Topic: What if Russia economy grows higher after the war (Read 681 times)

After the role of Russia vs Ukraine there was a significant increase in oil prices, Russia was one oil-producing country so they could control prices, when the Ukrainian invasion of course had taken accurate considerations including the economic impact, even I was sure Russia would not be too disturbed by the sanctions of the USA and Europe.

I think this will not give Russia anything, only new problems. Why take a country with a post-war crisis of even greater proportions. I think Russia will strengthen its economy with the recent news that its natural resources are being sold exclusively for rubles. This will really benefit Russia, and import substitution will also help due to the departure of many companies from Russia.

I think there is such a scenario. Everything will depend on the political situation. Of course, sanctions have a huge impact on the Russian economy. It will take a lot of time to restore it. I think the territory of Ukraine for Russia does not play a big role. It's more like a restless and dangerous neighbor. After the end of the war, these two states will need to establish a new life. And maybe they will be able to do it in the future.

It is that simple, Russia has commodities the world wants and even if there are other suppliers there will always be buyers for Russian oil and gas, however the economic impact of the rest of the sanctions is going to be huge as many corporations are leaving the country and it is unlikely they will comeback, and if anything the sanctions against Russia are going to keep increasing, so I do not see how the economy of Russia will be bigger than what it was at the beginning of the war.

Russia and Saudi are the two largest oil exporters in the world, if the recent news turns out to be true then the dollar will be dropped from the Petro-USD game instead of the Petro-Yuan then the Russian economy will become stronger than ever.
Saudi turned down Biden's offer last week but can the US and NATO let them do it?. If it happens, it will be a major blow to the dominance of the US government. The balance of the world will change.

As soon as the news from India came out, the crude oil prices crashed from $130 to less than $100, although it recovered to >$100 later. In the end, everyone cares about their own budget. Rising oil prices may not have a big impact within the US, because they produce most of the oil that is consumed within the country. But that is not the case with other countries such as China, India and Japan, who import most of what they consume. These countries are going to be impacted if the prices remain high for an extended duration and will be forced to buy crude from whomever willing to offer a discount.

The worst thing is that Putin is achieving the goal and it is very likely that he will achieve it completely, the reason is simple, Ukraine asked for support from the USA and all of NATO, did he receive it? No, and it will not receive it, NATO will not lift a single finger, because it is a conflict that does not interest it, it is only taking care that Russia does not attack Europe, a nuclear attack on EUROPE would not give it much time to defend itself, that is something that is always very vulnerable, and if Russia attacks it is not known how good the defense response is, then in this case if NATO would enter, but NATO would have to fight against the real Russian army, which has nothing to do with what they are in Ukraine, they would have to defend themselves against the Chinese forces, which are much more radical and with an incredible force and possibly from Eastern countries, then the war would be something frightening, because I am sure that at least 1 continent would disappear and those allied countries of any of these countries would go to war because they would be fighting for a geographical position.

I still wonder how Russia economy will still grow bigger with all the sanctions giving to them. The European countries  no longer buy Russia gas, most countries are against russia,  it is not possible for Russia economy to grow higher because they need other countries to to get good economy.  Russia can't build their economy without engaging with other countries.

Is it conceivable to have a war that actually economically elevates a country? Yeah, maybe if you find a bunch of oil or gold. Unfortunately for the Russians, Ukraine has neither so the Russian economy will continue to tank. This is also within the context of their economy being atrocious to begin with. Putin couldn't afford a war, but presumably he could not afford Ukraine to join NATO either.


Seems clear they didn't expect the type of economic blowback they received either. The annexation of Crimea was met with little to no resistance and their economy did not crumble as a result. Appears now that major companies are pulling out their operations from Russia on top of the sanctions already in place. Russia is taking civilian causalities more seriously, certainly.

Even if the US and the EU are incredibly powerful they are not the whole world, China is still the ally of Russia and Biden was going to have a meeting with the Chinese leader today to persuade them to their side, something in which he will fail, and if to this we add that suddenly there was a news that India was going to buy oil from Russia for a discount this show us that Russia will still have partners they can deal with, despite the economic sanctions being imposed to it.

I don't think it will be that possible. The economic sanctions given to Russia is way too strict for them to revive their economy. It will take a whole year for Russia to gone pass this terrible economic sanction. The whole Nato community is against them, they can only draw their strength from China and India to be able to revive their fallen economy.
Economic sanctions cannot stop the Russian-Ukrainian war. What can do is a diplomatic initiative brokered by a neutral party. Of the five world superpower nations, four (Russia, US, UK, and France) have already compromised their neutrality by officially taking sides in the conflict

It will be difficult to see Russia pick up after the war economically, nothing explaains that right. Most national allies will not come back immediately after the war, cause the proccess takes time. At the moment fund for other purposes will be allocated for war and the funding of the war at the moment will be odeprived. If the top valued coin like pounds and dollar refuse to trade for their coin, affecting the reserve of those coin, this could also disrupt the country plans in the nearest futture

People do not realize the lasting impacts of these type of sanctions. It already destroyed a big portion of their income, and Ruble worths a lot less because of it, the most devalued currency all of a sudden and I mean like more than Argentina and Venezuela and all that. Even Zimbabwe lost less value than Ruble during this period.

So it already hurt, but the longer it goes, the more it is hurting them and there is no way that they could just recover and be better right after the sanctions are lifted off neither. It would have a good impact at first but those deals need to be restrict again. All of this results with maybe years of terrible economy for them already guaranteed today, gets worse every day it goes on.

Russia's economy has been tested when they faced difficult times at the beginning of the split of the Soviet Union, at that time there was a war for many years but economic conditions were still good, and now Russia's invasion of Ukraine has certainly done a lot of analysis including short-term and long-term economic effects.

Well if thenRussian economy gets bigger instead even with the sanctions then they really are more powerful.  But definitely Putin will not.get all the credits because it must China that is much powerful and could buy up Russias products.

If any reason why Russia wont fall is because gradually countries are ditching USD. The sanction seem to trigger them to abandon the use of USD. Russia and Saudi news collaborate with this news which they wil be using Yuan.

Despite that anything is possible, I honestly don’t think that it would be that easy and the chances are like “zero” “nada”. Right now, Russia’s economy is crumbling because of the Western sanctions. The damage has been done in both economically and diplomatic relationships.

Yes we all know that the economy can be revived, but building and recovering will take a very, very, very long time.

Reminds me of a quote something like “It takes XX years to build reputation and trust, only to lost it in just less than 24 hours”. This is what Putin did to himself, and he paid a big price. Karma is gonna haunt him for the rest of his life.

I think the part that some of you are missing is that a country doesn’t just grow on its own, it is its dealings with other countries by exporting and importing that would help it to grow. I don’t know how they plan to build their economy after they have been sanctioned by a lot of countries around the world, and now it would be difficult for them to do business with any of them this time around.

And you do know that if they should happen to win this war against Ukraine, the world would still be against them and the EU and the US would keep doing things in a way to tackle Russia as time goes on. I think right now it would be a perfect time for them to make peace instead of prolonging the war and making people to lose their lives.

It will be very difficult for Russia’s economy to get back on its feet.

Their economy has crumbled so much and the extent that it has gotten to now would make it difficult for it to be able to recover easily. Though that’s not to say that it can’t be recovered, it is possible if they should work hard towards that and do the necessary things that they are meant to do, but even at that it is going to be a process that would take years for it to happen.

It is easy to send an economy crashing, but building it is something that would be a long process. And you have to know that even if they should win this war, they have already sabotaged their relationship with the EU and that would affect them with all the sanctions that has also been imposed on them.

I would guess that Russia never really lost the fearful respect that they got. At the end of the day it is Russia and they have so much nuclear power that they could destroy any nation they want. And between Afghanistan and Syria, they were also directly involved with wars as well and somehow people only cared when it was Ukraine.

I mean what they are doing right now to Ukraine, they have been doing that for a long time in Syria as well and still doing it today, they are bombing and killing people who they see as danger, with the "given rights" by their dictator in charge right now. Which is why I believe that Russia always got that, they just got it bigger now that the place they are attacking borders Europe.

It wont stop anytime soon and situation becomes even more worst.
Here's some thing.
Ukraine war latest: Russia imposes sanctions on Biden and Blinken
https://www.ft.com/content/e3d7f22d-d858-44c0-a86e-6909a6eab266

Seems like they are really doing this too far.

While without a doubt Russia expected to win this war under a week and now they are frustrated this is not the case I doubt that they are destroying the infrastructure out of anger, this is nothing more but another example of total war, in which the invader begins to destroy anything that may have some use for the opposite army with the hopes of demoralizing them and at the same time to cut short their supplies, this means Russia is taking more seriously the war and it is just one more indicator that tells us they are not going to back down on their decision to invade Ukraine.

Putin has already lost the war in Ukraine. The Armed Forces of Ukraine inflicted such colossal damage to the invading Russian troops on the manpower and equipment of the invaders that now Russia is turning to China for help in military equipment, and in Syria and Libya is recruiting volunteers for the war in Ukraine. The image of the invincible Russian army has been irreparably damaged, but that's not even the point. Putin and his military leadership have made many mistakes by counting on a quick victory over Ukraine in three or four days. Russia now can no longer defeat Ukraine, and they have already realized this there, so they simply destroy any of its infrastructure in anger, because they know that it will not be captured and will not belong to Russia.

On the other hand, the imposed sanctions will work and continue to have a devastating effect on the Russian economy, even if they are lifted in the near future. Therefore, soon Russia will become a poor state, if it still retains its territory, which I deeply doubt.

Who are the allies to be identified with Russia? As at now every businesses, companies and organizations were departing the country and no one has come out boldly to make a stand with Russia, meaning that all that Putin is doin is unethical and not tolerated by any culture or continent, it is believed to be an act of massacre, even the millitary that goes into war always have a plan of rescue of the innocent citizens, females and young ones.

Russia want to show to the world their power. In recent years Russia isn't talked much. Most when discussed about world powers, the talks will be mostly of USA and China. That too might be a reason for the unexpected invasion on Ukraine.
Almost most of the leading business firms have stopped operating in Russia. For some time period the employees will be paid, afterwards firms will always look for a way to stop paying.

Russia didn't expected that Ukraine will stand strong. If I'm not wrong Russia could've thought Ukraine will obey and surrender. But, things happened in the opposite way and this itself a failure for Russia.

It can't. Because for an economy to grow it would have to be connected to the global market, and in the event, it did occupy Ukraine, it would still be under sanctions. Furthermore, in the case of full occupation of Ukraine, it wouldn't be a peaceful place and therefore it would be economically inessential. So no, Russia made an economic error, and it failed to move with the times (as China did, where you can see they do not want a war because their economy grows without it). There would have to be a big shift in Russian political and governmental organization for it to be accepted back into the global economy.

Putin has not done this to gain economically from this invasion, because Russia is printing money from the increased oil prices. The sanctions will hurt most of the countries more, than they are hurting Russia at the moment.

McDonald’s announced that it would be suspending its operations in Russia. This affects 847 branches and 62,000 employees, who will continue to be paid. - Now, how does a paid vacation sound like, if you not working... but still getting paid?

Russia (Putin) invaded the Ukraine for political gain to flex his muscles to show the world that they are still one of the most powerful countries in the world. They also showed the Ukraine and their own citizens, what will happen if they even considered apposing their reign. 

Russia need to win this war for future balance of power in the international politics but not through missiles and guns but by way of high level diplomatic dialogues. They must dialogue with their sister's nation Ukraine and agree to help part fund the rebuilding of the ruined cities in return of a no NATO Ukraine membership. Violence will mean more sanctions and woes. 

Well that is mainly because they have the power of energy that helps them out a lot and that is why they never really needed to grow. They come from a long lasting level of secrecy from the KGB and USSR period as well, assignations and hidden idea stealing and so forth.

It means they do not need to build an amazon, a tesla, a google, or a facebook. They have gas, oil, and factories which is more than enough for them, and lands of lands of farms as well. When you combine these to a multi billion dollar levels, you really do not need anything else. Don't get me wrong USA has enough oil, gas and farm lands as well but they preferred to go with the tech route and it worked out well for them, so that is not wrong move neither.

It will be difficult for Russian to take over Ukraine economy to grow higher because others countries of the world will not allow such calamity to happen to Ukraine or any country of the world. Based on the new attacked Ukraine soldiers lunch on Russian economy, show that their economy will take like 3 or 4 years before their economy can grow higher as usual in the country. Ukraine government are ready to do everything possible with their power to protect what belong to them  not to allow Russian to take over their resources and other things in the country. 

I think that the only way it can grow is for the Russians to be victorious and manage to invade Ukraine in its entirety and impose a state allied to them, which is a Russia in disguise, I think that is the only way to empower itself and if this happens, it would be leaving behind economies like the United States and Europe far behind because Russia would become a creditor of many natural resources, uranium and a total privileged position by the Black Sea, which would make having a great commercial control essential for the whole world. And if Russia is a power in terms of gas, oil, with this acquisition hand in hand with China, it will be a power that no one will want to mess with, because they would have more nuclear strength.

     I might be wrong here but I really think that this us impossible to happen just think about how severe those sanctions are since there are currently 5500+ sanctions imposed on Russia whereas on iran it's only about 3k. And if you think about it, it may even be because of this that Putin went ballistic and shelled the 6 reactors at Zaporizhzhya station which could've been very disastrous had there been any mistakes.

Take economic power of the UKRAIN?

HOW?

Though Russia succeeds with the Ukraine war and is able to rule that land they wont be getting anything. Jelensky already stated in the news before that their schools, universities, hospitals and businesses have been bombed to the ashes and there is literally junk in that country and nothing else.

Have you ever imagined how much cost it would take to rebuild the cities, roads, buildings and bloom that country one more time? Jelensky already asked for $100 Billion from the NATO, and this money can only replenish the current war period and nothing else.

There is no wat they gonna get anything from it. Russia will actually get more into debt after this.

I don't know if anyone here follows on Instagram the page Ukrainian_Defense but that page shows just that,Russian "unparalleled" weapons destroyed every single day.I see posts from this page a lot daily and it gives me courage that Russia will not prevail that easy if at all.Someone says "Russia is Zimbabwe with snow" I say they will soon become the second north Korea completely isolated from the rest of the world.What rages everyone is those government persons claiming we are not doing any invasion on Ukraine,they seem to live in their distort reality.The fact that the EU during the summit at Versaille clearly wanted to build a greener energy sustainable before 2030 says a lot,EU is strong and can do that.

Even if Russia in the scenario that completely get Ukraine and make it part of Russia their economy will still fail because EU and US will not buy from their commodities,they will prefer more expensive alternatives at the cost of Russia starving to death.Also no one looks at Russian civilians with empathy anymore but with strong antipathy now and most big EU firms promised never a job Russia will get from EU.

Russia is en route to fail miserably over the long term.

Oil producing countries will not produce more because they love what's happening right now and they are the one who's benefiting on this war since if the price of oil became more expensive then most provably it will give more profit to them so I guess we will remain like this until the issue on Ukraine and Russia will not resolve.

As someone said "Russia is Zimbabwe with snow." Yes, no matter how strange it sounds - but Russia is technologically the most backward of the "big countries". Everything that is more or less technologically advanced is the legacy and remnants of the technologies of the USSR. Everything on which industry and the economy are based is Western, attracted technologies. You will not be able to find a single technology in the last 30 years that Russia would have created and brought to the international market as a complete complete solution! The only thing she could do was sell resources and bribe politicians who would buy the rest of the rubbish from Russia, such as their "unparalleled" weapons, which are now being destroyed in Ukraine at a wild speed

  Countries all over the world have announced that they will not buy oil, gas and other energies from Russia and they're going to search alternatives.
First of all, If we look at the 2nd world countries, their advance depend on export of natural resources, another key driver of economic growth is technology. I have never heard about their advance in technology. So make your own conclusions

A few words about "the whole world depends on Russian oil"

Venezuela will sell oil to the United States.
Caracas intends to increase oil production in 2022 to 2-3 million barrels per day and sell it in the United States.
"Venezuela is open to investment, oil and gas production, oil and gas stability around the world, including the United States. We are ready to sell US oil and gas, we must not politicize economic issues," said Petroleos de Venezuela (PDVSA). President Nicolas Maduro.
Nothing personal, just business !

I doubt this scenario will happen, after all we have already seen the crumbling of the USSR and Russia despite its size remained unified, so I find it difficult to believe that even if we could see a collapse of their economy something like this would happen, if anything a repetition of what we saw back then would be our best hope, in which a popular but inept leader rises up and then when things are going badly then an ex member of the previous government takes control and then we are at back at square one with Russia.

In order for the economy to grow after the war, the economy must exist Russia has an economy
1. Non-competitive
2. Technologically backward
3. Technology dependent
4. Mostly resource-based economy
5. Commodity economy - dependent on Western technology

Therefore, there is NOTHING to recover! The result will not be economic growth, but the collapse of Russia into many independent, Western-controlled states.

they will survive even if there are tons of sanctions thrown to them. and yes, another giant economy is on their side, which is china. they will suffer economically, but they will recover. how long? that's the big question. also we don't know yet the end of this war. maybe, just maybe, putin will come into his senses. and stop this aggression. we are just hoping for the best here. but let's see, maybe after a couple of months or so, we will see what will happen to these 2 countries. but am hoping that civilian casualties should stop as soon as possible.

That would be an ideal scenario for the US but I doubt it is going to happen, as unbelievable as it may seem the level of debt Russia has compared to his GDP is on the low side allowing them to more easily maneuver despite the sanctions, and when we add that we know the Chinese government is on their side then the economic sanctions are not going to be as effective as they could be, so all in all I think Russia with some troubles will be able to endure the sanctions no matter how hard they are.

Like two sides of a coin war comes with either a resultant effect that may either be negative or positive to all involved, including the victims.

Whether Putin's orligachys are being investigated over stashed money outside Russia or not, whether Russia and it's citizens would or wouldn't benefit from the aftermath of the war it's something one can't be sure about cause, the so-called politicians always knows how to cover their tracks.

All we're seeking is an end to the war. I believe life is starting to become unbearable for children and women in both countries who knows little or nothing about this war.

I am speechless reading every line that comes from a Ukrainian person who is living an unjust war for Putin. Because I think that it is not the same desire of all the inhabitants of Russia. Which will be a few Russians who support him. I am moved...Ukraine is very brave, it has its president Zelensky who has become a hero in the way he is defending his country.
From social media we see the Ukraine-Russia war totally unfair outside of our modern times.
All aggressions in other countries must also stop: Israel, Palestine, Yemen, Afghanistan among others.

My sincere support for your country, Ukraine, and may evil go away and peace reign.
We need to ask for world peace.

Though it is big country the isolation from the rest of the world will surely make a big change in the economic conditions of the country. Even if it manages to recover, it won't happen in the short. Peace is much needed for now, because the situation seems to go out of control as nuclear station is being attacked. There is no big damage and everyone fear this shouldn't happen same as the Chernobyl.

"Guerilla war" not gorilla lol. And his idea is not to put puppet leader there, his idea is to create a buffer zone even if Ukraine is accepted to EU. Meaning if he gets those first two lands, which he invaded fairly easily, that means there will be a buffer zone. He could put all the military a bit further up thanks to those lands, make those lands a "great" place to live, and basically use those places as a buffer zone that would have military AND civilians so that if Europe ever wants to attack, they will first need to kill those people and fight those armies. Meanwhile Russia could get ready for anything else, like nukes.

So, all of this is actually for that two pieces of land, and he doesn't care about the rest, he does attack the rest, but just to say "we will back down to just those two cities".

Russia's goal of taking over Ukraine is so that they don't become friends with the US, we all know that Russia and the US have had a cold war all this time.  i still believe that Russia will not be able to take over Ukraine ^{(because Ukraine has fighters who are ready to protect their country)}, urging after urging hopefully can make the war stop so that Ukrainian citizens who fled abroad can return to their country and can return to their activities as before.

Russia economy hasn't been tampered with so far. They don't have any casualties except for the ones that died while invading Ukraine. So Russians stand a good chance of improving their economy after the war since they are independent to a very large extent they can actually boost their  economy through subordinate countries through importation  and international deals with them neglecting EU and NATO

That's really funny. Just double verify the news man, Russia is already cut off from the SWIFT, there are long waits for the Russians to get cash money from machines and banks. They have their currency devalued in the international market and most importantly they are loosing money like hell everyday on their war acts.

Russia is now segregated badly as ground X continent. They gonna suffer. Many businesses will pull back from their land and they will see economic downturn soon.

After war, they will be bankrupt continent with no man's land.

Russia and Ukraine's economies will be weakened after the war and billions of dollars will be required for reconstruction and all this will take years to happen. The war is still on and even though everyone expects Russia to win but we can't really tell how long it will take or Russia's plan on Ukraine.

For now it seems regime change is a priority rather than economic integration.

Their economy has fallen badly, and reviving an economy that has fallen this bad is usually a really difficult thing.
But, I am not trying to say that this is not possible, yes it can be possible, but it’s going to require a lot of hard work to be able to revive this economy that has fallen to this extent.

And another thing you have to know again is that they have marred their relationship with so many other countries , and I don’t think they will be able to build their economy alone. They will have to be steady exporting and be in good relationship with other countries, that’s what will help them build their economy back up.

Without a doubt the US and their allies are trying to isolate Russia, however there is a problem with all of those sanctions, while it is obvious they are going to have a negative effect on the economy of Russia, once the Russian government deals with it, the previous sanctions lose their power and future sanctions will not be as effective, so the chances that something like that is going to be able to stop Putin are very low, and it would not be long until Ukraine is completely annexed by them.

I’m sorry, can you mention which countries are those? Maybe China? If Russia has planned themselves before the invasion into Ukraine, and you think that they are prepared for this, why then has there been such an economy meltdown in their country? If they were prepared and not too dependent on other countries as you have said that they are, then their economy would have been very much stable by now even after the sanctions from EU and the US.

So, I am sorry to say that I totally disagree with you. And for them to recover after this is going to be a really difficult thing to do.

The war will cause more or less losses in the country to a certain extent. After the war, Russia's economy will not grow much, and it can only slowly restore the economy.
Every time a war breaks out, buildings and houses will be damaged, and the country will choose to repair these damaged buildings first.
War reduces the development of a country's economy. What's more, the war will bring the country to ruin.

I haven't heard that the Russian economy is bad, and I think Russia is a country that doesn't really depend on the US and EU, they are a productive country and Russia's investment is with the surrounding countries so that the impact of Russia's invasion of Ukraine has not had a bad impact on the economy, of course Russia has learned from it. embargoed countries such as North Korea, Cuba or others.

At first, Russian soldiers did not shoot at the civilian population of Ukraine. At the same time, Russian prisoners were also treated well in Ukraine, who, in fact, became victims of Putin's propaganda that there are only Nazis and fascists in Ukraine now. However, having met stiff resistance from the entire Ukrainian people, the Putin regime is using the same method that was previously used in the war with Chechnya. They ordered to shoot at the civilian population of Ukraine, seeking to provoke the anger of the Ukrainians and cruelty towards the captured Russians, so that the Russians would not try to surrender. Therefore, now civilians are massively dying in Ukraine. But in Russia itself there is propaganda that Ukraine is being liberated from neo-Nazis.
Now the civilized world is seizing the property of Russian oligarchs so that these funds can then be used to restore Ukraine. And rightly so, but the measures taken to stop the war are not enough yet.

Too many major powers have sanctioned the Russian economy, restricted Russian-related funds within their own borders or opposed the use of Russian exports, but Russia's relationship with NATO will not ease. The war with Ukraine is NATO's threat to Russia.

If Russia can win and take control of Ukraine they will still be in trouble in the economy because of the huge cost of war they have spent it is very likely that they will become a bankrupt country, especially no matter how much resources in Ukraine, Russia will not get any benefit if it continues to have leaders who only think about war and strengthen weapons rather than build their economy.
You can see Singapore small countries with less resource but very stable on economy because have good leadership to built their economy.

Those Russian soldiers completely ignored and violated the rules of war,
it's really sad when civilians who have nothing to do with this war are also targeted for them,
moreover even small children are victims and I hope they get heavy sanctions for these actions

There is some chance that the sanctions and embargoes may bring something positive to Russia. First of all Putin's oligarchs are being investigated in Western nations over their dirty money that is stashed on various tax havens. It makes it difficult for them to move money from Russia to countries like the United Kingdom or France. In the end, they will be forced to spend all that money in Russia itself. And that will be in some way beneficial for the ordinary citizens of Russia as they will get back some of the money that has been stolen from them.

This is the sad reality as of this moment on yet there were no exemptions and it is truly a genocide thing.Speaking of success about economy then it would be still questionable because we dont know if the impression
of other countries would be still that good or would be looking bad and we dont even know if those sanctions would be temporary or would really be that permanent which all would be still questionable.

No one really knows on what would happen next to Russia after this war would be over.For now lets just hope that it would be stopped yet lots of innocent people do really suffers on this war.

It is literally a sort of economic interest that brought to something more agressive and even caused a war.
This war will obviously have losing results in both parties but to see it that Ukraine had suffered most and it makes them hard to recover fast than Russia.

Russia is powerful already even before and they protect that power no matter how much it cost, even the lives of their people. And this Ukraine supposedly lives happy and free from the war if they stay neutral (my opinion).

Succeed? - there is no such a thing when Russia has already lost much more than Ukraine. Just forget the word ,,succeed'' when Russian soldiers are killing children and violate the rules of war.this is not conquest but genocide.

So to say, "the Russian economy" is a fake. The only thing they can do is sell resources. And then with a caveat - only in the presence of Western technology and technology. They do not produce anything on their own, they do not have a full-fledged production, the maximum is processing. To be convinced of this, just look at the results of the attack by "the strongest army on Earth", on a small Ukraine, with a rather weak army!? Do you want me to show you real photos of the defeated columns of the Russians? Do you want me to show you a lot of videos where they surrender in platoons? Do you want me to show you the fields with a bunch of corpses of Russians whom Russia does not want to take? You know that in the 7 days of the war against Ukraine, the "strongest army in the world" lost more than 2 wars in Ichkeria! Today, the losses of Russia in 7 days of the war against Ukraine are 50% of the losses of the USSR in Afghanistan in 10 years! Stop listening to fakes about "the greatness of Russia", "powerful Russian economy" and "unparalleled weapons", these are all fairy tales for a crazy old man in a bunker ...

You seem pretty naive and lacking in much economic intelligence. The people of Ukraine, even if they are occupied by Russia, will continue to fight a guerilla war against these oppressors for the long term. It will be a persistent thorn in the side and drag down Russia even further. The Russian economy has been decimated by all the sanctions and their reputation is in the dirt.. it's like saying will a country get richer after losing 90% of their value. They have literally thrown away the last 20 years of progress for Putin's vanity war.

Putin is mad, so we can't assume anything in advance. It's pretty sure Putin not gonna stop the war before he wins. Since any country including NATO isn't helping Ukraine, then it's not hard for Russian to grab the Ukraine. Two things would happen, Putin would combine Ukraine with Russia as a state, or he could accomplish his nominated president there. The more likely second option would be done. But I think sanctions would exist the same as now even they win. Not gonna change it very soon. Putin has to struggle to rebuild the economy with help of their friend country. There is something on his mind that we don't know exactly.

As long as the sanctions remain, Russia's economy isn't going anywhere and from what I see, I can tell that these sanctions will remain for a very long time. Russia has already declared that they are not going to make payments for their bond coupons. That pretty much means bankruptcy. Financially, Russia is a bankrupt state right now.

As long as China is not putting sanctions in Russia, their economy will not fall that much. They can feel some hindrances in doing transaction but Putin is prepared for this before he started the war. He might already have plans or alternatives to the sanctions that they are weighing as they still continue the fight. Russia can grow more powerful after war if they become successful in invading Ukraine but hopeful peace talk will happen already to stop it and to no longer put in danger all the innocent lives.

Sanctions after sanctions, these will surely make Russia suffer even after they takeover kyiv. I think even if they could have Ukraine, the effect of international sanctions that they are facing will be massive in terms of economic drop. However, if they could find alternatives to these given sanctions added by the land and natural resources that Ukraine has, they could potentially be more powerful.

If they don't take that much damage then they're going to get richer in the war but if they did sustain a heavy one then they're going to make only a breakeven, plus it's going to take them a lot of resources to rehabilitate Ukraine since they're going to have to rebuild it and with the economic sanctions, we might see Russia plunge into an even worse economic turmoil.

The economy of Ukraine is in ruins and the number of refugees exceeded 1 million(it will grow even further).
Even if Russia occupied Ukraine,there's going to be a gorilla war.Who is going to invest and build businesses in a country,that is ruined by a war and the people are trying to escape?
Ukraine will become a huge financial burden for Russia.Putin knows that and he doesn't want to conquer Ukraine.He wants to establish a puppet government and a guarantee that Ukraine will never become a member of NATO.
The economy of Russia cannot grow under severe western sanctions.

I can't imagine what will happen if Russia succeeds in conquering Ukraine because Russia will try to conquer other countries to show that Russia is stronger than them. What is clear, EU countries and NATO will not be happy with it, and maybe it will trigger other tensions. But hopefully, Russia fails in conquering Ukraine because aid for Ukraine continues to arrive to provide support to the country.

But there is a possibility that the Russian economy could be hit hard after the war because their resources have already been used up for the war, and although they still have supplies to hold on to, I don't believe they are still going strong. But I don't know, and I'm not that interested in war. It is better to pray for safety for Ukraine's people.

There will become another war if that happens, we all know that Russia and China were both similar country. What I mean by that is they want power and to conquer many parts of the world, like what China does on Spratly Island which is part of the Philippines.

Knowing that if the economy of Russia grows after the war, they all have the money to spend on upgrading their military force and conquer other part of the world. Who knows, maybe if that happen, the whole earth may become Russia, and I am sure that all of the country that has the power to stop Russia must do what they can to prevent that from happening.

The Russian Ukraine war has been considered as the worst thing even more than a covid-19 pandemic, things will never go back to normal both the economic and the military infrastructure and equipment have been destroyed through the war and we fear if this will not need to another world war because the world is not prepared for that now. There is a high possibility Russia will succeed in its conquest of Ukraine but what positive impact will that make on their economy. I don't think there is much for Russia to gain in this war.

Don't even dream about it. Russia, in principle, could capture Ukraine, but it will not be able to keep its territory. In addition, during the first week of the attack, the Russian military made many mistakes, because of this the people of Ukraine have united so much that Putin will not even be able to occupy Ukraine.
The latest sanctions should hit the Russian economy very painfully, after which, apparently, it can turn into a secondary state and lose part of its territory.

In fact, Russia wants Ukraine to rejoin the Russian state, and if Russia succeeds in controlling Ukraine then Russia's power will of course increase.
But with so much criticism from other countries even Ukraine has the sympathy of many countries on other continents, it will not be easy for Russia
to control Ukraine. Even if Russia finally gets what they wants, it is certain that many countries have imposed economic sanctions and it is likely that
Russia will have difficulty developing its economy. Even though Russia is a big country, it still requires the support of other countries to accelerate
economic development. It is unlikely that many countries will provide support for Russia after this incident.

one of the causes of the war was because of the plans for ukraine to join the EU and nato and if this happens i think it will be more difficult for russia to win, but anything can happen considering russia is a country that is equipped with modern and sophisticated weapons but i hope it is selfish Russia can be submerged and can make peace with Ukraine because we know the impact of this war on its people

He thinks he is the winner because he have done massive damage in Ukraine but for us, Ukraine is still the winner here because they defended their country with all of their heart. Peace talk can be done by other countries but not with Putin because this guy is crazy. He wants real action, wars and there they have it. If Russian economy grows higher after a war, I think someone will be out of their minds because that is unbelievable.

We all see what Russia did to Ukraine and they will still get all the sympathy? that's not right. What can actually happen to Russia is their economy will crash very hard. Everyone is expecting this already and that can't be change anymore.

If Russia will win from this war, that will not change everything as Putin becomes the root of everything that had turn lives into deaths and destruction of all the infrastructures that could give benefits to the most people in Ukraine. And the fact that this war arise from the selfish desire of Putin, i guess at the end of the day no one deserves to win from a war. Supremacy may be totally achieved by Russia, but it should have never be done from war, instead let peace talk should be its only option. And for EU and NATO countries, i think this war may build a gap between them and Russia but future state leaders will manage to settle that.

Taking over Ukraine would do more damage to the overall economy than if they just backed down.  The entire world is levying sanctions against Russia.  After a takeover the world will be very reluctant dealing with Russia both on imports and exports.  Why would you think this would help their economy?  Seems pretty cut and dry what this invasion has done to their economy already.

Possible scenario is replenish the food storage, bullets, and other equipment to start invading neighboring country. They will be come powerful with the economy of Ukraine under their grasp. Striking the iron while it is hot they say. If not then they will continue to suffer with more Sanctions and find a way to elevate their economy. It is just a matter of time where their own people will make their country fall, hungry people can do anything and it includes going against it's own government.

Russia's economy grows after the war? What a joke. How exactly is it supposed to do this? Russia's economy is heavily dependent on international collaboration: trading with other countries, importing and exporting goods. Many big companies have already said they'll have nothing to do with Russia. Apple, Nike, Netflix (here), Intel, AMD and TSMC (here) are restricting their goods and services in Russia. Sanctions are freezing Russia's reserves, hitting ruble and major companies. Their economy is collapsing, and it will take decades to work on an independent economy that can somehow function in the contemporary world, if that's even possible. And that not to mention that Russia's economy wasn't doing great even before all these sanctions and restrictions, before the war.
As for Ukraine, while it's undoubtedly taking a huge economic hit because in many places people can't even work and because of the war, billions of dollars of support are arriving from the West, so they'll help Ukraine pull through the war, and then Ukrainians are very willing to do everything they can to help each other and their country, rebuilding it after it's over.

I think there are donations going on for both countries so they might likely have reserve after the war to fall back to. But Russians economy might still experience a little set back because i am sure Nato and EU has plans for rebuilding destroyed assets in Ukraine after the war

Economies take a huge hit during war because they make them unstable. Russia's economy will still take a big hit either way regardless of the outcome in Ukraine.

This being said, a lot of Russia's economy is raw materials so if they do win the war and also keep tensions low in their own country then they might see some sort of growth (especially since Ukraine has better crop growing soil than Russia) - it's also looking less and less likely Russia would win though too, so far I've heard reports of: Ukrainian farmers stealing Russian hardware with tractors, Russians surrendering and even Russians sabotaging their own equipment to save their lives before going into battle (eg the 40 mile long traffic jam being thought to have been caused by punctured oil tanks).

If they win that is and they're going to be spending more after the war because they have to secure the victory and at the same time make sure that things won't get awry with their new territory. Also, I doubt that they will grow in economy after this war, they're the war instigator so they're going to be putting resources and those resources will cost them money and war is a big resource guzzler no matter who the victor is.

I don't know what Putin's been thinking but I think their only goal is to achieve Ukraine without any trouble yet it's not that easy since they (Ukraine) were influenced by the west or NATO. It's all about their history about the Soviet Union that's why Putin's so desperate to take Ukraine.

Anyway, with all of these sanctions almost everywhere how could someone think Russia's economy would grow if most of the country has been cutting them off? Right now, China is the only one that I think has been normally trading with them but that's it – it has nothing to do with their economy since it will take a long time for them to recover after the war.

Even if you imagine the most stupid scenario where Russia annexes all of Ukraine tomorrow, the damage from sanctions is many times greater than the total worth of Ukraine's resources. Also raw resources aren't worth that much, look at Japan that has nothing and yet it's one of the richest countries in the world.

How would Russia rise for this situation? Sanctions for them is almost everywhere and they cannot accelarate their economy at this point even their currency has many limits in terms of transacting it so I don't think they will benefit on this and they became more powerful. What I think here is maybe Russia will lose a little bit power since some countries are been controlled by US and there are other more will join on NATO which is feared by Russia to happen.

Yes this the point because if they get success in that then every other thing will be in their care including the resources and economic value of Ukraine.


No Russia may not release that kind of dangerous weapon yet and not on Ukraine. Nuclear weapon are use is being monitored by US and I think if they use that, it might cause US to come into the war.

We all know that Russia is most concerned about power and not economic like that, maybe Russia will move more to dominate more countries with the lies of no-NATO-expansion. I just wish the EU and US can act as fast as possible, Ukraine is not part of NATO but if Russia conquer Ukraine, that could lead to another moves to dominate another country or making modern USSR. Best if Russia do not conquer Ukraine. But if we think of it, Ukraine is a country, at least, it will add to Russia benefits if conquered.

An unlikely scenario, since this war does not really increase the resources and economy of Putin's Russia significantly. What is certain is that he will now be considered an aggressive leader of a nuclear power willing to implement military solutions based on conquering free countries -would you trade with this country if you were a Western democracy?

My view, everyone's economy will be impacted negatively, there is no winner.

This is unlikely, we need to remember that even during the cold war the USSR which included Ukraine and many other countries was roughly the tenth economy around the world, this means that while the USSR had without a doubt the highest war potential after the US it was never really a threat economically, and I do not think this has changed or will change after the war, and a very simple way to verify this is by doing the next experiment, how many products you have in your household that were made at Russia? And most of the time the answer to that question is zero if you live outside of Russia.

 The deal is, when you have a nation full of resources, it is really not that easy to make different results than this anyway. I mean think about it, we are talking abour Russia here, obviously they are finanically and economically strong. Doesn't mean that they could never drop neither, they could drop very badly and could become very poor. The difference is that, do not imagine them like you consider venezuela, argentian, turkey or any other economically screwed nation. Russia is not like that, even with all those sanctions, they are still doing fine, why? Because they can literally live all by themselves and still not be as bad as those nations, being independent from outside of your nation is a power.

 This is horrible of course, if 1 dollar became 500+ ruble overnight because of this, Putin would have been forced to stop the war and go back, but now that it didn't, he is probably considering it as a great thing. All nations closed their air to flights from russia, all nations are putting sanctions, they are out of swift as well and here they are, still doing fine. I am not saying that they should keep getting sanctions, because thats not getting any better. On the other hand if you respond in military fashion then they have nuclear as well and mad men putin would probably use it and kill us all. All in all I would suggest that we should try to avoid everything.

Not exactly the future we hope to see but then they are also superpower which is posible. Russia will have to produce a lot of things like China to accomplish big to become the new hegemony and not just depend on their gas and oil exports.

And this is when Germany will start to grow some balls to join Putin and invade his neighbors too. The bigger they conquer the bigger their ecoomy as well. But this is if they are not shooting their Nuclear bombs.

I think the above partly summarizes russia's ambitions with ukraine.

If russia can expand outward they can project their military force further throughout europe.

Over the long term, what this means is some european nations could come to fear russia more than they fear the european union. Some may abandon the EU to ally with russia instead as they feel the winds of influence and power change.

We may be witnessing the initial stages of this shift with syria and others becoming allies of russia. It is possible that in the future, russia will dethrone the european union to become the dominant power in europe. If that indeed has not already happened.

You're right it will, but how long will that take is the question.  They will have to rebuild and build up and I suspect that will take some time. They are putting on a lot of damage to their economy now and their currency.  Even if they successfully take over Ukraine, that won't change much in my mind in regards to the European Union and NATO.  Russia has been viewed as a threat to much of the world and that will surely only get worse.  Then there's a chance they remain much more isolated with sanctions for some time. 

Will be interesting to see how this all plays out.

We buy steel-reinforced umbrellas because pigs will fly all around.
We start sending blankets and kotatsu to hell for the poor devils that are freezing to death.
Pet stores will start selling shampoo not only for dogs but for frogs.
Chicken milk will be a hit in every store and counry.
The week will have 8 Sundays.

And much more.
It will be a pretty interesting time to live in, too bad I haven't found yet the gateway to Reverso World where all this shit is going to happen.

Btw:

the what?

there is a possibility  Russia will feel high and be more courageous towards America, but I'm not sure economiy Russia will improve in a short time by seeing its currency has crumbled to zero maybe
relations with Nato and the EU will not be harmonious anymore until the future , will always keep the distance so that there is no friction like now

What will happen if at the end Russia succeed in her conquest against Ukraine and take over the economy of Ukraine. That will extend the economic power of Russia no doubt and that will make Russia more powerful.

How will EU and NATO countries relate with Russia if that happens ?