Topic: What do you think about campaign (Read 266 times)

even if campaign funds are held in escrow and the manager state duration the campaign, the project team can still stop it anytime and request the remaining funds back, unless the contract between them specifies otherwise.
if you are in a campaign, always assume it could end at any time, or payments might be delayed or not getting paid at all.


whats your point here exactly?

Based on this, I align with the opinion of yahoo62278. Make the duration open to participants doesn't mean much. In as much as we think it is beneficial to the participants, it also helps the campaign manager to attract quality posters, especially if the duration is long enough.

I also remember when Hhampuz was launching new campaigns he isn't sure of the durability. He'll simply say, I hold the fund to cover for 1 week, 2 weeks as the case may be. So, I don't think that any manager deliberately hide the duration of campaign if they know. This is because, even if the campaign will last for 1 day, there must be people willing to apply.

I understand OP’s concern about campaign duration transparency. It's a valid point, and I think it's a good practice for managers to be as transparent as possible with their participants. However, it's also important to remember that signature campaigns are often dynamic and can be influenced by various factors, such as budget fluctuations, client requirements, and unforeseen circumstances. While providing an estimated duration can be helpful, it's not always feasible to guarantee a specific timeline.

Perhaps a more practical approach would be for managers to communicate openly with their participants and provide updates as needed. This could involve sharing information about budget cycles, potential extensions, or any significant changes that may affect the campaign's duration.

Campaign managers indicating durations on their launching campaigns is absolutely beyond the forum order neither does participants has the right to employ that policies of managers stating their campaigns directions.
Mind you, some campaign managers are not even sure of how long the campaign they're managing would last and that's you could see some campaign's being paused in the forum simply the company hosting the campaign may have failed to refill the wallet in other for the management to disburse payments of participants.
You can even see where campaign management have been unable to pay participants in multiple due times supposed to have paid.
That's just to say that the company could compromise the deal via durations or fails to redeem refilling of wallets for payments.
For this reason, most reputable campaign managers declines from such job management offers because they chooses to maintain their reputations.
Else. Having Campaign duration on signal is a good one.
Moreover, I don't think a forum member who's in need of joining campaigns would even afford to decline from applying for a campaign just because the duration is short.
I guess such individual would keep being on bench and while craving for a long term serving campaigns, others would be glad to do the job in a short time since we ain't investing our fund on it so, no lost account. Besides, you can always apply for a new campaign even while already in a campaign. It's optional and it's real here in the forum.
I'd just rest to say the content of this thread is left for every campaign managers to decide if they'd let the public know or not about their opened campaigns.

Royce, I think you also do similar thing that Yahoo did but in another way. I remember when you make escrow balance public, telling participants how many weeks the escrow balance will cover. If you post an escrow balance and say that it will cover for 4 weeks, it means you have indirectly guaranteed that the campaign will last upto 4 weeks, then there can be refill subsequently.
So, a manager can only make such estimation when escrow is involved. But in some situations that the project owners pay participants directly, the manager wouldn't have a clue when the campaign will end.

yahoo62278, you are known for giving member ranks opportunity to participate in campaign, but it didn't happen in the recent campaign you launched.

This is not always the case. Some campaigns don't have funds secured in escrow. Some project owners decide on weekly payments to a manager who further distributes funds to campaign participants, while some decide to pay campaign participants directly at the end of each week.

The length of a campaign isn't set in stone.  Managers can't predict how long it'll go on - thats up to the people running the promotion.  If they wanna keep it going, then that's how long it lasts.  And if the money for the campaign is being held in escrow, the managers make that clear to people joining up.

Biggest boss, this in fact clarify everything the ops is asking, because, alot of members have open they own signature management business in the past, but only a few of you guys who are successful campaign managers in this space, that shows that the space is tougher than most regular forum members may thinks.

Royse777 and all the other successful signatures campaign managers, like Hhampuz, yahoo, ICOpress Little Mouse upgrade, brainboss and the rest of all the notable, successful managers that bitcointalk have, all you guys have shown hard work a d dedication even through hard and challenging time, more success comes your way all.

I am not a signature campaign manager but I have been here long enough to know how it works. Even the manager or the client who wants to run a campaign don't know the duration, they might state that they will continue if the results are good once it launched but signature campaigns doesn't bring whole set of customers just in a week or two, it's a slow process and even manager recommend the client to take the long path but ultimately the one who wants to spend the money decides how it's gonna be and manager just do what he was told to do.

Thanks you Rikafip for your inputs, I understand and from the above post made by people it's assumed that not all managers love to reveal that to their participants. Even though we don't know how much in their budgets or how they plans to run, I know for the duration of launched they will escrow funds with their manager on duration of launching and if there is anything to change they will update their manager to make adjustments. But however have seen your input and I so much appreciate it.

Yes and I completely understand you. The thing is I will have to say that I didn't place my statement correctly, maybe you find it not right if I used professionalism and sincerity. Well, if I may make you understand my words correctly is that they are trying to show the inner part of the campaign to their community just as the mentioned manager did, but haven heard from you its an honor to see your input.

Signature campaigns are not a contract but a business based on trust and reputation, Neither you or the clients know the campaign manger is a male or female, have a beautiful face or ugly, looks fat or slim - you get the idea what I mean.

If a manager knows and also believe that the campaign will stay longer then he can specify it otherwise the manager don't even know which one of their campaign is going to stop paying in the next week. So, I am not sure now how you will justify your professionalism and sincerity to the community.

I can see all us campaign managers are sincere to their profession. To be honest, if you are not sincere and fail to show professionalism then your clients have enough options to move on from you. If anyone is thinking campaign management is an easy job just like making regular posts on the forum then they are living in their imagination. If the profession was that easy then sure you would see almost all of the members had their own campaign management business and all of them would become highly successful like some of us in this space.

While I think that its definitely an added bonus if manager states for how many weeks the inital budget is enough and it can also be a sign of how serious acampaign is, I don't think that it should be mandatory thing. After all, how would you even enforce this?

Its like when you applying for a new job (not comparing signature campaign with an actual work, even though I know it is for some members) you usually have no idea for how long its going to last.

Thank you for your input and I sincerely honor's it because I know you are always open responding and addressing important issues.
That being said, I would have to lock this thread within 24 hrs or maybe after this page as I want more managers to also have their inputs here to also hear from their own version.

This is not a big deal. It’s up to the participants whether they want to risk their long teem spot for higher pay grade or not. This will test loyalty of participants to the brand they are promoting.

I think the most important topic that should be raised here is whether campaign manager should take in consideration the loyalty of campaign participants on their signature campaigns especially if they will replaced them by participants that keeps jumping on other campaigns leaving the spot that they free.

From a marketing perspective, the companies want to see the impacts of the companies. They're not just here to pay people to put on their logos and have links to their sites just for the fun of it, they want results. So they can't just state a specific period without knowing what they stand to gain. They may have a specific time within the team and company but the forum is lenient enough to let them not state it. So I kind of understand them.

Each marketing campaign has goals, it could be to create awareness, generate traffic, or improve sales. Whichever it is, the company has ways to measure them and if they feel teyre not getting what they want or they're spending more than they're earning they'll either stop the campaign or redefine it. Its the same with the signature campaigns on the forum.

First, before submitting your application for participation in the company signature, you should read the manager's terms, where sometimes it is clearly and distinctly written in black and white that the manager has the right to stop the company and make changes at any time. In the same way, the manager has the right to end your participation in his company signature if he is not satisfied with something.
 If those people run from the company because of the cost of paying for posts to another company, this is their choice.
In conclusion, you should always understand who benefits from being a participant in the company signature. You need this more because if you demand your terms, the manager will always choose a person who is ready to participate according to his rules.
In the same way, do not forget, that participation in the signature company is a privilege given to you by the forum and not someone's responsibility.

What does all this disclaimer mean to you?

I had to quote some few managers and the campaign rules or terms and conditions that shows that even if a specific period is mentioned for the campaign to run it can still be terminated.

So in my opinion it doesn't really matter whether the duration of the campaigns are mentioned or not as it's not even certain with the manager if the campaign will last or not it all depends on the campaign owners to decide if they want to continue or not.

It sounds like you're viewing signature campaigns as a career with job security, but that’s not really how it works. Campaign managers aren't required to say how long a campaign will last, and each has their own style. It’s up to you to apply where you feel comfortable, but remember there's no guarantee of acceptance.

Some managers might not provide specific timelines because they want participants to work well and help make the campaign successful long-term. We have to understand that any campaign can end at any time -- that’s just how it is here. I think you're new, but I've been in a lot of campaigns before. Some last long, some end quickly. What I’ve learned is, as long as you stay active on the forum, there will always be new opportunities. Personally, I didn't expect my current campaign to last, but we’re on week 41 now, which means the company has the budget and the casino is meeting its goals.

And how are the managers supposed to know the exact duration? Care to explain?

For example, suppose you are a campaign manager, and you hold 10 weeks' worth of funds for the XYZ campaign. After 5 weeks, the client asks you to end the campaign and return the remaining funds. Could you have predicted this?

Managers can give you an estimated duration based on the budget. Even that could change anytime, if the client no longer wants your service. What will you do then? That's why CMs normally do not include any specific duration. No promise is better than fake promises.

This is not a Meta issue!! That being said, managers do not have to post the duration of a campaign and noone can make them. Signature campaigns are ran by the managers, not the forum. We don't even have to make the spreadsheet public if we choose not to.

I post the duration if I can as I know people chase that dollar. If 1 campaign is going to last for 1 week and pays $20 a post but your current campaign is going to last for 1 year and pays $3 per post, you have the info to make your decision. I want people to know so I can attract better users as well.

Should probably lock this thread since alot of the answers you have already should suffice.

Well I don't agree with this. Although not all managers know exactly when a campaign will end , the fact is they will definitely have an estimate of how long the campaign may last. They are campaign managers so they are able to calculate based on what the project wants and how much the project is Willing to spare on advertising via signature campaigns on the forum. If you are saying they don't know at all how long the campaign will last based on their potential then indirectly you are saying they won't be able to tell the pay rate for example.

Different campaign managers have different approaches and the truth is the ones that enscrow funds know exactly when the campaign will end based on what they have at hand. If they will last or not , one campaign manager will still take up the management offer regardless anyways.

Now answer me, how can the campaign managers make sure the campaign duration if the project representative didn't specifically tell the campaign duration?

I don't know what the campaign managers make a deal with the representative, but I'm sure they make it easy, otherwise not many project want to promote in this forum. If you're the project owner which one will you choose "give 10 weeks campaign funds" or "refill the funds every week"? for the business, they will not want to spend much if they didn't get anything, while refill every week will give you a choice to continue or stop the campaign if there's no progress.

Yeah the campaign managers can convince the representative, but after all they have brain and not want in loss.

Oh wait, 10 week budget doesn't necessary mean it will run for 10 week, the representative can ask to stop the campaign and refund the remaining campaign budget (although it depends on the agreement).

Some managers don't know how long a campaign will last; it's all depends on the result the project gets from the promotion, and if they decide to continue, that's how long the campaign will last.
 
For clarity, if the campaign fund is escrowed, most managers make it known to the participants that's this amount is what I hold for so so month it's left for you to be part of the campaign or you leave it.
 
There are also some cases where the duration of the campaign might be stated and the project can still decide to end the campaign half way, which I believe they have the right to, which is part of the reason why a declaimer about the manager of the project having the right to end the campaign when ever is found in most of the signature thread.

If the project states how long it will last, I think it's also okay for the manager to let everyone know about that, but it's not a mandatory thing, in my opinion.


Since the thread is about signature payment, I think it should be under the service section and not meta.

Every campaign manager with their own unique way of doing business, and if you have been around the forum for some years now you will notice that Yahoo62278 always state the duration of his signatures campaign, either directly or indirectly he gives clue to how long he NG the campaign can last.

Also some managers like Hhampuz and etc give duration for the campaign, but note also that the company reserve the right to how long the signature campaign will last, the manager is just and employee like other signature participants, and he who pay the vipers dictate the tone, the campany can decide to run the signature campaign for years or decide to call it a halt any time, their have the funds and pays everybody so their have the final say.

I know it's very hard to start up this discussion but I think we can also give more light to this, many would want to question me about raising this topic but we must know that in things we do there should a form of professionalism.

I have tried to find out most campaign that are being launched in BTC payment sig do not always state their duration except for those campaign that has stayed for about 1-4 years.

On the recently launched campaign by Yahoo62278 where he stated the duration got my attention and interest to raise this topic, although I could had created this post onbefore now but trying to see the percentage ratios on manager who do state their campaign duration just as he did.
The show a level of professionalism and sincerity to the community and it's left for the participants to apply or not, which i noticed most manager doesn't include while launching their campaign.

NB: I am not discrediting any manager neither siding anyone here and from my view they are all good and trusted, but the aspect of not including duration of their launched campaign makes it improper or doesn't have value for their community.

My question is;
Do you think managers should start including duration of campaign or should let their participants take the risk of applying, maybe after one or two weeks the campaign ends. Do you want it that way?

Because I have seen some participants leaving their long lasting campaign to a more higher paying campaign and after 2-4 weeks they ended, is a results that those manager aren't that open to their applicants to know how longer it would last to enable them make their choice before joining the campaign they launched.

Please share your thoughts., And if here is not the right section to post please also do well to tell me so I can move it to right board. But now I post it here.