Every 10 minutes the network validates a data block of new transactions, this block is appended to the chain of previous blocks with cryptographic validity rules.
Each of these blocks has a limited maximum size, this in order not to increase the size of the whole blockchain excessively over time. The consequence is that the number of transactions managed by the bitcoin network is extremely low: 7 per second.
If there were not this limit in the protocol, the size of the entire blockchain would grow dramatically and only a few large data servers could afford to install a Bitcoin node. The network would be managed by a few actors who could agree to modify the transactions considering these modifications valid.
Who has the right to make one of the few transactions that the network can validate every 10 minutes?
2. bitcoin has never averaged 7tx/s in a single hour, or day or month.
3. the data limit is not a physical risk aversion limit to hardware or access. we are not in 1999 where dial-up and floppy disks were popular. we are in 2021 where 4tb hard drives and fibre internet are common.
4. the fear of 'data centre' centralisation due to bloat is not a issue(point 3). but lack of archiving peers is a centralising issue. the real fear is not the 'cost of data' but instead due to devs and altnet people trying to convince users that 'pruning' off the blockchain, saying its not important to archive the blocks after validation, meaning to not offer data-seeding(torrent buzzword) to other peers, while pretending their 'node' is a full network support node even without archiving is more likely to cause centralisation of the blockchain sources.
the networks unit of measure in code/data is actually sats which are transacted/stored in blocks. its only at the human visual display of a wallet that shows it in formatted bundled amounts which is where 100,000,000 sats =1btc. at code/technical/data level you will never see a btc in raw transaction data or on the bitcoin blockchain.
its been about 8 years since the last "computer" mined. these days its ASIC devices laymans("special devices" not "computers")
you should have explained it like:
from 2009 the mining reward for each block was 50btc (5,000,000,000sat) plus fees as a bonus, and every 210,000 blocks(roughly 4 years) this reward halves. and by approximately the year 2140 the reward would half repeatedly halved down to nothing. leaving the total btc at ~21million circulation limit.
where fee's become the main/sole income for miners, slowly become more important the closer to 2140 it gets
So if a data written in the blockchain has a certain value, the token (BTC) necessary to be able to write in the blockchain also has a value itself. Bitcoin are a precious trading commodity. This makes bitcoin tokens with a non-zero intrinsic value.
the value of bitcoin is not in the data. transactions dont set the value of bitcoin. because miners still do work even if the block is empty. asic miners dont care if the blocks are filled or not. they never see the blockdata when mining.
the economics of bitcoin value is actually in the asic work performed(electric burned) vs the reward/fee attached. to the block. presently miners see the reward as the main income and the fee's as just a bonus/tip. which will change the closer to year 2140 they get.
if it costs miners more to mine due to mining competition of competing pools and difficulty increases causing the need to have more asics and burn more electric. the miners just refuse to sell their rewards for less than costs. causing bitcoin value to rise to meet/exceed costs. (lack of new coins on market causes a supply/demand economy)
its not a case of asking for more sats per transaction to break even. its a case of asking for more dollars on the market for the limited sats rewarded sats
the mining cost vs market exchange supply demand currently is more important than the fee(bonus/tip)
if there is a over supply of transactions, yes people pay more to outbid each other to rush their transaction in to a block asap. but to attempt to word it that limiting the blocks capacity creates bitcoin value. is misleading and more false attempts to make it look like bitcoin should not scale.
bitcoin can scale and by allowing more transactions, which means more fee's or lower fees for more people
2500tx of $1 or 5000tx of $0.50 is the same miner bonus, but allows more cheaper transactions, also prevents users thinking that the network is being extortionate by limiting scaling on purpose
try white board and permanent marker.. chalk can be wiped off..
Many believe that bitcoin has no intrinsic value. Several people think that bitcoin are digital tokens for their own sake, with no real underlying.
Bitcoin are limited in their maximum number and there will be no more than 21 million, from this point of view they are similar to gold or other rare metals. However, some point out that gold in addition to having a value because it is rare also has real applications (eg. Jewelery and industrial applications) while with a bitcoin you cannot do anything practical, simply mine it or buy it, own it, and possibly resell it or send it to someone else.
Told in this way, it would actually seem that bitcoin is a simple digital precious object for its own sake to which value is attributed only as rare.
But from the perspective of looking at Bitcoin as an immutable database, rather than as a digital currency, it becomes immediately clear what the intrinsic value of bitcoin is:
Through bitcoin you can write access to the most secure blockchain in the world.
What do we mean by “safe”? A blockchain is all the more secure the stronger and stronger and guaranteed the immutability of its data.
From being able to write data on the Bitcoin blockchain we can imagine the most immediate use cases of the network itself that can come to mind:
1. The blockchain as a notarial tool, example: Proof of existence of a digital document or other proofs based on timestamps.
2. Creation of a scarce digital token and therefore of value (bitcoin as a digital substitute for gold), a sort of “store of value”.
3. Use of the bitcoin token as a digital currency capable of functioning in the absence of intermediaries.
Points 2 and 3 are potentially questionable by detractors:
Bitcoin has value as long as there are people who give it value, we do not have a guarantee in the strict sense deriving from its mere being scarce.
Bitcoin as a currency is limited by the limit of 7 transactions per second and by the high cost of fees. (note: this limit may be exceeded in the future by the Lightning network)
Point 1 remains which is indisputably a real use of bitcoin. In this case of use it is possible to carry out proofs of the existence of documents: the blockchain as a notarial tool. Let’s see broadly how a proof of existence of a digital document using bitcoin can work.
gold and bitcoin both have utility so i agree with those aspects, but the value (economic) is in the mining cost.
simple explanation. if gold could be mined in everyones back yard with just a spoon and a coffee filter for $0.50 an ounce. people would happily sell it for $0.51+ where there would be a ceiling where other people wont want to pay more than $2 for the convenience of not getting hands dirty, because anything more then that they might consider mining their own.
golds underlying value is in the acquisition costs. firstly it costs over $900 to mine which sets the baseline value. and then ontop of that value is the speculation of the supply/demand of existing coin and what people are willing to sell it for.
which is why gold bounces between $1100-$1900 in recent years(above base cost value)
bitcoins baseline most efficient mining cost is over $20k so baseline is currently $20k cost with the speculation of market supply and demand above that
A typical Bitcoin transaction provides that bitcoin are sent from address A to address B, paying the miners’ network an F fee. This is the most trivial use case in which we have a simple transfer of value between two addresses. Two different people exchange bitcoin.
However, it is possible to “attach” a short text message to a transaction and the typical way to do this is by using the op_return field.
The situation in this case is that bitcoin are sent from address A to address B, paying the miners’ network a fee F, associating a small text message M to the transaction. In this case, addresses A and B probably belong to the same person. The transaction is aimed at writing the M message into the blockchain.
Message M will indicate the unique computer fingerprint of the file for which you want to prove existence.
The conservation of the document remains your responsibility, but you can prove that this document certainly existed at least from the date of the block (each block has a timestamp) in which the transaction with its imprint was included. Taking an example, this document could contain the description of your idea and the image of your logo “I, John Smith, invented this product with this logo …”. Using bitcoin, you could prove that you had already created that idea and that logo starting from the block date in which you included the file imprint!
You don’t have to send bitcoin to anyone to achieve this, you can make a transaction where you send an insignificant amount between two of your addresses and you only have to pay the correct fee to be included in a block.
The fee obviously must be substantial. Since the space on the blockchain is limited, it is disputed and a not small fee must be paid to be awarded the inclusion in one of the next blocks (if you enter a too small fee, after a while the transaction is rejected and you can try again).
The intrinsic value of bitcoin is that it is a token that allows write access to the most secure data blockchain in the world.
There are already services of this type, I recommend looking for “Proof of existence with bitcoin” with google. A website that already implements all this and performs this service in a user-friendly way is https://opentimestamps.org/
Of course, to date the success of bitcoin and the vast majority of its transactions are due to its purely speculative use (trading in exchanges by thousands of retail investors), and the notarial use of bitcoin represents a minority percentage of transactions, but this proportion does not mean that there is no real underlying!
bitcoins main purpose is the transacting of sats. not really meant for timestamping file hashs. so maybe you dont need this paragraph above included otherwise its advertising something bitcoin users are trying to avoid bitcoin being used for
the sats are the raw asset that are mined at a cost(electric burned for asics)
gold is the raw asset that is mined at a cost(burned diesel for excavators and sluice machines)
We don’t like Bitcoin, we like the blockchain. How many times have you heard this phrase?
Many influential people, interviewed in recent years, have often repeated the mantra: we don’t care about bitcoin, but we have an interest in the underlying technology, the “blockchain”. It is often repeated for one or more of the following reasons:
- Simple ignorance and / or distrust of what is not known well.
- Use of yet another buzzword (the ‘blockchain’) to seem cool. Pure marketing.
- Real bad faith. Given that bitcoin is an open standard (basically it belongs to everyone), one is afraid of not being able to put one’s own software product on the market based on its own proprietary “blokchain”.
bitcoin is not the network for all open data to be timestamped as a file hash. not everyone wants to put their data into bitcoin and bitcoin users dont want everyones random file hash added. bitcoins sole purpose is to move sats from one owner to another. so there actually is good reason people should use different blockchains and not bloat bitcoins purposefully limited data space.
im sorry to say this but you seem very much a pro-data limiter but at the same time a pro-data bloater. your idea's that bitcoins value is in this limited space whilst suggesting that people should put random data into blocks is atrociously misguided, and also seems to stem from the misguided thoughts of what you believe creates the value bitcoin has.
Bitcoin is the most widespread cryptocurrency. Its blockchain is the one with the greatest number of validator nodes (full nodes, which have the entire validated blockchain in memory) and the one with the greatest computing power in the field in validating transactions (mining).
2. validator nodes (pruners/lite wallets) dont archive blockchain after validation
3. miners dont validate transactions. asics have no hard drives. they just create the complex block ID hash.
4. pools are full nodes that have extra scripts to communicate to many miners to give them the blockheader to mine
its not just about archiving the blockchain that provides security. but also the mining complexity.
The sum of the computing power of all the miners (transaction validators) is measured in terms of hash / s to date we are around 150exahash. In terms of energy, the various miners use an amount of electricity equal to that of an entire nation such as Pakistan or Argentina, in order of magnitude we are around 130 terawatt hours.
150exa, with an average asic being 110terrahash = ~1.3m asics
1.36m asics using 3.25kw/h = 4,431,818kwh = 4,432mwh =4.4gwh
4.4gwh=38,823gw/year = 38TW/y
its 38TW a year not 130tw hours
A hostile entity would have to set up a gigantic mining farm, it is difficult to say how many computers would be needed, but we imagine that they should consume more electricity than the whole of Argentina.
1. already explained 'special devices'(asics) not computers
2. well i just mathed it out 51% of 1.36m special devices(asics) = 0.69m special devices
1. a 51% attacker cannot change the rules of bitcoin. fullnodes would just ignore mined blocks that dont meet the rules.
2. a 51% attacker can try to undo existing blocks and take out transactions they dont want in the blockchain.
3. a 51% attacher can ignore adding transactions it doesnt want in new blocks
lets explain (2)
to undo a transaction in a block to be able to refund/re-spend that value after it has confirmed. requires an attacker to go back and make their own block (of the block containing their transaction they want removed). obviously excluding their transaction in the new attempt. and then create subsequent blocks ontop to catch back up and overtake the networks current amount of blocks, to make the attackers chain of blocks the highest amount of blocks. which then makes the attackers chain of blocks the one everyone treats as the one to follow. thus dropping the list of blocks the attacker doesnt want people having.
this comes at a cost because the attacker needs to have more special device power(asics) to make blocks faster than the rest of the network to be able to go back edit and then catch up and overtake.
because even at the most efficient costs of say 4cent/kwh electric. having atleast 0.69m asics at 3.25kwh costs ~$90k an hour in just electric in the cheapest electric region
(note some countries pay $0.32/kwh=$720k in electric (japan))
hardware: 690k asics at $12k each =$8,280,000,000, spread the cost over a year ROI = $22.68m a day= $945k an hour
=$1m an hour hardware and electric for cheapest region ($1.3m for most expensive region)
if it takes ~ 6 blocks(an hour) of the network moving forward, for an attacker to go back 1 block, edit and catch up. that $1m-$1.3m(all inc.) cost means no one is foolish enough to want to attack the network for $1m-$1.3m just to refund his own small transaction of a pizza price.
To change a transaction in the past, the attacker should recalculate all the blocks starting from the affected one of 5 years ago in which the change is made (this change requires a recalculation of all subsequent blocks to make them valid).
He would then have to run his huge mingin farm in silence to recalculate a different but formally valid blockchain and after getting on par with the blocks publish to the rest of the network his new block chain with more work (Proof of work) which would be recognized from within the network as the new valid chain. An enormous energy effort.
The more the total hash rate of the bitcoin network grows, the greater the economic effort required to attack the network and subvert the immutability of data in the bitcoin blockchain.
yep the further back the block they want to start their change from, the more the $1m an hour costs
to go back 5 years, would cost atleast $788M-$3.15BILLION (in electric depending on region)
and the $8,250,000,000 in hardware cost
means $9billion-$12bill to edit blocks from 5 years ago
Does Bitcoin consume too much energy for every single transaction?
Short answer No,
there is no value in a finite resource if people have access to infinite resource elsewhere pretending to be bitcoin2.0
dont be too quick in promoting alternative networks 'contracts' as being guaranteed resistance to attacks. these altnets have no blockchain, no network wide auditing.
the contracts on altnets can be mismanaged and attackers can dupe their contract partners in multiple ways. many people including the developers themselves of alternate networks like LN have lost value.
seems your flip into infinite utility is just the bait and switch to go into full altnet advertising mode.
When they tell you that the validation of bitcoin transactions consumes as much as “an entire nation”, this is a positive thing: it takes just as much energy (extended in the time necessary to rewrite the old blocks) to subvert the data.
The more bitcoin grows in hasrate and in energy consumption, the greater the immutability of its blockchain data. The bitcoin blockchain is the “most indelible” blackboard in the world.
mostly correct but maybe try a different analogy then the repeated use of chalk and blackboards.
But they are not comparable things. VISA can be compared to MASTERCARD or bank transfers but not Bitcoin transactions.
This misunderstanding is also the fault of early Bitcoin fanatics who peddled Bitcoin (with a capital B, layer one, we’ll see later) as a currency. Bitcoin (level one) cannot be a currency but level two can be a bitcoin-based currency system (with a lowercase b, tokens).
Bitcoin is not a currency because it cannot handle a large number of transactions without losing decentralization (see chapter 1).
With the 7 transaction limit imposed by the maximum size of each new block generated every 10 minutes, it cannot be a currency. It could have been in the early years for a niche of users when it was little used.
bitcoin can and is a currency. if it allows transfer of value from one user to another. its a currency.
what you are trying to suggest is due to purposefully limited transaction capacity on the bitcoin network, makes it impossible to be a common currency for 8 billion people to use daily. but thats not to say its not a currency. its just restricted itself from being a common world wide daily use currency.
if two people. decide to swap a bottle of vodka for a helping hand repairing a car, then that bottle and that favour is currency between the two. it does not require everyone on the planet to swap vodka for favours to be deemed currency
what you consider as the common widely accepted daily use currency is called "money"
LN is a separate network that allows multiple blockchains to lock funds and peg their value over to LN.
ketchup is not 'french fry layer 2' just because it can go on french fries.
ketchup is in a different state, different form, offering a different serving then fries.
advertising LN as bitcoin2.0 is doing a disservice to bitcoin by making it sound like bitcoin is obsolete and useless and that LN is the replacement thats better in all ways.
sorry to inform you due to the lack of LN having a blockchain, due to lack of network wide auditing of value transfer, due to more attack vectors with the contracts LN is not as secure as bitcoin. and should not be advertised as bitcoin2.0
best way to explain the relationship is this:
on the bitcoin network users transact value into a joint (co-signed) address that locks the value in a contract. like a 2key bank safety deposit box.
then on the altnet. the 2 people then create a different contract that is not measured in sats or btc. but in a different currency called millsat which is pegged at 1000msat=1sat
the LN network does not send msat to a desired destination like bitcoin does. but instead users partnered together partner with other partners. where they then pass the parcel of each mast contract between each partnership. and when it finally gets to the destination. everyone then determines the payment is made. and they can then update their contract. and then if they want to close out of using LN update the other contract measured in sats by rounding the pegged msat to the nearest sat and singing out the contract that can be used on the bitcoin network
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do not try to mislead people into thinking altnets are bitcoin and all altnet payments are bitcoin transactions. it makes users oblivious to the multitude of risks and lack of independence they actually have when using altnets.
Opening and closing payment channels on the Lightning Network will require a transaction in the Bitcoin blockchain that will consume as much as hundreds of thousands of VISA transactions, but each Lightning Network channel will handle millions of level two bitcoin transactions. Here’s the trick.
Lightning Network will be the true payment network comparable to VISA and other similar systems.
lightning network is an alternate network if people want to peg their bitcoin and play with another network to move value quicker, but this niche has risks and consequences. bitcoin has purposefully been hindered with its developer enticed restrictions to promote other networks.
find a better analogy
Bitcoin (layer one) is not a currency because it cannot handle a large number of transactions without losing decentralization (see chapter 1), but suitably ‘blocked/stopped’ bitcoins (tokens) can be represented on a payment network (layer two) like the Lightning Network, finally making bitcoins a true currency of millions of transactions per second.
2. yes bitcoin has a contract utility that allows it to be a gateway peg for other networks. and those altnets do have some niche and service utility some may want for fast/cheap or controlled payments. also for being alternate data logging. but that does not mean these other networks are making bitcoin a true "money". (as explained bitcoin is a currency already)
3. yes these other altnets are going to become common 'currencies' (money) but people need to be aware the value might be the same matched economic value. but the unit of account(asset/token) is different at the code/technical level.
a australian dollar is not a american dollar even if you call them both dollar
when you can understand the rounding and different contract formats of the bitcoin locks vs the altnet payments. it becomes clearer
Many are concerned that if the value of bitcoin continues to rise, the energy consumption of mining operations will continue to rise.
At first glance it is true:
If the price of Bitcoin increases, new miners will be incentivized to join the network to try to win the new bitcoins that are assigned every 10 minutes to the miner who first validates the new block.
Today a single Bitcoin is trading at around 50,000 $. If the price were to rise to 100,000 $, we should also expect a doubling of the miners competing to grab the new bitcoins and therefore a doubling of the energy consumed.
If the price of bitcoin were to reach 1 million dollars we should expect twenty times more energy consumption, the more it will increase in value and the more it will require energy. Said so it seems a monstrous thing.
This reasoning, however, is wrong because it does not consider two factors:
1. Every four years the new bitcoins assigned for each new block are halved. They were 50 in 2009, they became 25 in 2012, falling to 12.5 in 2016 and they became 6.25 in 2020. In 2024 they will drop to 3.125 and so on, halving every 4 years, tending to zero in the long run.
2. The price of bitcoin will not grow forever (too good to be true). In 2009, at launch, the price was zero, with the first exchanges between pioneering users, the first prices were in the order of cents. In these 12 years, the price has reached, between various ups and downs, 50 thousand dollars each. We are still in the price discovery phase, the unit price will sooner or later stop rising and will settle in a range in which we will no longer have large volatilities of several orders of magnitude (no more x10, x100 ..).
most imagine that 100sat =$1 to allow for 1sat=1cent
this translates to about $1mill / btc
people wont want to make transactions on bitcoin for $25 fee(10sat/byte for 250byte tx) or $250 fee(100sat/byte).
they would prefer a $2.50 fee acceptable cost(250byte at 1sat/byte)
if it costs too much to settle out of an altnet or lock into an altnet. they would just avoid bitcoin altogether and use a different blockchain currency like litecoin to enter and exit LN/sidechains to do their faster payments.
if the price stabilises to double every 2 years. by lets say we deem todays ~$50k per btc(x6.25=) to be this halving's settled value.
using the hourly rate. $50k * 6.25*6= $1,875,000 hourly reward vs $1m-$1.3m hourly cost at 150exa
allowing for hashrate to go upto between 216exa-280exa if hard ware stayed same efficiency
then in 2022=$100k/btc * 6.25 * 6= $3,750,000 hourly reward allowing hashrate to go upto 432exa-560exa
...........2024=$200k/btc * 3.125 * 6= $3,750,000 hourly reward keeping hashrate at/below the 560exa
.......... 2026=$400k/btc * 3.125 * 6= $7,500,000 hourly reward allowing hashrate upto 864exa-1.12zetta
.......... 2028=$800k/btc * 1.5625 * 6= $7,500,000 hourly reward keeping hashrate at/below the 1.12zeta
and then the plateau begins* of miners losing value from the reward and then requiring the transaction fee's to fill the mising value.
.......... *2030=$1.0m/btc * 1.5625 * 6= $15,000,000 hourly reward keeping hashrate upto 2.24zeta
where if bitcoin price cannot exceed $1mill/btc. then miners will need to be compensated if they want to increase the hashrate or even keep the hashrate
this is because miners are expecting a 'double' of reward value but the coin is maxing at $1m. so they need $600k per coin they are not getting which = $2m an hour.
if we stay with jsut ~2500 transactions a block = 15,000 an hour. it would cost each transaction $135 each
no one would want to pay that.
think about it logically if you bank account done wire transfers slowly, but paypal offered a 'instant fast cheap payment system" but required a entry fee of $135 and an exit fee of $135, would people use paypal their bank account linked to paypal at those costs of the bank vaaut setup in and out of paypal. or would they just end up not using the bank(btc), and find a credit union(ltc) to store their funds outside of paypal and then move daily use amounts into paypal at $1 a entry/exit
this is why bitcoins transaction count needs to increase before the next decade to allow 10x or 100x more transaction onchain
If, despite what we have seen, the energy consumption of bitcoin mining was not considered acceptable, would it make sense to completely ban bitcoin mining? No, it would be enough to limit it: bitcoin would still work.
A false myth is that with the increase in the value of bitcoins and with the increase in its use, it is necessary to have an increase in the computing power spent in the proof of work algorithm of bitcoin mining.
It is more correct to say that with the increase in the value of bitcoin, energy consumption tends to increase but it is not mandatory that it increases from the point of view of the functioning of the bitcoin network.
Without external intervention it tends to increase because with the increase in the value of bitcoin, a greater number of new subjects are encouraged to join mining due to the increasing revenues deriving from the sale of bitcoins obtained from it. Obviously, in addition to new potential miners who are added, we also have the same subjects already present that increase the number of their computers involved.
That said, such a trend may simply be limited to pleasure. To do this, it would be sufficient to apply an extra tax to the electricity sold to industries dedicated to mining.
States could set a certain maximum annual quota of sellable energy to this sector.
what you will find is that from 2014, big bitcoin mining farms have already had good contract 'quota' system with electric plants. mining farms buy allotments of gw from what power plants call their 'excess production quota' which is a separate allotment they sell to the residential and industry markets, this helps power plants get paid for electric usually not utilised thus allowing power companies to invest in more upgrades.
most of the 'bans' are not ban and never see again. instead they are legally stop 'open use' to then have the legal power to offer licence/permit/ restricted use. because they cant just offer licences for things that have no restriction in the first place. so legally they have to prohibit it first to then have some control/power on how they can then regulate/permit its use.
This kill two birds with one stone: the bitcoin network would preserved and its energy consumption would be limited in a clear manner and with economic returns for the community.
again this has already been a known thing thats already been done since 2014 with the big mining farms. but not as a state tax, but instead a bonus for power companies selling their 'excess' production that usually goes to waste
That total mining power could also decrease and everything would continue to work the same. The total computing power required is not a function of the value or diffusion of bitcoin but is a function of the difficulty of mining, a parameter that the network automatically adjusts.
To validate a block of transactions (simplifying) you need to solve a mathematical problem. It is the object of contention in the "competition" between all the miners in the world. The first one who solves this mathematical problem can queue the validated block to the blockchain and assign himself the new bitcoins generated (and those attached as transaction fees included in the block).
The more miners there are, the more computing power is deployed and the mathematical problem tends to be solved in less than 10 minutes.
With a self-regulation system, the network increases the difficulty coefficient of this problem if the blocks tend to be solved in less than 10 minutes in order to bring the average generation time of a new block back to the desired value of exactly 10 minutes. If the blocks, on the other hand, tend to be solved in more than 10 minutes, the network automatically lowers this coefficient of difficulty.
If the number of miners dropped, the difficulty coefficient would also drop, and the network would continue to run smoothly, simply consuming less. This also with an increase in the value of bitcoin.
if btc peaks and flattens at $1m a coin.. but the reward is 0.78125
then excludling any TX fee bonus. it means the hashrate/difficulty drops to $781k a block to attack. so again fee's become important to keep mining rates and difficulty UP. meaning to prevent fee's costing more due to limited tx capacity, the tx capacity needs to increase. otherwise less people will use bitcoin. which means less people running full nodes and less hobby miners trying to get small income from mining because the fee to move their funds will kill their spendable amount left over.
if transaction fees increase in the number of sats.. this does not have anything to do with the dollar valuation of more sats(wont cause market price changes). it just means people making transactions spend more sats to make transactions.
leaving them with les spendable sats. thus turns into a tax. where instead of 1% tax it turns into 10% tax 50% tax eating into and taking away from their spendable sats
meaning if people think an acceptable fee is like 1% of value. instead of sending $250 with a $2.50 fee(250sat fee at $1/100sat) if the fee ends up being say 13500sat/tx($135 fee) people wont want to use bitcoin for transactions anything less than $13.5k.. which rules out people using bitcoin for their monthly wage amount. and definitely wont use bitcoin to lock up weekly spend amounts to play on altnets.
instead they will put their wages into altcoins like LTC and then move weekly amounts into altnet like LN and just avoid bitcoin entirely.
i hope you can start to picture the dynamics/scenarios of what will happen if devs continue to hinder bitcoin growth simply to advertise altnets which other altcoins can also peg to
China and a few other totalitarian and undemocratic nations have banned Bitcoin.
They practically banned the use of a database: in China if you want to write data on the Bitcoin blockchain you can't do it.
Seen in these terms it is an absolutely absurd ban, the detractors who would like to ban Bitcoin in practice would like to ban a database, does it seem reasonable to you to ban?
all countries will at somepoint do a 'prohibition' era of bitcoin. prohibition of a open utility is always needed to then gain the government control to then offer permits/licences/regulations.
check out america's NY bitlicence.
in 1900's anyone could drink alcohol at any age or take morphine for anything. it was then prohibited, and then governments allowed it under certain licence/permit (age restriction, volume consumed restriction, how and where it can be consumed)
in the 1900's of motor vehicles anyone could drive ant any speed in any direction along the dirt paths. so they temporarily prohibited it to then offer driving licences and rules for driving.
in the 2010's people could test drive automated (driverless cars) then it was quickly prohibited and now only permitted under certain conditions of safety standards
dont think that a countries 'ban' is the end of the story. think of it as chapter one of regulating and licencing fiat businesses to interact with bitcoin in the future while regulating the use to ensure its not abused