What is the real use for neutral feedback?

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Quote from: dkbit98 on March 24, 2020, 12:18:35 AM

When I ask you not to quote me please, and you continue to do it repeatedly and wake me up with notifications, you act as dick.

You have no right to ask anyone not to quote you, if you don't want to be quoted, maybe stop posting. The word " repeatedly" is a lie, I only replied to your attack ONCE "repeatedly" can't be used for a one-time action, I assume someone who criticizes the use of the word "seldom" should know better and then you placed the feedback after my ONE reply to your attack.

Quote from: The Cryptovator on March 24, 2020, 12:30:13 AM

Guys please stop arguments now. Since @dkbit98 said the neutral feedback is just for temporary to make you aware about,

~~He is making that up, read my reply to his false claim, if you don't believe me, ask him to show you the evidence.~~

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so I think both of you should calm now.

I am calm, @dkbit98 needs to do 100 times what he did to slightly move me.

Locking this thread, if @dkbit98 wants me to unlock it he could ask via PM, or he may start his own thread of which I will most likely not participate in unless the quarantine boredom gets the best of me.

Edit:

There is a chance that @dkbit98 actually deleted the feedback even before being notified about this topic, and thus this statement of mine might be rather inaccurate.

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I quoted you once to reply to your attack and you "excused" yourself to send me a feedback, I quote you a dozen times, and you deleted it.

He might really did put that feedback to notify me, although I still think that was a wrong way of using the trust system, there are many other ways of notifying me about it, in fact, he doesn't even need to notify me about anything, I also still think he was aggressive attacking me for my opinion, but this seems like his way of doing things and it was nothing personal, and thus I shouldn't take it personally.

Maybe I overreacted because of his defensive attitude, but this is the internet, he might be trying to tell me something different from what I actually understand.

So I shall call this a misunderstanding, and case closed.

Apology for all the inconvenience I might have caused to anyone.

Stay safe.

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Guys please stop arguments now. Since @dkbit98 said the neutral feedback is just for temporary to make you aware about, so I think both of you should calm now. More and more arguments would create more drama. This feedback isn't exactly trust abuse (IMO), on the other hand this isn't a good practice & move by a DT member. Ignorance could be aware by reply on the thread like "ignored". Not necessary to leave neutral feedback for that.

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When I ask you not to quote me please, and you continue to do it repeatedly and wake me up with notifications, you act as dick.
And for that I wrote temp neutral feedback, and that is not a mistake.
I am not God and I make other mistakes, neutral feedback is not one of them.
None of the feedback is permanent and until I die I can change them.

I don't care about DT status and I never asked for it.

cheers

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Quote from: dkbit98 on March 23, 2020, 11:59:17 PM

Better rename this topic to Remove dkbit98 from DT members
Looks like you have wrong title.

Honestly, even if my exclusion was to take you out of DT - I wouldn't do it, there is an easier and a shorter route, which you admit your mistakes, try to avoid them in the future and most importantly build a thick skin, you could not take criticism from another member let alone dealing with all the scammers.

if you want to be on DT you must be open to opinions and discussions, I have criticized DT members who have been here probably before you and I heard about Bitcoin, and I have never seen someone who is so aggressive like yourself.

To me this probably the maximum amount of time and efforts I can invest talking about the broken trust system, I was a DT1 member long before you, I asked to be blacklisted from it, not because of scammers, but because of members like you who abuse the trust system, so maybe chill out, accept criticism and you won't have to waste your time on topics like this again.

Cheers and good luck.

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Quote from: mikeywith on March 23, 2020, 11:51:23 PM

Exactly my point, it's the content that matters not the type of feedback in most cases, calling someone a scammer or untrustworthy in green or black font color does not differ much from red, therefore, it makes no sense to say that "oh it's neutral, never mind it".

I'm not itching to do an experiment but I'm quite certain if someone posted "Great member, totally not a scammer" in red it wouldn't be perceived as positive by most users.

At the end of the day stupid ratings reflect poorly on the sender, not the receiver. So I stand by "it's a neutral, who cares", even if it's a stupid neutral.

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Better rename this topic to Remove dkbit98 from DT members
Looks like you have wrong title.
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Quote from: suchmoon on March 23, 2020, 11:40:20 PM

You can post red trust worded positively or vice versa - how would you say that would affect potential dealings?

Exactly my point, it's the content that matters not the type of feedback in most cases, calling someone a scammer or untrustworthy in green or black font color does not differ much from red, therefore, it makes no sense to say that "oh it's neutral, never mind it".

I am on the same page with you for most of the other points, I still find it amusing how a member like say Lauda who left thousands of negatives got voted out of DT because of some mistakes, and a fairly new member to DT like dkbit98 who probably makes 1 good call and 2 bad once can still be a DT member.
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Quote from: suchmoon on March 23, 2020, 11:40:20 PM

I think this whole shitshow called the trust system would improve massively if we used more sticky notes

Agreed 100%
You know I asked this many many times, even in bpip extension with my private feedback

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Quote from: yahoo62278 on March 23, 2020, 11:23:30 PM

Neutral feedbacks left by a DT are still listed on the top of someones feedback wall. My take on it is you're not calling the person a scammer, but you are still warning/advising users to use caution when trading/dealing with the user who has the neutral.

Neutrals can be "soft positives" too. For example if you have a successful trade with someone but you didn't risk anything (e.g. the other party went first).

I think this whole shitshow called the trust system would improve massively if we used more sticky notes and less "I think you're lying so here's red for you" or "you repaid a $0.58 loan so here's +1". Maybe theymos could implement some pastel backgrounds to make them more attractive.

Quote from: mikeywith on March 23, 2020, 11:32:39 PM

If you can leave me a neutral saying whatever you want, then you should also be allowed to leave me a neutral saying " HE STOLE MY MONEY, SCAMMER", and you can argue that it's doesn't matter because it's italicized and not red and that it shouldn't affect my "potential" dealings on the forum because it's not in red?

Obviously if I leave a lot of BS neutrals I can get kicked out of DT just like for any other abuse. I got attacked for a relatively benign neutral rating on Quicksy's alt as if it was some fucking Jedi mind trick. So yeah it all comes with a price but it's still not the same as -1 or +1. You can post red trust worded positively or vice versa - how would you say that would affect potential dealings?

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Quote from: suchmoon on March 23, 2020, 11:21:36 PM

That's literally what it says on the trust page: "Other comments."

Granted a note saying that you're on someone's ignore list seems meaningless without explanation but it's a neutral... who cares.

You almost convinced me, but then I remembered that

Quote from: yahoo62278 on March 23, 2020, 11:23:30 PM

Neutral feedbacks left by a DT are still listed on the top of someone's feedback wall.

Feedback from DT members appear to everyone who has DefaultTrust in their inclusion (That's like the majority of members), neutral feedback is nothing but
1. a positive italicized feedback.
2. a negative italicizedfeedback.

If you can leave me a neutral saying whatever you want, then you should also be allowed to leave me a neutral saying " HE STOLE MY MONEY, SCAMMER", and you can argue that it's doesn't matter because it's italicized and not red and that it shouldn't affect my "potential" dealings on the forum because it's not in red?

Quote from: dkbit98 on March 23, 2020, 11:24:53 PM

This is 'seldom' use of mike neutral feedback.
I now know that he is a liar or he don't know the meaning of english word seldom.

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seldom[ sel-duhm ]SHOW IPA
adverb:
on only a few occasions; rarely; infrequently; not often:
We seldom see our old neighbors anymore.
adjective
rare; infrequent.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/seldom

If it's not always, and not never, it can be seldom, since you seem to have all the time in the world to dig my sent feedback, what is the ratio of neutral to negative/feedback I sent? it can't be described by any word by "seldom", although I admit my English is far from perfect but at least I know how to use the trust system:

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Obviously my feedback for him was just temporary to let him know he is ignored,

You keep proving yourself unworthy of being a DT member, let's keep this as a reference to be added to your future wrongdoings and to those who include you in their trust list.

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He is having boring quarantine time for sure Tongue

Indeed, sadly.

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Quote from: suchmoon on March 23, 2020, 11:21:36 PM

Yes. That's literally what it says on the trust page: "Other comments."

Granted a note saying that you're on someone's ignore list seems meaningless without explanation but it's a neutral... who cares.

Mostly, many of them do care about it if it's from someone in default trust network.

Quote from: suchmoon on March 23, 2020, 11:21:36 PM

You can vote against it with "~".

Thanks for the advice though.

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This is 'seldom' use of mike neutral feedback.
I don't know if he is a liar or he don't know the meaning of english word seldom.

Looks like he is neutral feedback expert, so I will learn from him.
I know nothing and I have thin skin.

Obviously my feedback for him was just temporary to let him know he is ignored,
as I don't want to talk with him and waste time.
He is having boring quarantine time for sure Tongue

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Neutral feedbacks left by a DT are still listed on the top of someones feedback wall. My take on it is you're not calling the person a scammer, but you are still warning/advising users to use caution when trading/dealing with the user who has the neutral.

Really no point in putting a neutral on someone to say they're on my ignore list. Seems a bit silly, but it is what it is.

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Quote from: mikeywith on March 23, 2020, 10:37:41 PM

sticky notes

Yes. That's literally what it says on the trust page: "Other comments."

Granted a note saying that you're on someone's ignore list seems meaningless without explanation but it's a neutral... who cares.

Quote from: hacker1001101001 on March 23, 2020, 11:10:47 PM

Logically, it's not intended to be used as a sticky note and if everyone or mostly DTs use it around as a note than user's trust wall's here would be one of the rarely visited pages due to extrem amount of BS. Also there are more better option to add a note to a person with other 3rd party applications, as anyone assigning or noting it doesn't need to make it that public.

You can vote against it with "~".

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Logically, it's not intended to be used as a sticky note and if everyone or mostly DTs use it around as a note than user's trust wall's here would be one of the rarely visited pages due to extrem amount of BS. Also there are more better option to add a note to a person with other 3rd party applications, as anyone assigning or noting it doesn't need to make it that public.

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dkbit98 got mad:

Quote from: dkbit98 on March 23, 2020, 09:38:31 PM

Why the f. you tag and quote me, and dig-up this topic?
Did you fill up your chipmixer signature quote.... good for you.
I don't care much about your opinion dude so don't quote me again please.
Thanks

And then used his sticky notes on my trust page.

He seem to be very thin skinned DT and doesn't seem to suit there too. My polite and friendly replies to him were turned into back attacks by him, without even my notice.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.54083420

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Go hack yourself please, and cover yourself with a blanket after.
It's embarrassing...

I didn't even got a laughter though.

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I seldom use neutral feedback, and I admit that I might not be well aware of their "real" use, are they meant for feedback that reflects trust or are they actually "sticky notes"?

dkbit98 left me a neutral feedback states the following:

I must make clear that I have no issue with the said member putting me on his "ignore list", but I got inspired by the way he did that, which might actually answer my question above, neutral feedback may very well work like sticky notes. Roll Eyes

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I think it takes some getting used to because dkbit98 seems to actually know how to use the feedback as his own sticky notes (except for that fact that they are a bit too public), in fact, the reason he sent me the ~~sticky note~~ feedback is that I pointed out his wrong action in that particular case where he left neutral feedback (changed from negative) for a newbie who said.

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I mentioned that the accused member does not deserve even neutral feedback for expressing his opinion:

Quote from: mikeywith on March 23, 2020, 09:33:33 PM

Quote from: dkbit98 on February 21, 2020, 06:14:35 AM

or ~KiD~ can just continue to use his other accounts in this forum

But that does not guarantee that you won't tag him again when and if he has an opinion which you consider wrong, be it wrong or not.

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You are just a fake newbie, and you are not being persecuted, just NOT trusted by me.

Does that mean you trust everyone else whom you have not tagged? It is safe to assume that 99% of forum members don't trust 99% of other forum members, this does not give them the right to tag everyone they feel they can't trust.

IMO, even your neutral feedback is invalid, with all due respect, being a forum member I don't really care who don't you trust, I care about who is a proven scammer or at least has a very high chance of scamming, the rest is rather your 'well respected' personal opinions that shouldn't be on anyone's feedback page.

dkbit98 got mad:

Quote from: dkbit98 on March 23, 2020, 09:38:31 PM

Why the f. you tag and quote me, and dig-up this topic?
Did you fill up your chipmixer signature quote.... good for you.
I don't care much about your opinion dude so don't quote me again please.
Thanks

And then used his sticky notes on my trust page.

Now let us all try to reach consensus on this, apparently, if it's okay for dkbit98 to utilize neutral feedbacks as his sticky notes, we all should make use of that great forum functionality. Roll Eyes

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