Topic: What do you think??!http://minerscube.com/shop/ 1BTC X 1TH/S FAST 20 nm (Read 18402 times)

I feel absolutely no pity for anyone who will lose BTC in this obvious sham because you'd have to have the IQ of a mushroom to believe any of this.

Thanks for the alert !!

Ok I respond.

Give us your office adress in China, with foto's of the office outside/inside and products.

And please, tell us if we can trade hand-in-hand in China.

If your offer is good enough, I can send a friend to do business, or be there myself in may this year.

Hah, this just gave me my morning dose of laughter.

15 TH/s for 15 BTC, and they're saying it only utilizes 2,500 watts? Wow. Might as well throw in a free leprechaun that has a Pot-o-BTC radar, I'd be utterly convinced to purchase if that was the case.

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Hmmm..I don't see how they can produce in the quantities required to keep up with the upcoming difficulty increases by the end of the year.
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Hmmmm....what? What do you think causes the difficulty increase?

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Hmmm..I don't see how they can produce in the quantities required to keep up with the upcoming difficulty increases by the end of the year.

I believe Intel will begin shipping 18nm chips this quarter and I understand that 14nm are under development now.
That level will filter down to ASIC chips very soon. KnC have already announced their next iteration will use 20nm technology.
So, yes we will see 20nm lower power consumption miners becoming more readily available. It would not surprise me if Cointerra's next development is 20nm ... The June release maybe the last of their 28nm production.

The question is, when are going to see a 1TH/s miner with a 20nm process for around 5BTC?

If this type of hardware doesn't come out before the end of the year a 200A residential service will not be handle running enough miners to make a profit by the middle of summer.

As I haven't had a response from minerscube to my request for them to prove to me they are genuine after one full week. I have to believe that they really are a scam and cannot recommend them to anyone ... If you've sent across any BTC I wish you good luck and hope I'm wrong and you do get a machine from them.

Anyhow, I'm off to Cointerra to order a TM iv for June delivery.

Why is this even being discussed as if it might be vaguely legit? 

There are plug-ins for online shopping carts now which take the current marketprice and convert it into BTC live.  Once you purchase with BTC, there's an option to convert it fiat for deposit to your bank account right away to reduce market risk. Coinbase offers this for its customers. So I'd have to say that the point of displaying BTC as a shopping cart value, isn't necessarily a risk factor.  That being said, I'm not supporting the claims here made by minerscube, I have to agree with the other forum members that it appears to be very, very, high risk.

https://bitmaintech.com/productDetail.htm?pid=00020140107162747992Ce5uBuxW06D6 ?

Well yes when orders start at 6.5 BTC/unit of course they'd go to 'extraordinary lengths', fool 10 people and they've made a nice profit in return for slapping together a basic website and replying to some emails.

Happy to be proven wrong but seriously people don't give your money away that easily.

TSMC's 20nm factory isn't even finished so I doubt some no names will be getting 20nm chips first out the door.

Well bronan, May isn't that far away and we'll all know then whether they are blowing smoke or being serious.
20nm chips are the cutting edge product, Intel will be shipping 18nm chips this year, next quarter I believe. AMD are working on 14nm chips that should be available next year. That technology will filter down to ASIC chips soon.
There does seem to be a disparity between the theoretical performances manufacturers quote and reality, take Cointerra who claimed 2Th/s and 1650 watts for their Terraminer iv ... the reality is 1.2 - 1.6 Th/s and 2000 - 2100 watts.

So do I believe if minerscube are real that they have 20nm chips ... sure, why not, it's the newest technology and someone has to be first adopting it and we don't know what abilities the supposed technical crew have.

Do I believe their machines will perform at the rates they claim ... highly doubtful, there has not been a single machine released to date that has performed to the specs quoted by anyone.

Do I believe they are genuine ... Well they're certainly going to extraordinary lengths to convince people to invest with them if they are a scam. Perhaps far greater than I'd expect them to go, but time will tell.

Unless I see some convincing evidence they are genuine and do have a miner developed for May delivery, I wont be risking an initial delivery order.

Available  hahaha serious nobody not even knc has 20 nm chips available nor do any of the competition have any
And they have a 15 Th machine available now common guys its impossible
The only ones able to get these machines out now are the know ones who have experience with 28 nm products

Today I received this reply to my email including the detailed whois information posted by yelloyello ...

Hi Michael.

I was really suprised when I saw this. I saw topic that you linked to, but I wonder what source is this information from. User that provide this is not giving the source, and we are 100% sure that this is wrong.(yelloyello please comment)
I opened support ticket in our hosting provider system, and I want to get explanation of this (if this is true). If I will have any additional information I will let you know.

In the end I can tell you. We are not connected with this persone from Pakistan.
I dont know why this is apperaring (actually I don know even where this is appearing).
In our domain settings is absolute diffrent data set.

About Netherlands. I am sorry but I dont know how works our hosting company behind the scenes. We do not have control over it.

Regards.
Feng.
Minerscube.com
[email protected]
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With Cointerra now selling June delivery Terraminer iv I have sent a further email to Feng asking him for definitive proof that they are a legitimate company with a real product to sell that will be delivered as promised in May.
I will be making a final decision and confirming an order on Wednesday 5 March.
The numbers for me look like this ...

Minerscube 8.5 ... 20nm technology 8.5Th/s at 1400 watts
Terraminer iv ... 28nm technology 2Th/s at 2100 watts

Minerscube 8.5 ... 9.8 BTC including delivery via UPS
effective cost in NZD ... 9.8BTC = approx $7,000 plus tax on importation 15% $1050 total $8050

Terraminer iv ... USD$5999 + delivery via UPS $821.78 = $6820.78
effective cost in NZD ... USD$6820.78 = USD/NZD 0.83 ... $8217.81 plus tax on importation 15% $1232.67 total $9450.48

As you can clearly see to buy a known product that will be delivered in June but operates at 25% of the other and uses 50% more electricity costs me $1400 more or 2BTC

This why I really really want minerscube to be genuine, at current difficulty it's the difference between earning daily 0.27 BTC (approx) with the TM iv against 1.06 (approx) with the cube 8.5
* those figures are based on the performance of a pair of TM's I monitor, they run at at 1.2 - 1.6 Th/s and discover .48 - .51 BTC daily. I assumed new TM's would hash at around 1.8 and used the same ratio for the cube 8.5 so the numbers were realistic not fantasy.

I'll let you what I finally decide, but it's looking like I'll suck it up, take the hit and order from Cointerra. Once I see that Minerscube are shipping and are performing as quoted, I'll be switching to them I think.

lol i detect scam xD

Analyzing their email:

- "Most of us are working in public sector"
>>>So they work for the government. So not allowed to run a private company. Ok we mark this...

- "We cannot also resign from our jobs because on our university...etc"
>>> So they are teachers or so, because they use "public tools to build, develope and test"
That is risky in China, being a teacher and running a shadow company, that can cost years of prison

- Also in this risky situation they will accept lots of money for a product that is hard to develop (after school hours?) and "hard to find chips" and "hard to find production line"

"we could sell our products at a much higher price, but we decided that risk is too big"
>>> So the teachers take a lot of risk, but they won't big money for that risk?

Resuming: A few teachers (university) take the tools of the school to develop a miner, while they are not allowed to do this, and also are not allowed to run a private company. And they order tapes of chips, production lines, taking money upfront worldwide, and are planning to be the biggest mining hardware company in the world. So they want to make a big name in industry and must do their job in secret?


"no further questions your honour"

Those of you that have the skills might be able to decipher something useful from the email header ...

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Authentication-Results: hotmail.com; spf=none (sender IP is 162.222.213.11) [email protected]; dkim=none header.d=minerscube.com; x-hmca=none [email protected]
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 17:16:32 -0600
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Contact Us Form submitted on Minerscube - the most powerful
 20nm ASIC miners on the market
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They using an escrow service so they must be legit? lol

Thanks for posting that information.
I have copied it and sent it to Feng who is the person that has replied to my email and I'll let you know what reply I receive.
Meantime in the interest of full disclosure, here is the reply I've received to far ...

Hi Michael, thank you for interesting in our products and your very informative message.

Sorry for delay (we are flooded with tons of emails).

I will try to explain everything as precisely as possible.

We are located in Beijing in China. This was a tough decision for us.
Provide data or not. We decided to
not, and here I will try to explain you why.

First of all and the most important:

Our technology is very innovative. We used lot of things that is not used by any other company.
We cannot give you our exact location. We are afraid that someone would steal our projects or even ready made devices.

Another thing is that today only couple manufactures are able to make 20 nm ASIC chips. It is very hard to find it and even harder to get really fast production deadline. Thats the reason why we do not want to share it with anybody. This is really big money in the game, so just please, understand us.

Third, but also important. Most of us are working in public sector. Here in China we cannot work in any other job, and have our own company. We cannot also resign from our jobs because on our university we have all the tool we need to build our Minerscube (and we are hiding that we are using public tools to build, develope and test Minerscube). This is tough situation for us, but we try to make everything to satisfy our customers.
We know, that we could sell our products at a much higher price, but we decided that risk is too big and this is the price we pay for it.

If this project will end with success (and as for now everything is going that way), we will begin to be officially as an independent entity.

To be honest in 2014 and 2015 we plan to incerase network hashrate for over 150 PH/s. We believe that we can be the biggest mining hardware company in the world. We want to provide new level of culture in this business. We believe that people deserve to get unused (except testing
purposes) devices and in time.
Also we can tell that every minning device available on current market is overpriced. So stay in touch.
You will hear about us again!

P.S. The most trustful company now KnCMiners. In their first days of life they was insulting by almost everyone as scammers etc. untill they did not deliver their firs device. We hope the same will be in our case. More, we are sure about this.

Regards.
Feng.
Minerscube.com
[email protected]

First, who rented the server: (DNS record)
netname:        DEDISERVELIMITED-NET
descr:          Dediserve Limited
person:         Salman Habib
address:        Kamyana Web Inc
address:        36 H Shadman Town
address:        Sahiwal
address:        Punjab
address:        Pakistan
phone:          +923214018495
nic-hdl:        SH5585-RIPE
mnt-by:         C4L-MNT
source:         RIPE # Filtered
% Information related to '109.104.96.0/19AS25577'

So where is the server really? >A-Record: www.minerscube.com -> minerscube.com -> [ 162.222.213.94  ]

OrgName:        USWHSS.COM
OrgId:          RL-151
Address:        820 W. Danforth Rd., B-20
City:           Edmond
StateProv:      OK
PostalCode:     73003-5006
Country:        US
RegDate:        2013-09-13
Updated:        2013-10-21
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CIDR:           162.222.212.0/22
OriginAS:       AS393277
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NetType:        Direct Allocation
Comment:        Standard NOC hours are 7am to 11pm Central Time
RegDate:        2013-10-09
Updated:        2013-10-09
Ref:            http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-162-222-212-0-1

Second, where goes the email: (MX record = 0   minerscube.com   162.222.213.94 )

route:          109.104.96.0/19
descr:          via C4L
origin:         AS25577
mnt-by:         C4L-MNT
source:         RIPE # Filtered
% This query was served by the RIPE Database Query Service version
Email responsible: Hostmaster E-mail address: admin.rivalhost.com
Registrar Abuse Contact Email: [email protected]
Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +1.4252744500
Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited
Registry Registrant ID:
Registrant Name: TODD REAGOR
Registrant Organization: RIVALHOST.COM LLC
Registrant Street: 5204 SUMMIT DRIVE
Registrant City: EDMOND
Registrant State/Province: OK
Registrant Postal Code: 73034
Registrant Country: US
Registrant Phone: +1.18775754678
OrgName:        USWHSS.COM
OrgId:          RL-151
Address:        820 W. Danforth Rd., B-20
City:           Edmond
StateProv:      OK
PostalCode:     73003-5006
Country:        US
RegDate:        2013-09-13
Updated:        2013-10-21
Ref:            http://whois.arin.net/rest/org/RL-151

And now watch this: The responsible for the Reversed DNS is in the Netherlands on a local ADSL

Your reverse (PTR) record:
94.213.222.162.in-addr.arpa ->  static-162-222-213-94.uswhss.com
role:           ZIGGO CO BACKBONE AND SECURITY
address:        Winschoterdiep 60
address:        9723 AB Groningen
address:        The Netherlands
phone:          +31(0)88 717 0000
admin-c:        ZIPA1-RIPE
tech-c:         DM1718-RIPE
tech-c:         GH1829-RIPE
nic-hdl:        ZBBS1-RIPE
abuse-mailbox:  [email protected]
mnt-by:         ZIGGO-MNT
source:         RIPE # Filtered

Since none of the IP's are connecting with China, this has nothing to do with some guys in China.
If it was real, then why they need an IP from Ziggo in the Netherlands for their email??
So when you think you are robbed, call the police in Groningen, and let them ask Ziggo for the name and adress of the ADSL customer behind the IP 94.213.222.162
>> you can also ask Ziggo for a "Notice and take-down" form....

Appears to have all the hallmarks of a scam, so be careful.

20nm chips - KNC hasn't even delivered these chips yet.
Discount for trust - a 50% discount on asic hardware in a prime market?
Escrow - Which escrow?

I'd steer clear, too much doesn't add up.  Too many of these shops offering hardware are appearing and taking BTC and running.

This is the email I sent to them ... I have had a reply from them and I'm happy with what they have told me as it fits with what I know about doing business in China with Chinese. That doesn't mean I am ready yet to part with any BTC though, I will remain cautious for the moment.

Greetings from New Zealand.
There have been many new mining products introduced into the market
over the last 6-12 months. Without exception all of the machines
introduced into the market have been delivered late and all of them
under perform from the quoted specifications.
There have also been several companies that have been setup with the
deliberate intention of defrauding people of their money. There was
never machines developed or delivered and lots of money was stolen
away. It appears that http://www.xtrememiners.net/ is the most recent of
these.
People are afraid.
Your machines sound to good to be true. The hash rates you are quoting
compared to the power consumption is far ahead of any other
manufacturers claims. This alone gives people the impression of
unreality and creates a belief that these machines are not possible
and investing money with you will result in them losing out.
This belief is not helped by you not accepting a fully traceable money
transaction ... A USD or other currency bank transfer. As you well
know the owner of a BTC wallet can be completely anonymous and even
ficticious.
Your terms of trade expressly ruling out refunds unless you do not
deliver also sounds less than desirable.
Couple all of these things with your location, China and it is not
surprising that already your validity is being brought into question.
If you wish to dispel these myths and be recognised as a genuine
manufacturer that does intend to deliver on it's promises, it would be
very wise of you to show that you have got working product now by
posting pictures and preferably video of your machine on the
bitcointalk forum, youtube or vimeo and making them accessible for
people to see.
Selecting beta testers and supplying them with machines to test would
also benefit your case.
I do hope you find my suggestions helpful and that you are a genuine
bona-fide company that is intending to deliver on your promises.
At the moment your machines would be the most advanced available.
Yours Sincerely

You had a good idea of posting before buying because you would've lost money. This is a scam. All their miners are the same and it doesn't even look like a miner. The other indicator is that they display their prices in btc which no mining company would do because bitcoin is too volatile curently. Just think that the price of btc would go at 100$? Would they leave their prices in btc?

I'd like to believe it's true and that they really will deliver a machine as quoted .... But ...

I sent them a long email full of questions a few days back and haven't heard from them yet. It'll be interesting to see what they reply or even if they do.

scam 100%

You call that a fancy render? Looks more like a speaker with a logo photoshopped (maybe MS painted) on top.

My favorite part: 15TH Power consumption: 2475 watt (0.165 per GH) (wow 5 times as efficient as KNC 20nm!)

Don't forget overclocking (what kind of power supply does this thing have? 5000W?)

In all seriousness nobody actually believes this shit right? Scammers are getting lazy.

Total scam.

Never pre-order from these kinds of sites, unless you want to pre-order a fancy CGI render.

I smell scam a lot... and it stinks as fuck. Their hashrate is WAY too good to be true. KNC hasn't even released a miner that mines so quickly.

Privacy Protection Service INC d/b/a PrivacyProtect.org ======   SCAM!!!

lol even their "office" is cgi.

Suspiciously similar whois to https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/wts-new-r9-270x280x290x-cheap-470053

I'd suspect same scammer(s) involved.

Rit.

Domain Name: MINERSCUBE.COM
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Registrar: NetEarth One, Inc.
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Registrar Abuse Contact Email:
Registrar Abuse Contact Phone:
Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited
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Registrant Street: C/O ID#10760, PO Box 16 Note - Visit PrivacyProtect.org to contact the
domain owner/operator Note - Visit PrivacyProtect.org to contact the domain owner/operator 
Registrant City: Nobby Beach
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Admin Street: C/O ID#10760, PO Box 16 Note - Visit PrivacyProtect.org to contact the domain
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Admin City: Nobby Beach
Admin State/Province: Queensland
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Admin Country: AU
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Tech Street: C/O ID#10760, PO Box 16 Note - Visit PrivacyProtect.org to contact the domain
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Tech City: Nobby Beach
Tech State/Province: Queensland
Tech Postal Code: QLD 4218
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Tech Phone:
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Name Server: ns1.bitcoin-dns.com
Name Server: ns2.bitcoin-dns.com
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URL of the ICANN WHOIS Data Problem Reporting System:
http://wdprs.internic.net/

Registration Service Provided By: BITCOINWEBHOSTING.NET

...AND NOT ONLY THAT!

these pre-order scams are making my head spin.

> Located in China
> "At the moment, we are able to provide the most powerful miners on the market."
> 50% off

COULD be legit, but I doubt that. Looks like a scam to me.

scam.

What do you think??! SCAM?
Scam? 1btc for 1th/s....

 

http://minerscube.com/shop/