What if someone is wrongfully banned for plagiarism?

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@YOSHIE I think elda34b is right.
The issue here is about posts that are not copy/pasted but the user who made the posts gets framed for copy/pasting.

For example, you wrote these suggestions on how to avoid plagiarism:

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1. To quote or copy and paste other people's writings or sentences.

2. Using ideas, Altikers or other people's theories.

3. Using other people's facts (data, information)....etc etc

Now, imagine someone makes a blog post and enters the exact same post in his/her blog and then comes here and claims that you copy/pasted your post from his blog! That is what the OP was trying to say.

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Quote from: DireWolfM14 on January 24, 2019, 06:21:40 PM

Just a few months ago someone was banned for plagiarism, but after a more thorough investigation it was determined he had only made a mistake while quoting someone else's post. That account was restored. It happens, some one might be wrongly accused, but the account can be un-banned.

This is an alarming case but thanks to our good mods that analyzed the situation by their own first and do not just let the complainant influenced his decisions

. From now on I will be more careful when quoting someone's post because I admit that I am careless sometimes when enclosing the quote (I'm not aware sometimes that I forgot to include brackets)

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Quote from: theymos on January 24, 2019, 06:22:54 PM

First of all, if you have a history of good posts, then we're going to be suspicious of any plagiarism accusations. Second, if it does happen, you can come to Meta on a new account and explain it.

That exact scenario happened with chimk, and he was unbanned after we found out. And although it was certainly a big mistake on our part to have banned him in the first place, the person who framed him did in in a pretty sophisticated way, and his case was exacerbated by the language barrier (eg. we were unable to immediately determine whether he was a good poster or not).

The core problem of the topic.
I explained to avoid plagiarism and sanctions in the future. The point and purpose are the same (plagiarism).

Quote from: elda34b on January 24, 2019, 11:17:13 PM

I'm not sure if you did read OP or not (or If I misunderstood this post), but I'm pretty sure your answer is a way off. Please re-read the OP or read previous messages above yours.

The above is not answered from the source topic again, has answered, from the questions of other members, the goal is the same.
Bagun and wash your face drink a cup of coffee, Op fresher.

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Quote from: YOSHIE on January 24, 2019, 10:31:03 PM

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I'm not sure if you did read OP or not (or If I misunderstood this post), but I'm pretty sure your answer is a way off. Please re-read the OP or read previous messages above yours.

YOSHIE

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Quote from: FatBen on January 24, 2019, 06:07:31 PM

my questions are;
1. What has been put in place to avoid this kind of scenario from happening?

To avoid the occurrence of a plagiarism scenario.
What is very important to understand and avoid the category of plagiarism, never enter this scope.

1. To quote or copy and paste other people's writings or sentences.

2. Using ideas, Altikers or other people's theories.

3. Using other people's facts (data, information).

4. Recognize other people's writing.

5. Paraphrase (changing other people's sentences into their own sentence without changing the idea).

6. Submit a post / writing produced or has been published by another party.
Note:
'All of this without using quotes and without mentioning the identity of the source',

Quote from: FatBen on January 24, 2019, 06:07:31 PM

2. If the user got wrongfully banned, is there a chance that the ban can be reversed?

Plagiarism sanctions:
Plagiarism is a bad activity. The bad side that arises because and cannot be aborted and tolerated for reasons of:

1. Lies / cheats and prides oneself on something that is not in their possession.
2. Theft, recognizes people's ownership as ours.
3. Risks, Dismissal or issued in the BitCointalk forum, (prohibition).

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Quote from: TryNinja on January 24, 2019, 06:17:50 PM

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2. If the user got wrongfully banned, is there a chance that the ban can be reversed?

Yes. This actually already happened once. Someone got “framed” for plagirism and theymos found out, so he reversed the ban. I’ll tru to find the post and link it here for you.

Here is a link

Quote from: theymos on July 04, 2018, 10:49:53 PM

After investigation, and with help from the rest of the mod team, I've determined that inbizin = bitkoinguru$$$. He created that blog post (registering the domain in June) and then made that post in Meta in order to frame you. The moderator who actually did the banning was not a Russian moderator, but was acting upon what seemed to be a clear case of plagiarism. The thought of this type of attack had occurred to me before, but this is the first time that it's actually been done successfully. I'll have to think about countermeasures.

You're unbanned. Sorry about that.

By the way, slanderer inbizin has alt account neHcuoHep

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ETH address: 0x9Dbb88f89Cc50Bb8bBD9D12Ffce701EAAF960F2E

Quote from: inbizin on May 24, 2018, 07:36:20 AM

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Telegram username: @feedose
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Quote from: FatBen on January 24, 2019, 06:25:40 PM

Quote from: mikeywith on January 24, 2019, 06:11:59 PM

they will check the "date" , very easy to determine who posted first.

Yeah, It's easier to determine who posted first but if someone instead just decides to edit his older blog or site, it wouldn't be easy, would it?

Quote from: TryNinja on January 24, 2019, 06:17:50 PM

Yes. This actually already happened once. Someone got “framed” for plagirism and theymos found out, so he reversed the ban. I’ll tru to find the post and link it here for you.

Okay, that's good to know if the ban can be reviewed in such circumstances

Click right>>>check the source code, can tell you a few things, especially with WordPress. Google cache and archive.org too.
And if someone edit a 20 years old blog post to replace it with a bitcoin-related content, it"s easy to guess something is wrong, or the guy travelled in the future, got a Nostradamus illumination, ...

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Most cases of plagiarism I've seen are rather obvious. More importantly the worst offenders usually copy / paste multiple of their posts from various sources which makes them being "framed" rather unlikely.

It's good to know that ban reversals do happen when a plagiarism accusation turns out to be unfounded though.

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Quote from: mikeywith on January 24, 2019, 06:11:59 PM

they will check the "date" , very easy to determine who posted first.

Yeah, It's easier to determine who posted first but if someone instead just decides to edit his older blog or site, it wouldn't be easy, would it?

Quote from: TryNinja on January 24, 2019, 06:17:50 PM

Yes. This actually already happened once. Someone got “framed” for plagirism and theymos found out, so he reversed the ban. I’ll tru to find the post and link it here for you.

Okay, that's good to know if the ban can be reviewed in such circumstances

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First of all, if you have a history of good posts, then we're going to be suspicious of any plagiarism accusations. Second, if it does happen, you can come to Meta on a new account and explain it.

That exact scenario happened with chimk, and he was unbanned after we found out. And although it was certainly a big mistake on our part to have banned him in the first place, the person who framed him did in in a pretty sophisticated way, and his case was exacerbated by the language barrier (eg. we were unable to immediately determine whether he was a good poster or not).

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Just a few months ago someone was banned for plagiarism, but after a more thorough investigation it was determined he had only made a mistake while quoting someone else's post. That account was restored. It happens, some one might be wrongly accused, but the account can be un-banned.

TryNinja

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Quote from: FatBen on January 24, 2019, 06:07:31 PM

1. What has been put in place to avoid this kind of scenario from happening?

There is not much. But I’m pretty sure mods check for that on most cases.

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2. If the user got wrongfully banned, is there a chance that the ban can be reversed?

Yes. This actually already happened once. Someone got “framed” for plagirism and theymos found out, so he reversed the ban. I’ll try to find the post and link it here for you.

mikeywith

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they will check the "date" , very easy to determine who posted first.

in some cases even dates are not important, some things are just too obvious.

FatBen

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So I have been thinking.
What if some wrong character just decided to malice a user in the forum by going back to one of his blogs or websites and updating the contents to make it look like a user from the forum had plagiarised from his blog/website and then come back to the forum and report the user for plagiarism... user gets wrongfully banned.

my questions are;
1. What has been put in place to avoid this kind of scenario from happening?
2. If the user got wrongfully banned, is there a chance that the ban can be reversed?

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