Topic: What ISIS Really Wants (Read 1224 times)

They are nutjob idiots butthurt that they cannot be successful in the civilized world.

A tax, even a 99 cent tax, means voluntary submission to God, which is the exact meaning of islam. Why should anyone, including atheists, be paying for someone else's belief? Does that sound awesome to you?



Question:

Does Islam require people of other faiths to pay money to support the Muslim religion?

Summary Answer:

Absolutely.  Muhammad very clearly established that people of other religions have to pay a poll tax to Muslims called the jizya as a reminder of their inferior status.  This abrogates an earlier verse stating that there is "no compulsion in religion" and destroys any pretense that Islam is merely a religion and not a political system.


The Qur'an:

Qur'an (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."


From the Hadith:
 
Muslim (19:4294) - There are many places in the hadith where Muhammad tells his followers to demand the jizya of non-believers.  Here he lays down the rule that it is to be extorted by force: "If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah's help and fight them"
 
Bukhari (53:386) - The command for Muslims to spread Islamic rule by force, subjugating others until they either convert to Islam or pay money, is eternal: Our Prophet, the Messenger of our Lord, has ordered us to fight you till you worship Allah Alone or give Jizya (i.e. tribute); and our Prophet has informed us that our Lord says:-- "Whoever amongst us is killed (i.e. martyred), shall go to Paradise to lead such a luxurious life as he has never seen, and whoever amongst us remain alive, shall become your master."  This is being recounted during the reign of Umar, Muhammad's companion and the second caliph who sent conquering armies into non-Muslim Persian and Christian lands (after Muhammad's death).
 
Ishaq 956 & 962 - "He who withholds the Jizya is an enemy of Allah and His apostle."  The words of Muhammad.


Additional Notes:

According to the esteemed historian Ibn Kathir, Muhammad established the jizya as a means of compensating the "converted" Meccans for their loss of revenue following the total ban of other religions from the Kaaba.  This ended the centuries-old tradition of pilgrimages by people of all faiths during the holy months, on which the local economy depended:
Allah, most high, ordered the believers to prohibit the disbelievers from entering or coming near the sacred mosque.  On that, [Muhammad's home tribe of]Quraysh thought that this would reduce their profits from trade.  Therefore, Allah, most high, compensated them and ordered them to fight the people of the Book until the embrace Islam or pay the jizya.  Ibn Katheir, The Battles of the Prophet, p. 183-184
 
This practice enabled Muhammad and his successors to fund Islamic military expansion and the lifestyle of the religious class through extortion from non-believers.  In 630, the prophet of Islam first marched an army into Christian lands in what came to be known as the "Battle of Tabuk."  In fact, there was no battle because there was no opposing army.  The residents were taken by surprise.  Some were killed, and the survivors were forced to pay protection money to Muhammad.  (Clearly abrogating the previous rule of "no compulsion in religion" that contemporary apologists are so fond of repeating).
 
Only eleven years after Muhammad's death, his companions swept through North Africa, putting to the sword those who would not submit to Islamic rule.  In 643, Tripoli was conquered and the native Christian Berbers were forced to give their wives and children to the Muslims as slaves to satisfy the jizya.
 
This lucrative extortion racket was practiced down through the centuries and was a part of the brutal Ottoman rule over Christians, Jews and others.  The Serbs of Europe were particularly hard hit and often had to hand over their children to satisfy the collector.  The children were then converted to Islam and trained as Jihad warriors for use in foreign campaigns (the so-called Janissaries).


http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/004-jizya.htm

A true islamic state has nothing to do with ISIS. I met alot of muslims, and when u talk with them about their religion and true islamic state meaning, it sounds awesome.
They do allow you to practice your own religion, and they defend you and your rights. The only thing you as a non muslim have extra is a kind of tax that serves to fund all that, and its almost nothing.
Every religion has radical members, ISIS is just one of them, and these types of madness must be eliminated as soon as possible.

Actually who cares what they want? Over the history the only working solution for keeping such guys in bay was the mongolian solution. We should rediscover it.

I think they just want to be loved. Somebody needs to give them a hug.


Yeah great idea. Let's drop a nuke on the White House and Downing street and Israel and North Korea and murder millions of innocent citizens in the process just to get rid of a few terrorists. 

If they really want an Apocalypse, we should give it to them, three or four nukes dropped on them problem solved.

They want what all tyrants want: Their own way by their own rules. They're just using Islam and terrorism to further their political ideology. They're twisted power-hungry gangsters but so is everyone who has ever been in the White House and practically any of the allies.

That is some scary stuff man.  I almost feel like the comic books I read as a kid are coming true or that they served as some sort of inoculation for what would come.  I believe in god but I don't believe in killing people. 

They're nutballs that have been bred and trained in safe areas created by and for the US to have henchmen at the ready to do their bidding in designated hot spots where they have 'business' around the world. This is all in lieu of being able to get the public to send their own to handle this so-called 'business'. You might see these types pop up around the Ukraine-Russia situation for starters but their training started in the middle east in the vacuums created and financed by the US in their former warzones which destabilized this region.

An interesting exposition on ISIS’s apocalyptic vision.




What is the Islamic State?

Where did it come from, and what are its intentions? The simplicity of these questions can be deceiving, and few Western leaders seem to know the answers. In December, The New York Times published confidential comments by Major General Michael K. Nagata, the Special Operations commander for the United States in the Middle East, admitting that he had hardly begun figuring out the Islamic State’s appeal. “We have not defeated the idea,” he said. “We do not even understand the idea.” In the past year, President Obama has referred to the Islamic State, variously, as “not Islamic” and as al-Qaeda’s “jayvee team,” statements that reflected confusion about the group, and may have contributed to significant strategic errors.


http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/