Topic: What makes someone an illegal immigrant? (Read 123 times)

I was aware of dictionary definitions before stating exactly what illegal immigrant is. Anyone who is wise or knows the truth can take advantage of my definition to travel to any country of his/her choice without getting bordered of deportation or being called an "illegal".
By the way, I have given a definition any just country can depend on to solve migration issues

* Definitions from Oxford languages.

Illegal: Contrary to or forbidden by law, especially criminal law

Migrant: A person who moves from one place to another, especially in order to find work or better living conditions

By these definitions, an illegal immigrant is someone who, while moving from one place to another in search of better living conditions unlawfully crosses a country’s border and enters said country.

Regarding the US, because of the kind of government we have, if somebody comes into the US illegally, the only illegal part is when he crosses the border. Once he is inside the US, he is a man or woman just like anybody else. It doesn't matter who in government assumes that he is an illegal alien. If he responds to accusations properly, or forms his own proper paperwork if they don't accuse but only act, he can win... especially if he has legal help.

Of course, if he harms somebody or damages property, he can expect punishment just the same as anyone else.

Once your papers are not in order (or the duration to stay in another country has expired) and you are still within the country's borders, it is assumed you are an illegal immigrant.

The problem with this is that you can't call people who genuinely flee into your country for safety, without papers, illegals. A just law will accommodate such people hence automatically seeing them as legal migrants

They are men and women. They are only illegal aliens during the short time it takes them to cross the actual border line. Once they are in, they are men and women - like they were before they started crossing - and should be treated that way.

There are only two ways in this common law based United States to turn people into illegal aliens once they are in:
1. Convince them that they are so that they admit it;
2. Break the law yourself, and illegally pronounce them illegal aliens... if you have the authority and can get away with it.

The best way is an effective border wall, but it has to be built precisely at the border, on your side. Or you need to make an agreement with the country on the other side of the border, that you can build the wall partly on their side of the border.

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You don't have a civil court case against anyone until you have these 4 things:

Free migration sounds very cool but utopian. Only the laws and regulations governing the status of a foreigner keep people from disadvantaged countries from mass migrating to countries with a high level of living. And a huge influx of population will reduce it very quickly. So first of all, the status of an illegal immigrant and the consequences that it entails are the protection of the country's population.

Well technically it's illegal alien.

They do not have a legal right to be here, when they cross the boarder the activity is against the law, so it's illegal.

It's pretty cut and dry.

The only thing that makes anybody an illegal alien in the US is, when he doesn't properly defend against the accusation that he is an illegal alien.

Stand as a man/woman in court, unrepresented by anyone, even yourself, and maintain the continual question for the judge, prosecutor, and anyone else accusing, "I, man/woman, 'named', require that you show me the harm or damage you think I did to you, and prove that I was the one who did it, with at least one other witness besides yourself."

They can't answer this point, except if the man/woman did damage or harm to the judge, prosecutor, accuser... that can be shown and proven.

If that is your stance throughout court, no matter who you are, you win, except if you did harm or damage that they can show and prove. Why? Because once you are in, you are in. You are no longer an illegal alien. US and State law apply to you.

If they catch you right on the border, and don't immediately repel you back into whatever country you were crossing the border from, but rather drag you into their holding pen, you are in. You might be termed an illegal alien. But as long as you maintain that you are a man/woman only, unrepresented, and requiring that they show what harm or damage you did, you are in.

If the judge or prosecutor ignore your stance, you have the right and duty to file a court case against them requiring an answer to your question of harm or damage, and to sue them if they hinder your right to travel that is protected by the 1st Amendment, when harm or damage isn't shown.

It’s as simple as it seems, an illegal immigrant is somebody who attempts to reside in a country for a significant amount of time without the necessary papers. I know some people are desperately fleeing dangerous countries but it is illegal without government permissions.

bitcoiner should migrate to el salvador asap

I think it should simply be someone who is not qualified to be in a country/society mainly due to the possibility of that person becoming a problem to the country or society.

There should checkpoints for migrants but things like high cost of obtaining a clearance for migration, unnecessary requirements to qualify for a clearance, etc should never limit people from migrating to wherever they want even if they migrate through natural paths. It is not a fair or reasonable method.
By the way, humans tend to admire migratory birds and other animals that tend to migrate long distances, through natural paths but we frown at fellow humans who do thesame, why?

There should be legal checkpoints to screen migrants from any direction and to filter out those who will be problems rather than solutions to the countries they are migrating to