Topic: What we think is a quality post (Read 622 times)

You are indeed correct.people have defined what quality post means in so many perspective,but to me,a quality post should be able to have the following characteristics:
It should carry some sense of oddity.A quality post should be odd,and not common,it should carry a sense of newness.
A quality post must be able to explain it purpose,and create a sense of  understanding in the reader.
A quality post goes straight to the point.

My own definition of quality posts is messages that influence, enlighten the mind of readers to something new or important but still, a prolonged quality post can be troublesome especially to someone that needs help with his holding or wallet problem.

If you check the content of the thread you will comprehend that I'm not emphasising on merit system or how to earn a merit, i just concentrate on the determinate of a quality thread, because looking forward to the community some people make ambiguous thread and thought is a quality as i stated from the initial thread of this discussion, I'm trying to let us know a post that can likely name or tag a quality post and sub quality standard post which i have denotes some points through some user's suggestions. So really i think you misunderstood my point of discussion via you emphasising that i always made mention of merit a lot.

I think a high-quality post should be informative and useful for many readers, this post should disclose or offer important tips in the field of cryptocurrency or recommendations on this topic, as well as help in solving this or that task.I would also like to note the knowledge of grammar and spelling in a high-quality post)

Like it's often said, quality is better than quantity.... But I think this does not really apply when it comes to writing, quantity some times might be because the user had to go lengthy in explaining the details so to make the reader understand fully the message in the story.

But I still agree that some lengthy posts are sometimes useless and mind bugging to read, most especially when the topic of discussion is something that's been discussed before, maybe over and over again.
The long and short of it is that, the term "quality post" can come either as a long or short post, which ever way one chooses to express him or her self, like the op have said, the post should answer a question, and if it's a question, it should be a sensible one, and in addition, it should be readable and understandable.

Quality post from my perspective is one that is;

1. Problem identified and solution provided
2. Positive to both the poster and the reader
3. Provides perspective or viewpoint for leaders to contribute
4. Have a good topic and the contents are in line with the topic
5. Not only relevant or beneficial to one area but to the entire universe


That is what I consider a Quality post.

You mention merit a lot, but posts that attract a lot of merit and quality posts are not the same things. Merit is subjective, it's essentially a way to signal "I like something about this post", or quite commonly "I agree with this post".

If you think about quality posts as well-written and well-informed posts, then the whole board of Development and Technical discussion would be like 70% quality posts, yet way less than 70% of its posts get merited.

I am sure there should be a full stop somewhere in your sentences. Are there any particular reasons why you choose not to use one?

We doesn't have a specific directions of quality post via length I'm not capitalizing that a quality post most be short or every post that requires short comment is not a quality [No] a long post maybe quality all throughout and it can also maybe not due to syntax errors, but i personally values a post that contribute means to another and it's what i know and also choose as a quality post.

For a novice, a post with content that allows me to learn something is a high-quality post. Perhaps for the elderly in some forums, the same content may have been read many times, but these posts should still appear as an identity to help newcomers solve their puzzles.

Quality post is self explanatory, it composes of the quality that can be useful to the users who can read it, and that the post clearly reaches its target audiences. Quality /= Quantity

A quality post can be long but most of the times are short and concise. Easy to read, and really helpful.

The quality of the post or a thread is depending on the content, some people think that the longer text you share the higher chance the merit but no it's all about the context and if you help the user/s regarding their problem and questions. Every post which is quality deserves to be rewarded of course it depends on the perspective of other people. Every quality post merit will follow.

To make a quality post, one has to be critical or inquisitive because you know something and want to share to know more. you need to know how to ask questions if you have nothing to post. it all depends on the OP. if are so much interested in making good posts. you need to do a little research about the message before putting it out. the post must be informative, articulated, well informed and easy to understand. for me, these are how i judge good post.

Those who write long posts do so to meet the character count of the campaigns they are following. Pay attention to those who are not in the campaign and you will see how short their posts are. I blame campaigns that set their campaign character limit count to 200/250 for posts. It's long and most people don't like reading long posts. It bores the mind. I like where the minimum character count is set at 75 characters. Sometimes the information is given in the first line but the poster goes on to add words to fulfill the requirements.

I think many long post, are knowledgeable that miserable one, two line posts, but for the exception of those copy and paste -plagarise-, or long posts that are against the rules.
 but think differently when it's a reply, I think a short reply to a post can be very knowledgeable answers, and many of my admirers are always given short knowledgeable post and they have a their way in the first five reply of the post, further more before you give merit to a long or short post, read it.

A quality post is a post that does not copy other people's idea.(plagiarism)
A quality post is a post that gives meaning to the thread or topic of discuss.
A quality post makes complete sense to the reader of the post,and gives room for understanding while reading it.
A quality post  is not ambiguous in it words.the writer uses the correct diction so that the readers of the message will not be confused while reading it.

I tend to agree, as long as you contributed something related to the topic as a constructive one and can add further discussions.  Remember that we're not making a blog upon posting, we're in the forum which is a big community that sharing ideas, thoughts, a chance to interact with others as long as you know about the topic or just you are expressing your own ideas freely and should be on the topic.  So there could be no size at all but I don't know how could you express your idea in a short line or a single line.

In forum rules, there was an example of number 1 rules and this is clearly a no quality post.

It makes sense, sometimes I see posts that are relatively long but not meaningful, but instead look short posts, but the meaning is very broad, like a small spicy chili pepper, What's even weirder is that it's taken from the article as if it were theirs, their minds are, in fact, bullshit.

@GeorgeJohn, I actually agree with some of the content of your topic, I'm not arguing, I've seen this kind of thing (short post) but it's meaningful.

Thats correct but some people still don't understand that quality doesn't have to be longspun messages and I have seen a lot of long messages that don't make any sense cause they lack what quality posts ought to have which are proper presentation and good expression so that the readers will understand the person that posts the message.

No. But it is good to always report the post to a merit source here.

Exactly! I’ve seen some short posts that are getting merited because of the value being given to the community. It doesn’t have to be long. Remember that not all long threads or replied can be merited nor short ones. As long your post gives great value to the community even if it’s short, you will likely be merited. But yet again, just post with passion and not for merits. After all, merits are just bonuses.

How lengthy or short your post be doesn't matter if it has no good content. We all have the same goal to learn, educate and make bitcoin to be widely accepted globally. That's why we're here.
The information, been pass in a post is what matters and it counts a lot whether short or length

I can relate to this, looking at some posts I merited when I was still a beginner (that's when I encounter them as I'm reading through the forum), not all I'm that happy with as it's clearer now that those posts didn't merit my meriting based on the knowledge I have now or they didn't merit the number of merits I sent out and also looking at my merit record it's obvious some of my works didn't deserve as much merits as they received.

Some examples are posts of opinions of altcoins been a good investment over Bitcoin, then I wqs more frequent on the altcoin board so such type of posts always came in, in their numbers and then I wasn't a big fan of Bitcoin which I'm regretting currently.

The fact is not all the posts that receive merits get those merits because of their quality, some get because of the users reputation of been a active quality contributor to the forum. Is that a bad time, I won't say it is. Merit shouldn't be a problem for any quality poster, the idea behind the merit system was to stop spammers from ranking up and continuing with their account farming on the forum.

Quality posts as regards to this forum is largely dynamic and subjective;

What appears to me as quality today and gain my merit might appear not quality to me tomorrow: It's all about my mindset at that time, my need or opinion (be it wrong or right) since the poster toed same lane with me, at that particular time it is a quality post.

A lengthy post that is well worded, well punctuated and grammatically appealing can become a quality post to the reader that has fallen in love with the language tone rather than the content (message).

A reply of a user by only dropping a link to the solution of an OP can automatically be the most quality post even if he is not the author of the post in the link.

I drop an opinion, 70% of the thread engagers were against my opinion, just one user came and aligned with me, no matter how long or short, that post will be quality to me.

A post that asks a question that led you to research before reply is automatically a quality post.

There is no way I can narrate my cryptocurrency experience in two lines, and there is no how I can say "Thank you, I really appreciate " in 400 words.

Everyone's benchmarks may be different. They have presumptive reasons regarding the writings of other members. Sometimes it's good for me but not good for you. But we also have the same standard regarding writing, which is not plagiarism. Since applying merit, sometimes I do see some people giving merit to writing that I think is normal. That's natural, so the benchmark of merit as a good post I don't think can be a reference. Each member has their own criteria based on the rules that have been applied in this forum.

As long as the post gives meaning and sense then that's a quality post. Not everyone here is fond of giving a good quality post since most of them are just having a question. But if someone could help someone who's needing some help by answering their questions especially if it's about crypto that involves a complicated task to do then I consider that as a good quality post once they answered the question. Each of us here has their own opinion about the matter of picking a good quality post that deserve some merit. Some may want to help some newbies to while the other's are on a different level of expectations.

I agree as long as the long posts are read and the necessary information is taken within. However, short posts have more tendency to get read than a long post / long article besides they being more informative than the shorter ones.

Not all quality posts get merits. Does that mean that they are not read? All tend to read the last reply of a thread and move on? At times, you may feel a post as a quality one but you might have not had the opportunity to read that. But those who read, might have not seen it as a quality one. So here the quality post is missed by the right person and the post misses a merit?

I'd also say that a quality post is if it sparks a good debate and a solid conversation in the threat. The post itself does not have to be long or full of quality information, but if it's thought-provoking and it triggers numerous comments where ideas are exchanged and experiences are being passed on, that I'd say that is doing a service to this forum.

Seriously have been noticing that same thing there are some post that are not long and are full of informations, and some post are very long and it will endup becoming useless no meaning thing in the post. I don't say all long posts are rubbish and I don't say all short post are meaningful. I believe is even better if you see a long post that's not that meaningful you can award the person merit for the effort put in writing the post and for encouragement you can just make your own comment, you can correct the person and still encourage the person.

The definition of is quality post is quite complicated. Because it varies on our opinions. Since our thoughts wouldn't be the same here with each other the definition of quality posts would be different as well. For me, at least the post should be meaningful somehow. Doesn't matter it's one line or two, but the sentence should carry out some meaningful thoughts that would be helpful somehow for others. High quality and just quality aren't the same. As a merit source, I just look if the post is considered a good post at least. So, if the post isn't spam means good, if the post above good means quality.

It doesn't have to be a whole biography of contribution. Just try to contribute at the best as you can, and no need to skip sleep over a single contribution if it is a reply.
This is a forum, and we all should be relaxed just having conversation/s within a thread.

So far so good, I've also been in such shoe of a low quality poster. But base on my own understanding of what a quality post ethics of this forum is, I've come up with three cognate points to note:

1. In making a quality post, it's either you start a topic or comment on an existing topic, but either of the two your opinion and personal view is more important regarding any post made, therefore your post must have taughts.

2. Some do copy and paste and include the link with a quote in the name of a quality post, such is termed "low quality post" as it is required of you to read, digest and assimilate an article and share your own taught from a different perspective regarding the post, thou copy and paste with link and quote isn't against the forum rules but we need to be constructive and taughtful in our post as such is the recommended standard required by the forum.

3. Either a post is short or long does not matter but what matters is the main idea behind the post to be understandable and reasonable, then it can be able to generate merit, a quality post is worth desiring to be merited, when it's full of taughts and generate ideas and has a good composition regardless of how short or long it might be.

You are right, a quality post, is a post that inspired a read, educative,and brings innovation to another, i know vividly that what you called or seems as quality might be stupid or nonsense to another person, that's the reason people don't give grades to a particular post, because it's not lengthy, before many people taught when we say a quality, they taught maybe we are referring to many paragraphs, we are looking for the educational quality, its meaning and it's benefit to the community.

There is no question if you will contribute even two stanzas of your post if you think this is given high-quality post that can give satisfaction to the OP post.
But sometimes this answer will be hanging up the idea or somewhat lack information and fully detailed information will surely consume a lot of space which gives a high-quality post and no lengthy post. However, we are here in the forum and everyone can give their prospective idea or we have a free speech to interact discussion but of course not on the off-topic.

When I think about what a quality post is, I come to the conclusion that it must be a post that brings something new, new information, an idea, content, something original, a post that helps others, contributes to the forum etc.
Of course older members with more experience and knowledge can write much better quality posts than newbie members and this is normal.
I know that some newbie members complain about this because it is difficult for them to progress on the forum, but everyone can make an effort, do some research and share their knowledge with others.
Other members will then reward them with a merits for their work and effort and they will eventually know more and write better and higher quality posts later.

Different views and perception from different people, it feels like one's already here for a year or two lol.
Reading down your replies is educative to an extent about the forum.
I feel a vital information or query will transferred as well solved, when a quality post is written.
Some are good writer's of short lines,brief and as well some can still write lengthy.
Hopefully everyone learns for the growth of the community and forum.

Thank you so much for the guide, seriously I personally think that my post have to contain lengthy words before it will be considered, and as a result of this, I particularly, I am scared to bring new topics to the group thinking it will not be valued. But with this information, I get more confidence and I hope I compose a quality post soon. Thanks for the information.

In addition to that, a quality post can be anything which makes you laugh or happy. A post may be a quality one for one person who enjoyed it and gave it merit and it may be just a normal post for another person.
The definition of quality posts varies from person to person. Also if anyone gave a merit on a post, the other person should not challenge as why the merit was given to a post which seems average one.

The quality of a post is not determined by the shortness or length of an explanation, post or thread. Many people don't like the long style of writing to explain a small problem because it can make the reader feel bored and prefer to skip it. It is better if it is short but contains accurate information and answers so that it is quite helpful, but not all of them will also be considered quality because each user will have their own way of making judgments.

I have a habit of posting with two paragraphs or more. This gives me space to go into a bit more detail about the problem asked in the second paragraph by including some assumption. Obviously this is just a habit of mine, but I don't like walls of text. A lot of the merit that I get are also not because I write short or long, it's because they find something meaningful in my post. In essence, the quality of posts depend on how people rate our post.

Yes they are, If a post deserve to be merited and you have smerits then merit them. If you also come across a post that you believe deserve the be merited and you're out of merits, I'm pretty sure a heads up to a Merit source won't be a bad idea provided it's done genuinely and not some attempt to abuse the system with Alts.

A quality post must have the following characteristics:
It must make a complete sense.A quality post does not carry ambiguous words,they are always straight forward and meaningful.
It must be able to explain in detail it purspose.A quality post must be able to tell the reader the reasons of the post,it message must be conveyed appropriately.
A quality post must have a topic sentence.
A quality post must be understandable by everyone.

I think sometimes a post is been merited because of how it makes the reader feel. (I.e how informative could be or solution it offers).
But long or short, shouldn't be a main criteria as long as you could pass the centre.
 

Yeah. No one is stopping anyone from sending Merits to any post they fancy.

If Merits weren't as precious as they were, I'm pretty sure they would be distributed more frequently, just as likes.

There are some ways to be considered a good post. If it contains detailed information, the ability to explain to someone, the benefits of the post if all this information is appropriate then it must be considered as a good post. It can be small or large. It is better to consider the ability to explain as a good post.

It doesn't really matter if it's long or short. It is when you successfully delivered a message that can give useful information, benefit, help another user with a solution or how it can add value to them and only then you can call it quality post. It's all about the content that matters not the the size and it's measurements.

I totally agree with this statement. I usually judge a post as quality based on the level of information/lesson or experience it conveys and how it is conveyed as well. I also like posts and replies that introduces another fresh angle/perspective to a discussion.

This is called a forum, and one of the main aims of any forum is a platform for the exchange of ideas, and perspectives. Any post that engages these aim of a forum is a quality post.

A question that I would like to ask is "Are all quality posts meritable?".

I think this is mainly to the influence of other posters who share tons of useful information who get merited at the end. The only difference is, either newbies copy-paste something (plagiarism) from the internet or they share tons of information which are not relevant at all.

Like what you have mentioned, even a short-reply but with meaningful and useful information can do the trick as long as you're focusing on the point of the thread. While this may take some time for some newbies to learn, all small-steps are big achievements on their own.

I definitely wouldn’t say that quality posts need to be in that caliber to be called a “quality post” because a good post doesn’t necessarily need be thought provoking, but posts of that caliber are definitely up there in terms of standard; and I’m definitely highly more likely to be giving merits to such posts.

Also, +1 for Tupac

There is no point in repeating what I have already written in a previous post, but we cannot generalize things and say that something is a quality post or not, or that that post deserves 1 or 2 merits or deserves nothing. Everyone should read the post and try to understand it (and few read, even fewer of them understand what they read) before deciding whether the post is good, bad or just signature spam.


Of course, it can often be seen that someone writes a wall of text, all with the intention of hiding a link in it or just shilling a service - such a post not only has absolutely no value, but also violates the rules of the forum on advertising in posts. The forum as a community should work to try to steer individuals in the right direction, and this is done by every member who has good and fair criteria when it comes to valuing someone's contribution to the forum.

New members (and some old ones) are certainly confused when they see that logically poor quality posts are rewarded with merit - but merit is not always a measure of quality, but can be a reward for someone being funny, sarcastic or maybe even rude at some point.

A quality post is also one that creates more questions, initiates a genuine conversation, makes you think and look at things from a different perspective. A good post can change your initial opinion.

Tupac once said that he won't change the world, but he will ignite a spark in the person that will change the world. A good post can do that to. It can give you the idea you needed to make something happen.     

If the length of the post is a guide to the quality of the content, I often ignore that post if I can't understand the first line or two so it will take an extra effort to convince me to submit merit points.

The quality of the content is easily communicated to the recipient. Sometimes there are useful and high-quality posts, but the way the information is presented and the style makes the benefit from it almost non-existent.

In short, a smart person is the one who can communicate a problem with simple words.

What matters most is not about the volume but the quality, all I noticed is that even unworthy long posts on this forum are not merited. We can start a competition to look for long and short posts, you will go for short posts and I will go for long posts and see which ones are more having quality and explanations needed. I am pretty sure I will win.

You are right, but I noticed there are exceptional cases, there are some users I have in my mind already, no matter how long there post is, I will read it from beginning to the end. I noticed some long posts are still even short if compared to its quality.

You are also right, but there are exceptional cases too. I have many long posts, though I was trying to short many but I only included what I think should be included, and before I will know, it would have been long. But there are people like mk4 that receives merit frequently but having short posts but of good quality.

But people like mk4 are not common on this forum, most others like that have long post to explain in details necessary contents needed in a thread.

That's it!

It's the same way I've maintained that meriting a post is also a subjective thing. Each individual merits what they thing makes sense to them, and what makes sense to them may not make to others (I ain't going off track with this). It's that simple. Back to quality posts: I like reading well punctuated and concisely written posts. I have to understand a writer's point of view first hand (and almost immediately while going through it) before I deem it quality enough.

I don't think this is the main reason. After all, a 200/250-character post is actually a very short post. It is not a lengthy post. It is only a two-liner post. Reducing the minimum posting requirement to 75 characters would actually do more harm than good. And you could put the same blame of the reduction in post quality on one-liners that are spreading because that is the only minimum for a post to get counted and paid.

A post could actually be short or long depending on what is being discussed. But oftentimes a one-liner could actually be expounded a little bit more for clarity and qualification.

They have style of prolong their posts and ignore recommendations. OP even does not care to use dot in all/ most of posts.

With same meaning, the shorter the better sentence

Even a writer needs to give an explanation, it should be expressed as most succinctly/ briefly as possible. It is not easy to do, but practice makes perfect.

I consider a post to be good if it is interactive and contains some helpful information.
Some information appears to be extensive and difficult for users to understand, and I sometimes assume that the writer has wasted his time putting effort into writing without communicating.

Given merit to a post is subjective, and if the reader does not like or have interest in your post, they will simply disregard it, they will not even verge on making replies, contributions or corrections, which is the basis of why we are all here as in a Forum.

It doesn't matter if the post is long or short provided it has the quality of been merited must time it gets meritrd and that's a good thing. There's no measurements for quality post provided by the forum so nobody can define what quality is but the simple guidelines 'could be' posts that aren't spam and was created for the genuine interest of contributing to an ongoing discussion this tyoe of posts can be said to be merit worthy.

Some people just have lots of words in their mouth and as such they shouldn't be discourage from writing them. Although they should know when to write that article in their mind and when to just go straight to the point. This is a forum that attracts people from different part of the world as such they must have different understanding of what ever we're trying to define here, the issue is just that they don't spam the forum with their content.

If you take a look at my posts, most are just 1 or 2(sometimes 3) liners; but yet my merit count is significantly above my activity points. It really isn't the length, it's a lot more of the content. It's a common misunderstanding hence why we see a lot of people who spit out random crap just to increase their word count.

Of course, long posts aren't bad. Long posts are good when it's made longer for more depth, but definitely not for every single topic.

You are right about the quality of a post but if it is about a post that are more likely to received are base on thr concept of the person. For example, like what DdmrDdmr said, posters can earn merit if he/she post something that is interesting or the concept is interesting to read or to learn or an idea. The other one is about the effort to make that concept to post/share.

Most time we are been received by long post that gives us head ache when reading it thinking it's what determine the quality of a post which is never. A quality post show be able to pass information. Give an idea just like a declarative statement that tells us about something or pass an information.

Sometimes after making a post, we need to ask ourself whether the information we are trying to pass could portray the aim of such post. If not there is need to peruse our writeup and make adjustment where necessary. The aim of making is to pass one or two information to the public about what we know or how we felt about something. Thia aim must be achieved and there is what determines a good writer or poster.

Note: Correct my words where necessary...we'll learning!

Time wasted via post making can't be considered as a measurable criteria to reward someone that has ambiguous post with off point, the major factor we have to consider to reward a post is it contribution to the forum, actually some person's join BTT community without having the pre knowledge of bitcoin but within the forum they are enable to explain and expatiate or analyse the objectives of bitcoin, i think what the forum needs is contribution that will enhance benefit, educative measure to other people and especially our offsprings ( newbies), a larger comment without reasonable point is useless because it has no benefit to people or anyone

Do you know that some post's mislead some people, so such ambiguous post's that carries no vital information can be emulate or adopt by new users, so it's absolutely wrong to gather information that's not encouraging and post to the community, i prefer a meaningful short comment or post than all this big for nothing comments that's not understandable.

Those who write lengthy posts do so in order to meet up with the character count of the campaigns they are in. Watch those who are not in campaigns and you will notice how short their posts can be. I blame campaigns that set the character limit count of their campaigns to 200/250 for posts. That is a long one and most people do not like to read lengthy posts. It bores the mind. I like it where minimum character count is set at 75 characters. Sometimes the information is provided in the first line but the poster goes on to add words to meet up the requirements.

The quality of a post is often a subjective thing, because not all people have the same criteria, and I think that is completely normal. Some things can be explained very well in 2 or 3 sentences, some other things require a lot more effort and time and we cannot generalize that a good post is one that has 3 sentences or 30 sentences. A wall of text never means quality if it doesn't make sense, and most users won't even bother to read such posts - but if someone is really good at presenting quality information, I'll always be happy to read his post and reward him with merit.

The reason why some users reward posts that are not one or two sentences may be that in addition to quality, they want to reward someone's effort and time required to create such a post. Of course, this does not mean that there are no quality posts that are short and do not deserve merit - each forum user is an individual who should make decisions based on their own thinking, we are not a collective consciousness.

I tend to favour the concept of interest over the term quality in the context of Merit (which I figure is the context here). Both terms are subjective, but a post that arouses interest of some sort, be it through a question, a comment, a versed explanation, a summarized explanation, a novel theme or approach, or what not, is more the concept sought for in my opinion.

The post can then additionally be well constructed and structured, with decent grammar and a clear exposition, features that may build towards it falling under the additional quality categorization.

According to my observations, long posts are sometimes very tedious to read. I very often see the indignation of users that it would be nice to shorten a thought in the text, especially since it carries a lot of "water"
But when it comes to merit, great posts are sometimes also rated more for effort than quality. So yes, I agree, all that is needed can be said briefly but clearly. It is the most convenient and not fatiguing in terms of reading.
But I also vote for good large texts that explain some points in the most accessible and understandable way.

Quality post is not about size, length it could be long or short. Quality post is about useful information that is passed to users that come across it. How it can add value

A quality post is a post that is answerable to a question, and also a post that brings a solution to a question even though it's a two lines stanza of an article that's well arranged, coordinated, constructed, understandable and also meaningful, but from my perspective some user's misunderstood what we meant by a quality post or a quality article, i have come across of some varieties of post's in the community and it trigger's me to put it in writing, i seen some user's making an ambiguous articles And taught that a large numbers of articles is granted or guarantee making of a tangible or nice post, [No]

I also catch up that some people don't like to award Merit to a post that is shorter with cogent reasons and meaningful rather prefer a post that is large and contains a large numbers of articles, while those posts that is very ambiguous can as well contain More less vital informations that is valueless than the shorter Post, i have seen that newbies is adopting the system of long article with valueless point, so it's encouraging and admirable to make post that is lesser and have meaning, it's not that I'm condemning a long article writers post but we should understand the concept that your content  of post  at first also understand the summary of your point.