Topic: What if.. (Read 342 times)

I'm glad that you react. But do you have any ideas of your own to share here? Don't concentrate on mine.. they might be really bad. Forget that I even said anything. Do you have anything to contribute to this post?

OP seems to complicate things that at the first place, it shouldn't.

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Apparently, moderators didn't generalize newbies since they also see some that are good and unfortunately that's only 10% and the rest are spammers with post history of 100 page bounty reports. And you can't blame them for making this such regulations since they've had enough for this shit. And this enhanced rules is hurting the butts of newbies.


You're not getting the point, you basically keeping your mouth often than thinking.

Hmm.. with the post I hoped for people to come along and give some "out of box" ideas.
I understand it is easier to say No and to feel everything is great again (after the election of certain dude as leader (joke = laugh. might be bad joke. nvm) new merit system)
It is because we are programmed so since the childhood. http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=516517

Some comments of the posts as I see this is more easier/popular than contribute with new ideas:

Demotion of senior members-> firstly i wouldn't call it a demotion but reset (is that what you all legendarys, seniors and heroes here think that this system was to demote/punish/exile everyone who was juniors?)
Secondly.. as most of those experienced ones here say it is easy to climb up the latters and they give some good advice for newbies how to do it. So I'm 100% sure it is even easier for all those senior members to claim Merit with no worries (or is it so easy as they say?)

I'm glad there is option to choose self- moderated thread. Firstly it is option that with much of the OPs it is not used. Secondly, does it seem like most those OP creators really feel obligation clean his/her started mess or understand opportunity to contribute with cleaner threads? How to create that is an other problem. Any ideas?

Deleting posts -> more scam? Every post could/should be saved to cloud. It should not be so magical solution in 2018

NadiaHel- I was here before you No worries, I know what can be found here and what it costs (your post is more off than others)

About upvote/downvote. I really didn't know that it has been already discussed. Sorry for that. (yet it was just an idea linked to the first idea)

hilariousetc- you said exactly the same that i felt about Merit system, actually a part of it- the merit source. There are so many different people here and yes some are .... and ....
So my doubt of merit sources is that they are also so different people and give it as they feel at that moment. I brought out that the merits itself is pretty well explained and how objectively it should be distributed etc.
But distributers themself might not be so objective. (I dont want to go too deep owith this matter here as I have no issues with Merit itself and the post was not planned for this subject specifically)

Whatever i said first and say now is not "the" truth or absolute. I just felt creating a brainstorming here. So far all I got was some answers from analytics with clear logical explanations and it never works with brainstorming
And i know if I had posted this in some subforum, there would be no brainstorm either.. just a shitstorm

Well in theory it would be great if everyone was responsible for keeping their own threads clean and spam free, but the problem is that in reality people will just start creating their own rules and they can remove your post for any reason they want if the thread is self-moderated, which as others have said you can already do. Because of this I rarely choose to post in self-moderated threads unless I can somewhat trust the op not to be an idiot. At least Staff members have to follow the rules but anyone who self-mods a thread can moderate them however they see fit with no accountability and that's where the issue lies here. This forum is very liberal with what we tolerate here and most people appreciate that when it's going their way, but that's also its biggest flaw because people just post utter drivel with no repercussions and the chances of having a meaningful discussion here are just drowned out by a sea of spam.

That's why we have the option of creating "self-moderated threads". This is already discussed in the forum and better to reply your comments there rather starting a similar thread.

Link - Self-moderated thread initiative. More work for us, less for the Mods.

This is already discussed and it's not a viable option either. More alts can gain more upvotes

No way anyone would agree on this suggestion. Moderators are here to moderate the forum but not distribute the Merits. That's why we have 120 merit sources. OP could only gain the merits for the thread once if only OP will be able to distribute merits to the other posts in his/her own thread. OP couldn't get any merits for the replies made by OP in his/her own thread even though those replies are good.

Your suggestion is good if sources can delegate the OP as his/her apprentice to pass the Merits for the thread replies without increasing the Merits number of the OP. This suggestion is also already suggested by @Jet cash in his dMerits introduction thread.

This is called a self-moderated thread, as said, and it works just fine.

It would be kind of sad to stipulate the conversation you are about to have based on a preception.

So, in sort, since you are new you think that everybody should star over, so you have the same opportunities they had. Well, this is totally unfair and also absurd. I came here after the implementation of the merit system, from your perspective then, could I keep mine? All of them have been gained with effort. So the collateral damage would be huge just because you are new and you want everybody else to be new, no matter if they have spent years in here contributing and providing information. Maybe you can propose to erase all the forum and start over, but just be conscious, all the signatures and bounties will disappear too, so you will be unable to earn your cents in here. 
Now, the seniors and administrators must also reduce their rank to newbies? Just because you got here late?

This never will be evolving, for every single month newcomers will ask for everybody to become a newbie so they don't feel less. So, if your suggestion were implemented (impossible, by the way), all of us will probably be newbies forever.
Besides, wtf, the people here have been contributing for years. To rank-up is not so difficult, all you need to do is to enjoy learning, read a lot and use a muscle called brain which, usually, is under your skull, to be patient and humble, and also grateful for all the free information you can have in here.

Allowing people to delete their own threads would lead to a massive increase in scams, as people could simply create a thread, scam somebody, then delete all the evidence. That being said, I doubt that is the rationale behind the move as completely obvious scam threads are allowed to persist in the marketplace section. The likely reason is simply due to user restrictions, each user rank needs to have more power than the one above it, whereas abilities like deleting threads is a task reserved for moderators and above, if everybody can do it, what makes moderators special?

Click additional options when creating a thread.

It is not available on all boards.

Self-moderated is the option to click.

So if your suggestion is accepted ; entire forum will be having just Newbies.    

But how can we justify the demotion of senior members who earned tons of merits only because of their hard work; sincerity; and the contribution for the benefit of all of us.

So self moderated threads?

There's already a plugin for that, ( I think ) that someone made to show upvotes and downvotes from other users using the plugin, but that's a good idea to get it locked.

Deleting ALL merits is not a bad idea, but I don't agree with it as we can just get rid of the ones we have now, if they start shitposting again.

I don't like your idea of giving merits to OP creators, cause then it would only be for that thread, and it would make things a lot more complicated that it is right now.

I’ve just reported a thread on this board and when I saw this one I thought I was going to report it as well, but as it has some sense I’ll reply.
If you want to help the forum with your own threads, you only have to create them as self-moderated.

You can also lock your threads when you think you have to, not only the self-moderated ones. I’ve done that a few times, actually.

The rest of what you say is simply not gonna happen.

all the OP creators have to clean up their thread by themself. By creating a post, they receive automatically admin rights for that certain thread.
Why? They are more focused on the subject. They get responsibility, that leads to more mature behavior.
Takes ton of workload off from forum mods who can pay more attention to thousands of op creators rather than to millions of posts

An other what if..
the thread can be automatically adjusted how many comments there could be.
There could even be upvote, downvote system linked to the thread. If it is negative enough the thread gets locked.. no massive megathreads. More upvotes mean more longer post slots, seems like a quality discussion going on..

Less junk, more quality? Isn't that what you look for with this merit system.
Hell yeah, lets go further with this fantasy. The merit system could be also integrated to it. Differently. Firstly, all merits are deleted. From ALL.. there are some senior forumers here also creating non quality stuff. I bet it would clean ALL forum much better.
Only moderators can distribute merits to OP creators. Then OP creators can distribute it to the posts that are on topic, with quality of course etc.

Maybe this is something that Bitcointalk 2020 can evolve into, maybe not. Think with me. Think differently