Topic: What would you have done? (Read 2169 times)

Well you did the right thing by walking away, and i would of done the same thing,

it's better to avoid conflict, but if you get hurt physically then that's when you call the cops or defend yourself.

One stupid thing could ruin your entire life.

I think you can just try to secretly record what he said and call the authority. Because this is a type of harassment

Ridiculous. It's insulting to society that we have people like this.

Yeah man you done a right this, ofcourse you should avoid trouble as far as you can. And no matter what he was doing you will be arrested too for violence and carrying a self defense mechanism. The best it to avoid these racism hits by just walking straight and ignoring what thy are saying and still if some try to be smart then their are cops everywhere or you ca just call them   

You're not allowed to carry a con cealed weapon without a permit 

Classic phone though. Was a Nokia fanboy back in the day. Wouldn't mind ditching the iphone and going back.

What about using my Nokia 3310?

Can you buy a lock at a store without any special requirements? If so, then yes. Anything can be a weapon if you know how to use it. You could kill a person with a shoestring if you know how to use it.

Keep in mind that some things could be considered illegal improvised weapons. Pvc pipe is legal, spud guns and potato cannons are not. Personally, I wouldn't carry a lock in my pocket in a place like New York. Police have to consider the totality of the circumstances when investigating. A lock in the pocket without reason might be one of the contributing factors in making an arrest if you are searched.

Belts aren't an option for me. My pants would fall off. Would a lock be legal? It's not really a brass knuckle. Hell, I can probably just buy those nokia phones and use those as a weapon...

Bare fear is not enough to claim self defense.

Each state is different so check your local laws. In new york, you probably have to be hiding in your window-less closet of the furthest room of your house, cowering in fear and pleading for your life at least 10x before you can use self defense against an attacker.

Bare fear is usually circumstantial. Seeing 10 gangbangers across the street staring at you would be bare fear in many people's eyes.

Reasonable fear would be if those 10 gangbangers started following you for a considerable distance, while making threats or gestures of harm.

Reasonable fear is usually enough to justify aggression but there is a matter of imminence. If those 10 gangbangers follow you into a dead end alley and keep coming towards you, making threats and you have no means of escape, now a reasonable person can be expected to defend themselves aggressively.

The threat isn't imminent if it is avoidable. You see a police officer while walking away from those 10 gangbangers but ignore him and keep on going. You could have avoided the imminent danger by letting the officer know of their actions.

Basically, you have to have a reasonable fear of harm and it has to be imminent. Yes, you might feel personally justified in giving your brass knuckles a workout on that guy's face but can your wet-behind-the-ears public defender convince 12 jurors that you were justified in your actions? You haven't convinced a public forum if that is any hint of your odds.

Google your state laws. If your going to carry a weapon, carry something legal. You can wear a belt that you don't really need and learn how to use it as a weapon. Not a crime to wear a belt but it will function to harm a person's face, wrap up a hand that has a knife, choke a person to death, etc. If you have access to a punching bag, practice tearing off your belt and delivering a strike to the bag. No one gets arrested for having a belt on them.

Can you define being 'stalked'? I don't want to be walking home the same way as the woman in front of me and she turns round and decides to mace me just in case I might be a rapist.

Hm... hard to say... i guess in the USA the SUV Driver will have good chances.

Regarding the woman stalked in a dark alley... where will you draw the line? Lets assume the woman already had a bad situation and is afraid and a normal person is walking behind her. She can be feared to death but that doesnt justify her shooting the person down, regardless how she felt. There must be something factual. Otherwise if youre unlucky you can become a victim too without having done anything only because someone "felt" you are dangerous.

I dont want to be the judge in the SUV-Case though.

No, the biker was just being assholes. They boxed in the SUV and slowed down, and SUV accidentally tapped the back of a biker and stopped completely. A biker started walking towards the SUV (to talk or to fight) SUV got scared and sped off, running over and paralyzing one of the biker.

It's basically like a woman being stalked by a guy in a dark alley, fear wouldn't justify her macing him?

just tell him to go back to Europe, he's foreign in America as much as you are

America to Americans, not whites
Asians and Black people are welcome
Whites just think they own it..

You in SD?

I hope you see a difference in there. If i understand it right the biker attacked the car not only verbally but physically so that life threatening is in the range of possibility. Fear alone isnt enough for self defense... there must be valid reasons that your health or even life is in danger.

He had them crazy eyes though.

I think this guy was being a jerk and I am not saying anything he did was right, but it would have landed you in a ton of trouble if you did decide to hit him. If I was put in that situation I would probably have tried to go into a store as said above since it is New York and there are a lot of stores. I am really sorry for this guys inappropriate comments to you. As said above about making jokes about him I think this is an awful idea... If he has no trouble coming up to you two and making fun of you for your race then I do not think he would possibly have hurt you if you had joked about him. 
-AM

You're kidding right...? Fear isn't a reason to attack legally? Read up on this: http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/03/20800978-family-involved-in-suv-biker-clash-was-in-fear-for-our-lives?lite

laugh at him. thats the best defense.   

I think even insulting people is asking for trouble. It depends on the scenario and situation. Should you really be trying to aggravate somebody who might be on drugs or mentally disturbed by telling them to "fuck off"? Be a better man and rise above it and ignore it as much as you can. You don't have to respect the opinion of wankers who know nothing about you, so just brush it off and walk on knowing that you are better than them.

LOL! My thoughts exactly!

On topic: it's much easier for two guys to make fun of a single person than vice-versa. You could've escalated if your up for that, by a strong "fuck off" or by making fun of him with your brother. "Can you believe this bald hobo? Should we knife his sorry ass?" so he may decide to walk slower.

But if you need to do that - means you have a problem with self-confidence. You should give 0 fucks about such slurs.

Everyone so sensitive nowadays in the united states of political correctness.

Fear isnt a reason to attack legally. Otherwise even the scary look of a person could justify beating him. I think the guy only enjoyed fearing you. And it worked fine for him.
I think i would have tried not showing him that im concerned and trying not to escalate it. Going away from him into the shop was the right decision. Such scumbags arent worth that you turn your life negative because that would have happened when you attacked him or when you escalated it and he attacked you. Its simply not worth it. "Does the moon care when the dogs bark at it." Your above that and only fight back when needed. Though i know of course that its really hard in such situations because one normally doesnt have these every day so its a high adrenaline situation for nearly every person.
I know in TV people get shown to beat for "protecting honour" or similar stupid reasons but in real life these guys ends worse than the beaten. For a reason.

The fact that you are quoting Baldurs Gate leads me to be doubtful of such claims  .

You don't know me very well size doesn't mean shit to me

To quote Minsc from Baldurs Gate 2: The bigger they are! The harder I hit!

Sounds like you're quite the Insult Assassin there. Something tells me you wouldn’t decide to mock someone who was twice the size of you. And being on the internet doesn't count  .

but anyway, did you hit that guy, and then tell us the story? . You cannot really prove that this guy is saying bad things about you, cause you didnt recored, but if you hit him then watching the camera, people would probably think you create trouble, and whether you were right or wrong, you'll lost at least something
So in my opinion, I'd rather keep ignoring it, or if you want to pay back, just say some random things about racist that might piss the guy off

Go back, give him some chopsticks, that appear to be stained with blood.

It doesn't matter if he insulted your dead mother, you don't ever punch a person out of anger, you just mock them like I do or move along and if they attack you that's when you can fight back mind you, people tend to just move along themselves if they ever get on the receiving end of my mocking

Are you serious that you actually got mad at this? A homeless person digging through trash insulting you and you get pissed? Really? That shit wouldn't have affected me at all.

I think you need to get out more. This simple, very easy encounter has you riled up. I wonder what would happen if something that was actually serious occurred.

Self-defence law does not care about your feelings, only about actual and threatened assaults (and an insult is not a threat). Neither does the law allow you to attack someone because you don't know what he's hiding, or because he's standing close to you, or because "it was like he wanted to shank you". He has to actually pull out the knife or threaten to stab you before you can use force to defend yourself.

Besides, forget about the law for a moment, and consider the facts. Suppose he actually does have a knife and he really does want to stab you, your attack gives him a perfectly legal excuse to do so. He will stab you, and in court he'll deny that he ever provoked you (you can't prove he did, remember), he'll say he was only carrying the knife because he uses it at his job, and then claim self-defence because you attacked him first (which you did). Assuming you survive, you're the one who'll be going to jail.

My sentiments exactly. He's a racist wanker with misplaced hatred, but don't pre-empt violence with violence. Only use it if it's your last resort.  And why do you need Brass Knuckles, don't all you guys know karate? lol I'm just kidding. Don't carry brass knuckles unless you feel like you really need them, but be prepared to face the consequences if caught.

Just turn around and say "fuck off". From there, if he escalates and starts shoving you, you can go medieval on him.

Not with the brass knuckles, though.

People are just dumb. Just ignore it, because its just too heavy to give a fuck.

Your going to end up punching a lot of people lol.

just ignore him,that's the best you can do
or if you really want to hit him you need  to provoke the attack, make fun of him,tell him to go back to Europe (because he's white )
if he attacks you, you can kick his sorry ass

but as I said if he isn't so annoying try to ignore him,because what he really wants is to mess with you and don't let him to succeed

What about feeling threatened? Does that require defense? What if my brother was scared out of his mind because this is the first time happening to him? So, yes, I was going to fucking attack the person with an illegal fucking weapon. Who the fuck knows what he's hiding in his bike or pockets. He was so close to me that he could of sniffed my ass. It was like he wanted to shank me, do I wait until he stabs me before I can touch him in self defense?

You could just told him to go back to England or Ireland or somewhere in Europe.

So you were going to attack a person with an illegal concealed weapon?  That would make you the attacker, not the victim.

Nothing gives you the right to touch another person, unless it is in self defence.

Having your feelings hurt does not require defence.

I did enter a store, I stood by the entrance and made a bodyguard stance when he came in and picked through the garbage while I just glared at him until he left.

I would have avoided conflict at all costs. Enter a public store or something. I would certainly not let someone follow behind me.

Of course, I wouldn't be in NY where I am basically not allowed to carry a firearm for self-defense.

This is the only active forum I know and I needed to vent my anger, hope you guys don't mind.

I was walking home with my slightly retarded older brother when this bald guy with dirty clothing and clothing in a laundry bag on a bike that goes through the trash. He suddenly started riding his bike slowly behind us and dragging his feet so we can hear that he's behind us. He started saying softly, "Go back to Hong Kong... Go back to Hong Kong..." My and brother are Chinese nationality but are born in America. I told my brother to go ahead of me and go home. That dude started dragging his feet again. I turned my head slightly, so that I can see him in my peripheral vision and he would snicker and laugh whenever I did it. After my first head turn, he started dragging his feet louder and I turned around again and he started snickering. I have brass knuckles in my pocket for self-defense, I wanted to hit that guy so bad. (Brass knuckles are illegal in New York, so I didn't want to get into trouble). What would you guys have done? Is it legal to hit someone for racial/ethnic slurs directed at you and mentally retarded brother? This happened in front of cameras and it would of shown that I initiated the attack.