about VMC and how they are sure they can actually deliver is another.

Well there you go.  You know AMC has ordered (machines and) chips.  Why use such a panicky, FUD inducing title when you literally know better?

You could have used the title "What we really know about AMC" instead, given their machine and chip orders are public information. 

But that doesn't get you what you wanted - to make an insinuation of a scam without having to actually back it up with facts.

Ignore entropy-uc's caterwauling.  He's still holding an ancient grudge from being proven wrong about Bitfloor, which has payed me all of my BTC and USD in full exactly as I said they would.  Most people know better than to drag in old feuds from other threads, but he can't help himself.  Poor thing; bless his heart.   Kiss
sr. member
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June 03, 2013, 09:45:18 PM
#23
Doh.

Quote
REPUBLIC OF VANUATU
INTERNATIONAL COMPANIES ACT
NO. 32 OF 1992

...

RESITRICTIONS ON INTERNATIONAL COMPANIES
10. (1) An international company shall not:-

  (a) carry on business in Vanuatu;
  (b) acquire or own an interest in immovable property situate in
    Vanuatu other than a lease referred to in subsection (2)(b);
  (c) carry on banking business as defined by the Banking Act [Cap. 63]
  (d) carry on trust business as defined by the Trust companies Act [Cap.69];
  (e) carry on insurance business as defined by the Insurance Act [Cap. 82];
    or
  (f) carry on company management business;
  (g) at any time have less than one member;
  (h) make any invitation to the public to –
    (i) subscribe for any shares or debentures in the company; or
    (ii) deposit money with or lend money to the company.

I did find it amusing that they misspelled RESTRICTIONS in their document.  Wink


Yes, maybe I am naive, but what if Ken/AMC succeeds in getting delivery of those ASIC chips? What if he does use the money raised by offering shares to hire a good technical team and actually gets those mining rigs up and running?  Yes, I agree that he did some things in a sloppy way, and tends to some hyperbole, but so far, I do not see any evidence of outright fraud, only lack of some transparency. And yes, I am an adult who took a risk by investing with AMC. But, all of the people who invested in AMC, (I hope) are aware of the risks involved in any and all Bitcoin ventures. I am curious why those who have no horse in this race seem obligated to save and educate those of us either stupid enough or who like gambling or are willing to take risks?


Anyone with even a fraction of a bitcoin to their name has a horse in this race.  If those that know what they're doing allow new bitcoin users to blindly get scammed into oblivion, what future does bitcoin really have?  Not everyone can be a legal pro, or a technical pro, or a social pro, or a management pro.  We all have our strengths and weaknesses.  I tend to value insight from all walks, as it helps to form an overall picture of the risk involved in going with one investment or another.  (and really, all bitcoin investments should be considered gambles more than anything.)

What I dug up above is a minor legal oversight.  Minor just because no one cares much.  Even if the gov't of Vanuatu found out it'd probably be some pretty serious fines or something and AMC would just ignore them.

All AMC has to do is re-incorporate on a different island elsewhere and they should be just fine.  Smiley


Burnside, since you love doing it check this out: Seychelles.

I actually applied there for BTC Trading Corp.  Got denied.  Sad



Changing to Seychelles now, easier that Vanuatu.
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June 03, 2013, 09:30:13 PM
#22
Quote
What do we really know about AMC?  

Any sheep who give you money deserve the shearing they will get.  But shame on Bitfunder for allowing it.

we know AMC has ordered 7 Avalon boxes and 20,000 Avalon chips.

Please man up and take your FUD to a Scam Accusation thread, if you're so sure the facts are on your side.

I'm sorry if for some reason you took my OP as an attack or offensive in any way, it was not intended as such.  Roll Eyes

Knowing he has ordered chips is one thing - knowing more about VMC and how they are sure they can actually deliver is another.
legendary
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June 03, 2013, 07:45:07 PM
#21
Doh.

Quote
REPUBLIC OF VANUATU
INTERNATIONAL COMPANIES ACT
NO. 32 OF 1992

...

RESITRICTIONS ON INTERNATIONAL COMPANIES
10. (1) An international company shall not:-

  (a) carry on business in Vanuatu;
  (b) acquire or own an interest in immovable property situate in
    Vanuatu other than a lease referred to in subsection (2)(b);
  (c) carry on banking business as defined by the Banking Act [Cap. 63]
  (d) carry on trust business as defined by the Trust companies Act [Cap.69];
  (e) carry on insurance business as defined by the Insurance Act [Cap. 82];
    or
  (f) carry on company management business;
  (g) at any time have less than one member;
  (h) make any invitation to the public to –
    (i) subscribe for any shares or debentures in the company; or
    (ii) deposit money with or lend money to the company.

I did find it amusing that they misspelled RESTRICTIONS in their document.  Wink


Yes, maybe I am naive, but what if Ken/AMC succeeds in getting delivery of those ASIC chips? What if he does use the money raised by offering shares to hire a good technical team and actually gets those mining rigs up and running?  Yes, I agree that he did some things in a sloppy way, and tends to some hyperbole, but so far, I do not see any evidence of outright fraud, only lack of some transparency. And yes, I am an adult who took a risk by investing with AMC. But, all of the people who invested in AMC, (I hope) are aware of the risks involved in any and all Bitcoin ventures. I am curious why those who have no horse in this race seem obligated to save and educate those of us either stupid enough or who like gambling or are willing to take risks?


Anyone with even a fraction of a bitcoin to their name has a horse in this race.  If those that know what they're doing allow new bitcoin users to blindly get scammed into oblivion, what future does bitcoin really have?  Not everyone can be a legal pro, or a technical pro, or a social pro, or a management pro.  We all have our strengths and weaknesses.  I tend to value insight from all walks, as it helps to form an overall picture of the risk involved in going with one investment or another.  (and really, all bitcoin investments should be considered gambles more than anything.)

What I dug up above is a minor legal oversight.  Minor just because no one cares much.  Even if the gov't of Vanuatu found out it'd probably be some pretty serious fines or something and AMC would just ignore them.

All AMC has to do is re-incorporate on a different island elsewhere and they should be just fine.  Smiley


Burnside, since you love doing it check this out: Seychelles.

I actually applied there for BTC Trading Corp.  Got denied.  Sad

sr. member
Activity: 476
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June 03, 2013, 06:41:27 PM
#20
Doh.

Quote
REPUBLIC OF VANUATU
INTERNATIONAL COMPANIES ACT
NO. 32 OF 1992

...

RESITRICTIONS ON INTERNATIONAL COMPANIES
10. (1) An international company shall not:-

  (a) carry on business in Vanuatu;
  (b) acquire or own an interest in immovable property situate in
    Vanuatu other than a lease referred to in subsection (2)(b);
  (c) carry on banking business as defined by the Banking Act [Cap. 63]
  (d) carry on trust business as defined by the Trust companies Act [Cap.69];
  (e) carry on insurance business as defined by the Insurance Act [Cap. 82];
    or
  (f) carry on company management business;
  (g) at any time have less than one member;
  (h) make any invitation to the public to –
    (i) subscribe for any shares or debentures in the company; or
    (ii) deposit money with or lend money to the company.

I did find it amusing that they misspelled RESTRICTIONS in their document.  Wink


Yes, maybe I am naive, but what if Ken/AMC succeeds in getting delivery of those ASIC chips? What if he does use the money raised by offering shares to hire a good technical team and actually gets those mining rigs up and running?  Yes, I agree that he did some things in a sloppy way, and tends to some hyperbole, but so far, I do not see any evidence of outright fraud, only lack of some transparency. And yes, I am an adult who took a risk by investing with AMC. But, all of the people who invested in AMC, (I hope) are aware of the risks involved in any and all Bitcoin ventures. I am curious why those who have no horse in this race seem obligated to save and educate those of us either stupid enough or who like gambling or are willing to take risks?


Anyone with even a fraction of a bitcoin to their name has a horse in this race.  If those that know what they're doing allow new bitcoin users to blindly get scammed into oblivion, what future does bitcoin really have?  Not everyone can be a legal pro, or a technical pro, or a social pro, or a management pro.  We all have our strengths and weaknesses.  I tend to value insight from all walks, as it helps to form an overall picture of the risk involved in going with one investment or another.  (and really, all bitcoin investments should be considered gambles more than anything.)

What I dug up above is a minor legal oversight.  Minor just because no one cares much.  Even if the gov't of Vanuatu found out it'd probably be some pretty serious fines or something and AMC would just ignore them.

All AMC has to do is re-incorporate on a different island elsewhere and they should be just fine.  Smiley


Burnside, since you love doing it check this out: Seychelles.
legendary
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June 03, 2013, 04:40:56 PM
#19
Doh.

Quote
REPUBLIC OF VANUATU
INTERNATIONAL COMPANIES ACT
NO. 32 OF 1992

...

RESITRICTIONS ON INTERNATIONAL COMPANIES
10. (1) An international company shall not:-

  (a) carry on business in Vanuatu;
  (b) acquire or own an interest in immovable property situate in
    Vanuatu other than a lease referred to in subsection (2)(b);
  (c) carry on banking business as defined by the Banking Act [Cap. 63]
  (d) carry on trust business as defined by the Trust companies Act [Cap.69];
  (e) carry on insurance business as defined by the Insurance Act [Cap. 82];
    or
  (f) carry on company management business;
  (g) at any time have less than one member;
  (h) make any invitation to the public to –
    (i) subscribe for any shares or debentures in the company; or
    (ii) deposit money with or lend money to the company.

I did find it amusing that they misspelled RESTRICTIONS in their document.  Wink


Yes, maybe I am naive, but what if Ken/AMC succeeds in getting delivery of those ASIC chips? What if he does use the money raised by offering shares to hire a good technical team and actually gets those mining rigs up and running?  Yes, I agree that he did some things in a sloppy way, and tends to some hyperbole, but so far, I do not see any evidence of outright fraud, only lack of some transparency. And yes, I am an adult who took a risk by investing with AMC. But, all of the people who invested in AMC, (I hope) are aware of the risks involved in any and all Bitcoin ventures. I am curious why those who have no horse in this race seem obligated to save and educate those of us either stupid enough or who like gambling or are willing to take risks?


Anyone with even a fraction of a bitcoin to their name has a horse in this race.  If those that know what they're doing allow new bitcoin users to blindly get scammed into oblivion, what future does bitcoin really have?  Not everyone can be a legal pro, or a technical pro, or a social pro, or a management pro.  We all have our strengths and weaknesses.  I tend to value insight from all walks, as it helps to form an overall picture of the risk involved in going with one investment or another.  (and really, all bitcoin investments should be considered gambles more than anything.)

What I dug up above is a minor legal oversight.  Minor just because no one cares much.  Even if the gov't of Vanuatu found out it'd probably be some pretty serious fines or something and AMC would just ignore them.

All AMC has to do is re-incorporate on a different island elsewhere and they should be just fine.  Smiley
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June 03, 2013, 01:51:50 PM
#18
Doh.

Quote
REPUBLIC OF VANUATU
INTERNATIONAL COMPANIES ACT
NO. 32 OF 1992

...

RESITRICTIONS ON INTERNATIONAL COMPANIES
10. (1) An international company shall not:-

  (a) carry on business in Vanuatu;
  (b) acquire or own an interest in immovable property situate in
    Vanuatu other than a lease referred to in subsection (2)(b);
  (c) carry on banking business as defined by the Banking Act [Cap. 63]
  (d) carry on trust business as defined by the Trust companies Act [Cap.69];
  (e) carry on insurance business as defined by the Insurance Act [Cap. 82];
    or
  (f) carry on company management business;
  (g) at any time have less than one member;
  (h) make any invitation to the public to –
    (i) subscribe for any shares or debentures in the company; or
    (ii) deposit money with or lend money to the company.

I did find it amusing that they misspelled RESTRICTIONS in their document.  Wink


Yes, maybe I am naive, but what if Ken/AMC succeeds in getting delivery of those ASIC chips? What if he does use the money raised by offering shares to hire a good technical team and actually gets those mining rigs up and running?  Yes, I agree that he did some things in a sloppy way, and tends to some hyperbole, but so far, I do not see any evidence of outright fraud, only lack of some transparency. And yes, I am an adult who took a risk by investing with AMC. But, all of the people who invested in AMC, (I hope) are aware of the risks involved in any and all Bitcoin ventures. I am curious why those who have no horse in this race seem obligated to save and educate those of us either stupid enough or who like gambling or are willing to take risks?

legendary
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June 03, 2013, 01:41:01 AM
#17
Doh.

Quote
REPUBLIC OF VANUATU
INTERNATIONAL COMPANIES ACT
NO. 32 OF 1992

...

RESITRICTIONS ON INTERNATIONAL COMPANIES
10. (1) An international company shall not:-

  (a) carry on business in Vanuatu;
  (b) acquire or own an interest in immovable property situate in
    Vanuatu other than a lease referred to in subsection (2)(b);
  (c) carry on banking business as defined by the Banking Act [Cap. 63]
  (d) carry on trust business as defined by the Trust companies Act [Cap.69];
  (e) carry on insurance business as defined by the Insurance Act [Cap. 82];
    or
  (f) carry on company management business;
  (g) at any time have less than one member;
  (h) make any invitation to the public to –
    (i) subscribe for any shares or debentures in the company; or
    (ii) deposit money with or lend money to the company.

I did find it amusing that they misspelled RESTRICTIONS in their document.  Wink
legendary
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June 03, 2013, 12:44:59 AM
#16
kslaughter: I'm interested to hear what is your view on the extent to which AMC is subject to the securities laws a US entity.  Specifically, it's issuance of what seem to be equity investments denominated in BTC.

AMC has now been spun off as a foreign entity on a foreign exchange.  We have also posted a PPM on bitfunder.

Where did you incorporate?  Where is the exchange incorporated?

Cheers

Burnside, like you told me, figure it out yourself.  The stock exchange is on a RIPE address when you do a traceroute.

Indeed, in case you forgot, last time you were asking when it is clearly stated in the footer of every page of our site.  A courtesy not extended anywhere that I can find on virtualminingcorp.com.  Not here: http://www.virtualminingcorp.com/about.html ... not here: http://www.virtualminingcorp.com/contact.html  (which plants a flag somewhere in Missouri) ...  Not on the official thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/amc-the-official-active-mining-cooperative-discussion-158806  ... surely I'm missing something.  And ahhh, ok, I found Vanuatu on the Bitfunder Details page.  That was a fun game.   Roll Eyes

Regarding Bitfunder, I'd expect an old ISP guy like yourself to know the difference between country of incorporation and choice of hosting locale.  Not to mention the complexity adding Cloudflare up front adds.  So I can trace it to a Cloudflare POP, what does that buy me?  I was curious, because I don't think they say anything anywhere on their site either.  I'll ping Ukyo later I guess.

Cheers.
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June 02, 2013, 09:01:51 PM
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What do we really know about AMC?  

Any sheep who give you money deserve the shearing they will get.  But shame on Bitfunder for allowing it.

we know AMC has ordered 7 Avalon boxes and 20,000 Avalon chips.

Please man up and take your FUD to a Scam Accusation thread, if you're so sure the facts are on your side.
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June 02, 2013, 08:50:30 PM
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kslaughter: I'm interested to hear what is your view on the extent to which AMC is subject to the securities laws a US entity.  Specifically, it's issuance of what seem to be equity investments denominated in BTC.

AMC has now been spun off as a foreign entity on a foreign exchange.  We have also posted a PPM on bitfunder.

Where did you incorporate?  Where is the exchange incorporated?

Cheers

Burnside, like you told me, figure it out yourself.  The stock exchange is on a RIPE address when you do a traceroute.

Great transparency for a guy trying to raise money from the public.

Any sheep who give you money deserve the shearing they will get.  But shame on Bitfunder for allowing it.
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June 02, 2013, 07:59:26 PM
#13
kslaughter: I'm interested to hear what is your view on the extent to which AMC is subject to the securities laws a US entity.  Specifically, it's issuance of what seem to be equity investments denominated in BTC.

AMC has now been spun off as a foreign entity on a foreign exchange.  We have also posted a PPM on bitfunder.

Where did you incorporate?  Where is the exchange incorporated?

Cheers

Burnside, like you told me, figure it out yourself.  The stock exchange is on a RIPE address when you do a traceroute.
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June 02, 2013, 07:14:36 PM
#12
kslaughter: I'm interested to hear what is your view on the extent to which AMC is subject to the securities laws a US entity.  Specifically, it's issuance of what seem to be equity investments denominated in BTC.

AMC has now been spun off as a foreign entity on a foreign exchange.  We have also posted a PPM on bitfunder.

Where did you incorporate?  Where is the exchange incorporated?

Cheers
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June 02, 2013, 08:15:50 AM
#11
As is often the case, answers lead to more questions, but I won't flood the thread with them.  Best of luck!

Thanks.
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June 02, 2013, 12:27:10 AM
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As is often the case, answers lead to more questions, but I won't flood the thread with them.  Best of luck!
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June 01, 2013, 04:57:35 PM
#9
kslaughter: I'm interested to hear what is your view on the extent to which AMC is subject to the securities laws a US entity.  Specifically, it's issuance of what seem to be equity investments denominated in BTC.

AMC has now been spun off as a foreign entity on a foreign exchange.  We have also posted a PPM on bitfunder.
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May 31, 2013, 11:42:55 PM
#8
kslaughter: I'm interested to hear what is your view on the extent to which AMC is subject to the securities laws a US entity.  Specifically, it's issuance of what seem to be equity investments denominated in BTC.
sr. member
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May 30, 2013, 06:01:49 PM
#7
Out of interest, since now the public is the majority shareholder as Kslaughter only owns 40% of the company, can't the majority shareholders other than Ksluaghter get together and force more public disclosure? Going off on the deep end, since Kslaughter is no longer the majority shareholder, theoretically, if all the remaining shareholders get together and work together, can they vote out Kslaughter and take control of his company?

That would be nice, then I could have some time to get some real work done, instead of fighting fires here on bitcointalk.  Seriously, since you brought it up, I am going to be setting up a 9 director board to govern the cooperative.  1 share = 1 vote.
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May 30, 2013, 05:18:42 PM
#6
Out of interest, since now the public is the majority shareholder as Kslaughter only owns 40% of the company, can't the majority shareholders other than Ksluaghter get together and force more public disclosure? Going off on the deep end, since Kslaughter is no longer the majority shareholder, theoretically, if all the remaining shareholders get together and work together, can they vote out Kslaughter and take control of his company?
hf
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May 30, 2013, 04:03:56 PM
#5
Ok, did some research right now :
I found VMC here : https://delecorp.delaware.gov/tin/GINameSearch.jsp enter file number : 5324096

And if you whois virtualminingcorp.com , you'll find "Kenneth Slaughter" and the address of a house somewhere in Springfield, MO, which is consistant with all the press releases[1] starting with "SPRINGFIELD, MO"

[1] tab "news" on https://bitfunder.com/asset/AMC

Does AMC/VMC also have an outpost in San Jose, CA?
Never heard about this.

What percentage of shares are you keeping to yourself and will those shares be entitled to the dividents??
I own 40% of the company, or 40 million shares.  These 40 million shares do not receive dividends until the total dividends paid is .0005 per share and 12 months have elapsed from the date of the IPO May 1, 2013.  I have invested the 6 Avalon's which are paid for.  I am continuing to invest my time and talent developing AMC's IP which will bring the investors a 10% royalty on machines VMC sells with AMC technology.  The dividends are divided between the 40,000,000 issued shares of which 20,000,000 shares are in the growth and expansion fund.  This fund is used to purchase more mining machines from VMC or others.  AMC will receive dividends from unsold shares which will be used to purchase more mining machines, R & D, direct mining expenses, etc.
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May 30, 2013, 11:57:53 AM
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why dont you reply here buddy..

What percentage of shares are you keeping to yourself and will those shares be entitled to the dividents??
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May 30, 2013, 11:54:12 AM
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Ken,

Does AMC/VMC also have an outpost in San Jose, CA?
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May 27, 2013, 06:17:29 PM
#2
What are your feelings on AMC?  Granted, I only briefly browsed the massive thread - but what do we really know about the owners?

- Who owns it?
- Where are they located?
- When do they expect to start mining?
ETC


Kenneth E. Slaughter, CEO
Virtual Mining Corporation
www.virtualminingcorp.com
+1 (855) One-Bitcoin (663-2482) X700
Springfield, Missouri

As soon as the 6 Avalon's are received.  When I talked with Yifu at Bitcoin 2013, he indicated that they would be shipping batch 2 in about 2 weeks.
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May 27, 2013, 05:28:18 PM
#1
What are your feelings on AMC?  Granted, I only briefly browsed the massive thread - but what do we really know about the owners?

- Who owns it?
- Where are they located?
- When do they expect to start mining?
ETC
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