What's so “convincing” about Craig Wright?

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Quote from: aoluain on November 05, 2021, 02:05:52 AM

...while at the same time hanging on in the hopes that their Satoshi will be
proven (wright) in court.

The loyal supporters definitely see injustices to Wrights claim all the time and
100% support his claims in order to validate their blind following and
get back their investment.

It must be mightily stressful watching your BSV investment slowly melt
away as CSW's claim slowly melts away. There are those who are certainly heavily
invested who just cannot walk away.
I wonder how many secretly realise now that it was all a hoax?

I've already seen that some have, but most are still handing in tight despite the obvious flaws and red flags in the "CSW is Satoshi" thingy.

P.S. fun fact: a small minority of BSVers think that CSW isn't Satoshi. Apparently they really just like gigantic blocks.

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I rarely see people expressing their support of Craig on Bitcointalk, but it doesn't mean that there are no people who think that he is Satoshi here. I have a friend who's a forum user, and believes that Craig is Satoshi (but doesn't really talk about it on Bitcointalk). I think there's nothing convincing regarding Craig, but my friend thinks that Craig is indeed Satoshi but doesn't want to provide definitive proofs because of not wanting to give tons of the money away and face legal action. He also thinks that since Craig worked in IT and is considered a computer scientist, he's clearly very smart and capable of creating Bitcoin, and that it's Craig's terrible personality that makes people believe that he can't be Satoshi. What can I say, if you're willing to find 'evidence', you'll find it in the smallest things without considering any alternative explanations.

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Quote from: DaveF on November 04, 2021, 06:37:55 AM

As for CSW, I think a lot of people are missing the point that people want someone to follow. They need a leader.

Sure, he filled the role of a leader when there was a demand for it, but he does not strike me as a talented and charismatic leader that won his followers with his words. He's not a good orator, he is not making good blog posts, he's not making inspiring speeches. If not for the blocksize debate, he would have been immediately forgotten.

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I want to be controversial here for a moment and compare this with the Vax and Anti-Vax fiasco that are going on at this moment. People had to make a decision and they are too stubborn to admit that they were wrong. The Craig Wright (BSV) supporters dumped a lot of money into the Craig Wright (BSV) movement and they want to prove that they were right to make that decision... so they will never admit that they were wrong.

Craig Wright is a very good snake oil salesman, so I do not blame these people for falling for his lies. They say, "In the land of the blind, one eye is King." Wink

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Quote from: mk4 on November 04, 2021, 06:44:48 AM

Obviously I can't speak for the BSV peeps, but the way I see it: they've been so financially and emotionally invested in Craig Wright and BSV that they're pretty much in denial. I assume they've lost so much money(in BTC terms) if it's the case that they've converted their BTC to BSV, that it would be immensely painful for them to admit defeat, and accept the tremendous loss.

...while at the same time hanging on in the hopes that their Satoshi will be
proven (wright) in court.

The loyal supporters definitely see injustices to Wrights claim all the time and
100% support his claims in order to validate their blind following and
get back their investment.

It must be mightily stressful watching your BSV investment slowly melt
away as CSW's claim slowly melts away. There are those who are certainly heavily
invested who just cannot walk away.
I wonder how many secretly realise now that it was all a hoax?

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Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on November 04, 2021, 03:27:29 PM

Yeah, but it's never too late to educate yourself and invest into bitcoin; history has shown for the latter. Why would you want to continue supporting something you're in denial of if you're not convinced from the arguments?

If a certain person is overly invested in something, mental bias can affect the way you think in very very weird ways. It's no different from people who can defend celebrities and/or influencers to extreme extents. You even see this on some Bitcoiners as well, whereas literally every single thing is "good for Bitcoin", and anything negative is "FUD". Basically just very weird psychological behavior.

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Quote from: yazher on November 03, 2021, 10:36:14 PM

Quote from: Darker45 on November 03, 2021, 07:46:01 PM

Just as there are people who put up altars and pray for Pablo Escobar, there are also people who truly believe Craig Wright is the real Satoshi Nakamoto. In other words, there are people who are extremely misled. Indeed, there's more than a handful of them. Calvin Ayre of CoinGeek is one of them.

What's amusing is that just as we are confused why these people believe in Craig Wright as the real Satoshi, they are also confused why we can't see the obvious thing that Craig is Satoshi. It's a funny thing.

You're right and Craig Wright is a decent guy who has a lot of money and connections. that's why some people believe in what he is blabbering about him being the real Satoshi. Unfortunately, these people will not go anywhere and as days pass, they will realize that they are on the wrong side where they only get false promises from him which will never gonna happen anyway. The only people left there will be those fools who still think they are now one step closer to changing the fortune of their life.

I wouldn't call Craig Wright a decent guy. Anybody who is a notorious liar, a con, a bully, a joke, and so forth is not a decent person. Craig Wright is this man. Sure he has a lot of money. That's probably the reason why he has the luxury to sue anybody who gets in the way of his Satoshi claim. He must have some connections as well. But all this will never be enough for him to succeed in his claim. He simply doesn't have the proof.

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Quote from: mk4 on November 04, 2021, 06:44:48 AM

Obviously I can't speak for the BSV peeps, but the way I see it: they've been so financially and emotionally invested in Craig Wright and BSV that they're pretty much in denial.

Yeah, but it's never too late to educate yourself and invest into bitcoin; history has shown for the latter. Why would you want to continue supporting something you're in denial of if you're not convinced from the arguments?

Quote from: Myleschetty on November 04, 2021, 02:42:48 PM

That's one of the major disadvantages of decentralization.

That their thread isn't deleted? No, it's due to the lenient rules of bitcointalk.

Quote from: Myleschetty on November 04, 2021, 02:42:48 PM

This is what most Bitcoin enthusiasts don't understand from my thinking I believe it is the work of some altcoin project owner (people like Ver who said "he can believe people think BTC is the real Bitcoin") who sees Bitcoin as hindrances to their project bloom.

Okay... But, it doesn't answer on what you've quoted.

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He has a way with words, and the way he's trying to spin out some information that favors him is really something else. That's what crooked people do, and that's what they do best. They try to hide their wickedness by convincing other people to protect them. Or, he's paying these people to support whatever nonsense he's spewing on the internet, but that would be far-fetched considering that there are still tons of them everywhere.

It may just be another case of fanaticism knowing how gullible people can be. It's quite sad, really, but then again perhaps they have vested interest in CSW as holders of his coin.

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Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on November 03, 2021, 03:32:22 PM

Whose topic I still don't get why it isn't deleted

That's one of the major disadvantages of decentralization.

Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on November 03, 2021, 03:32:22 PM

I don't understand what's the incentive of those people on continuing this propaganda. Do they really consider their arguments valid?

This is what most Bitcoin enthusiasts don't understand from my thinking I believe it is the work of some altcoin project owner (people like Ver who said "he can believe people think BTC is the real Bitcoin") who sees Bitcoin as hindrances to their project bloom.

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He’s a con-man isn’t he. People who go by that trade are very convincing, it’s what makes them good crooks. We all know what he can do to prove he’s Satoshi & he can’t do it. He can’t move funds or sign an address from an early mined block because he’s a liar. The sooner he’s forgotten about the better.

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I have never really understood this myself. I have actually had a short conversation with him via Twitter once and my question was about smart contracts. He told me that he implemented smart contracts into bitcoin "from day one". Now if you read through Satoshis post on here you'll see that he talks about not having time being able to do this. Just one of many reasons why I don't believe this clown.

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For now I still don't believe that Craig Wright is the inventor of Bitcoin or often called Satoshi Nakamoto.
Until now I have not received certainty that can convince me to believe that Craig Wright is the inventor of Bitcoin. I will continue to seek more accurate information about this news, hopefully in the near future we can get more accurate information so that all the truth is revealed.

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Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on November 03, 2021, 03:32:22 PM

I read tweets about bitcoin since I follow mostly bitcoin related accounts, but I have to admit; there's a ton of BSV supporters. I mean, many, not just a bunch of bots or Craig and his BSV bitcointalk accounts. (Whose topic I still don't get why it isn't deleted)

Seriously, just search for “Craig Wright” in Twitter.

I don't understand what's the incentive of those people on continuing this propaganda. Do they really consider their arguments valid? Are they convinced that Craig is Satoshi even though there are numerous accusations that suggest otherwise? Do they get paid for doing it somehow? I haven't ever met a person who supports it in real life, but I can imagine they'll have some sort of disorder to do it.

Craig has been on a rampage ever since Wired and Gizmodo brought him onto the news in 2015 saying he could be the real inventor of Bitcoin. Truth is that till this day, he was not able to sign any of the wallets that supposedly belong to the real Satoshi. C'mon, if he was the real inventor, why would he support a fork of his own work and abandon the original? The guy is just a hoax and the real proof of that is Bitcoin Satoshi's Vision creation.

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Obviously I can't speak for the BSV peeps, but the way I see it: they've been so financially and emotionally invested in Craig Wright and BSV that they're pretty much in denial. I assume they've lost so much money(in BTC terms) if it's the case that they've converted their BTC to BSV, that it would be immensely painful for them to admit defeat, and accept the tremendous loss.

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Quote from: hatshepsut93 on November 04, 2021, 04:56:16 AM

Faketoshi is a product of block size debate, his supporters are generally people who hate the real Bitcoin and its developers.

Hate is a strong word, but I would say there are a lot of people out there who really disagree with with the fact that they kept the block size small and some other things.

As for CSW, I think a lot of people are missing the point that people want someone to follow. They need a leader. I really don't want to call them sheep since that's not fair to them. It's just how they were raised / educated.

Look at the Boy Scouts / Catholic Church after years of abusing kids people still support the priests and scout masters that did it. them. Don't get me wrong I am not saying don't support the Church or Boy Scouts in general if that is your thing. But these people are so ingrained to follow the leader that they keep supporting people who abused kids. That just blows my mind.
This is the same thing. IMO. CSW has taken their money and they want to give him more.

They can't wrap their head around the fact that a major currency was created by someone who didn't want fame and fortune and power, but rather just wanted to do something good and walk away.

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Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on November 03, 2021, 03:32:22 PM

I read tweets about bitcoin since I follow mostly bitcoin related accounts, but I have to admit; there's a ton of BSV supporters. I mean, many, not just a bunch of bots or Craig and his BSV bitcointalk accounts. (Whose topic I still don't get why it isn't deleted)

Seriously, just search for “Craig Wright” in Twitter.

I don't understand what's the incentive of those people on continuing this propaganda. Do they really consider their arguments valid? Are they convinced that Craig is Satoshi even though there are numerous accusations that suggest otherwise? Do they get paid for doing it somehow? I haven't ever met a person who supports it in real life, but I can imagine they'll have some sort of disorder to do it.

To be honest, BSV was not a bad currency if I look at it individually. Craig tried to solve couple of issues that is present in bitcoin today. However, the way he has marketed BSV, didn't go well with the community.

He claimed himself as Satoshi and then claimed the copyright on bitcoin whitepaper and then tried to launch his own currency as a magical reincarnation of bitcoin. That's what he did wrong.

If he had marketed his cryptocurrency in some different name without going into the war with the bitcoin community, I am sure it would have been much more successful.

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Faketoshi is a product of block size debate, his supporters are generally people who hate the real Bitcoin and its developers. We all know how tribal humans can be, so it's not strange that people would believe the most ridiculous claims when they come from someone who is opposed to the group that they also hate. CWS is not some genius liar and manipulator, he simply happened to be in the right place and the right time.

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Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on November 03, 2021, 03:32:22 PM

~ there's a ton of BSV supporters.~
~ Seriously, just search for “Craig Wright” in Twitter.~

Are they really "supporters" or believers in CSW lies just because they are talking about him? Have you ever looked through social media about other shitcoins from the biggest ones like ETH, XRP, DASH,... to smallest shittokens? There is a lot of posts about them too.

I'd argue that they aren't exactly "supporting CSW" or "believing" him, they are just pursuing their own interests which is their investment in a "bet" that they hope to get pumped so they can make money. They know very well that smaller shitcoins will get biggest pumps and if their advertisement works they can make a good amount of money.
99% of those who are advertising shitcoins don't even run the full node or even own an actual wallet of that shitcoin. They store it on exchanges! Why? Because they don't trust the software that shitcoin developers produce and also they want to be able to dump it immediately when the pump comes.

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This question needs to be asked to Garvin Anderson first, why he agreed to deceive people with CSW. He is not a good successor.

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Quote from: yazher on November 03, 2021, 10:36:14 PM

You're right and Craig Wright is a decent guy

What's decent about this liar? The way he throws lawsuits against poeple, the way he lies in court, the way he weasels his way out of every debate?

Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on November 03, 2021, 03:32:22 PM

I read tweets about bitcoin since I follow mostly bitcoin related accounts, but I have to admit; there's a ton of BSV supporters.
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I don't understand what's the incentive of those people on continuing this propaganda.

Bitconnect had a lot of supporters too, so did a lot of other shitcoins, there are thousands of poeple out there who tweet about tokens just in the hope the price will rise by 1 cent for a million tweets. The incentive is simple, $ What else? Do you think anyone would dedicate so much time over a shitcoin if it weren't for $? It's nothing different about those guys either, they got trapped with in some cases a lot of money now they have only one choice if they want to avoid losing even more.

Btw, its hash rate is around 400PH now, it's slowing getting into the range where a single major farm (not pool!) could take it out.

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Quote from: Darker45 on November 03, 2021, 07:46:01 PM

Just as there are people who put up altars and pray for Pablo Escobar, there are also people who truly believe Craig Wright is the real Satoshi Nakamoto. In other words, there are people who are extremely misled. Indeed, there's more than a handful of them. Calvin Ayre of CoinGeek is one of them.

What's amusing is that just as we are confused why these people believe in Craig Wright as the real Satoshi, they are also confused why we can't see the obvious thing that Craig is Satoshi. It's a funny thing.

You're right and Craig Wright is a decent guy who has a lot of money and connections. that's why some people believe in what he is blabbering about him being the real Satoshi. Unfortunately, these people will not go anywhere and as days pass, they will realize that they are on the wrong side where they only get false promises from him which will never gonna happen anyway. The only people left there will be those fools who still think they are now one step closer to changing the fortune of their life.

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What's hysterical about it is that there is a literal mountain of evidence that points to him being not satoshi.

I am curious if his followers have ever taken a look at 2 items off that list. It has been debunked over and over and over again that he is not satoshi.

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Quote from: Darker45 on November 03, 2021, 07:46:01 PM

Just as there are people who put up altars and pray for Pablo Escobar, there are also people who truly believe Craig Wright is the real Satoshi Nakamoto. In other words, there are people who are extremely misled. Indeed, there's more than a handful of them. Calvin Ayre of CoinGeek is one of them.

What's amusing is that just as we are confused why these people believe in Craig Wright as the real Satoshi, they are also confused why we can't see the obvious thing that Craig is Satoshi. It's a funny thing.

That explains why! And if you look at human history, stories like this one involving Craig Wright is actually a very popular theme, with Hitler in the WW2 as one of the most popular...people followed him like a god with their two eyes open and wide even approving the killing of millions of other human beings right in their doorsteps. Of course, am not really comparing Craig Wright to Hitler since the man never killed anyone but we can see similarities of this man's followers who are so convinced that he is the real Satoshi Nakamoto even if documents and events proved otherwise. Anyway, one thing more I can say is that we all have the right to be blinded anyway.

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Just as there are people who put up altars and pray for Pablo Escobar, there are also people who truly believe Craig Wright is the real Satoshi Nakamoto. In other words, there are people who are extremely misled. Indeed, there's more than a handful of them. Calvin Ayre of CoinGeek is one of them.

What's amusing is that just as we are confused why these people believe in Craig Wright as the real Satoshi, they are also confused why we can't see the obvious thing that Craig is Satoshi. It's a funny thing.

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You don't need to be convincing these days. You just need to be loud and obnoxious and suddenly lots of idiots will pay attention to you. Wright's only discernible talent is being loud and obnoxious (and dishonest). It isn't sustainable, though. And we're starting to see evidence of that.

Given the rate at which their shitcoin is collapsing, I don't think we need to worry about the dwindling number of supporters. Pretty sure the only ones left on board are the truly dishonest or truly ignorant ones. It's not possible for them to be just a little ignorant or just slightly dishonest. They're the absolute lowest of the low. And they'll get what's coming to them.

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Quote from: Coyster on November 03, 2021, 03:43:05 PM

they prolly aren't thinking critically like you want them to

It's not just critical thinking that reveals you the obvious. There's a dedicated development team about bitcoin's client, an even bigger team of people who work for the Lightning Network or other projects, this forum that contains sayings of inspiring people, signed messages by addresses Craig is supposed to own which reveals clearly he's a liar, an ideology that rejects single entities or people who influent the currency and ruin the beauty of decentralization.

It's not just critical thinking that misses from these people. They're also unaware of what's Bitcoin.

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Some people support a "thing" or an ideology without really understanding it, some people even basically go as far as supporting the person popularizing the propaganda, not caring about the authenticity or validity, just without foresight supporting the person spearheading the said propaganda, and as such, whatever it is such person presents becomes 'fact & true' to them, without research, making their own findings or even asking necessary questions.

I believe most of the people in support of Craig and whatever he says falls under the above, they prolly aren't thinking critically like you want them to, and then again some people like to be on the controversial side of things, they prolly do not wholeheartedly believe the arguments, but they basically just want to "stand on the other side", the rest of them maybe are earning from it in one way or another.

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I read tweets about bitcoin since I follow mostly bitcoin related accounts, but I have to admit; there's a ton of BSV supporters. I mean, many, not just a bunch of bots or Craig and his BSV bitcointalk accounts. (Whose topic I still don't get why it isn't deleted)

Seriously, just search for “Craig Wright” in Twitter.

I don't understand what's the incentive of those people on continuing this propaganda. Do they really consider their arguments valid? Are they convinced that Craig is Satoshi even though there are numerous accusations that suggest otherwise? Do they get paid for doing it somehow? I haven't ever met a person who supports it in real life, but I can imagine they'll have some sort of disorder to do it.

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