Topic: What is the meaning of wars and ignorance? (Read 290 times)

Times of meaning in wars are mostly gone, now it's a deadly puppet show

When someone is trying to dominance economically the already strong one then war comes out.
It is a way to keep your first position and the wealth above the other's wealth.
Just think of what is happening in the Middle East and what is the reason (the real one) when wars start.

That's a different situation and we do really have different point of views regarding the topic.

I know a country like this and they're being governed by a family passed by the throne one after another. I think we're done with those days and the wars that are being done this time are different.

We have technology and virtual wars do happen too.

Change they say always starts with you.
Here is a chance to better our world. As we face a common problem of Covid19, as we fight together with hopes to heal together, let is get an understanding that this world is collectively owned by us and see reasons for peaceful coexistence.

When one party forces its views and power, however it may not be said to create peace, in fact it can cause divisions.
everyone has different views and thoughts if there is no mutual respect between us, don't expect the dream of creating a peaceful world will occur.

Exactly, people like North Korea can be considered as a perfect example to this but those people have no choice since Kim has strong military forces so people have to obey the orders or they should being some kind of protest if those people are really interest in change but I doubt they do.

Most people have the same hope. Especially people who experienced war are the strongest pacifist. But so far in human history there has never been a long period of time where there was no war around the world. Different religions, countries and races will always lead to tension in politics and until we all can agree to soften those tension peacefully there will be war.

Even in economic terms everyone know wars destroy value. But for a small group of people such wars are there to increase their personal wealth. We have seen in Syria and Iraq how a few companies profit on the life's of the innocent. While the overall population suffers.

I really hope there will be no more war in the future

I think the North Korea is one of the country about what you just mentioned, the government of North Korea is so evil where they prefer to buy guns, ammo and especially bombs than to buy food to their citizens. The poverty in North Korea is too high where there are a lot of families thatnare hungry because of the incompetency of their leader which is Kim Jong Un who keep focusing on war and ignorance. Their government should focus on  spending on foods for their citizens than to spend it in bombs and guns.

Imagine a country is getting ruled by someone who never care about their people, he just collects most of everyone's earning as tax so people are going to struggle for their entire life time in that situation people will think that costing few hundred lives to save millions of people entirely from this hell life.

By a misunderstanding, it means a battle between knowledge and ignorance.
The battle of gaining knowledge and conquers the ignorance of the mind Some mortals fight to be separated from him Ignorance is the explanation for war Ignorant people are usually unable to know many things they are going consistent with their own opinion.

All of that goes back to the nature of greed, arrogance, strength of a person or country that is never satisfied to enrich themselves. war itself will occur because there is a beginning to create problems that cause misunderstandings with each other, the inequalities of each country will always be there, because these inequalities can enhance each other's economies to build cooperation with others in any field.

We have different ideology about war. Like what you have said, others are believing that it can bring peace.

And some, don't believe that it's the only way to bring peace. Because with wars, it brings casualties, collateral damages, deaths, starvation and other bad experiences that will bring to the people that are actually on the ground.

If people avoid discussing about politics then it is easier for the leaders to execute anything what they wanted and most of the time it will be done for their benefits not for ours.And in democracy it is necessary to know all the things happening around us.Sometimes wars can bring peace to us but not in the modern economic world because here everyone can go anywhere and do what they want if they are capable of.

wealth inequality always existed and will always exist

I wouldn't get into politics for the discussion but we can start living peacefully through our homes and with our lives. The way you handle complicated things will help you to maintain that peace which shall not be gone in hard times when they come.

IMHO, to cause war is not to cause peace, if there's always a war, peace is hard to find. But abandoning mass weapons? no strong country will do that.

Your words are beautiful but dreamy words, the reality is very different. People from the time of Plato's time have tried to build a utopia, but no one from that time until now has been able to do that and I do not think that anyone will be able in the future either.
Money and sovereignty are the cause of all these wars. In one country you see people fighting for the sake of the country’s sovereignty, and you see different countries fighting for each other’s control, politicians fighting and poor people who pay the price with death, hunger and ignorance.
I think the problem is much more complex and cannot be solved by a few beautiful but dreamy words. Even the prophets tried to prevent people from wars and fighting but they only succeeded for a short time and after their death their people returned to wars again.

i'm not sure if bible will help. it will only make things worse as it did it the past. even today the high priest in our country are encouraging to revolt to our government, how is that for someone who believes in Jesus while they travel to a far city when the sun comes down to visit a strippers club.

nothing makes this world better even if the government provides free electricity and free water. there is just no satisfaction, we even want 4 wives and wants 7 virgins when we die.

We are not moving in this direction for two reasons:
1. Some people don't want to move in this direction;
2. Some people like this direction only if they can be the boss of everybody else.


Seems to me that it is when people are united that there is trouble. Why? Because everybody thinks at least a little differently than everybody else. This means that "united" only means being united physically. When other people who think differently than you, get too close to you physically, there is irritation that can flare into hostilities.



Actually, there is only one way for this to happen. People need to follow the Holy Spirit, Who Jesus sent to bring people to Him, until He returns in power. Why the Holy Spirit? Because He is the only One Who can read the minds and hearts of all people, so that He can direct them properly.

A second way might be for everybody to be hooked into his own neural net, all of which are attached to a super AI computer, which can direct the world  by integrating the thoughts of all people in the best way. But this is such a faraway fantasy, that there really is no reason to consider it. Besides, if the AI has corrupt ambitions, the people will be corrupted.

The only real way is to get into the Bible, get to church, learn to believe in the coming New Kingdom of God, and be saved by Jesus.

there is no such thing as utopian harmony

there is either segregating the different ideologies or forcing everyone to have the same ideology. and even those can cause conflict

each person is unique. some want to just do as they please. do as little themselves but gain the most for themselves
then there are those that like to do alot of work but not ask for much in return

there are some that only think for themselves vs those that think about others.
there are those that want a quiet country life vs those that want a busy gossipy urban life

those that want a better world for everyone and those that want a better world for just themselves

politically you can say its the capitalists vs socialists
commonly you can say its the selfish vs the empathetic

even if you divided the planet in half. the capitalist/selfish ones would want to invade the socialist/empathetic half

trying to make selfish people more empathetic or trying to make empathetic more selfish is a task in of itself that causes infighting even amungst their co-group members

EG if a pre selfish person becomes 20% empathetic. a neighbour thats still 100% selfish would take advantage and never return the lawnmower he asked to borrow

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in short no solution

The true nature of human beings are evil, there will be no peace in our society if the leaders of our nation are focusing on war and chaos. Right now, that dream is seems impossible because most of strong nation have now weapon of mass destruction or what they called nuclear bomb. Many people say that there will be no peace if there is no war, I do not think war is only the option to have peace. If we will abandon all the weapon of mass destruction, peace will come to all of nations.

I completely agree that you always need to start with yourself first, always focus on what you do or don't do yourself.
And, if possible, help other people wake up.

Well, I agree somehow with "economic development is supported by investment in weapons".
I believe first world economies are so advanced mainly due to their hardworking capacity, educational level and technology achieved. Then weapons investment is a need, as they have to protect themselves from other nations which may try to destroy or steal everything they made so far. Without investment in weapons these countries would be too fragile, without any support.

Since the beginning it was like that. Advanced cultures were raided by barbarians who couldn't develop through an intelligent way. Then weapons, walls, war machines were needed to preserve their cultures and their people.

For some communities that are from from urban living, harmony is happening. There's a system that we've been following and the people who are wealthy which are in the form of oligarchs, the ones who don't want to make this happen.

It's a dream for us who have been living with this for a long time and I admire those communities that are being looked down, yet, they are the most welcoming communities or tribes that are living in peace together with other people.

or World War Z which everyone can turn into zombie when infected by coronavirus.  

there may be a president that will one day have the realization that one way or another we're all going to die. so lets do it and maybe the tiny population that is left will make this world a better place.

or it could struck us later that the truth is always going to be stranger and countries that has walls will see that it has no purpose anymore because China had built the longest road from china to Europe and back to unite us all.

Wars have been and will be. To say that someday it will stop is utopia. What are they for? It's simple, it's a profitable business. Most developed countries spend the most money on weapons, maintenance, and the development of weapons. Economic development is supported by investment in weapons. Since the demand for war has always been and will be. And of course, this is decided not by ordinary people, but by big politics. The scary thing is that someday if the wars do not stop, the planet will simply forget about humanity.

I believe wars aren't happening for inequality reasons, but for envy reasons.
A hardworking country which achieved its development and success will get undesirable attention from other countries which live in worse conditions. Instead of working and developing themselves by their own merit, these envious countries' rulers try to destroy the most advanced ones, so everyone can be *equal*, living miserably in ignorance. That is what we can call chaos or shadows, also very well portrayed even in fantasy movies.

I really can move on this direction, but what is the point in doing this if others aren't? I can speak for myself, but not for others.
And by doing this, I will be exposing myself too much to the malicious people who don't want to move this way, consequently I will be exposing the ones I love and putting them in risk as well.

Then weapons, guns, ammo are necessary to protect the good side of the world we want to preserve from the evil forces who don't want to walk towards this harmonic direction you talk about.

Sooner or later we will come to such a model, or to its semblance. It is too early to talk about this now, since we live in a world of wrong values. We live in a world of private property and personal gain. Everyone thinks only of himself, but not of others. These are our values. Therefore, what you are talking about is impossible, for this you need to change people's thinking.
When each person thinks that he will not survive without other people and that he is alive thanks to them, then something may change. But to come to this thinking we will have to go through a lot of shocks.

Don't be so sure. The world would have to unite to fight a greater threat for it to happen, but it's a possibility. It doesn't have to be some kind of alien attack, but a comet or some big natural disaster. Right now people are focused on showing off and flexing their muscles but this state of matter can change in an instant.

its a dreamer's dream. it will never happen because we've already produced a lot of ammo for the war. lets rumble already.

there has to be war to make peace. or there has to be an alien invasion before we can unite the 4 corners on this world and only then we can send just 2 native persons from Inuit tribe like adam and eve to an empty planet to colonize it and only then that family can restart. lets exclude ourselves to that new peaceful world we are already corrupted and all bad eggs.

It's very hard to wake up. In order to wake up, you first need to realize that a person is sleeping, but we are not aware of this. Therefore, all people are in a dormant state.
So it should be, if things could be different - they would be. Start with yourself, this is the only thing you can do in the current situation.

Currently we have some economic system which is mainly based on the wealth inequality, if everyone in the world are united and have equal amount of wealth then the system will get collapsed.Wars are happening due to the inequality as well, if a country don't have some resource then they will make war with other country and will steal their resource which is not new this is been followed since human kind born.

If we are all interested in harmony everywhere (with nature, with other people), so that we are all as one (different, but like brothers and sisters to each other), then why are we not moving in this direction?

If all people are united, there will be no shortage of anything. It will be beneficial for me that people around me live well. Even, for example, a bandit or a swindler will benefit from it, because he will be able to apply his skills in a slightly different direction, and people will love him for the fact that now he helps everyone. Don't we all want this?

But you need to "wake up" for this (at least some large part of society). If you woke up, if you don't see the point in aggression and ignorance, then show people by your example how great it is to live in harmony with yourself and with the world around you. Over time, people will see this and will also become more sane. This is just a small effort that can change the world! And it all depends on each of us! Bring goodness to this world, this is the only real value!