Topic: What if Bitcoin was Created by the CIA, FBI, US Military??? (Read 683 times)
Even so, it's still an amazing technology, and I'm only willing to say thank you to them for it, if they were involved in the creation of bitcoin.
I can't believe you made a whole post about this and used all that time when you already know the answer. Why in the world would law enforcement create something that gives us power and them none?
How is that even logical? This topic is not logical to begin with but it is still interesting none the less to figure out the inner workings of other peoples minds.
All of those organisation are American. Why do Americans seem to often think that their country is the only country to exist? Not all of us have to answer to those shitty organisations. I am so glad I do not have to report to the IRS my sweet lord those guys are like thugs that are protected by law. America is really a mess. You guys don't even know how to handle crypto. Everything good for people it seems the American goverment wants to destroy. Look at the drug war that only happened because of the war with alternative motives as is usual with America.
Once I went out and put too much oil on my plate. I thought the US military was going to come rolling in to liberate my plate of its oil. Your president makes the most ridiculous statements over and over again about pretty much everything. I don't know how that guy's brain works. I think that melanin that makes his face orange is effecting his brain or something.
So no bitcoin was most definitely beyond any double of logic not created by law enforcement.
It does not make sense to me too to think in that direction because if it was the US government that created cryptocurrency, they would have long time ago enforce it on people and especially on their own citizens first, and even if it was a covert operation, the negative attack they have launched on cryptocurrency in the past would not have been deep as it was then, so no government of US actually did that.How is that even logical? This topic is not logical to begin with but it is still interesting none the less to figure out the inner workings of other peoples minds.
All of those organisation are American. Why do Americans seem to often think that their country is the only country to exist? Not all of us have to answer to those shitty organisations. I am so glad I do not have to report to the IRS my sweet lord those guys are like thugs that are protected by law. America is really a mess. You guys don't even know how to handle crypto. Everything good for people it seems the American goverment wants to destroy. Look at the drug war that only happened because of the war with alternative motives as is usual with America.
Once I went out and put too much oil on my plate. I thought the US military was going to come rolling in to liberate my plate of its oil. Your president makes the most ridiculous statements over and over again about pretty much everything. I don't know how that guy's brain works. I think that melanin that makes his face orange is effecting his brain or something.
So no bitcoin was most definitely beyond any double of logic not created by law enforcement.
What I would not doubt is that it could be another government that created it for the future to be able to come out of their debt, because from what we have gathered, satoshi account has about 980,000 bitcoin, and if you multiply that with the current rate, you will see that he is a very reach guy which I think the target of such government would be when bitcoin reached 1 million dollars, and with that, the country will be one of the riches country even after paying their debt.
Very likely the NSA created the original algorythm, but the cat is out of the bag and they have no control over it other than small manipulations and mainstream media FUD created by treating folks like Ross Ulbright harshly....
Edward Snowden the former CIA agent twitted recently the famous Asuka picture which is highly used in some crypto community spaces to shill Bitcoin. I think these intelligent agencies have something to do with Bitcoin creation.
Edward Snowden doesn't have anything to do with the CIA/NSA anymore. If anything they are enemies now, and they have been for years.
I personally don't see any reason for these agencies to have created Bitcoin, there's no motivation for them, they don't benefit of it in any way.
*puts on tinfoil hat* Or that's what we normies think anyway...
then its good for all of us good humans,because we knew how safe our investments are right?because what i think that will have a problem here are those people that hiding something who's against the law.
because if we are clean then there is nothing we need to be afraid or be alarmed what you think?
those agencies has nothing against good people because they are running towards those who needs to face the law.
because if we are clean then there is nothing we need to be afraid or be alarmed what you think?
those agencies has nothing against good people because they are running towards those who needs to face the law.
Edward Snowden the former CIA agent twitted recently the famous Asuka picture which is highly used in some crypto community spaces to shill Bitcoin. I think these intelligent agencies have something to do with Bitcoin creation.
I really doubt that bitcoin was created by the FBI,CIA or military! I really believe that Bitcoin is possibly the worst thing that could happen to any of those agencies. It does not benefit them at all what so ever. So why would they create it? I would believe the cartels created it before them!
A more likely explanation is that hackers created Bitcoin
I think that an individual who is interested cryptography could have created pretty much all the Bitcoin code by himself. He/she probably had some colleagues but I'm sure they have taken all the necessary measures to remain private. An expert in cryptography should know a lot of about anonymity and ways to "encrypt" online existence. The rest is just a matter of ego. I assure you that there are people in this world who are not looking for money or fame, but to contribute to a better world for the next generations to come.
3. How the founders identities were carefully concealed from beginning to the end, without any trace. You will agree with me that only intelligence professional can achieve that level of privacy and anonymity.
No, I wont agree with you in this.
Government agencies wont do something like that.
Freedom for the people in using something which is almost the same as fiat?
They all want control. Do they have control with bitcoin now? That is also why they want to ban it.
It is one creation of an average human being for the people.
How can they trace the money now if things like bitcoin will go out of hand. It will be their problem. How can they steal money or how will corruption occur now?
I can't believe you made a whole post about this and used all that time when you already know the answer. Why in the world would law enforcement create something that gives us power and them none?
How is that even logical? This topic is not logical to begin with but it is still interesting none the less to figure out the inner workings of other peoples minds.
All of those organisation are American. Why do Americans seem to often think that their country is the only country to exist? Not all of us have to answer to those shitty organisations. I am so glad I do not have to report to the IRS my sweet lord those guys are like thugs that are protected by law. America is really a mess. You guys don't even know how to handle crypto. Everything good for people it seems the American goverment wants to destroy. Look at the drug war that only happened because of the war with alternative motives as is usual with America.
Once I went out and put too much oil on my plate. I thought the US military was going to come rolling in to liberate my plate of its oil. Your president makes the most ridiculous statements over and over again about pretty much everything. I don't know how that guy's brain works. I think that melanin that makes his face orange is effecting his brain or something.
So no bitcoin was most definitely beyond any double of logic not created by law enforcement.
How is that even logical? This topic is not logical to begin with but it is still interesting none the less to figure out the inner workings of other peoples minds.
All of those organisation are American. Why do Americans seem to often think that their country is the only country to exist? Not all of us have to answer to those shitty organisations. I am so glad I do not have to report to the IRS my sweet lord those guys are like thugs that are protected by law. America is really a mess. You guys don't even know how to handle crypto. Everything good for people it seems the American goverment wants to destroy. Look at the drug war that only happened because of the war with alternative motives as is usual with America.
Once I went out and put too much oil on my plate. I thought the US military was going to come rolling in to liberate my plate of its oil. Your president makes the most ridiculous statements over and over again about pretty much everything. I don't know how that guy's brain works. I think that melanin that makes his face orange is effecting his brain or something.
So no bitcoin was most definitely beyond any double of logic not created by law enforcement.
I don't think any intelligence agency is involved in the creation of bitcoin, while the conspiracy buffs would say otherwise, I just don't see a satisfying endgame to all of this, and you're forgetting the fact that people all over the world cannot be fooled all at the same time, I believe that the person or people behind the name "Satoshi" had considered every aspect and decided to remain anonymous for the good of the project, this way nobody cm physically influence them to make any decisions they don't want to, Moreover some people prefer not to be famous.
If someone from their department created this one it could be a great problem them. There are so many illegal activities that uses bitcoin as payment, even them they cannot find it so easily. I think it is impossible that they created this one. Also, maybe there is a possibility that they are the one who make this coin but who knows right?
I don't think bitcoin was created by the CIA, FBI, and the US Military because there are no evidences to prove that onee of these organization was the one who created bitcoin. And also these organization has other important things to do for their government and not creating cryptocurrencies like bitcoin.
what if people have already asked this question a million times already? 
That's true I even encounter one guy asking if bitcoin was created bu an alien living in our midst, this kind of foolish comes to our mind because we are looking for an answer to the questions that haven't been found, if we have the right answer there will not exist these kinds of theories, it's much better to let things be Satoshi does not want to come out or he is gone, I can accept these two theories.
Truth is?i don’t care if who created Bitcoin because it doesn’t affect my living since I hide nothing illegal,the only person that hates the idea are those people that has been in some not so rightful way of living,I believe that these agency’s are here to help people and not to take advantage their powers.
Though some will use the access to dig for something they need to know but the totality still Bitcoin is for benefits of all.
They can track the target individuals at the same time people are favoring .its a win win solution for both Agency’s and people
Though some will use the access to dig for something they need to know but the totality still Bitcoin is for benefits of all.
They can track the target individuals at the same time people are favoring .its a win win solution for both Agency’s and people
You are not the first person who have ever thought of such a theory. There are already many people in bitcoin even some of the users here have already mentioned such topic years ago. But since this was raised again I would say that we dont have enough evidence to prove that such case really existed and that the CIA, FBI, US Military have made bitcoin. We cannot even prove who satoshi nakamoto is and thus it is really impossible for us to claim that the US government is behind bitcoin.
But let us say they are the ones who made bitcoin. Then let us be thankful since if bitcoin is not made we are not getting the benefits we are enjoying today.
But let us say they are the ones who made bitcoin. Then let us be thankful since if bitcoin is not made we are not getting the benefits we are enjoying today.
if bitcoin create or made by FBI or CIA maybe no one investor want to invest because too risk with our data looking by them, we can trust any one of police man in the world because some of their person in police man will be doing bad for our ID and use our account, I will left if have organisation want to have bitcoin.
I don't think that bitcoin is created by these organizations. Lets say they created the bitcoin and the blockchain. We have many alternative coins as well. And the idea of decentralization is another thing that these organizations can't be bringing on. They, as they are governmental organizations, won't be making us think that we are free and we can control things ourselves. So, I think they didn't create bitcoin, if they did, we will learn in the end and focus to other decentralized coins. We learned something and we will use it no matter what happens.
What if Bitcoin was actually created by the CIA, or FBI, US Military to gather some intelligence? This weird imagination has been lingering in my brain because Bitcoin has all the signatures of what the USA Intelligence can create, Similar to the way they have created things in the past.
Wait, are you thinking the CIA, the FBI, or the US Army used bitcointalk? did they keep typing in the bitcointalk forum? satoshi attended this forum for a while, and I don't see the CIA, the FBI or the US army chatting in a forum. Another thing, you are underestimating people's intelligence, a single person could be able to create bitcoin, we can't underestimate people. As for staying anonymous, he may have been scared at first and then died without anyone knowing he created bitcoin
If for any reason the CIA,FBI, or the US Army are the founders of btc to gather information about users do you think they really need to be in this forum to chat? No they don't have to, they already have a technology that gives them all the information they need, so whether they are active in forum or not does not really matter, between you don't even know who satoshi is, a member of the CIA, FBI or US Army you can't tell,
Everyone has their on perception on what they think btc is and how it originated, the fact no one see to know who the creator is leaves people to come up with different attributes,
My question is, If the us government are part of this then why are they so against it? Is that just an act to divert people's attention?
Maybe because of the complex nature of btc that is why who ever created btc (group or an individual) chose to remain anonymous, the pressure will be much to handle.
As I said previously, if the government did somehow make bitcoin, they kind of screwed themselves over - they created a currency that they can't control and is now gaining a lot of popularity.
I like conspiracy theories as much as the next guy
The mystery surrounding bitcoin creation is coded in mystery and secrecy. All is conspiracy theorem
WHAT'S.
THE.
CRIME.
you're saying that writing the Bitcoin source code was a secret criminal act, what is the crime?
Please.
Stop using the word "conspiracy", you do not know what it means
The mystery surrounding bitcoin creation is coded in mystery and secrecy. All is conspiracy theorem, every national government has been looking for Satoshi, and some persons trying to gain public relevance says they are Satoshi. Anyone/body/group/agent could have created the bitcoin.
What if Bitcoin was actually created by the CIA, or FBI, US Military to gather some intelligence? This weird imagination has been lingering in my brain because Bitcoin has all the signatures of what the USA Intelligence can create, Similar to the way they have created things in the past.
1. No one has ever created something as big and enormous as Bitcoin and chooses to remain anonymous. The temptation is always too strong for a mortal human being to resist.
2. I am of the opinion that Bitcoin is too complex to be the handwork of one man or few persons. And how it was quickly accepted and distributed shows the evidence of complex and thorough planning, too thorough, and too complex to fit into one brain
3. How the founders identities were carefully concealed from beginning to the end, without any trace. You will agree with me that only intelligence professional can achieve that level of privacy and anonymity.
And you know, they won't make noise about it until they have gathered enough intelligence. Or may never say anything about it forever, just using it secretly for their purpose. What do you think? Have you ever reasoned in this direction?
1. No one has ever created something as big and enormous as Bitcoin and chooses to remain anonymous. The temptation is always too strong for a mortal human being to resist.
2. I am of the opinion that Bitcoin is too complex to be the handwork of one man or few persons. And how it was quickly accepted and distributed shows the evidence of complex and thorough planning, too thorough, and too complex to fit into one brain
3. How the founders identities were carefully concealed from beginning to the end, without any trace. You will agree with me that only intelligence professional can achieve that level of privacy and anonymity.
And you know, they won't make noise about it until they have gathered enough intelligence. Or may never say anything about it forever, just using it secretly for their purpose. What do you think? Have you ever reasoned in this direction?
I like conspiracy theories as much as the next guy, however, there are some ways to explain most of the points you have made. For example, what if Satoshi remains anonymous because he is dead? A lot of people do believe that this might be the case. Also, you might be right that Satoshi has intelligence-related background, but maybe he is a former CIA employee or something? As for Bitcoin being too complex for one guy or a few people to think of, that might not be the case. Maybe they were just a competent developer with a lot of spare time (such as a retired intelligence agent) who went through a lot of work to develop it, test it, and alike? I mean, that is not a new theory, but all we can do is guess, and nobody knows for certain except for those who DO know.
First of all, the code for Bitcoin is Opensource, so there are not a lot of things that can be hidden in the code that has not been revealed already. Second of all, this technology are not controlled by a government agency and are spread over 1000's of nodes and this should already show you that it was not a technology that was created by the CIA or FBI, because they would create a technology that would be centralized and something that would not have been transparent and accessible to the public. 
Bitcoin is a Pandora's box of goodies that was released onto the Internet for everyone to use and decisions are made with the participation of the public with open consensus.
Bitcoin is a Pandora's box of goodies that was released onto the Internet for everyone to use and decisions are made with the participation of the public with open consensus.
What if Bitcoin was actually created by the CIA, or FBI, US Military to gather some intelligence? This weird imagination has been lingering in my brain because Bitcoin has all the signatures of what the USA Intelligence can create, Similar to the way they have created things in the past.
1. No one has ever created something as big and enormous as Bitcoin and chooses to remain anonymous. The temptation is always too strong for a mortal human being to resist.
2. I am of the opinion that Bitcoin is too complex to be the handwork of one man or few persons. And how it was quickly accepted and distributed shows the evidence of complex and thorough planning, too thorough, and too complex to fit into one brain
3. How the founders identities were carefully concealed from beginning to the end, without any trace. You will agree with me that only intelligence professional can achieve that level of privacy and anonymity.
And you know, they won't make noise about it until they have gathered enough intelligence. Or may never say anything about it forever, just using it secretly for their purpose. What do you think? Have you ever reasoned in this direction?
1. No one has ever created something as big and enormous as Bitcoin and chooses to remain anonymous. The temptation is always too strong for a mortal human being to resist.
2. I am of the opinion that Bitcoin is too complex to be the handwork of one man or few persons. And how it was quickly accepted and distributed shows the evidence of complex and thorough planning, too thorough, and too complex to fit into one brain
3. How the founders identities were carefully concealed from beginning to the end, without any trace. You will agree with me that only intelligence professional can achieve that level of privacy and anonymity.
And you know, they won't make noise about it until they have gathered enough intelligence. Or may never say anything about it forever, just using it secretly for their purpose. What do you think? Have you ever reasoned in this direction?
This Your opinion has on my mind for years. but Satoshi Nakamoto might be a group of people from United State army or CIA , I always asked my self How satoshi just disappear without a trace. But We have understand that they knew from the beginning they are going to disappear so they did every possible to clear their their path. But we have remember there is no way you can hide the secret forever i know someone will reveal the truth if bitcoin was created by CIA. There is a lot of people like Edward Snowden in CIA to reveal that truth.
What if Bitcoin was actually created by the CIA, or FBI, US Military to gather some intelligence? This weird imagination has been lingering in my brain because Bitcoin has all the signatures of what the USA Intelligence can create, Similar to the way they have created things in the past.
1. No one has ever created something as big and enormous as Bitcoin and chooses to remain anonymous. The temptation is always too strong for a mortal human being to resist.
2. I am of the opinion that Bitcoin is too complex to be the handwork of one man or few persons. And how it was quickly accepted and distributed shows the evidence of complex and thorough planning, too thorough, and too complex to fit into one brain
3. How the founders identities were carefully concealed from beginning to the end, without any trace. You will agree with me that only intelligence professional can achieve that level of privacy and anonymity.
And you know, they won't make noise about it until they have gathered enough intelligence. Or may never say anything about it forever, just using it secretly for their purpose. What do you think? Have you ever reasoned in this direction?
1. No one has ever created something as big and enormous as Bitcoin and chooses to remain anonymous. The temptation is always too strong for a mortal human being to resist.
2. I am of the opinion that Bitcoin is too complex to be the handwork of one man or few persons. And how it was quickly accepted and distributed shows the evidence of complex and thorough planning, too thorough, and too complex to fit into one brain
3. How the founders identities were carefully concealed from beginning to the end, without any trace. You will agree with me that only intelligence professional can achieve that level of privacy and anonymity.
And you know, they won't make noise about it until they have gathered enough intelligence. Or may never say anything about it forever, just using it secretly for their purpose. What do you think? Have you ever reasoned in this direction?
Answer to 1, bitcoin could potentially uproot the foundatin of USD, making it a threat to the control of the government towards the financial market. This marks the crwator of bitcoin as a high priority target to decrease the popularity of the coins and also because it was his invention. I'd choose to go anonymous no matter how much fame it could give me if it could potentially be a threat to my life.
2. You underestimate humans mate. Although rarely, some humans can exhibit a lot of their potential and create impossible things for their current era. Just look at the past inventors of different things. If you were living in their era, you'd also think all of their inventions were impossible to make.
3. Well seeing that they made bitcoin, anonymity should rather be easy to adopt. And bitcoin only caused an uproar a few years back where as the founder already chose to be anonymous right from the start.
I think the idea is ridiculous! I personally don't believe in this conspiracy theory for just one reason alone - "the U.S. Government will not make a hammer and use it to hit its head"!
I mean, why would the U.S. create something that might someday render its mighty U.S. dollar obsolete? and could eventually destroy its economy and its economic influence all over the world? In short, they will protect the status of U.S. dollar as an international currency and maintain its status quo as possibly as they can.Imho.
I mean, why would the U.S. create something that might someday render its mighty U.S. dollar obsolete? and could eventually destroy its economy and its economic influence all over the world? In short, they will protect the status of U.S. dollar as an international currency and maintain its status quo as possibly as they can.Imho.
What if we start quitting all these conspiracy theories that repeatedly come out?
What if we try to trace the dots and begin to realize that the CIA, FBI, US military are committing a suicide if they actually invented Bitcoin?
What if we begin to promote, understand, and use Bitcoin more rather than indulge in futile speculations?
What if we try to trace the dots and begin to realize that the CIA, FBI, US military are committing a suicide if they actually invented Bitcoin?
What if we begin to promote, understand, and use Bitcoin more rather than indulge in futile speculations?
What if Bitcoin was actually created by the CIA, or FBI, US Military to gather some intelligence? This weird imagination has been lingering in my brain because Bitcoin has all the signatures of what the USA Intelligence can create, Similar to the way they have created things in the past.
Wait, are you thinking the CIA, the FBI, or the US Army used bitcointalk? did they keep typing in the bitcointalk forum? satoshi attended this forum for a while, and I don't see the CIA, the FBI or the US army chatting in a forum. Another thing, you are underestimating people's intelligence, a single person could be able to create bitcoin, we can't underestimate people. As for staying anonymous, he may have been scared at first and then died without anyone knowing he created bitcoin
If for any reason the CIA,FBI, or the US Army are the founders of btc to gather information about users do you think they really need to be in this forum to chat? No they don't have to, they already have a technology that gives them all the information they need, so whether they are active in forum or not does not really matter, between you don't even know who satoshi is, a member of the CIA, FBI or US Army you can't tell,
Everyone has their on perception on what they think btc is and how it originated, the fact no one see to know who the creator is leaves people to come up with different attributes,
My question is, If the us government are part of this then why are they so against it? Is that just an act to divert people's attention?
Maybe because of the complex nature of btc that is why who ever created btc (group or an individual) chose to remain anonymous, the pressure will be much to handle.
This sounds like of those conspiracy theories again. It's pretty unlikely the government would ever make something like this, because they wouldn't be able to control it, even if they did create Bitcoin.
Satoshi went to great depths to protect his ID and that's why it's so successful, not because of other factors.
Bitcoin isn't the work of one many, there are a lot of developers that worked and still work on it to this day.
Interesting theory though.
Satoshi went to great depths to protect his ID and that's why it's so successful, not because of other factors.
Bitcoin isn't the work of one many, there are a lot of developers that worked and still work on it to this day.
Interesting theory though.
What if Bitcoin was actually created by the CIA, or FBI, US Military to gather some intelligence? This weird imagination has been lingering in my brain because Bitcoin has all the signatures of what the USA Intelligence can create, Similar to the way they have created things in the past.
1. No one has ever created something as big and enormous as Bitcoin and chooses to remain anonymous. The temptation is always too strong for a mortal human being to resist.
2. I am of the opinion that Bitcoin is too complex to be the handwork of one man or few persons. And how it was quickly accepted and distributed shows the evidence of complex and thorough planning, too thorough, and too complex to fit into one brain
3. How the founders identities were carefully concealed from beginning to the end, without any trace. You will agree with me that only intelligence professional can achieve that level of privacy and anonymity.
And you know, they won't make noise about it until they have gathered enough intelligence. Or may never say anything about it forever, just using it secretly for their purpose. What do you think? Have you ever reasoned in this direction?
1. No one has ever created something as big and enormous as Bitcoin and chooses to remain anonymous. The temptation is always too strong for a mortal human being to resist.
2. I am of the opinion that Bitcoin is too complex to be the handwork of one man or few persons. And how it was quickly accepted and distributed shows the evidence of complex and thorough planning, too thorough, and too complex to fit into one brain
3. How the founders identities were carefully concealed from beginning to the end, without any trace. You will agree with me that only intelligence professional can achieve that level of privacy and anonymity.
And you know, they won't make noise about it until they have gathered enough intelligence. Or may never say anything about it forever, just using it secretly for their purpose. What do you think? Have you ever reasoned in this direction?
I think if bitcoin was created by fbi,cia or us military, the bitcoin will be regulated assuming that it is still decentralized. Since the government has the control over the military, then bitcoin will still be holded by the government. Any wrong actions or against the law will be penalized.
Im not sure that FBI or anyone from the government would create something that cant be controlled, or cant be manipulated easily. So the chances of bitcoin being created by them is very low, i would say.
Let's say the FBI created bitcoin. And what? What difference does it make to you? How do you suffer from this?If bitcoin was created by the government everything would still be anonymous and none of us would know about its existence.I am categorically against this theory.
There has been so many what if that has surrounded the establishment of bitcoin, and we have the right to think whatever we want to think out of curiosity, but I really doubt if there is any involvement of those agencies that you mentioned there, because there is no way they can operate without the support of government, and even if it is a covert operation, government would do everything possible to silently support it so that the system can become accepted as soon as possible for them to achieve a better result.
You can see how American government has fought crypto to some extent and trump even followed that up when he twitter a negative comment about bitcoin being for the lawless people and then discredit the project.
You can see how American government has fought crypto to some extent and trump even followed that up when he twitter a negative comment about bitcoin being for the lawless people and then discredit the project.
I don't think FBI or CIA has created bitcoin. Because it is already proved that no one has control over bitcoin transactions and it is anonymous and decentralized. Why should they create bitcoin? Why should they provide a system that allow people make peer to peer and anonymous transactions?
FBI or CIA has not created bitcoin. But I doubt they don't know the creator of bitcoin. They have likely have tried to find the creator of bitcoin and they might have found the creator. They might know some secrets that we are not aware of them. They might know Satoshi Nakamoto.
FBI or CIA has not created bitcoin. But I doubt they don't know the creator of bitcoin. They have likely have tried to find the creator of bitcoin and they might have found the creator. They might know some secrets that we are not aware of them. They might know Satoshi Nakamoto.
> without any trace.
The us govt does not know who did it.
With what they can do they should know, and they don't.
That is a clue.
No way they could steal from satoshi if they don't know who he is.
The us govt does not know who did it.
With what they can do they should know, and they don't.
That is a clue.
No way they could steal from satoshi if they don't know who he is.
There is nothing to discuss big on this, what if CIA or FBI has created it. Are they gonna threaten us, this is simply unwanted discussion. What we have got is an advancing technology, nothing to correlate with CIA, FBI or Military. Only thing is that governments might keep everyone under their control same as the banking system does at present.
I think you were right since no one could prove that a person from the government could create something that they can't control. Government are so obsessed of taking something that does owned by the people because they have the power to take it while in bitcoin we sure do know that there isn't a single trace of any government entities so far.
I want to marrry bitcoin and make few satoshis
I think bitcoin was maked by someone who got fucked from the system and gouvremnet and he think how i can fucl the whole corrupt finance system
Than camw a alien an whisper him the idea of bitcoin this is my history
I think bitcoin was maked by someone who got fucked from the system and gouvremnet and he think how i can fucl the whole corrupt finance system
Than camw a alien an whisper him the idea of bitcoin this is my history
Look lets pretend that multiple agencies from multiple governments did it. As they thought it would be a way to trace criminal movement of wealth via blockchain transactions. We have had enough value move around the world for governments to start moving against criminal activity on blockchains.
Now if you bother to check the listed addresses 'discovered" by one government and listed to have been tainted it is a really short list 11 or 12 addresses with well under 10,000 coins that passed through them. It seems to me if this list had 100000 addresses that had a few million coins in them it would have all been a multi governmental plot. But the list is really short. Kind of makes it look like it was not made to capture drug dealer/terrorist/etc money and wealth
Now if you bother to check the listed addresses 'discovered" by one government and listed to have been tainted it is a really short list 11 or 12 addresses with well under 10,000 coins that passed through them. It seems to me if this list had 100000 addresses that had a few million coins in them it would have all been a multi governmental plot. But the list is really short. Kind of makes it look like it was not made to capture drug dealer/terrorist/etc money and wealth
does this seem to be a problem to anyone but me?
https://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/OFAC-Enforcement/Pages/20190821.aspx
quote from above:
"The following individuals have been added to OFAC's SDN List:
YAN, Xiaobing (Chinese Traditional: 顏曉兵; Chinese Simplified: 颜晓兵) (a.k.a. "YAN, Steven"; a.k.a. "ZHOU, William"), Wuhan, Hubei, China (Chinese Simplified: 武汉市, 湖北省, China; Chinese Traditional: 武漢市, 湖北省, China); DOB 25 Mar 1977; POB Wuhan City, Hubei, China; citizen China; Gender Male; Digital Currency Address - XBT 12QtD5BFwRsdNsAZY76UVE1xyCGNTojH9h; alt. Digital Currency Address - XBT 1Kuf2Rd8mDyAViwBozGTNYnvWL8uYFrkVo; alt. Digital Currency Address - XBT 13f59kUM5FU8MfTG7DCEugYarDhSD7XCoC; alt. Digital Currency Address - XBT 1P3ZfGFLezzYGg9k5SVzQmnjyh7nrUmF2y; alt. Digital Currency Address - XBT 1EpMiZkQVekM5ij12nMiEwttFPcDK9XhX6; alt. Digital Currency Address - XBT 1JREJdZupiFhE7ZzQPtASuMCvvpXC7wRsC; Chinese Commercial Code 7346 2556 0365; Citizen's Card Number 421002197703250019 (China) (individual) [SDNTK].
ZHENG, Fujing (Chinese Simplified: 郑福景; Chinese Traditional: 鄭福景) (a.k.a. "DENG, Gao"; a.k.a. "JIN, Gordon"; a.k.a. "ZHENG, Gordon"); DOB 11 Jun 1983; POB China; nationality China; citizen China; Email Address [email protected]; alt. Email Address [email protected]; alt. Email Address [email protected]; alt. Email Address [email protected]; alt. Email Address [email protected]; alt. Email Address [email protected]; Gender Male; Digital Currency Address - XBT 17ezuJoT3XBbdcwFZbkTnrXbup11F4uhiy; alt. Digital Currency Address - XBT 1DH2xDH7TngrDU6LXciprKCBKNcPA1xX8A; Passport G31920875 (China) issued 24 Oct 2008 expires 23 Oct 2018; Identification Number 310107198306111336 (China); Chinese Commercial Code 6774 4395 2529 (individual) [SDNTK].
ZHENG, Guanghua (Chinese Traditional: 鄭广華; Chinese Simplified: 郑广华); DOB 04 Nov 1955; POB Shanghai, China; nationality China; citizen China; Email Address [email protected]; alt. Email Address [email protected]; Gender Male; Digital Currency Address - XBT 33Kja69SQVc8kozpoP7Qw6HFtGxHkiWzTz; alt. Digital Currency Address - XBT 3MkUNScqf21EcfWq6T4x2MFgBeSTqhB5t6; alt. Digital Currency Address - XBT 18uKfaUjgG52rVeXEi3wxnveww7zZuECtE; Digital Currency Address - LTC LaizKtS5DUhPuP1nTQcc83MS7HwK6vk85z; Passport E51809923 (China) issued 25 May 2015 expires 24 May 2025; Identification Number 310108195511041616 (China); Chinese Commercial Code 6774 1639 5478 (individual) [SDNTK].
The following entities have been added to OFAC's SDN List:
QINSHENG PHARMACEUTICAL TECHNOLOGY CO., LTD. (a.k.a. SHANGHAI QINSHENG PHARMACEUTICAL SCIENCE & TECHNOLOGY CO., LTD.; a.k.a. SHANGHAI QINSHENG PHARMACEUTICAL SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY CO., LTD.; a.k.a. SHANGHAI QINSHENG PHARMACEUTICAL TECHNOLOGY CO., LTD.), Room 614, Floor 3, No. 1, Alley 468, New Siping Highway, Shanghai 201413, China; Room 614, Floor 3, Block 1, Lane 468, Xinsiping Highway, Fengxian District, Shanghai, China; Website www.qinvictory.com [SDNTK].
ZHENG DRUG TRAFFICKING ORGANIZATION, Shanghai, China; Website www.globalrc.net; alt. Website www.goldenrc.com; alt. Website www.toplabrc.com; Email Address [email protected]; alt. Email Address [email protected]; alt. Email Address [email protected]; alt. Email Address [email protected] [SDNTK].
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https://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/OFAC-Enforcement/Pages/20190821.aspx
quote from above:
"The following individuals have been added to OFAC's SDN List:
YAN, Xiaobing (Chinese Traditional: 顏曉兵; Chinese Simplified: 颜晓兵) (a.k.a. "YAN, Steven"; a.k.a. "ZHOU, William"), Wuhan, Hubei, China (Chinese Simplified: 武汉市, 湖北省, China; Chinese Traditional: 武漢市, 湖北省, China); DOB 25 Mar 1977; POB Wuhan City, Hubei, China; citizen China; Gender Male; Digital Currency Address - XBT 12QtD5BFwRsdNsAZY76UVE1xyCGNTojH9h; alt. Digital Currency Address - XBT 1Kuf2Rd8mDyAViwBozGTNYnvWL8uYFrkVo; alt. Digital Currency Address - XBT 13f59kUM5FU8MfTG7DCEugYarDhSD7XCoC; alt. Digital Currency Address - XBT 1P3ZfGFLezzYGg9k5SVzQmnjyh7nrUmF2y; alt. Digital Currency Address - XBT 1EpMiZkQVekM5ij12nMiEwttFPcDK9XhX6; alt. Digital Currency Address - XBT 1JREJdZupiFhE7ZzQPtASuMCvvpXC7wRsC; Chinese Commercial Code 7346 2556 0365; Citizen's Card Number 421002197703250019 (China) (individual) [SDNTK].
ZHENG, Fujing (Chinese Simplified: 郑福景; Chinese Traditional: 鄭福景) (a.k.a. "DENG, Gao"; a.k.a. "JIN, Gordon"; a.k.a. "ZHENG, Gordon"); DOB 11 Jun 1983; POB China; nationality China; citizen China; Email Address [email protected]; alt. Email Address [email protected]; alt. Email Address [email protected]; alt. Email Address [email protected]; alt. Email Address [email protected]; alt. Email Address [email protected]; Gender Male; Digital Currency Address - XBT 17ezuJoT3XBbdcwFZbkTnrXbup11F4uhiy; alt. Digital Currency Address - XBT 1DH2xDH7TngrDU6LXciprKCBKNcPA1xX8A; Passport G31920875 (China) issued 24 Oct 2008 expires 23 Oct 2018; Identification Number 310107198306111336 (China); Chinese Commercial Code 6774 4395 2529 (individual) [SDNTK].
ZHENG, Guanghua (Chinese Traditional: 鄭广華; Chinese Simplified: 郑广华); DOB 04 Nov 1955; POB Shanghai, China; nationality China; citizen China; Email Address [email protected]; alt. Email Address [email protected]; Gender Male; Digital Currency Address - XBT 33Kja69SQVc8kozpoP7Qw6HFtGxHkiWzTz; alt. Digital Currency Address - XBT 3MkUNScqf21EcfWq6T4x2MFgBeSTqhB5t6; alt. Digital Currency Address - XBT 18uKfaUjgG52rVeXEi3wxnveww7zZuECtE; Digital Currency Address - LTC LaizKtS5DUhPuP1nTQcc83MS7HwK6vk85z; Passport E51809923 (China) issued 25 May 2015 expires 24 May 2025; Identification Number 310108195511041616 (China); Chinese Commercial Code 6774 1639 5478 (individual) [SDNTK].
The following entities have been added to OFAC's SDN List:
QINSHENG PHARMACEUTICAL TECHNOLOGY CO., LTD. (a.k.a. SHANGHAI QINSHENG PHARMACEUTICAL SCIENCE & TECHNOLOGY CO., LTD.; a.k.a. SHANGHAI QINSHENG PHARMACEUTICAL SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY CO., LTD.; a.k.a. SHANGHAI QINSHENG PHARMACEUTICAL TECHNOLOGY CO., LTD.), Room 614, Floor 3, No. 1, Alley 468, New Siping Highway, Shanghai 201413, China; Room 614, Floor 3, Block 1, Lane 468, Xinsiping Highway, Fengxian District, Shanghai, China; Website www.qinvictory.com [SDNTK].
ZHENG DRUG TRAFFICKING ORGANIZATION, Shanghai, China; Website www.globalrc.net; alt. Website www.goldenrc.com; alt. Website www.toplabrc.com; Email Address [email protected]; alt. Email Address [email protected]; alt. Email Address [email protected]; alt. Email Address [email protected] [SDNTK].
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What if Bitcoin was actually created by the CIA, or FBI, US Military to gather some intelligence? This weird imagination has been lingering in my brain because Bitcoin has all the signatures of what the USA Intelligence can create, Similar to the way they have created things in the past.
1. No one has ever created something as big and enormous as Bitcoin and chooses to remain anonymous. The temptation is always too strong for a mortal human being to resist.
2. I am of the opinion that Bitcoin is too complex to be the handwork of one man or few persons. And how it was quickly accepted and distributed shows the evidence of complex and thorough planning, too thorough, and too complex to fit into one brain
3. How the founders identities were carefully concealed from beginning to the end, without any trace. You will agree with me that only intelligence professional can achieve that level of privacy and anonymity.
And you know, they won't make noise about it until they have gathered enough intelligence. Or may never say anything about it forever, just using it secretly for their purpose. What do you think? Have you ever reasoned in this direction?
1. No one has ever created something as big and enormous as Bitcoin and chooses to remain anonymous. The temptation is always too strong for a mortal human being to resist.
2. I am of the opinion that Bitcoin is too complex to be the handwork of one man or few persons. And how it was quickly accepted and distributed shows the evidence of complex and thorough planning, too thorough, and too complex to fit into one brain
3. How the founders identities were carefully concealed from beginning to the end, without any trace. You will agree with me that only intelligence professional can achieve that level of privacy and anonymity.
And you know, they won't make noise about it until they have gathered enough intelligence. Or may never say anything about it forever, just using it secretly for their purpose. What do you think? Have you ever reasoned in this direction?
I would say who cares, its Free and Open Source Software. Just like TOR, made by the US Navy, or SELinux by the NSA.
I doubt they would be able to justify it unlike the aforementioned projects. Tor was needed for operatives secure communications behind enemy lines, and SELinux to secure computers used by all agencies. What would they justify something like Bitcoin for?
I doubt they are involved, even if the maker (or group) might actually work for any of them. Cypherpunks are actually associated with the NSA, even if they deny it some of the best cryptographers are in there (the NSA) and they often recruit brilliant people.
In any case it doesn't matter. You have the source, if you suspect something, audit it.
Although you do have some valid points in terms of the ability of the creators and founders to remain anonymous regardless of it's popularity is a question to really ponder upon. But I doubt it is the brainchild of FBI or some other intelligence body, security experts can easily do such. We can easily look at Buterin and Ethereum, the idea of smart contracts although not his but his implementation using blockchain is completely genius. If not for the fact that we know he's the brain behind Ethereum, such an argument could easily be made also.
In some sense Bitcoin was created by US security services, because they have made significant contributions to Bitcoin's underlying technologies - modern cryptography and the Internet. If you don't trust some technology just becomes it comes from the US government, you should stop using anything digital altogether.
What really matters is that Bitcoin is open source software, and thousands of experts have already verified it and didn't find any backdoors. Who made Bitcoin is irrelevant, because you don't need to trust its creator(s).
What really matters is that Bitcoin is open source software, and thousands of experts have already verified it and didn't find any backdoors. Who made Bitcoin is irrelevant, because you don't need to trust its creator(s).
Is this a stereotype post. Why do you tell Bent on placing intelligent ideas on the US, the US is a recognisable country of the world but bitcoin did not originate from there it's just a figment of your imagination.
What kind of intelligence would they gather with an anonymous type of currency?
not that much
they could get a massive stake in a new currency, provided they did a good job of making it attractive to adopters
What kind of intelligence would they gather with an anonymous type of currency?
I believe that it's been established that Bitcoins isn't as anonymous as we were previously led to be that's why, many people are using the services of bitcoin mixers to make their transactions as anonymous as they can be. 
There is nothing to discuss big on this, what if CIA or FBI has created it. Are they gonna threaten us, this is simply unwanted discussion. What we have got is an advancing technology, nothing to correlate with CIA, FBI or Military. Only thing is that governments might keep everyone under their control same as the banking system does at present.
Bitcoin was probably created by the NSA.
Bitcoin's emergence and conception has been fairly transparent and well documented (apart from satoshi's identity, obviously).
The work that preceded and laid the foundation of Bitcoin (hashcash, bit gold, etc) is no secret either and happened independently of any government agencies (often even going as far as opposing governmental interference).
As such it's highly unlikely that Bitcoin was created by any such agency.
But then again maybe that's what the chemtrails make me believe.
The work that preceded and laid the foundation of Bitcoin (hashcash, bit gold, etc) is no secret either and happened independently of any government agencies (often even going as far as opposing governmental interference).
As such it's highly unlikely that Bitcoin was created by any such agency.
But then again maybe that's what the chemtrails make me believe.
What kind of intelligence would they gather with an anonymous type of currency?
What if Bitcoin was actually created by the CIA, or FBI, US Military to gather some intelligence? This weird imagination has been lingering in my brain because Bitcoin has all the signatures of what the USA Intelligence can create, Similar to the way they have created things in the past.
1. No one has ever created something as big and enormous as Bitcoin and chooses to remain anonymous. The temptation is always too strong for a mortal human being to resist.
2. I am of the opinion that Bitcoin is too complex to be the handwork of one man or few persons. And how it was quickly accepted and distributed shows the evidence of complex and thorough planning, too thorough, and too complex to fit into one brain
3. How the founders identities were carefully concealed from beginning to the end, without any trace. You will agree with me that only intelligence professional can achieve that level of privacy and anonymity.
And you know, they won't make noise about it until they have gathered enough intelligence. Or may never say anything about it forever, just using it secretly for their purpose. What do you think? Have you ever reasoned in this direction?
1. No one has ever created something as big and enormous as Bitcoin and chooses to remain anonymous. The temptation is always too strong for a mortal human being to resist.
2. I am of the opinion that Bitcoin is too complex to be the handwork of one man or few persons. And how it was quickly accepted and distributed shows the evidence of complex and thorough planning, too thorough, and too complex to fit into one brain
3. How the founders identities were carefully concealed from beginning to the end, without any trace. You will agree with me that only intelligence professional can achieve that level of privacy and anonymity.
And you know, they won't make noise about it until they have gathered enough intelligence. Or may never say anything about it forever, just using it secretly for their purpose. What do you think? Have you ever reasoned in this direction?
Wait, are you thinking the CIA, the FBI, or the US Army used bitcointalk? did they keep typing in the bitcointalk forum? satoshi attended this forum for a while, and I don't see the CIA, the FBI or the US army chatting in a forum. Another thing, you are underestimating people's intelligence, a single person could be able to create bitcoin, we can't underestimate people. As for staying anonymous, he may have been scared at first and then died without anyone knowing he created bitcoin
what if people have already asked this question a million times already?
Yeah, it has been asked and discussed many times before.--> https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/illuminati-who-create-bitcoin-system-cia-or-fbi-committete300-masons-2015-or-980847
--> https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/nsa-cia-fbi-took-control-of-bitcoin-373470
--> https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoin-was-made-by-cia-or-nsa-5067455
Yeah, I just read through those ones. They are quite different perspectives to similar question. And not everyone, including me, participated in those discussions. The questions I brought out on my own was not mentioned there too. So, it was similar titles but different questions.
what if people have already asked this question a million times already?
Every questions has been asked a million times before. You either respond or keep quiet.
what if people have already asked this question a million times already?
Yeah, it has been asked and discussed many times before.--> https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/illuminati-who-create-bitcoin-system-cia-or-fbi-committete300-masons-2015-or-980847
--> https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/nsa-cia-fbi-took-control-of-bitcoin-373470
--> https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoin-was-made-by-cia-or-nsa-5067455
I generally lean towards theories (or are they technically hypotheses?) that don't get asked a million times. Say, for example, alien civilizations that transmitted their social experiment as Bitcoin on mailing lists and then hijacking devices and IPs to provide a suitably obfuscated trail leading to, if ever traced, a random identity that wasn't Satoshi.
Sometimes when I enter into a first world subconscious, I can even theorise that Bitcoin could have been created by (Abrahamaic) god himself and his second coming happened in 2009. His second ascension happened shortly after, and I hear whispers that urge me to answer my prophetic vocation.
Do you ever consider this possibility as well? I know I'm not alone.
Sometimes when I enter into a first world subconscious, I can even theorise that Bitcoin could have been created by (Abrahamaic) god himself and his second coming happened in 2009. His second ascension happened shortly after, and I hear whispers that urge me to answer my prophetic vocation.
Do you ever consider this possibility as well? I know I'm not alone.
what if people have already asked this question a million times already?
What if Bitcoin was actually created by the CIA, or FBI, US Military to gather some intelligence? This weird imagination has been lingering in my brain because Bitcoin has all the signatures of what the USA Intelligence can create, Similar to the way they have created things in the past.
1. No one has ever created something as big and enormous as Bitcoin and chooses to remain anonymous. The temptation is always too strong for a mortal human being to resist.
2. I am of the opinion that Bitcoin is too complex to be the handwork of one man or few persons. And how it was quickly accepted and distributed shows the evidence of complex and thorough planning, too thorough, and too complex to fit into one brain
3. How the founders identities were carefully concealed from beginning to the end, without any trace. You will agree with me that only intelligence professional can achieve that level of privacy and anonymity.
And you know, they won't make noise about it until they have gathered enough intelligence. Or may never say anything about it forever, just using it secretly for their purpose. What do you think? Have you ever reasoned in this direction?
1. No one has ever created something as big and enormous as Bitcoin and chooses to remain anonymous. The temptation is always too strong for a mortal human being to resist.
2. I am of the opinion that Bitcoin is too complex to be the handwork of one man or few persons. And how it was quickly accepted and distributed shows the evidence of complex and thorough planning, too thorough, and too complex to fit into one brain
3. How the founders identities were carefully concealed from beginning to the end, without any trace. You will agree with me that only intelligence professional can achieve that level of privacy and anonymity.
And you know, they won't make noise about it until they have gathered enough intelligence. Or may never say anything about it forever, just using it secretly for their purpose. What do you think? Have you ever reasoned in this direction?
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