Topic: What's going on with the dump? (Read 517 times)

Well guess what... It's not going to be all the way uphill for bitcoin.

Sometimes bitcoin does go down, and it does so because of natural volatility in the market.

There is no news this time. Not a single government coming out and saying that bitcoin is going to be banished in their country or whatever. It's just that people are selling because they've got enough profit and feel like this bull market needs a temporary rest and consolidation. Nothing else to it than that, really.

And that sell off has led to others to sell off theirs as well. Just that simple.

There's a lot of uncertainty and a lot of money has been pulled back from exchanges making the volume low. This is an opportunity for speculators to move the price with very little effort. With huge money on the marke you need a lot of coins to move the price but when people have pulled back their orders much less is needed to simulate a dump. What you're seeing as dumps is really only thousands being bought and sold. It's the same coins being moved back and forth.

After all these years, we should be familiar with this sudden dump, and sudden pump cycle of bitcoin. We should not be surprised if it happens. Sometimes it happens because of hype or FUD, sometimes it happens without any good reason. But, what we should think is what are we going to do with the situation. Hold or buy if it dumps, sell or hold if it pumps.

This is pretty much normal. I don't know why people are giving confused reactions. Markets are basically shaken and needs time to cool off. Its too early to say anything right now but I am bullish for spring still, after april.

Of course. Bitcoin usage is only a fraction of what it was before, that's why it's now much cheaper and faster. Currently 150k transactions/day vs almost 500k in december. We're now almost at the lowest amount of bitcoin usage since 12 months.

Bitcoin moves up, bitcoin moves down, that's just what crypto currencies do.
There does not need to be a reason behind those movements.

But what I find really interesting is the empty mempool!
I don't remember when I have seen the last time such an empty mempool and so low fees.
Looking at the block size, many are not even half full.

Do we have a weaker demand at the moment?

Well let's face it, BTC doesn't scale so on-chain itself per definition can NEVER become a success. I mean, even after segwit, the maximum amount of transactions is only 14 per second worldwide (before segwit it was only 7: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Maximum_transaction_rate). For a payment system to become a success, it should be at least 5000x more (VISA does 65.000 per second currently). So that's a HUGE problem.

Now, when people realized that BTC will never become a success with blockchain payments because of this limit, they figured that they needed to move transactions off the chain and invented Lightning Network. But that too is a horrible & stupid idea like I explained here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/reasons-why-lightning-network-will-fail-2792933

So BTC is a really nice idea in theory but just doesn't work in practice. That's why it's going to fail. And I think more and more people are starting to realize that. I mean look do you see any shops adopting BTC payments in the last few months? Quite the contrary, big shops like Steam have actually STOPPED using bitcoins (https://www.theverge.com/2017/12/6/16743220/valve-steam-bitcoin-game-store-payment-method-crypto-volatility), because of the scaling problems (and volatility). So that realization is kicking in slowly and will eventually lead to the death of BTC. It's like socialism, it may sound nice in theory but if you look at the practice (Venezuela) it just never works. If it doesn't work, eventually it will die. And that's what we're seeing now.

so you are saying that those people are controlling bitcoin prices but i don't think so who will create a suffering state for other to earn for him self i think this is just because of people selling in panic and this should be avoided,

I think the Dump on bitcoin is a deliberate thing done by big players, they are able to sell bitcoin in large quantities, resulting in a very drastic price reduction. The value of bitcoin can be played by someone, especially by big players, it is aimed to gain greater profit.

I don't see any reason why you will be in panic considering that you're still profitable by that numbers. You should strengthen you're emotions as you will not get panic if the price will go downfall. Hold could be your best strategy in this investment.

the price is not ready to pump mate and perhaps those 11k price we experience in last few days is just a testing and i think it take more weeks again before it pump due to some fake news nowadays spreading in asia which is one of the common reason why the price stock at 9k value.

The best time to buy bitcoin is in dips, it is better if you buy bitcoin the last time bitcoin touch $6k, $8800 is still high for me to invest. Even if bitcoin pumps, we all don't know or sure if bitcoin will continue to pump up. There are times that just like this, after pumping it will drop again and we can't control bitcoin for it. No one exactly know what really happens but maybe it is better if you have more patience than to make panic selling.

A correction might be taking place at this moment since bitcoin has stayed around 10,000$ only and seems it could hardly move up. I believe good thing is going to happen after all of this. I am never affected by this recent dip and if it will continue, i will wait for the last lowest price it could get and i will buy more.

This is the normal behavior of bitcoin on the market. Expect prices to continuously fluctuate or at a constant level due to external factors, such as: country prohibitions, law implementations, large trading companies releasing news on NOT to invest into bitcoin, etc. About your investment, just take it slow. Bitcoin has been showing a constant price at the market as of the moment and take this as an opportunity to invest while prices are still low.


Like what I said, this particular phenomenon is typically normal in the cryptocurrency world. Expect prices to skyrocket at some point and also expect them to decrease significantly. In my opinion, take this as an opportunity to invest more in order to take advantage of the time. But if you still feel nervous about your investments, then just wait and let time do its magic.

Im looking at the $9000-ish resistance that may be coming soon, and it will coincide with the 200 day moving average... honestly, if it doesn't hold, we are going to be going lower again, probably to retest the latest bottom, so maybe we'll have to hope for a double bottom at around $5900. Someone wants to see bitcoin going really cheap it seems, and all the idiots that panic sell as soon as they see a big red candle are going to keep pushing the inertia to either way.

Who knows, maybe we get to buy a couple of BTC on a single month again thanks to the idiots selling their coins for peanuts, so get some fiat ready.

Prices are just fluctuating in between 10k- 12k and when this barrier will be broken there will be high tide in the prices which will bless each and every investor so just wait and watch to see the charisma of bitcoin,

Rise wasn't solid because of the speed of that rise, from under 1000 to almost 20000 dollars in less then a year. Now there are few scenarios, most possible in my opinion is the one with bitcoin address full with bitcoins and couple big sales, thousands of bitcoins are sold from that address, that was the reason behind big drop, someone sold more then 10k bitcoins. Before this rise we all saw how someone bought 400 million dollars and push price over 10000 dollars, but just for short time.
When I consider everything what happened in past few months, 10k dollars for 1 bitcoin is not a bad price. We had a dip on 6k but I don't think we will see that again. Price is relatively stable and rise will come in future months. Big things doesn't happen fast, it needs time and this year just began.

The pump wasn't so solid as it looked at first impression, then the correction came really fast and here we are again at $10.000... Coincidentally the dump started when the chinese new year's holydays were ending, however I can't say with sure if there is any correlation between these two facts.

If the dump doesn't stop, then I think there is something bigger happening that is making traders and investors afraid to continue on the same rhythm.

You should not panic, the dumps or dips is just a normal process. The past few weeks dumps should have taught us a lot of things; 'learn to be patient and keep holding. If you are new to bitcoin investment, then go back and read about the history of bitcoin; there is always a possible dips here and there. If you feel you can't stand the pressure, then kindly sell off your coins because not everybody can hold.

The bolded? That's why the market is dumping. To shake you out.

Even if the long term bottom is in (and I'm still not sure of that), bear traps are necessary to provide fuel to the rally. The $11,000s was a clear resistance level. Now let's see where support lies. We could be forming the right shoulder in an inverse H&S. Or we could be dropping to re-test the $8,000s.

Previous thoughts here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.30495953
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.30722727

Watch the price in terms of weeks or months rather than days. I don't think this is any indication of which way it's heading. The price can (and probably will) go back up soon.

It's just profit taking. It went quite fast from $9,000 to $11,000 and some traders have closed their positions and taken profits.

Bitcoin is always like this - it fluctuates like mad thanks to a mix of speculators and various bits of news that move the price.

Stop wasting your time to find out the reason why the price of Bitcoin is dumping, it's not worth and it only make you feel panic about this dump. IMO it's really normal cause the market dump and pump everyday in this crypto world and this dump feel like a signal the whole market is preparing for a big dump after the lunar new year holiday of Asian passed

High price, high demand.
Low price, lower demand.
High supply, lesser price.
Low supply, higher price.
People buy, price increase.
People sell, price decrease.

Don't get nervous and just grow up man. A market that keeps on moving up is a complete bubble without getting through some dips so you have to understand why this is happening.

some random drops, some panic sells, and finally some FUD all lead to a drop. this will possibly be a good test of the buy support and after this state of dumping is over we can at least figure out what the strongest bottom based on the buy support we see now, is going to be.

Bravo
+1 Merit for this

That's the winners strategy.

Especially for intelligent investments like Bitcoin which are not a bubble like Tulips, it doesn't make sense to act like sheep just for the fluctuations.

You should see how BTC performs yearly, never compare the today's price with one month ago

Why are you worrying? Even if you sell now you're still profiting. Hold on to your bitcoins, and if you're not in a hurry, you'll most likely make a profit of 200%-300% until the end of this year, if not sooner.

If the price would have maintained a stable range within $8000-$9000 people wouldn't say anything, aside from some noobs complaining about the lack of volatility. The price increased to $11,700 without any reason, and falls down to current levels without any reason, and suddenly people start talking about dumps and whatnot. If the price has gone up, people ask what the news or development was. If the price has gone down, people ask if there has been any bad news causing the price to dump. Can't people for once just accept that the market doesn't need any reason to move up or down? It's just whale play we are seeing now, and that in a very thin market. Keep holding or trade the volatility, or do both, there is nothing else to do.

If you can scour the depths of the internet and can't find any major news stories on why the price is falling then I wouldn't worry about it too much. As others have mentioned, bitcoin has recovered a lot from the low and was facing large resistance around 12k, many people will be profit taking at that price.

While the market is facing resistance for a few days people start to get nervous, they see bitcoin hasn't risen for a couple of days and those guys that were looking to sell out soon will be willing to lower their expectations. We then see a sell off of sorts. It's magnified right now because there aren't huge support levels to stop the falls. Many who are looking to buy will have the patience to try and let the price fall back to previous lows.

Get used to it, specially now that its almost weekend, expect more dumps and trading will be a little bit slow compared to weekday trading. This is not something new.

Congratulations, you bought when price of BTC is low, if I were you, I'll stop looking at blockfollio and preev because the more you look into the price of BTC, the more nervous you will be and a big possibility of selling below you buy price. If you have BTC now, hold on to it and as much as possible, forget about it for now. Check back when BTC is up again.

I already stopped thinking reasons why bitcoin is dumping or pumping. Happens all the time, dumps without any reason.

It is better to use your time thinking how to take advantage of the situation or how to get some profit out of this bad situation. May buy more, or just hodl until it recovers back.

Buy and hold, you will get a nice profit in the future, everyone is winning apart from the ones that sold their coins when the price goes down.
And yes I don't see why we should have reasons to see the price fluctuating, it is all about bump and dump and maybe this too

Just now? Are you talking about few hours ? or days?
First you don't have to assume the hike of bitcoin, just by seeing a rise of few hundred dollars, market is too much volatile and nobody knows where it is heading now.
BTW all the panic sellers including you (as you lost your calm as it goes few hundred dollars down) and manipulators are the reason of this drop.

Do you buy for long term or you have something else in plan?If you are buy for long term than you have option to hold and do nothing,price will go up like always-or you can sell and wait to price drop and then buy back.If you're scared for your investment just put sell order at 8800$ or above,if price go to that level you will have your money back.

It is normal for such things to happen,rise from 6000$ to almost 12 000$ obviously needs correction.There is more sellers then buyers,an eternal game of supply&demand.

The recent dump we're experiencing right now is some kind of minor correction before an uptrend. An exhausting bull run for almost 2 weeks since Feb 6 is what caused the sell-off. Those who have bought at a lower level are probably selling right now. It could also be possible that manipulation of the big whales are in play. Good news are circulating the mainstream media right now and institutional buyers and new players are eager to buy at a discounted level. It is best to ride the waves that these whales are producing.

Manipulation is what’s happening

Doesn't sound like daytrading to me, its healthy to want to protect your investment. You don't know the future and although everyone keeps saying Bitcoin will reach astronomical heights 20k might have been its peak for a long time or forever. I don't daytrade but I'm also not a fan of this ''hodl'' strategy, I sold before the big crash and I bought back in when it was 6k, a good time went over these two decisions so its not exactly daytrading, I'm protecting my investment.

Sounds like you are trying to day trade.  Looking at the charts daily means that you are day trading and you will lose.  Everyone pays tuition day trading and tuition these days are high.  Day trading is an emotional game and it sounds like you don't have the stomach for it.  Bitcoin doesn't go up in a straight line. 

If this is a true investment, you'd buy and forgot for a year. 

My personal opinion is just that it's a slight correction of sorts. The price quickly recovered from 6k to near 12k and faced a lot of resistance around 12k. A new level of support will need to be found (hopefully around the current price of 10k) and then there will be more confidence and the price can begin to move towards 12k again.

The price can't just move from 6k back to 20k without any uncertainty.

MrBigHang, I bought in about $8800. It is a bit worrying. I'm not sure if i should be putting in a sell just before it hits that or not. I wouldn't want caught in a trap and sell, then a second later it reverses.

There are FUD fake news against crypto being spread in Asia now.
 These dumps are temporary.

Please don't do anything know.

For now, read this post https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.30782883

Then let us know what you think and we discuss.

What number did you buy in at?  We might be going down to 4-5k.  Bitcoin hype is dying down so there are no new buyers.  We might be in a two to three year bear market.  Only thing that can save BTC now is Wall Street Whales.

There was no particular reason for the rise either. The market is slightly no man's landish. There's no definitive momentum in either direction. This time next week it could be 11 grand or 6 grand and we'd be none the wiser.

Hey,

Can anyone explain to me why there is a such a dump just now? I don't see any big reasons why this is happening. I thought we were on the up. I bought in very recently, so i'm starting to get a bit nervous. Trying to hold fast!