Topic: What happens when we approach a singularity of FAKE? (Read 1435 times)

That's correct.

It's not well known, and it destroys a great myth of liberalism.

But you are correct, and so it goes on the list.

Come on, you guys (and gals). He's using all the incidents to confuse you. The thing he is really talking about is the recent findings that black holes do not exist.

So, what happens when we approach a singularity (black hole) of FAKE (doesn't exist)? Nothing.

The Rosa Parks incident can be added to that list

http://www.socialstudies.com/c/@10ybJGBs6We9k/Pages/article.html?article@rosaparks

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-schmitz/how-change-happens-the-re_b_6237544.html

Sophie Cruz miraculously meeting the Pope - FAKE

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ahmed-20-sophie-cruz-what-do-you-think-of-using-children-for-politcal-goals-1190343

Quantum states cancel each other out. You can seem to hold them momentarily, because of your focus. But they do not really exist.

Now I can buy quantum tunneling diodes.  I can look at things through a quantum tunneling microscope.

No, wait.  Badecker says quantum states do not exist.

Actually, quantum states do not exist. There is no probability. Everything operates by cause and effect.

However, the imagination of mankind is really marvelous in that it can attach itself to "higher" dimensions in unrecognizable ways, enough so that mankind can think up quantum-like things with relation to the more basic dimensions, so that it looks like quantum exists.

"Rien ne se perd, rien ne se crée, tout se transforme."

Lavoisier


Black holes destroy data, transforming something into nothingness. Lavoiser was wrong then.

If quantum states and steps cease to exist, clearly information ceases to exist.  I think the main argument is whether information counts may be preserved OUTSIDE the black hole.  If not then net universe information would over time shrink.  But that gets back to the thermodynamics laws, conservation.

History is gone inside a black hole. So should information?

Are we still talking about the singularity of FAKE?

 

The simple reason is that our knowledge of physics and the dimensions is so extremely limited. If we had full knowledge of it all, there would be no loss of history whatsoever, right?

Does not the very existence of the concept "quantum uncertainty" imply that whatever process (temperature for example) increasing the frequency of QU events per unit mass implies history loss.

Note "information" is different, and it is used in a very specific sense in these discussions.  "History" is a time based phenomena, and time is utterly fucked inside a black hole. 

Let's compare the whole universe with a real hologram... Why not  . When you have an hologram on a film, when you cut the film in half then in half then in half, this action does not destroy the hologram. Its "window" shrinks but you can still see it, understand it, even if the history of the hologram is on a 2D plastic film. if I take that hologram film inside a 1 000 000 000 K kiln then that history should be lost. Maybe the way History is destroyed (inside a supernova explosion, or ripped appart) could have an impact in its preservation?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8OEiTe8_Dc

This is really nonsense.  One needs to look at the way that dimensions are used in math and physics.  We can look at Sudoko games easily as an n-dimensional problem of sparse matrix, but we can't VERBALIZE it or think out the solution to the game that way.  to address your point, sure we can represent 3d information in 2d space.  We do it anytime we write things on a piece of paper.  Paper is 2d.

Trom the exact vibratory state of a group of atoms arguably one might step backwards to prior conditions of that group, hence "the current contains the past."  This would not be true after the reduction of atomic matter to plasma or subatomic particles.  The reasons should be obvious.  Are they?

Not meaning to pick on Spendulus, here, but...

The whole idea of talking about these things is speculation. Stars and their makeup, outside of spectral analysis, is essentially unknown. Right inside our own little solar system, we are finding new things - sometimes anomalies - that we never thought existed, and that are tweaking our understanding of astrophysics in ways we would never have dreamed of a couple of decades ago.

Personally, I consider that all of our information is kept and maintained by God. Psalm 147:4 says about God:Not only does God know every star by name, but He determines them, causing their existence. In similar ways He knows each of us and everything about us.

Cool. Then the idea of a hologram universe is not possible if HISTORY is destroyed?

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/there-is-growing-evidence-that-our-universe-is-a-giant-hologram

This is not complicated.  Let's take a much easier case to understand, like a neutron star.  It's "solid."  It's a star that has ran out of fuel and has shrunk down to a compact, solid mass - not of atoms, but of neutrons.  It is only a few miles in diameter, but weighs more than our sun.

It is millions of time more dense than say, matter such as the Earth is made of.  You fall toward a neutron star.  By the time you become a thin layer on the surface of the star, no atoms of your body exist.  All that information - and organization - has been destroyed.  Is "Information" preserved?   Electrons and protons have escaped into interstellar space.

The black hole, though, sucks it all in.  Now the questions about "information preservation" concern themselves with outflow of mostly, photons.  At this point let's compare the discussion with the original argument - the preservation of HISTORY.  No history can be preserved after the dissolution of matter itself.  Therefore, there can be no "other side of the black hole."  Were that the case we would see outflows in our universe, where black holes existed in some other universe.  And they would be outflows of what, exactly?    This is where the issues of conservation of energy and momentum become troublesome.

"Falling into a black hole, you would see...." NOTHING because there would be no "You" whatsoever, you would be as dead as if you fell into the Sun.

If information is never destroyed then death is... FAKE?

Doesn't Steven Hawking suggest that black holes don't exist. Well, they do. And we ARE in one. It is only the strength of our consciousness that keeps us from being devoured entirely, at least until we die, that is. Then, even memory is gone... gone into the black hole of nothingness, right?

 

Are We Living in a Black Hole? - The mother of all FAKES? The ultimate singularity?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXrKx1IJCXQ

Black hole information paradox
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole_information_paradox


Inside Black Holes | Leonard Susskind
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMRYZMv0jRE


Obviously I won't even try to debate you on that subject... You may be one of the people sitting in that class. EDIT: Maybe the dude eating that delicious looking sandwich...

 

None of this is true.  A black hole does not contain "history," but destroys it.  Neither is there any necessity in physics for another space time on some hypothetical "other side" of a black hole.  If that were so, the black hole would weigh less than the matter destroyed going into it.

They don't.

There CERTAINLY may be other mechanisms for alternate universes to exist.

You should be careful, once you start down that road, it can become difficult to see something that is not fake. Think The Number 23 

That quote is going straight in my basket

If you fall into a black hole, you will see the entire future of the Universe unfold in front of you in a matter of moments and you will emerge into another space-time created by the singularity of the black hole you just fell into. Those are not my words but I think something like this might happen. So we are living in very interesting times I guess. 

Back in 2011, in the short time that the Obama birth certificate was released and Bin Laden was supposedly killed and his body just dumped overboard, when the majority of the American public bought both stories hook, line, and sinker, I knew it was over and they would accept anything and everything fed to them, no matter how ridiculous.

The same way we can't see beyond a certain point back in time or in the future, when we look up in the sky, is the same with human history. Not every myth was born out of ignorance or madness or fear of the unknown. Not all of the wiring in our brain is meant to either accept or reject. This fuzzy logic is created in the middle. A tug of war. Somewhere. Inside us. We need this myth, this energy of seeing the invisible, to imagine, to create our future. That is why we accept Mozart and Einstein. That is why Alchemy and Gravity and the love of the Bible were part of the same man.


"Hope. Optimism. A better day tomorrow." This is the engine that makes everything move forward. As soon as you believe there is nothing new, no future, you are dead.

Myths are so easily believed and propagated.  How then can the evil side of myths, one part of which is religion, be avoided?  And are we seeing that the clutching at myth is so strong, so dominant, that religion is only a very small part of it?

You believe this black hole is logically connected to a white hole? Night, then day?

Here is another FAKE:

Americans Greatly Overestimate Percent Gay, Lesbian in U.S.

PRINCETON, N.J. -- The American public estimates on average that 23% of Americans are gay or lesbian, little changed from Americans' 25% estimate in 2011, and only slightly higher than separate 2002 estimates of the gay and lesbian population. These estimates are many times higher than the 3.8% of the adult population who identified themselves as lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender in Gallup Daily tracking in the first four months of this year.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/183383/americans-greatly-overestimate-percent-gay-lesbian.aspx

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You are getting to this fuzzy logic place of enlightenment some call "truth". It is not The Truth though. We do not know What "The Truth" is or mean. Small "t".
It is a sad place. Demoralizing for some. We live in the most selfish time ever. It is cool to make fun of dedicated nuns for example, while the beheadings keep rolling...

Lying is quite different than FAKE.  Fake is when a wrong story comes out, and it literally seems that nobody even cares about correcting it.  Fake is like "it sounds good, so that's something I can have take up my brain cells."

Propaganda is purposeful disinformation to achieve goals and ends.   Often today we see stories that don't even rise to that level.  They are essentially dumb stories that don't have any claim to a true interpretation or slant on events.

Get more people to understand that the government is lying to people because they can?

How the NDAA Allows US Gov to Use Propaganda Against Americans

The NDAA Legalizes The Use Of Propaganda On The US Public

Oh this was funny. Video: TV Shooting Survivor Vicki Gardner Speaks Out | TODAY - has 3,876 DISLIKES and only 22 Likes because it's made up.

Government official 9/11 story - FAKE

Naturally. Bitcoin...FAkE

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Muslim boy with suspected bomb - FAKE
Ferguson story - FAKE
Zimmerman story - FAKE
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Epidemic of rape on college campuses - FAKE
Epidemic of Gun Violence - FAKE
Iran nuclear deal - FAKE