Topic: What is happening in France? (Read 260 times)

It's the immigrants that saying thank you back to France for giving them a new chance with life. Really sad and disgusting.
Sweden is also a big chaos and been so for a year, not with riots but a lot of shootings, and it's only immigrants in that gang violence.
But it the end, this will only bite back to themself and new generations of refuges.

All political systems have winners and loosers I am afraid. It is quite traditional in Frances to protest, strike and make abundantly clear to governments that layers and groups of the society are not happy with their situation. France is a democracy, the government is elected by a majority, thus the protesters are really protesting against what was voted by a majority, so... too bad.

Anyway, France has a serious racism problem among others. There is no middle ground = you are French or you are something else, even if you have been born and educated in France you will be treated very differently opportunities or jobs wise depending on your origin.

I'm going to have to disappoint you. Young French national soccer players could get visas and "work" for France. But the statistics say the following - out of 100% of emigrants, about 80%+ of emigrants are welfare and welfare recipients. Of the 100% of emigrants to whom France, in a hospitable and friendly way, has provided much better living conditions than in the home country of these emigrants, about 65%+ are criminals and antisocial citizens. You still want to talk about soccer?!
Or maybe you want to talk about statistics , for example - the harsh, mostly deserved, police treatment of criminals, not emigrants ? Or just statistics about how many crimes emigrants commit in relation to the number of crimes committed by natives?  Or let's talk about - why tough detentions against the local population - no one causes acts of total aggression, looting violence and destruction of private property, except in cases of legitimate use of force against emigrants ?

That is not the kind of benefits we are talking about, is it because of the football team is made up of so many immigrants that is why you think that France is benefiting from them? This is even a big benefits to them because for you to play in the national team, that means you are being paid to walk and that does not mean that the country is really benefiting from that. There are so many immigrants in France and they are one of the people that are causing the problem destroying properties and making life hard for people to leave to. It is really not a good idea.

This only means that these riots, looting, and other ruckus that can be done by people can happen to any good and peaceful nation. And this only shows how powerful the people as if they'll connect to each other and help with what they want to demand. But it's true that protests should remain protests and is just all about conveying their message to the government. I think it's a good coincidence that I've watched a short video clip about peaceful protest and violent protests and the latter has gone to France.

Somebody should make a new pasta noodle, and call it Macrononi.


Macron Demands Platforms Delete Riot Content; Blames Social Media & Video Games For Protest Spread

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https://www.zerohedge.com/political/macron-demands-platforms-delete-riot-content-blames-social-media-video-games-protest
This came following five nights of rioting initially triggered by the fatal police shooting of a Muslim teenager, Nahel M.

Macron's comments are hardly original, yet they warrant scrutiny from a free speech perspective.

One cannot help but raise an eyebrow as President Macron pleads with social media giants to erase the "most sensitive" content pertaining to the rioting.

With a wave of his hand, he decrees, "platforms and networks are playing a major role in the events of recent days."

His words, veiled under a guise of concern, echo a familiar tune that has been played on the world stage before.

"We've seen them; Snapchat, TikTok and several others, serve as places where violent gatherings have been organized, but there's also a form of mimicry of the violence which for some young people leads them to lose touch with reality.

"You get the impression that for some of them they are experiencing on the street the video games that have intoxicated them," he added.
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I empathize deeply as a 17-year-old teenage boy who tragically lost his life by the police. But, this would not be a language of protest by any standards. We all have to admit that looting and burning cannot be justified in any way. It saddens me to witness the transformation of France from a once beautiful and peaceful place into a nation plagued by riots. These ongoing riots represent one of the most challenging crises faced by the French president's leadership. It is crucial for the president to respond with careful consideration and take the necessary actions.

At first, I have no idea of the current issue there until a video popped up on my feed and I saw police moving forward and they're on a flock. And civilians that they'll bump to have to give them the way. These police brutalities will truly lead to these worst scenarios if it's not given the attention by the president or whoever is of hold to them. And much worse this could lead to civil war if no man at high shall stand in the midst of these people.

If taken seriously by large militant groups and the citizens combining their force, expect the unexpected.

The situation in France was quite complicated considering that all parties stated that their actions were correct. I agree that protests against police brutality need to be carried out because their actions have gone too far, but rioting and looting by large numbers of people cannot be justified either.
I think that only a few people protest against police brutality, while the other part just joins in to riot and rob shops that have nothing to do with this problem. Someone must have orchestrated this many masses, be it from the opposition or otherwise, surely there are people behind the scenes who want to interfere with the running of the Macron government and this police brutality is just an excuse, in fact their goal is not to protest but to wreak havoc in France .

@DrBeer you're digressing and your biases are incongruent to the current situation in France for the past one week and the immediate cause of the rioting. We can do better by putting our sentiments aside and discuss on amicable ways on how such police killings could be ended irrespective of who's the victim of such act instead of trying to heat up the polity.

Stating that immigrants are uncivilized, and adding no benefits and value to their country of residence that you claim gives them shelter is not true and clearly express how tragic and concise your humanity is limited to your immediate environment alone. (No offense).

Hopefully,the unrest in France won't have much negative effect on the French economy for long, as there has been calls throughout the country for calm and normalcy has returned as the government has taken control of the situation.

I am not sure how can such large protest can happen due to single incidence. Has there been any investigation on how that child was killed? like is there any story which point out that he was deceased accidently during police-criminal fight, or may be as result of missfire etc etc. There could be any valid reason which caused this mass chaos to happen.

Moreover, there is always punishment for every crime that happens within the jurisdiction so definitely the police who did the wrong doing will have to face the charges for what he did.

I don't understand where is the law now and why the emotions are breaking in wrong direction. We are democratic society, we should follow the ethics nd rules to keep it as democratic. Now all these riots and stuff has made the country to go in the wrong direction of jurisdiction. Poorly managed I would say.

The chaos that occurred in France is really difficult to control,
the chaos continues and if you see the video on television the conditions are really tense,
shop owners or home owners who were not involved were also affected and it was seen that some people looted shops and set fire to the house it was just crazy.

Letting sand apes into society expect ape shit.

This is a sad situation in France. This problem was caused by a lawless youth that refused to obey a simple instruction. If he had respected the police officer, this crisis would have been averted. The police officer also acted unreasonably because the boy didn't pose any form of danger. Now people believe that the killing was racially motivated.  It is also unfortunate that criminals have capitalized on this unfortunate incident to cause havoc. Businesses have been looted and commercial activities have been greatly distorted.

The most important issue now is to stop the protest, investigate the killing and implement measures to avoid such occurrences in the future. Businesses that were affected should be compensated by the government so that they can recover the loss and start operations as soon as possible. One lesson we should derive from this incident is that without order or peace, economic activities will suffer.

Respect Sir DrBeer.
Just because there are groups of lawless immigrants shouldn't be enough reason to generalize that immigrants have no economic value. Many immigrants are contributing positively to the economy of European nations. With the problem of an aging population and low birth rate, most economies in Europe might face many difficulties if they fail to bring in immigrant workers. Recently Germany and Canada are coming up with policies that will create room for more workers from developing nations to migrate to these nations easily. We should come to realize that we need each other to survive instead of always pretending that we are doing a certain group a favor.

The current situation in France, like any other complex societal problem, requires a nuanced and balanced approach. Come on @DrBeer, there are legitimate concerns about immigration and its impact on society, But, I think, we're here to avoid generalizations as much as possible and consider the different perspectives you're presenting.

I note that the OP is trying to ask for a response from us regarding the situation there from the point of view of the latest developments, namely that there will be an unfavorable impact in France at this time where economic activity is under threat as a result of this incident.

Yes I have seen the videos on twitter and it’s pretty crazy what is happening there. Basically very similar to what happened with George Floyd during the Black Lives Matter riots and protests.

I feel bad for the shop owners and the people who’s car or home is destroyed by fire. Everyday I keep thinking the riots are over but the next day they continue on. And it seems to be spreading to other countries also nearby.

I was thinking this was not as bad as it is in a few African countries, especially in Nigeria, where the police brutality was up to the extent that led to the March 2022 protest. Police misconduct is gradually becoming a national problem that needs to be addressed, controlled, and those in uniform reoriented.
 
There are ways of doing things peacefully without causing harm to any of the parties, but when peaceful protests are going on, the same people who they are protesting against will still be the ones sent out by the government to come and arrest protesters.
 
In countries like Singapore, where crime is almost zero, people have been adequately managing their people to avoid such incidents of police and citizens colliding. Others can still do it; it's just a matter of re-strategizing and educating them again. Anyone who is guilty should not be spared but should face justice.

This goes way back too, which was evidenced by the fact that France has been in the headlines for quite a while now, and the existence of previous threads about this issue. It still all boils down to dissatisfaction with how the government is being run for the interest of the few instead of the many, and the ongoing police brutality debacle. If there's one thing about France that we should know of, it's that they don't take these things lightly, especially if it causes massive disruption in their way of living, I mean, their Marie Antoinette was parted from her head for a reason, and so was their king.

So yeah, you fuck with the French people you'll get the horns. That's pretty much it, and Until they are satisfied with how the government works and the dissolution of the current police system in place, this is gonna carry on for a while.

Next time you come across a repetition, please provide a link to the previous thread so that others can easily follow the conversation.

The police have their fault here but I think the fault is with the politicians and the media for sensationalism the news, people will come out to blame police for their misdeed of one of their members, do you know the numbers of innocent people being killed everything by the gangs and all these drug dealers that are causing problem through the country now, uncountable. They should have supported the police when these happens and let the police deal with the policeman through their own disciplinary committee and deal with the policeman that shot that boy but foolishly for Macron, he has lost the police and the masses, and find himself in difficult position. I do fear for Europe, why don't they want to have children and they keep importing people of different culture into their country at a very high rate. The future of the continent is very bleak, why they are doing this I don't know, instead of using these money to support immigrants, use it to support your own people to give birth to more children this is how you survive the future.

I beg to disagree with you on the issue of "benefits from the immigrants"
I think to a large extent, France has benefited immensely from immigrant population, ranging from a young protective work force. Take a look at  France national football team, it depicts to a large extent to which they've benefited from immigrants. However, there might be one two Judas within the immigrant population, but that doesn't make the problems squarely lie on them.

The consequences of excessive hospitality, self-deprecation, and attempts to play nice and responsive people.  Plus the manipulation and attempted internal pressure on Macron by his opponents.
There's a bunch of stuff mixed in there, from primitive idiocy to elements of geopolitical gamesmanship.
If you take the "grassroots" problem - the games of "tolerance" to immigrants flooding France - that was the foundation of the problem.  About 15 years ago I flew through France, Paris, De Gaulle airport, and had time to walk around Paris. No offense - I did not see a single "emigrant" who showed any benefit to the country that gave him shelter and the benefits of civilization. They were all consumers, all were quite aggressive towards the local population, and did not give a damn about France and its laws. I was then talking to acquaintances who lived in Paris, and to my statement "soon they will be a huge mass, which already considers France as their land, and you MUST HAVE THEM, do you want to start pre-emptive measures to take", I was told - "well what do you say!? they are people, they suffered there, we are civilized people, they will adapt and become full citizens of France". I laughed back, they were offended
It turned out I was right...

There is already an existing thread for this discussion and I advise you to continue with that discussion instead of creating another thread for the same discussion.


Back to the topic:  Police brutality has been on the increase across the globe and I wonder why officers of the law who are meant to protect the citizen's right are the same violating those rights to the point of committing extrajudicial killing of the 17 years who is underage so this has resulted into the unrest witnessed a cross french over the last weeks.

In the passing days there has been  disruption of lives, movements and also with destruction of public properties  across  major cities in France. This happening has hampered negatively on the economy of the country forcing the French president to abort one of his supposed diplomatic trip in light of the ill-fated situation.

The story line talks about, a 17 years old teenage boy that was killed by the police. This singular act has given birth to series of protest and riots that has affected, and created unrest in  major cities of the country leading to the arrest of more than 700+ protesters.

A lot of people have complained about the activities of police across the world, Because the George Floyd issue, the Arab Spring and a lots of activities of the police that has lead to protest that has resulted to unending riots, carnage and destruction that is caused by the excesses of the police across the world.

All the major cities in France is currently shutdown, economic activities are seriously under threat as shops owners are losing their goods  unabatedly, as the security force are overwhelmed with the situation.
I think is high time the Government of the world looks into the activities of police before they cause a volcanic eruption that will consume us all.
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-66073728