Topic: What Donald Trump Can Do With North Korea - Melania Is In New York Now (Read 2599 times)

There is no need to trust Kim Jong Un. If an agreement is reached between Trump and Kim Jong Un, then it becomes the responsibility of China and Russia to make sure that Kim sticks to his part of the deal. And till now, Kim Jong Un has respected the deals which he has made with his allies, and he is having somewhat good relations with Xi Jinping and Putin.

Yes, such outcome will be the best for everybody, people of North and South Korea, America and world but real question is how to achieve it without war and potential nuclear attack.
Do you remember how West and East Germany united in 1990?
Unification came because east German regime collapsed inside.
Nobody could attack them because of protection from USSR and possible nuclear war.
I'm sure that the same scenario is inevitable here.
Current regime in North Korea will collapse inside, soon or later.
When this happen, South Korea and America should be ready to help the North and for the peaceful reunification of North and South Korea.
Any other scenario can lead to nuclear war and disaster.
America should also persuade China to stop helping the regime in the North Korea.
If America succeeds in this, the collapse of the North Korea will happen very quickly, quietly and without war.

I hope for your own good that you don't honestly believe NK is a more militarily powerful nation than the US. Even so, trust me, no one in their right mind wants a nuclear war. Don't let yourselves get caught up in the media sensationalism that there is going to be a nuclear war between the US and any other nation in the world any time soon. The media is only doing what it does best... fear-mongering. And Kim is doing what Kim does best... making threats he has no intentions of backing up. The fat little dictator is full of hot air.

You can say anything, but I haven't seen hungry people neither in Russia nor in Ukraine. These economies are in really bad shape, but there is no famine. The quality of food is of course bad, but that is another question.

Bullshit. May be some regions, but besides the low per capita income, sanctions have slashed the value of the ruble. They have some natural resources, but agricultural exports have sucked since the Soviet Union collapsed. Farms lost subsidy; it's taken a while to recover as a national market. They have the land, the Climate as well, but the infrastructure is lacking. And this wasn't always the case, the state sponsored model was pretty efficient.

Yeah right....


139$ dollars a month. You realize that is the same as some of us make with a signature campaign?
And there are 20 millions living on that.

Don't even try to compare prices , prices in Russia are at best only 50% off western Europe , while Moscow is still one of the most expensive cities in the world to live.

And if they have that much food they were growing themselves, why do they imported so much from Europe and now they are seeking to buy from Turkey, China and India?

Yes, they give false information. In Russia and Ukraine there are many natural resources for the cultivation of animals and plants, they simply can not starve. I would rather believe that in Africa they are starving.

What can anyone trust agreements with a dictator? It seems to me that the best option for the world and the Koreans, too, is the overthrow of Kim Jong-UN and the construction in North Korea of the same state as in South Korea or the Union of these States.

it will be the third world war and Northern Korea will be destroyed . The Northern and southern Korea will become a united country of Korea. Who will win in the third world war? Just image and guess the winner.

Do you really think that North Korea has the tech to be able to fully bombard a place in which the United States is going to be protecting and is protecting with I think 14,000 US troops stationed at the Demilitarized Zone. This just isn't going to happen in the least.

Plus, I didn't even put into the fact that South Korea and the US have much superior military tech when you're going to be comparing them with the North Korea as most of their armaments are I think from the Cold War Era where the Soviets and the Chinese gave them all of this military equipment.

We'll try to avoid it, but if needed America will intervene alongside South Korea and China in order to topple this horrid regime.

An ideal solution would be some sort of a deal with North Korea, in which the dictatorship gives up its nuclear program in exchange for solid guarantees that there will be no missile attack on its defense facilities.

You obviously don't understand situation in Korea now.
People in North Korea are brainwashed and trust their leaders absolutely.
Seoul, capitol of South Korea, is very near the border.
If America attack North Korea, in a few hours Seoul can be bombarded and destroyed, and millions of people killed or wounded.
Because of this open attack on North Korea can't be a realistic option.
China can help to solve this crisis, and it seems that their leaders are finally ready to make necessary steps in order to stop nuclear program in North Korea.
Any act of aggression against North Korea could lead to large and unforeseeable consequences.
We have to avoid it at all costs.
Trump have no choice but to work together with China in order to solve this problem.

I am very often in Ukraine and Russia. If you compare the standard of living in the big cities the fact is it is a little higher than in Ukraine, but if you compare the standard of living in small towns and villages that people live better in Ukraine. Besides, the prices for food in Ukraine are lower and there is no hunger. I don't know how to conduct such research in the UN, but it seems to me that they are not correct.

Have you ever been to Russia? The western media paints a picture of Russia where the parents struggle to feed their children. Come out of the media mirage. If you want to see such scenarios, then you don't need to go too far. As per the latest reports, close to 60% of the Ukrainians are starving.

The best thing Trump can do is pull off the border and get a couple of missiles up his ass

Amazing people you are Russian. How can it be so that the life becomes worse, and the economy is growing. I guess you're just victims of propaganda. Sanctions do not act immediately, but they start a destructive tool and you will feel a few years after they are canceled. Unless of course they cancel. The Russian behavior is very similar to the behavior of North Koreans. Maybe because they are also Communists?

The economy had 3 years of deep recession. Nearly all of their emergency funds are depleted. The only thing that really gives them profit right now is the defense sector.
They have increasing profits from arms trading several years in a row now.

Syria is not only in russias sphere of influence - but one of the biggest arms show since afghanistan and iraq.
And putin knows how to use it as PR for russias defense sector.

What about social affairs? Why raise taxes and energy prices and why cut pensions and salaries? Horse, but Russia is a big country and it's easier to cope with difficulties

You are mistaken about Russia. The ongoing sanctions are having hardly any impact. It is true that the Russian economy has been hit hard by the low crude oil prices, but the economic growth has resumed after many months of contraction.

Trump has driven himself into a trap and risks starting a nuclear war with North Korea. He played in the role of president and a serious war could begin in which China will help to defeat North Korea.

It seems to me that the hours of ultimatum to Kim Jong-UN is already running. China does not want the neighborhood to such an inadequate regime. The Chinese have the opportunity to eliminate the threat by proxy. Perhaps the war is already inevitable.

Russia can be brought down economically. Happened twice in the last 30 years, once with the URSS and once with Russia in 1998.

With North Korea, you can't do this. They don't have a f** economy in the first place.
It's like trying to starve monkeys by putting an embargo on bananas.

This will be dangerous. In such a deal, China is going to guarantee the safety of North Korea. In case of any unilateral missile attacks from the US warships, China will be forced to respond, by targeting the American bases in South Korea and Japan.

Well I think kim is just one small wrong move away from getting his ass kicked. And if us attacks, nokor would most likely be on it's own as it's known allies like china would have second thoughts on helping out as kim hasn't been listening to anyone concerning his nuke tests even to china. And to think that this happened after trump met with xi jinping.

Whatever it was, but it seems to me that the threat posed by North Korea is much less of the threat emanating from Russia. And I don't see any steps from the Trump to this threat to prevent.

Russian bots are pissing their pants because if trump goes hard on NK then logically next are nations that are under control of russia

And nevertheless what RT says, russia will lose badly.

I am sure that the government of North Korea will not listen to anyone. People already already consider their ruler a deity. Perhaps it is from this country that the third world war will begin.

China invited the Koreans to renounce nuclear weapons and to guarantee their safety. After the same security guarantee for Ukraine in 1994, Russia, UK and USA we know how that ended. What do you think will respond to North Korea?

Just like Iraq,Afghanistan have lost their stability and peace after US invasion,same would happen in North Korea.But this time, the game is quiet different.Iraq and Afghanistan had no nuclear weapons and were easily targeted by US.But not North Korea,it has nuclear weapons.

Well to be honest, they couldn't have got where they are if they were complete degenerates. But this sudden bombings and deployed aircraft carriers weren't something that he needed because that's why some of the people voted for him and now he's slowly turning out to be just like Hillary to some degree. You mean about NK? Well they've been doing that stuff for quite some time now but they're getting cocky with the missile testing and threats too.

This is hilarious!!!!
Of course North Korea is stronger than the US , but the most powerful in the world is the probably the Senegalese army

Now, if anyone thinks it can anticipate what trump will do next, start trading because you sure have a damn accurate crystal ball.

nato is done for, nato is useful , china is /not a currency manipulator, i will jail Hillary....not.
Honestly I won't be amazed if in 3 years he ends up marrying her.

God knows what will happen if he finds a few memes about North Korea on the net and Ivanka tells him they are disgusting.

The DPRK is a nuclear nation, and according to the experts they have somewhere around 40 to 50 nuclear warheads in their possession. Even if they can launch just one of them successfully, it can cause the deaths of millions of people.

I don't think that Americans can win a war with North Korea. North Korea is much stronger than Americans.  Trump was made some serious mistakes and I hope for his own good, doesn't do more.

You americans seem to be slow learners . Every time you guys acted "pre-emptively" the situation always turned from bad to seriously fucked up.

The only external force that would ever probably invade NK righteously would be South Korea.
But it's never going to happen because the people of North Korea are so indoctrinated they would fight till the death for their oppressor, they would only logically see their liberators as attackers and invaders.

I have to agree. We didn't do anything military under Obama and the situation escalated to its current point; I'm not saying there weren't reasons, but ultimately, sanctions failed. Now that it has developed to a point that they are actually a serious threat, it would be wise to cut the head off of the snake, so to speak. To be passive additionally would only bolster the resolve to complete their program. And no one wants NK with a true ICBM.

Unfortunately I don't see much intelligence nor no Trump Ivanka. It is foolish to wait when they do something bad. You need to be proactive. Do you agree?

If you ask me, I'd say leave them alone until he makes some stupid move like launching missiles or some external dodgy business. Then you go in, take him down and after he's down, I don't think that people would be that much in grief, since we know what situation is in there and i you look at it, liberated NK can be a great source of cheap work labor since they're used to working like that and the whole NK could become flooded with big companies looking for cheap labor so it would become far more industrialised and also there are a lot of people from NK and SK that are separated by that war.

He's breaking the US-Russian relations and bombing Syria
Both things Hillary voters were up for
Not Trump voters
I don't believe we can assume what's Trump going to do
He already broke too many of his initial promises


I believe South Korea has substantial defenses.
And Kim shouldn't be that dumb to use the nuclear option, because he'll just get himself and his entire country killed.

Not sure, how to interpret your english, sir.

How exactly do North Koreans endanger your life, not to mention "all lives of inhabitants of the earth in general"? Cant you sleep at night, because you think NK commandoes watch your every step? Do you lock your doors to prevent NK geishas sneaking inside your bedroom and do terrible, nasty things to your bottom? Did you move all your pets to nuclear shelter already?

North Korea is isolated country, strategically, culturally and economically, even Chinese hate their guts for what it is worth. No country was invaded by North Korea in the past sixty damn years and none will, since they are bordered on one side by superpower of China, on the other US bolstered South Korea and... sea.

Number of Americans who have learned nothing since Vietnam and Afghanistan astounds me. If you need a hardon watching footage of falling bombs, then go play a videogame. You have not even considered other options (and you have plenty) but you are ready to talk about nuclear ash, you never saw in your life.

Thank god, Trump is far smarter than that.

Only if the world encounters a problem due to North Korea, I am glad that this country will quickly cover radioactive ash. Only the question remains: are the citizens of North Korea, all the lives of the inhabitants of the earth in general.

All these years, you have learned nothing. How many countries did get better after US chopped off head of its state leader?

And I guess, you are going to feed 20 million+ Koreans personally after all is done, huh? Know what, those people were brought up to see Kim family the same way you see Statue of Liberty and Constitution. You would not stop believing in freedom if some walking by Samaritan firebombed your home, would you? Youd look for a way to hurt him and his family back (which is precisely what Arabs have been doing since west backed Spring, if I remember).

It is almost hilarious, that so many smart people have problems relating to others.

Anyway, Kim family has to be ousted INTERNALLY by Koreans themselves. Only then through power vacuum and infighting in military junta can country open itself out to the outside - if the resulting unrest is what you wish for.

Personally, I am far more concerned about continent of Africa with its population DOUBLING every three decades. North Koreans if nothing else can actually feed themselves without foreign intervention. I see Trump actions the same way, I saw them in Syria - he wants to show strength and reassure regional allies, which is quite prudent. Not start another war, that will become huge humanitarian and moral problem in the future.

LOL! Who's ready to rise up against Kim Jong-UN? They are like puppets running around him and cry when the country declared a day of mourning. It's funny to watch. And did you see how willfully they shook hands during the launch.

If you want to liberate the North Korean people, then you should stay out of North Korea and offer moral support for any North Korean who is willing to revolt against Kim Jong Un. Outside interference is only going to increase the approval rating of Kim Jong Un.

Let me put is like this.  Attacking North Korea has a Human capital cost.  The main objective is to liberate the North Korean people and perhaps give the land back to South Korea.  It is in the best interests of Freedom to save them but it remains as to whether we are willing to pay the price.

At best an assassination attempt could destabilize the region.  It seems that the main figurehead Kim-Jong-Un is the main malefactor and removing him could be a first step to incentivizing rebellion in North Korea, both in the Civilian population and the Military complex.

There is also the idea of striking first, the U.S could immediately target there long rang missile capabilities and remove them first.|

A direct invasion would cause a lot of bloodshed, hence why NK sustains a Large Military Force

Things to think about moving forward.  Especially if WW3 is on the Horizon. 

Do not think so narrowly. America has a lot of military bases, with a huge number of US citizens, as well as allies that have agreements with the US. Thus, North Korea can easily harm America, with a huge number of victims.

As far as I know the rocket North Korea is not able to reach America. What can they do? Bomb carrier? I doubt it. I think that all the power of North Korea is nothing more than a bluff.

I agree this.would.be a logistical/budgetary nightmare at this point, especially that we may engage Syria again in the immediate future. This.is a subterfuge I think; war is the patriotic banner that we can all rally behind, a common enemy that can let us put aside our differences at least temporarily to resist an outsider. But if we start this fight, we will have to finish it. Which means removing him from power, one way or the other.

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USA is all about words and threats right now and could not afford yet to touch North Korea. Though it can be sad because we outside of North Korea would want the current regime to finally end and stop all of its leader's crazy antics. North Korea is really a spoiled brat who has always a bad tantrum, willing to destroy his toys anytime he wants. I only pity the people of North Korea because majority of them really believe all words of their supreme leader all the way from A to Z.

Actually Donald Trump has been golfing all this while in his young presidency, He is going to destabilize the area over there by sending the air craft carriers over there and  just saw n the news that the North Koreans says they will respond with a nuclear war.

Trump has proved himself to be as war-crazy as Hillary, with the recent missile attack on Syria. I am really afraid that he will trigger a major nuclear crisis by attacking North Korea. To Trump's credit, the DPRK is unlikely to attack mainland United States. But what about its neighbors, such as South Korea and Japan? These countries may be at the maximum risk of a nuclear attack from the North Koreans.

It seems to me that Trump has reached some kind of agreement with China and so he sent a fleet to the coast of North Korea. In any case, I don't think America will be at war on two fronts. Trump will have to decide or Korea or Syria.

Personally, I think it would be a mess to pressure N. Korea.

The concern that the US military types have is that the longer they wait the higher probability N. Korea will have nuclear weapons, which then make a seize of power incredibly more dangerous (and unlikely due to the higher nuclear risk).

There's no way the US can go in alone. If the entire developed world goes in together, or is in agreement with a seizure of power it would be OK. And the fallout from a capture of Kim (like the capture of Hussein) should be much more peaceful and positive given that that area of the world is more stable and there are fewer countries that would try to seize power in the vacuum.

Is DAESH present in that part of Asia? Are there other N. Korea factions that would try to seize control if the Kim family is removed? All news reports make it seem like Kim reigns control over everybody and there is no one else vying for power.

He is sending a carrier task group to the area. Maybe a false flag is in order and a reason to go in and kill that dicktator once and for all. China maybe against it but who knows what kind of deal he struck with Xi Jinping. Maybe they agreed to divide up the north between themselves. No one is going to care what happens to the Kim family.

As you can understand Donald have more time for his president job, because Melania live currently in New York ( less family life means more time for work ), so he can also start to think some more strong reaction on North Korea nuclear weapons & missile programme ( see more info here - http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-17399847. What can happen if he will do something against North Korea ? Do not forget US obligations and US army presence in South Korea.