Topic: What you call Bitcoin is not Bitcoin, The Hijacking story. (Read 556 times)

There is nothing wrong with investing in established alts especially the ones like XMR. Since you mentioned it, XMR provides complete privacy which BTC lacks. Many people who own bitcoin also do own some alts. There is no need to demonize alts completely. If some other alt provides a better tech than btc, does something better than btc, then it has a legitimate reason to exist.

The main problem here is that RV promoted BCH as it was the real bitcoin which is obviously a big lie.

No other alt did that. I am not sure but I don’t think even BSV went that low. They did a lot of satoshi’s real vision stuff though.

100% true. The other side is that if the suckers didn't buy the Ver coin or any of the other ones they would be buying some other shit coin like XMR or XRP or XAP or whatever.
Greed will always overcome logic and people who only want the fast $ will always gravitate to the next big thing.
The scammers will keep taking their $ and then the next bag of suckers will come along.

Or, to put it another way there are people who see ads on TV about buying gold and happily buy what they saw at a massive premium over what they could have gone down to their local shop and bought the same thing for. Because some celebrity told them to.

If theymos wants to leave the forum open to alts and all the other crap then that is what we are going to get.
OTOH, if it is stopped here it just means it will take place elsewhere.

-Dave

The idea behind this stuff is that Bitcoiners don't gain anything by correcting these lies, but if they keep lying continually they'll pick up some suckers to buy their bags particularly since no one is going to bother expending much effort correcting any of it.

Great response here. I absolutely hate these people, similiar to Craig Wright, who claim their Bitcoin fork is the "true" Bitcoin. There is a reason the Bitcoin we know and use today is the main chain and the one that has survived much longer, because it is more trusted.

I’ve noticed that the Bcash folk are very very serious about their stance and I’d even equate their allegiance to that of the liberal democrats loyalty to Harris/Biden lmao. The folks that buy into these lies just can’t seem to figure it out. There is a clear path in each instance and unfortunately some folks are blind.

What do you want from us anyway? Roger went with bch and the debate has ended there. Do you want us to sell our btc and buy bch? Is this what you want from us? How many people do you think you can convince here? 100? 1000? Do you think bch can become bigger than btc if we all listen to you?

You are kicking a dead horse. It is settled long time ago.

Bch is competing against btc now just like eth, ltc, doge and xmr does.

I linked you to an account that has an incredibly similar writing style to yours, and which is active while you are inactive and vice versa. Let's not go to OT, if you have at least 1 account that you think is my alt, feel free to open a topic in Reputation.

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You don't have time to defend your idol and your nonsensical theories, but you have time to continue in some other topic with similar nonsense? Good luck and make sure you don't end up in the same place as Roger

Exactly. Then why are you telling what people should and should not read ? or speaking on behalf of everyone else ?

Post does not break any forum rules so it's not going away, stop attacking me for sharing information  
What you are doing is literally what Roger describes in the first 10 minutes of the audio book.

Cult mentality.

I will leave this thread now, people who want to know will listen to Roger. I feel no obligations to answer any of you (I have a life).
Over & Out.

Is this some sort of regulated forum where everyone can't express their points, opinions or whatever it is?. It is your words against yours and I never said that speak for them. I think I should search on the internet the meaning of the word "NOTICE"

If it's up to them then stop speaking for them.

No If I answer your questions but if you read my post is that I am not stating that I speak for everyone and it's your words not mine. Anyway, It is like giving anyone a notice and as I explained before, it is up to them if they want to listen to it or not. Once again, you didn't get my point at all which makes me laugh. It's up to you on how you interpret my post. My goal is done anyway by explaining everything. It's not like I didn't want you to post anything like that. After all, this is a forum which is mainly for discussion.

So now you speak for everyone ?

I bought a lot in 2016 and have been mining it since.


The same way I can link you to at least 15 other accounts here on forum because you speak the same.
Too much time on your hand ? you should find a job. Try enjoying your life instead of attacking other people.

I honestly doubt that you bought that coin 10 years ago, and if you bought it 3 years ago, it didn't really prove to be a safe store of value - unless that term means something else to you.

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By the way, do you have a special reason for using two accounts to write the same things on the forum? Just don't say that it's not your account, because you'll be telling another lie that will sooner or later hit you on the head.

It seems you didn't get my point. I am merely stating the reason why people doesn't want to listen anything related to roger ver either it is an audio book or a written one. I didn't state anything about not letting people discovering the truth or any of that. As far as I can say if it's face to face, it's up to them if they will believe it or not and it's up to them if they stay away or not as long as I already told them about what his reputation. If it's about investment then this sentence is better suited for it, "Take the risk if you are willing to accept the risk". As I explained before, it's all about the reason why other people doesn't want to discuss about the audio book by Roger ver. You can say anything you want and I don't care as long as I explained my point.

haha yeah you gotta love it 

What a strange domain name to buy for a website that's about Monero nodes.

A smart person listens to both sides of the story, an idiot repeats what other say without checking anything.

Seems to me you're just afraid of people discovering the truth, because if it's not true - you wouldn't be afraid and would told people to see for themself.

Yes it's true that I use the word traitor and it only means that those people who knows what roger ver did just wanted to never read and believe anything that he writes or records. In short, people who knows about his reputation just wants to be safe and it's not like as you have explained that it's like some kind of religious cult when the truth is they just wanted to stay safe and stay away from anything that is related to roger ver whether it is a recorded audio or something like that.

The fact that you use the word "Traitor" speaks for itself, it's like some kind of religious cult.... 

You are right that this is bitcoin discussion but the topic being discussed is written by well known traitor so that's why you got such response. You should have expected such response and the reason why the response is like that. If you ask me, reading that audio book written by well known traitor is the same as believing to a scammer person even though you know that the person is a scammer. In short, you can post anything about bitcoin but don't expect someone to listen or read anything related to roger ver.

CZ is a well known criminal with criminal charges.
Vitalik has created a premined project and switched to PoS against the will of all the miners.

Something else to say ?

There is nothing to talk about if its about Roger Ver.

I will also advice you OP to stop reading anything from that man.

This person have useless himself in the past, unlike LTC devs who maintained their statue and gives respect to the work of Satoshi Nakamoto, they never try to ridicule Bitcoin, they never tried to be better than Bitcoin,  Roger very on the other hand tried to dirty stain Bitcoin, talk trashes about Bitcoin and in his ugly mind he thought that what he created (BitcoinCash) was going to beat Bitcoin if he forced people to see the differences.

Today I have lost all respect for him and is types, if you are a developer who looks forward to build something good or even better just do it and don't try to lie about other good works in this space, respect yourself and do your thing.

CZ created BNB chain.
Vitalik Buterin created Ethereum.

I have never seen them talk trashed about Bitcoin, they knew they can do something good but are fine been under Bitcoin.

https://x.com/shopinbit/status/1811651225005195471
https://x.com/CoinCards/status/1809702144288882870

Can I now laugh in your face ?  

https://cryptwerk.com/analytics/monero/

 

I'm not dumping anything, I use Monero as a safe store of value. 

Well, I hope the Monero bags you are holding go up in price so that you can dump it and make a profit. But that's not going to change any facts specially about its adoption. Monero wasn't introduced yesterday, you know. The past 10 years (since inception of XMR back in 2014) has proven that this coin's adoption is what we see, it is not going to magically grow to Bitcoin level of adoption.

Monero is MUCH more scalable than Bitcoin - you would know if you weren't just another parrot repeating what other have said without making your own research.
Here's a visualization for you: https://tx.town/v/xmr-btc
Read about dynamic block size and tail-emission, there are almost as many full nodes as in Bitcoin so it's not a problem and never will because technology is evolving.
That's why having no protocol bottlenecks is important, Monero is limited only by the infrastructure (Internet speed and node CPU speed), it has no limits on the protocol as oppose to Bitcoin.

Source:
https://bitnodes.io/
https://monero.fail/map

Bcash is not another version of bitcoin, it is a copy of bitcoin like thousands of other altcoins from litecoin and ethereum all the way to bitcoin silver, bitcoin gold, etc. They are all shitcoins. And there is only one Bitcoin.

As for Monero, it is probably the only solid cryptocurrency out there other than Bitcoin but you are delusional if you think it is growing 10% as fast as Bitcoin. It has its own specific issues that has made it a not so favorable option for people to adopt. Issues such as its scaling which is far worse than what bitcoin experiences.
On top of that being anonymous by default is making its adoption harder.

I honestly don't understand why it has to be a heated debate. The crypto market is a free market. Anyone can make their coins and see if they succeed. Similarly, anyone can choose which cryptos to use, whether it's Bitcoin, Monero, or Bitcoin Cash.
Bitcoin went through some changes when SegWit was introduced. Not everyone agreed with those changes but enough people did to say that this is Bitcoin. Bitcoin Cash didn't win people over, and it's not the original Bitcoin either. It's a clone with a modification that's different from the SegWit one that Bitcoin underwent. Whoever prefers it is free to do so, nothing to argue about.

Bcash is an old story book you don’t want to read anymore because you already know every word in it. The writer is Roger V and he has been saying the same old crap for the last 7 years or smth. He was cool when he was pro-btc but not anymore. He and his Chinese friend Jihan tried to kill btc’s decentralization and failed. That’s all there is to know about him.

Price is a pretty good indicator that something is popular, wouldn't you say? Its tough to use a crypto as a currency if its price does nothing but go down, especially when compared to Bitcoin.

I understand you are pro Monero, that's great. But shitting on Bitcoin to make... whatever point it is you trying to make seems like a dumb strategy.

The reason it's mandatory to people who care is because people are brainwashed like you are now, there's no twisting of anything - only facts linked to true events which are all visible to anyone who wants to know.
Fortunately more and more people are aware of the true situation, whether you like it or not.
But feel free to stay blind, no one is forcing you to know the truth.  

Enjoy Bitcoin Core, just don't call the whole cryptocurrency scene a scam when it collapses  

Bitcoin Core (what you call Bitcoin) crypto market dominance is currently at ~55%, I think it's fair to say it's an altcoin as well, and not a very good one...

BTW, it's funny how people like you never have any proofs or facts to say against Roger Ver except generic "he is a traitor".
You know why it's funny ? because it's obvious you didn't do any research and just repeating what other Bitcoin Core evangelists said.

I'm all into Monero but it's obvious to me from reading all the facts and hearing both sides that Bitcoin Cash is more in line with Satoshi vision than Bitcoin Core.
The whole drama aside, code speaks for itself and Bitcoin Cash is just better Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System, remember that ? "Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System".
It was not meant to be: "Bitcoin: A Peer-to-CeX-to-Peer Electronic Real-Estate System" or more likely today: CeX-to-CeX.

https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf
 

Try to revoke this statement because there is nothing mandatory here for anyone to learn from, we have to made a decision on whether to go through it or not, but in some cases, we many people like Roger Ver in which we already know what they were commonly known for, wasting time on reading more about them may not be needed, they keep making controversial post on the social media and twisting on peoples opinions about bitcoin and altcoin they call bitcoincash.

Monero has much bigger growth potential, it has much more stable price when it comes to FIAT pairs (Bitcoin is too volatile to compare) and it's not an illusion that it is being used more than Bitcoin for purchases.

I live in EU and use it often, you can't ban Monero because it is fully decentralized and has a working DeX.
It's like with BitTorrent protocol and piracy content, it's illegal ? yes, did they manage to stop it using all the Hollywood money ? Nope. Why ? Because it's decentralized.


Yes, this other factors are: Speculation, Speculation, Speculation.
Edit: Forgot about Promises, endless promises of L2's fixing this unscalable junk. L2's that can't even work properly when network has too much traffic due to too small block.

You are talking about possibility of paying with Bitcoin anywhere sometime in future while with Monero you can already do so, you can buy anything from Amazon using Monero:
https://monezon.com/

Now let's say EU decides Bitcoin is illegal, now what ? it's F-ed because it's transparent and so too dangerous to use.
Privacy by default on protocol level ensures that whatever this gov monkeys decide, we will still be able to use it.

The problem with Bitcoin is that people don't want to use it because it's too expensive and too slow to use even today.
That's why Steam platform and other big companies have ditched it, that's why it failed to adopt in El Salvador.

But how are you going to get people to invest in Monero ​​for profit when its price is almost 70% below its ATH it achieved 3 years ago? On the other hand, in the same period, BTC achieved a price increase of about 100%.

The fact that the price of Monero will increase because people (allegedly) use it more and more for transactions is just an illusion, because let's say I live in the EU in a country where private coins are literally banned, you can't trade with them or pay anywhere, while on the other hand with BTC you can buy literally anything you want.

The price of BTC is currently driven by some other factors and has almost nothing to do with whether BTC will be used less and less as a currency.

If they are in for profit then maybe they should get Monero, see above.  

It will only get worse for Bitcoin as it's being used less and less.

Another Monero shill? What the hell is wrong with you these days that you have started (again) with your apocalyptic ideas about Bitcoin? Monero has its advantages over BTC, but you ignore the fact that most people invest in Bitcoin for profit, not to use it as a currency or to protect privacy.

Besides, who even cares what that Judas says, all the good he did in the past for BTC he destroyed after that and now he is in the same category as CW Faketoshi, Gavin Andersen and the like.

Oh yes, Bitcoin is doing GREAT! (but only if you are blinded by the "number goes up"):

https://x.com/shopinbit/status/1811651225005195471
https://x.com/CoinCards/status/1809702144288882870

Bitcoin - Digital Comedy Gold  



Higher res:
https://i.imgur.com/o0SOSZF.jpeg

Seems like Bitcoin is doing quite well, and its imposters are not.

...And since when we should care about what Government thinks ? You're one of those people who wear mask on their face because gov said so ? and took untested "vaccine"  ?
Government is not our friend, it's just a bunch of people who want more power. The sooner you realize it the better for you.
If Satoshi was taking into account what Government thinks he wouldn't create Bitcoin in the first place.


Here's a quick summary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eafzIW52Rgc&t=1049s

It's over for Bitcoin (whatever version, Core/Cash) anyway, Monero is taking over anywhere both are present.

Well given that Roger Ver is a big blocker, of course the idea of Bitcoin not having a larger block size is repulsive to him.

I didn't watch the video but this is probably going to be a recurring theme within it that I am going to infer now.

I mean, if people actually thought that big blocks were all that was going to be needed to make Bitcoin a fiat-killer, then that is misleading. Governments would never accept Bitcoin as something like that unless it succumbed to a lot of regulatory concessions that would have been easier to implement with big blocks (i.e. less nodes).

Can you give me a quick summary of the video, I watched Roger Ver's documentary in 2015 and he was very positive about Bitcoin but since 2017 things have changed and I think he will continue with the same narrative. If it contains facts outside of BCH's vision it might be useful.

I'm sure the channel owner has rights, otherwise it would be already removed.
He is distributing it under "Creative Commons" license.


This is about Bitcoin and this is Bitcoin Discussion section.

It is free to access audiobooks on Amazon if you are a registered Prime member. I think you will need permission to publish the book on another platform.

You should have expected such a response. Maybe you might get a more positive response if you create this topic in an altcoin forum. You wouldn't expect members of Bitcoin talk to read or listen to an audiobook written by a well-known traitor, which contains information targeted at discrediting Bitcoin to promote a shitcoin.

Audio book is for free on Amazon so I don't think there's any copyright infringement here.

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No one is forcing you.

I'm not sure the uploader have Roger Ver permission, since that youtube link isn't listed on https://www.hijackingbitcoin.com/. Anyway, why do you think it's mandatory read for Bitcoiner? While he was biggest Bitcoin supporters on early days, his stance on block size and BCH are very controversial, so i wonder whether the book is biased.

I don't need to waste my time for watching the video because with several years in this market, I knew who is Roger Ver and what he did.

He is a core member of BitcoinCash scam team that lied a lot and did shady things with their website with intention to mislead unknowledgeable people for stealing their money or bitcoins.

Make sure when you get legit bitcoin and its wallets, resources
To newcomers: make sure when you buy bitcoin you are buying bitcoin!

Hijacking Bitcoin Audio-book | Roger Ver -Distributed freely under "Creative Commons" license.

This is a mandatory position for anyone interested in Bitcoin, enjoy!

Over&Out