What if all those Fund houses dump all their Bitcoins?

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Quote from: biggbox on June 16, 2016, 11:12:26 AM

I vaguely remember there were a few fund houses or venture capitalists who bought Bitcoins aggressively. Remember the silkroad case - The Marshals auctioned away the confiscated coins. What about the Bitcoins that were recovered when Law enforcement intervened? The Feds auction away those coins too.

These coins were bought up by VCs or fund houses.

What if they were to dump those coins out in the market, now?

Bitcoin price will go up in a short moment, since those bitcoins will be placed in a bidding. In a bidding the price will sure exceed the current price and with the large volume of bitcoins being auctioned the price will soar high. Since it will not last long and it will return to its current price then we must search for any announcement if there will be an auction since that is the best time to sell our bitcoins in the higher price.

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According to law of demand and supply the price of bitcoins will fall down with the rate of correlation. Although this is not practically possible at this moment, if we are discussing it as a theoretical case then the possibilities are

1) Thunder Storm –
As ‘All’ houses are doing it at a time there will be direct impact on the price of coins. It will be thunderstorm in crypto currency world.

2) Upward Trend –
In my opinion after huge fall there will be aggressive upward trend in the value of bitcoin, there are too many people who are waiting for a solid opportunity.

3) Goodwill –
Although such incident might affect goodwill but on the other hand it will bring more people in. Eventually there will be increase in number of users using not only bitcoins but also crypto currencies.

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Quote from: pereira4 on July 08, 2016, 02:01:36 PM

That isn't shit to the honest. We are on a 10 billion marketcap. Sure, it's tiny compared to gold, but it's enough to absorb sellouts. Unless a big billionaire guy wants to dump, we are safe from market crashes.

I think there are many people on the side lines and wait for the dump of the bitcoin. When there is a dump, they will buy.

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That isn't shit to the honest. We are on a 10 billion marketcap. Sure, it's tiny compared to gold, but it's enough to absorb sellouts. Unless a big billionaire guy wants to dump, we are safe from market crashes.

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Quote from: pitham1 on June 17, 2016, 10:40:57 AM

If they have a lot of coins they want to sell, they would slowly liquidate them.
Dumping the coins in the market only hurts them.

That sounds as some expert opinion. I think it will happen the same like you say. It is too risky for all to dump coins and noone who is enough smart will make it.

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Bye Felisha!

Looks like they are dumping at the moment...

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Quote from: biggbox on June 16, 2016, 11:12:26 AM

I vaguely remember there were a few fund houses or venture capitalists who bought Bitcoins aggressively. Remember the silkroad case - The Marshals auctioned away the confiscated coins. What about the Bitcoins that were recovered when Law enforcement intervened? The Feds auction away those coins too.

These coins were bought up by VCs or fund houses.

What if they were to dump those coins out in the market, now?

There is no reason for them to sell all bitcoin they have, bitcoin is being good stable asset for few of those who holds. And it will be quite foolish to think all bitcoin that has been bought in those auctions will goto market in one go and next to the auction day. All those bitcoin are usually bought by strong believer in bitcoin.

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I hope those Fund houses dump all their bitcoins, now. I will buy a lot when the price drops. I will buy 4 times more when the price is $150.

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How do you mean dump al their coins do you think they are going to dump their coins for nothing or just sell them for money.
Because dumping for nothing will never happen if they sell them the price of bitcoin will rise allot!

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Quote from: Seansky on June 23, 2016, 05:58:18 AM

Quote from: Zooplus on June 23, 2016, 04:39:09 AM

Quote from: sbtctalk on June 23, 2016, 01:13:41 AM

What is causing this price crash? Has the chinese dumped their coins?

We cannot determined yet because there is really no news that is something bad happen within the community, we don't know who is playing with the price, but one thing is certain, the price will increase nearing the halving this july.

I agree with you. Many hold bitcoin for now because of halving. I hope that it will rise again as expected in July.

Theirs no doubt that many people are still holding for now and still waiting for halving and i think the really big question there is what will happen to price of bitcoin if the hashocean owner sell all their coins? Possibilities it can make the bitcoin price down since they got a lot volume of btc in their pocket now, so thats why we need to be attaintive to monitor so we cannot be left behind on dumping stage of bitcoins price.

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Quote from: Seansky on June 23, 2016, 05:58:18 AM

Quote from: Zooplus on June 23, 2016, 04:39:09 AM

Quote from: sbtctalk on June 23, 2016, 01:13:41 AM

What is causing this price crash? Has the chinese dumped their coins?

We cannot determined yet because there is really no news that is something bad happen within the community, we don't know who is playing with the price, but one thing is certain, the price will increase nearing the halving this july.

I agree with you. Many hold bitcoin for now because of halving. I hope that it will rise again as expected in July.

I believe greed may cost us more. When it was 750, we hesitated to sell. When it was 1000 few years ago, many hesitated to sell too.

We need to set a price that we will sell to gain profit in fiat.

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Quote from: Zooplus on June 23, 2016, 04:39:09 AM

Quote from: sbtctalk on June 23, 2016, 01:13:41 AM

What is causing this price crash? Has the chinese dumped their coins?

We cannot determined yet because there is really no news that is something bad happen within the community, we don't know who is playing with the price, but one thing is certain, the price will increase nearing the halving this july.

I agree with you. Many hold bitcoin for now because of halving. I hope that it will rise again as expected in July.

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Quote from: sbtctalk on June 23, 2016, 01:13:41 AM

What is causing this price crash? Has the chinese dumped their coins?

We cannot determined yet because there is really no news that is something bad happen within the community, we don't know who is playing with the price, but one thing is certain, the price will increase nearing the halving this july.

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What is causing this price crash? Has the chinese dumped their coins?

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Bye Felisha!

Quote from: calme on June 18, 2016, 02:17:40 AM

A VC is not just going to dump most of their coins on some exchange. It will be done off chain. Also, VCs are used to long windows of time. It's not some 5x your money and get out while you can sort of thing.

tend to agree with this statement. A VC is going to want to make as much as possible. If they off load a lot at once and the price went down it could eat their margins signifigantly

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Quote from: biggbox on June 18, 2016, 02:25:21 PM

I see. So I presume these off the grid/exchanges won't affect or move the price much.

Nope. That's the whole point. Stock markets do the same thing too. Check out dark pools. Some of the bitcoin exchanges maintain them themselves.

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Im hopefull that they wouldnt dump all in one go, that would be stupid for them. they would earn more buy dumping small and letting price recover rather than all in a oner. The beauty of bitcoin these days is the longer bitcoin survives and also the higher the price get the more decentralised the coins get so 1 person dumping becomes less of an issue.

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Quote from: calme on June 18, 2016, 02:17:40 AM

A VC is not just going to dump most of their coins on some exchange. It will be done off chain. Also, VCs are used to long windows of time. It's not some 5x your money and get out while you can sort of thing.

I see. So I presume these off the grid/exchanges won't affect or move the price much.

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I guess it would crash the price. Well it is an important thing? Guess no.
Bitcoin proved its safe so long time ago.

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First of all we don't have any accurate date of whereabouts of said coin. We don't know what current owner is gonna do with them - or maybe they are already sold?
Who knows.

Secondly - how much coins was that exactly? This number needs to extremely high to shake whole bitcoin ecosystem when dumped.
And additionally - fund houses are not stupid enough and know that dumping it all at once will crash the market.

Finally, even if this scenario is meant to happen someday we probably won't know about it.

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Quote from: calme on June 18, 2016, 02:17:40 AM

A VC is not just going to dump most of their coins on some exchange. It will be done off chain. Also, VCs are used to long windows of time. It's not some 5x your money and get out while you can sort of thing.

That is true. There are a lot of people willing to buy off-exchanges as well.
That is why auction of bitcoins generate so much interest.

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A VC is not just going to dump most of their coins on some exchange. It will be done off chain. Also, VCs are used to long windows of time. It's not some 5x your money and get out while you can sort of thing.

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The people that spend millions to buy the thousands of coins that get seized are not looking to go short term on Bitcoin. They have enough money to last them a lifetime and do not need to sell. Instead they will hold for years and decades so they can control Bitcoin later on.

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Quote from: Yakamoto on June 17, 2016, 12:07:09 PM

Realistically they won't dump all of their Bitcoin at once, unless they really had to, and would rather opt to siphon off small amounts of their holdings and make the most money possible.

If they did sell it all off at one time, however, Bitcoin would probably be valued at much less than it is now, at least for a while, and the value would like stabilize at a lower value due to the lack of larger investors, or at least until another one shows up.

I have no idea honestly. Bitcoin is an unconventional investment and you need an unconventional team and thinking to manage it. We cannot view these investors or fund houses the way we view traditional investments. It's a total mindset change.

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Realistically they won't dump all of their Bitcoin at once, unless they really had to, and would rather opt to siphon off small amounts of their holdings and make the most money possible.

If they did sell it all off at one time, however, Bitcoin would probably be valued at much less than it is now, at least for a while, and the value would like stabilize at a lower value due to the lack of larger investors, or at least until another one shows up.

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That would probably make the price drop quite a bit because the supply would be greater than demand. It would be a good time to buy some.

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Quote from: biggbox on June 16, 2016, 11:12:26 AM

I vaguely remember there were a few fund houses or venture capitalists who bought Bitcoins aggressively. Remember the silkroad case - The Marshals auctioned away the confiscated coins. What about the Bitcoins that were recovered when Law enforcement intervened? The Feds auction away those coins too.

These coins were bought up by VCs or fund houses.

What if they were to dump those coins out in the market, now?

If they do that they kill their own money and the price of bitcoin will dump ofcourse many bitcoin traders will gain profit here so they want this will happen. But i think if the big holder of bitcoin didnt do it. It is uselesss thing, didnt profitable thing and noob thing that do only for noob big holders. I thinkt theres no noob like that.

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If they have a lot of coins they want to sell, they would slowly liquidate them.
Dumping the coins in the market only hurts them.

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Bye Felisha!

Quote from: biggbox on June 17, 2016, 09:48:41 AM

Quote from: serjent05 on June 16, 2016, 03:25:54 PM

That will be fun! And good news to those who wants to buy Bitcoin cheaper. If they dump it, Bitcoin price will surely go down if the buy wall can't handle the sell pressure, unless this guy put a sell wall and leave it there. So Fund House dumping equals one happy Bitcoin buyer for me.

But what if the prices crash and never recovers?

Will that happen?

I'm not an economist by any means, but my thoughts would be that it would recover. As the price decreases, eventually there would be a point that the demand would increas, driving the price back up. Bitcoin isn't as unstable as it was 2-3 years ago. It's matured a lot. It's my thoughts that we are in a bubble. Price will increase, but eventually it will decrease and stabilize.

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Quote from: serjent05 on June 16, 2016, 03:25:54 PM

That will be fun! And good news to those who wants to buy Bitcoin cheaper. If they dump it, Bitcoin price will surely go down if the buy wall can't handle the sell pressure, unless this guy put a sell wall and leave it there. So Fund House dumping equals one happy Bitcoin buyer for me.

But what if the prices crash and never recovers?

Will that happen?

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Quote from: biggbox on June 16, 2016, 11:12:26 AM

I vaguely remember there were a few fund houses or venture capitalists who bought Bitcoins aggressively. Remember the silkroad case - The Marshals auctioned away the confiscated coins. What about the Bitcoins that were recovered when Law enforcement intervened? The Feds auction away those coins too.

These coins were bought up by VCs or fund houses.

What if they were to dump those coins out in the market, now?

It`s a really stupid idea to sell all their coins at once.The profit will be less because of the price drop.

They could sell smaller amounts every day and keep the market price rising.

That`s just my theory.Hope it works...

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Those coins were 200 a piece on average. Assuming they hold 5000 coins, cost will be $1,000,000.

If they were to dump 5000 coins and profit $500 each, the impact is minimum.

Quote from: European Central Bank on June 16, 2016, 08:26:58 PM

If you got the millions to buy coins in that quantity that must mean you also got some financial skills. Financial skills also mean you're unlikely to sign up to yobit and throw your fifty thousand coins down at once. Just a thought.

I do not know what those analyst base their buy calls on. Traditional commodities are affected by global events such as international conflicts or natural disasters

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If you got the millions to buy coins in that quantity that must mean you also got some financial skills. Financial skills also mean you're unlikely to sign up to yobit and throw your fifty thousand coins down at once. Just a thought.

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Quote from: serjent05 on June 16, 2016, 03:25:54 PM

That will be fun! And good news to those who wants to buy Bitcoin cheaper. If they dump it, Bitcoin price will surely go down if the buy wall can't handle the sell pressure, unless this guy put a sell wall and leave it there. So Fund House dumping equals one happy Bitcoin buyer for me.

Well thats true but it will be sad for people waiting to sell at high price. Instead of selling it early, they will have to wait longer if that happens.

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That will be fun! And good news to those who wants to buy Bitcoin cheaper. If they dump it, Bitcoin price will surely go down if the buy wall can't handle the sell pressure, unless this guy put a sell wall and leave it there. So Fund House dumping equals one happy Bitcoin buyer for me.

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I vaguely remember there were a few fund houses or venture capitalists who bought Bitcoins aggressively. Remember the silkroad case - The Marshals auctioned away the confiscated coins. What about the Bitcoins that were recovered when Law enforcement intervened? The Feds auction away those coins too.

These coins were bought up by VCs or fund houses.

What if they were to dump those coins out in the market, now?

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