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Quote from: MarpleTrading on September 17, 2013, 03:22:54 AM

Quote from: Kluge on September 17, 2013, 03:15:59 AM

The input is unconfirmed.

This is the real culprit: https://blockchain.info/tx/3587656d648934405ae587c6f9ef985729c4bf66cca96eea64ffccd62db4f7cc

You're trying to spend the .185BTC which came out of that no-fee transaction and will need to wait until it's confirmed or it drops out of queue.

Solution: Quit being unwittingly cheap.

I expect that when I send money using the top menu entry to do so, the program is smart enough to give me at least the possibility to add a fee, which it didn't.

But you were using blockchain.info, a third party web client. If you have comments for that site, please contact that site's owner

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Quote from: MarpleTrading on September 17, 2013, 03:22:54 AM

I expect that when I send money using the top menu entry to do so, the program is smart enough to give me at least the possibility to add a fee, which it didn't.

So when the coins came back I sent 0.01 BTC to see if I overlooked something and had a possibility to add the fee, which I had not. Only then I found the send special menu item which allowed me to add a fee. I used that to send 0.1983 + 0.002 fee. But why should now a transaction with a fee be combined with one without a fee and combined with one without a fee and treated as if no fee is added.

If BTC want to be a mainstream currency system these things have to change.

It's just the way bitcoin works. You need to wait for the "change" from your first transaction before the second transaction can be sent. So basically, your second transaction is stuck in a queue behind your first one.

You're right about the "special menu" on blockchain.info, they should make it more obvious. You're certainly not the first person to make this mistake using that site.

Don't worry, it'll all go through soon enough. Live and learn.

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Quote from: MarpleTrading on September 17, 2013, 03:22:54 AM

Quote from: Kluge on September 17, 2013, 03:15:59 AM

The input is unconfirmed.

This is the real culprit: https://blockchain.info/tx/3587656d648934405ae587c6f9ef985729c4bf66cca96eea64ffccd62db4f7cc

You're trying to spend the .185BTC which came out of that no-fee transaction and will need to wait until it's confirmed or it drops out of queue.

Solution: Quit being unwittingly cheap.

I expect that when I send money using the top menu entry to do so, the program is smart enough to give me at least the possibility to add a fee, which it didn't.

So when the coins came back I sent 0.01 BTC to see if I overlooked something and had a possibility to add the fee, which I had not. Only then I found the send special menu item which allowed me to add a fee. I used that to send 0.1983 + 0.002 fee. But why should now a transaction with a fee be combined with one without a fee and combined with one without a fee and treated as if no fee is added.

If BTC want to be a mainstream currency system these things have to change.

Speaking of change - that's why you're having the problem.

1EPHPrzFHZigGXjobKxyArb1iZ9gVS2zS7 contained .195BTC. You sent .01BTC of that. The remaining .185BTC (change) had to be returned to 1EPHPrzFHZigGXjobKxyArb1iZ9gVS2zS7 so you could use it later. This means the .01BTC transaction must be confirmed (or dropped out of the queue) before anything can be done with the remaining BTC. This is necessary to prevent double-spends.

While that looks like a tragic GUI design on blockchain.info's part, it isn't really Bitcoin's problem, since clients/services (except blockchain.info, apparently) will tell you the fee you need for speedy confirmation. (sorry for your time-loss, though)

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Quote from: Kluge on September 17, 2013, 03:15:59 AM

The input is unconfirmed.

This is the real culprit: https://blockchain.info/tx/3587656d648934405ae587c6f9ef985729c4bf66cca96eea64ffccd62db4f7cc

You're trying to spend the .185BTC which came out of that no-fee transaction and will need to wait until it's confirmed or it drops out of queue.

Solution: Quit being unwittingly cheap.

I expect that when I send money using the top menu entry to do so, the program is smart enough to give me at least the possibility to add a fee, which it didn't.

So when the coins came back I sent 0.01 BTC to see if I overlooked something and had a possibility to add the fee, which I had not. Only then I found the send special menu item which allowed me to add a fee. I used that to send 0.1983 + 0.002 fee. But why should now a transaction with a fee be combined with one without a fee and combined with one without a fee and treated as if no fee is added.

If BTC want to be a mainstream currency system these things have to change.

Kluge

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Activity: 1218

Merit: 1015

The input is unconfirmed.

This is the real culprit: https://blockchain.info/tx/3587656d648934405ae587c6f9ef985729c4bf66cca96eea64ffccd62db4f7cc

You're trying to spend the .185BTC which came out of that no-fee transaction and will need to wait until it's confirmed or it drops out of queue.

Solution: Quit being unwittingly cheap.

MarpleTrading

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Last Saturday I sent some BTC to someone via BlockChain.info. There was no fee added, nor a question was asked if I wanted to include some.
Today after almost 60hrs the transaction was cancelled because it didn't get any confirmations.

After having my coins back I resent using the special menu option which allows one to manually add a fee. I added 0.002BTC. Almost an hour has passed and there are still no confirmations. What the f... is going on?

Tx id: aa0cee64e87b9bb41bd9bff9bca787b867d026b64af0bc20697b9ce8a01c2530

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