Don't, that is not the best way to go with mixers or anything. I have seen what that does, I have been part of a mixer campaign before that paid me, and binance asked me where I got the money from and threatened to block my binance account all together. So believe me, the whole world, the legit part of crypto, the companies basically, all see that as a risk, and no matter where you move that money from to where, you will end up with exchanges asking you about it.
This means, you will get your account frozen if you are not careful and you are going to end up with a lot of issues with your money. I would say find a p2p to exchange if you want, that way it would become someone else's problem but until then we are not going to end up with anything further, it is just not going to really change anything to use one.
Topic: What's the best way make your Bitcoin anonymous right now? "Mixers"? (Read 542 times)
November 17, 2024, 04:24:31 PM
November 17, 2024, 09:57:33 AM
however if you know of a miner who is willing to trade your coin for his fresh mined coin. you obtaining fresh mined coin without the fluff of mixer rounded mount tagging is better for you
Why should on earth any miner accept your dirty coins and give you their fresh mined coins? What's the benefit for the miner? Well, if you give them the double money, then they might think about it but otherwise, I think no miner will accept such an offer.You don't understand.
The miners are selling their coins to the mixers in exchange for a larger amount of dirty coins.
So they end up receiving about 2-5% more bitcoins without having to actually do anything else.
Mixers buy up clean coins at a loss because there is a demand for coins that can be placed in exchanges and other online platforms.
eXch also has a pool of clean coins they source from miners, payment processors, exchanges, etc.
There is a huge demand for this because it's basically free money for miners and others.
November 17, 2024, 05:37:29 AM
mixer can hide your wallet because mixer is work like a middle man but they help people to do money laundering that's why mixer has been banned on this forum.
Mixers weren’t originally created for crime, they were designed to make transactions harder to trace. In reality, transactions are never truly anonymous. However, because of their purpose, criminals saw them as useful tools for money laundering.Since mixers can’t be easily regulated, governments often crack down on them. That’s why regulators tend to view mixers as tools primarily used for money laundering, even if that wasn’t their original intent, because if its for money laundering, anyone using it is violating the law.
November 17, 2024, 05:05:29 AM
Just what the title says. I have some BTC that I want to hide the origin of.
Bitcoin is decentralized coin and it is not possible to know someone personal information whith Bitcoin public key if you don't tell someone about your wallet address. so why you should use any 3rd party way to make you anonymous for Bitcoin transaction. mixer can hide your wallet because mixer is work like a middle man but they help people to do money laundering that's why mixer has been banned on this forum. 
November 17, 2024, 04:10:37 AM
however if you know of a miner who is willing to trade your coin for his fresh mined coin. you obtaining fresh mined coin without the fluff of mixer rounded mount tagging is better for you
Why should on earth any miner accept your dirty coins and give you their fresh mined coins? What's the benefit for the miner? Well, if you give them the double money, then they might think about it but otherwise, I think no miner will accept such an offer.Some mixer claim they offer option to give their customer freshly mined coin. IIRC the fee is around 4% - 10%. So if they're not lying about it, i can see some miner would work together with mixer.
November 16, 2024, 09:35:22 PM
No!! Mixers don't work anymore, stay away from them. There is an easy way:
1 - get a Monero wallet (feather or mymonero)
2- get the tor browser
3- Swap your bitcoin for Monero (XMR). The best no-kyc exchange I think is xchange.me, they only charge 1%. They have a great tor website. Navigate here with your tor browser:
http://xmxmrjvjw3drvegm7m5gpqp3bsgp3x3bgc2x7jc76cacr74jhdwop7id.onion
4- Once you get the monero, movie it to a second monero address.
Because of how Monero works, your crypto is now fully anonymous. You can now swap it back for bitcoin or any other crypto, and your coins are untraceable.
1 - get a Monero wallet (feather or mymonero)
2- get the tor browser
3- Swap your bitcoin for Monero (XMR). The best no-kyc exchange I think is xchange.me, they only charge 1%. They have a great tor website. Navigate here with your tor browser:
http://xmxmrjvjw3drvegm7m5gpqp3bsgp3x3bgc2x7jc76cacr74jhdwop7id.onion
4- Once you get the monero, movie it to a second monero address.
Because of how Monero works, your crypto is now fully anonymous. You can now swap it back for bitcoin or any other crypto, and your coins are untraceable.
This is the right answer. Use a good no-kyc exchange like xchange over tor, rinse and repeat.
The good old one two switcharu! Monero was banned for any approved ransomeware payments some years ago by OFAC - it’s funny because threat actors will still demand ransoms paid out in Monero but it’s actually illegal to pay a legal ransom that has been negotiated by Incident Response firms and threat actors simply because it is untraceable.
November 16, 2024, 08:26:58 AM
Why should on earth any miner accept your dirty coins and give you their fresh mined coins? What's the benefit for the miner? Well, if you give them the double money, then they might think about it but otherwise, I think no miner will accept such an offer.
With a interest of a few percent, why would a miner not exchange his coins for others of the same value? After all, that's what mixers do. What do you think miners do with fresh coins, keep them forever for themselves?Also, who is reliable enough to claim that some coins are 'dirty'? Whitebit AML checker?
November 16, 2024, 06:18:12 AM
however if you know of a miner who is willing to trade your coin for his fresh mined coin. you obtaining fresh mined coin without the fluff of mixer rounded mount tagging is better for you
Why should on earth any miner accept your dirty coins and give you their fresh mined coins? What's the benefit for the miner? Well, if you give them the double money, then they might think about it but otherwise, I think no miner will accept such an offer.This thread is an obvious shilling for xchange.me.
A newbie who clumsily asks about a service is immediately followed by another newbie who suggests this service in almost every detail. Then, a user like JoseJosayyyy wakes up from a long period of inactivity to confirm that it was the right choice.
I thought I was the only one who was thinking that. Yes, sounds strange how OP got a long response immediately from DM.A newbie who clumsily asks about a service is immediately followed by another newbie who suggests this service in almost every detail. Then, a user like JoseJosayyyy wakes up from a long period of inactivity to confirm that it was the right choice.
Use mixers, if you can't afford to do that, you can make use of the gambling organizations, lastly, try to engage the use of bitcoincore over Tor.
There is a chance that he might get some problems because his money comes from a casino but that depends on where he deposits his money. By the way, most importantly, casinos shouldn't be used for that because they are for gambling, not for hiding your financial activity. November 16, 2024, 02:35:38 AM
I would probably use CoinJoin with JoinMarket or by running your own BTCPay Server instance and using their CoinJoin tool.
I have a question about this, though.
This is non-custodial, obviously, so you will need to provide your own UTXO sets, right? And a lot of them if you want to make some serious anonymity.
I imagine this is why this method is not more popular
November 15, 2024, 01:18:26 PM
I would probably use CoinJoin with JoinMarket or by running your own BTCPay Server instance and using their CoinJoin tool.
Kruw (a member on here) has posted some stuff about becoming your own CoinJoin coordinator but still waiting for a tutorial.
Here's some info I was able to find: https://stacker.news/items/582299
and another https://stacker.news/items/745364 where I asked him if he can write a tutorial on it but I don't know if he has yet.
Kruw (a member on here) has posted some stuff about becoming your own CoinJoin coordinator but still waiting for a tutorial.
Here's some info I was able to find: https://stacker.news/items/582299
and another https://stacker.news/items/745364 where I asked him if he can write a tutorial on it but I don't know if he has yet.
November 15, 2024, 07:08:12 AM
Nothing to do with that, it's just widely assumed now that Chainalysis and governments have technology that makes them obsolete, that they can track transactions through them.
Chain analysis can't do that yet. Governments were never able to do this on their own without enlisting the help of forensic firms.
Small coinjoins can be plotted using heuristics and enough compute power, but if you have thousands and thousands of UTXOs and coinjoin with that, then it is basically impossible to crunch all of that data currently.
Even if they could, there are mixers that hand you low AML score coins sold by other people. Like Jambler. There are others too, for more information, read my website.
November 15, 2024, 06:04:46 AM
What a happy coincidence that one new user had a question and two other new users answered it by recommending an exchange.
It's as if they all arrived here with this in mind...
It's as if they all arrived here with this in mind...
November 15, 2024, 06:04:41 AM
How can swapping be a solution at all? Swapping in practice means just "swapping" transaction history with someone else. This create more problems than before, as the future trades can be attributed to you. In court, you would have to confess that you swapped.
Now we should discuss what a swap is. If you deposit BTC on Binance, buy XMR with it and withdraw it to your wallet. Isn't it a swap in some way? Or any order at all on any exchange?In court, if it is necessary to prove the origin of money, it is quite irrelevant whether it is Bitcoin, XMR or Dollar. If you know that you will be in court for it at some point, then there is certainly no point in swapping anything, it is just a waste of money on various commissions.
Is there any way to go from BTC to XMR without swapping?
I guess a simple rename didn't work. November 14, 2024, 07:30:46 PM
How can swapping be a solution at all? Swapping in practice means just "swapping" transaction history with someone else. This create more problems than before, as the future trades can be attributed to you. In court, you would have to confess that you swapped. Is there any way to go from BTC to XMR without swapping?
February 13, 2024, 08:48:58 AM
No!! Mixers don't work anymore, stay away from them. There is an easy way:
1 - get a Monero wallet (feather or mymonero)
2- get the tor browser
3- Swap your bitcoin for Monero (XMR). The best no-kyc exchange I think is xchange.me, they only charge 1%. They have a great tor website. Navigate here with your tor browser:
http://xmxmrjvjw3drvegm7m5gpqp3bsgp3x3bgc2x7jc76cacr74jhdwop7id.onion
4- Once you get the monero, movie it to a second monero address.
Because of how Monero works, your crypto is now fully anonymous. You can now swap it back for bitcoin or any other crypto, and your coins are untraceable.
1 - get a Monero wallet (feather or mymonero)
2- get the tor browser
3- Swap your bitcoin for Monero (XMR). The best no-kyc exchange I think is xchange.me, they only charge 1%. They have a great tor website. Navigate here with your tor browser:
http://xmxmrjvjw3drvegm7m5gpqp3bsgp3x3bgc2x7jc76cacr74jhdwop7id.onion
4- Once you get the monero, movie it to a second monero address.
Because of how Monero works, your crypto is now fully anonymous. You can now swap it back for bitcoin or any other crypto, and your coins are untraceable.
This is a 100% way, since I watched an interview with a man in uniform and he talked about exactly such a money laundering scheme.
February 08, 2024, 02:54:34 AM
I've written a guide that might answer some questions raised in this thread:
How to make Bitcoin or any other Crypto fully anonymous in 2024
How to make Bitcoin or any other Crypto fully anonymous in 2024
Thank you very much for what you wrote but here it seems that your guide will not be needed.
February 08, 2024, 02:46:25 AM
If you want BTC without having it tied to some sort of KYC then the right way to do it has always been to mine it to a fresh address. It’s built right into Bitcoin. You can use p2pool type mining pools or go ham and get enough hashrate to mine solo. Using mixers is like playing Russian Roulette with your money.
February 08, 2024, 01:26:01 AM
just buy miners fresh coin rewards
end of story
end of story
February 08, 2024, 01:05:40 AM
No!! Mixers don't work anymore, stay away from them. There is an easy way:
Mixers are only banned from this forum. Mixers themselves are still working. Because of how Monero works, your crypto is now fully anonymous. You can now swap it back for bitcoin or any other crypto, and your coins are untraceable.
how should he swap them to keep them anonymous? using any centralized exchange would make them known to him again. which would kill the whole point. I think A Good mixer is still better than all these hassles.
I just converted the bitcoins to Monero using Xchange over the tor browser:
http://xmxmrjvjw3drvegm7m5gpqp3bsgp3x3bgc2x7jc76cacr74jhdwop7id.onion
and then sent them to a second Monero address. No need to use a mixer anymore.
January 29, 2024, 12:25:22 PM
how should he swap them to keep them anonymous? using any centralized exchange would make them known to him again. which would kill the whole point.
I think A Good mixer is still better than all these hassles.
I think A Good mixer is still better than all these hassles.
He has to use a privacy focused exchange for the btc <-> xmr trades.
For instance exch.cx
1. no typical kyc/aml policies
2. has an onion version, works without JS, no cloudflare
3. does not use 3rd party liquidity provider
You get to choose from 2 pools of btc as well; one having less chances of getting flagged by custodians but less privacy or more privacy but higher chances of getting flagged.
But a reputable mixer is okay too if you don't want the extra hassle.
January 29, 2024, 12:07:28 PM
Because of how Monero works, your crypto is now fully anonymous. You can now swap it back for bitcoin or any other crypto, and your coins are untraceable.
how should he swap them to keep them anonymous? using any centralized exchange would make them known to him again. which would kill the whole point. I think A Good mixer is still better than all these hassles.
What he suggest works since Monero is fully privacy token which means it’s untraceable once you already sent it to other Monero wallet.
He suggest to use a DEX to purchase monero using his Bitcoin in able to have a fully privacy monero to begin the wash. There’s no problem anymore if you will send it on centralized exchange or something that will expose your identity because the token is already clean. The whole point of mixing or chasing privacy is to erase the source of that token that will lead to you.
Not all user is mixing just to hide their money. Some are mixing to getaway from whatever shit they did just to acquire that particular Bitcoin.
The best we can do is use a manual centralized exchange such as BestChange or any similar site. but I am afraid that won't keep your privacy intact.
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January 29, 2024, 11:01:33 AM
Because of how Monero works, your crypto is now fully anonymous. You can now swap it back for bitcoin or any other crypto, and your coins are untraceable.
how should he swap them to keep them anonymous? using any centralized exchange would make them known to him again. which would kill the whole point. I think A Good mixer is still better than all these hassles.
What he suggest works since Monero is fully privacy token which means it’s untraceable once you already sent it to other Monero wallet.
He suggest to use a DEX to purchase monero using his Bitcoin in able to have a fully privacy monero to begin the wash. There’s no problem anymore if you will send it on centralized exchange or something that will expose your identity because the token is already clean. The whole point of mixing or chasing privacy is to erase the source of that token that will lead to you.
Not all user is mixing just to hide their money. Some are mixing to getaway from whatever shit they did just to acquire that particular Bitcoin.
January 29, 2024, 10:54:09 AM
No!! Mixers don't work anymore, stay away from them. There is an easy way:
Mixers are only banned from this forum. Mixers themselves are still working. Because of how Monero works, your crypto is now fully anonymous. You can now swap it back for bitcoin or any other crypto, and your coins are untraceable.
how should he swap them to keep them anonymous? using any centralized exchange would make them known to him again. which would kill the whole point. I think A Good mixer is still better than all these hassles.
Yes, right. Mixer is still open for service. In this forum, mixer promotions have indeed been banned due to several cases with the authorities for facilitating criminality in obscuring transactions which means that mixer promotions will not be displayed here. If the OP intends to use a mixer as a means of obscuring mixer transactions, perhaps one of the right alternatives is, to choose a good mixer, just check altcointalk and look at some of the reviews there.
January 29, 2024, 06:32:07 AM
No!! Mixers don't work anymore, stay away from them. There is an easy way:
Mixers are only banned from this forum. Mixers themselves are still working. Because of how Monero works, your crypto is now fully anonymous. You can now swap it back for bitcoin or any other crypto, and your coins are untraceable.
how should he swap them to keep them anonymous? using any centralized exchange would make them known to him again. which would kill the whole point. I think A Good mixer is still better than all these hassles.
January 29, 2024, 05:21:53 AM
I've written a guide that might answer some questions raised in this thread:
How to make Bitcoin or any other Crypto fully anonymous in 2024
How to make Bitcoin or any other Crypto fully anonymous in 2024
January 22, 2024, 01:50:23 PM
Well, infairness with the governments that have tracked down some of them. There's a likely that they do have some tools/technology.
Going with the monero conversion, no one argues about the cost of it because it's effective to hide your privacy as what everyone is telling about it.
As for OP, I'm sure that he's got the ideas already that have been mentioned by every member here which were the same.
Going with the monero conversion, no one argues about the cost of it because it's effective to hide your privacy as what everyone is telling about it.
As for OP, I'm sure that he's got the ideas already that have been mentioned by every member here which were the same.
Yeah, I converted to Monero using the method described in the first response, moved it between addresses, then converted back to a different crypto to send to the CEX. Worked great. Thanks everyone for the advice!
Use mixers, if you can't afford to do that, you can make use of the gambling organizations, lastly, try to engage the use of bitcoincore over Tor.
Expect that you'll be asked to comply for KYC when you do that with the casinos. They are aware that users might be using them to mix their Bitcoins through them.And if a user is new to them, that's why they're going to ask that user to complete verification if ever it hasn't been done yet.
January 22, 2024, 02:06:26 AM
You can't make Bitcoin anonymous because its blockchain is transparent. You can achieve varying degrees of privacy which almost always come with certain tradeoffs.
Mixers are custodial and closed source. You have to trust them not to steal your money or keep logs. Without having access to their source code it is difficult to verify how effective their mixing algorithms really are.
Coinjoins can be expensive and users often make basic mistakes like merging all their mixed outputs together, combining private coins with toxic change, or spending to a reused address which links them to their previous history.
Swapping to Monero in the most private and decentralized manner can be cumbersome and is not usually suitable for large amounts due to insufficient liquidity.
Other options like statechains, Lightning and sidechains have not gained much traction but they can be useful tools.
Using Bitcoin privately is difficult without it being the default on layer 1. Ongoing improvements will continue to be made. You should explore various options and decide which solution is most ideal for your needs.
Mixers are custodial and closed source. You have to trust them not to steal your money or keep logs. Without having access to their source code it is difficult to verify how effective their mixing algorithms really are.
Coinjoins can be expensive and users often make basic mistakes like merging all their mixed outputs together, combining private coins with toxic change, or spending to a reused address which links them to their previous history.
Swapping to Monero in the most private and decentralized manner can be cumbersome and is not usually suitable for large amounts due to insufficient liquidity.
Other options like statechains, Lightning and sidechains have not gained much traction but they can be useful tools.
Using Bitcoin privately is difficult without it being the default on layer 1. Ongoing improvements will continue to be made. You should explore various options and decide which solution is most ideal for your needs.
January 21, 2024, 09:09:12 PM
you can make use of the gambling organizations,
Most crypto gambling services implement KYC rules, there is no expectation of anonymity that way. On the other hand, they're centralizwd, there are more conditions and restrictions for withdrawing funds, you'll sometimes be violated by doing this by using the same account continuously. January 21, 2024, 08:26:58 PM
Just what the title says. I have some BTC that I want to hide the origin of.
Use mixers, if you can't afford to do that, you can make use of the gambling organizations, lastly, try to engage the use of bitcoincore over Tor.
January 21, 2024, 08:26:30 PM
Monero is a best privacy coin and you can use Monero $XMR as a middle cryptocurrency to gain privacy with Bitcoin.
With Bitcoin public ledger, all transactions can be traced and you must use inputs, outputs very cleverly to reduce your on-chain traces. Monero can help you to increase your privacy.
Find exchanges (no KYC), to deposit your BTC to, swap it to XMR. Move your XMR around and sell it to Bitcoin. Withdraw it to your wallet.
You can use Coin Join transaction if want to increase privacy more but be aware that some centralized exchanges are against CoinJoin.
With Bitcoin public ledger, all transactions can be traced and you must use inputs, outputs very cleverly to reduce your on-chain traces. Monero can help you to increase your privacy.
Find exchanges (no KYC), to deposit your BTC to, swap it to XMR. Move your XMR around and sell it to Bitcoin. Withdraw it to your wallet.
You can use Coin Join transaction if want to increase privacy more but be aware that some centralized exchanges are against CoinJoin.
January 21, 2024, 06:05:54 PM
Just what the title says. I have some BTC that I want to hide the origin of.
This thread is so tempting as one could unconsciously refer you to some specific mixers which might be faulting the forum rules. I almost did that lol…Still, yeah mixers are a service in the cryptospace that specializes in hiding those traces, those origin by using various process to mixing such as coinjoin and even mixing with there coins so yeah. Though mixers aren’t allowed to operate on the forum, they remain a service in the cryptospace and you could such that out on other forums or even by using google search engine, get acquainted with the patterns to usage and enhance privacy on your Bitcoin.
January 21, 2024, 06:03:56 PM
Yeah, I converted to Monero using the method described in the first response, moved it between addresses, then converted back to a different crypto to send to the CEX. Worked great. Thanks everyone for the advice!
just be cautious
when using a promoted CEX but its not a regulated CEX, . regulated CEX/analysis services know of known unregulated crypto services reserve /hot/cold wallet addresses and would tag your withdrawal from their wallet as suspicious so you might be on a watchlist
though general users cant tie you to a particular earlier deposit. there are monitoring/analysis services that do rate utxo's/withdrawals based on where funds came from.
so you may have changed the taint from your previous use, you may now have a different taint suspicion rating for different reason
the very best way is to swap coins privately with a fresh mined coin
January 21, 2024, 05:57:40 PM
Yeah, I converted to Monero using the method described in the first response, moved it between addresses, then converted back to a different crypto to send to the CEX. Worked great. Thanks everyone for the advice!
This thread is an obvious shilling for xchange.me.
A newbie who clumsily asks about a service is immediately followed by another newbie who suggests this service in almost every detail. Then, a user like JoseJosayyyy wakes up from a long period of inactivity to confirm that it was the right choice.
I don't know much about this exchange, I can see from the archives that they have been operating for several years, but this is certainly a bad way to draw attention to them.
3- Swap your bitcoin for Monero (XMR). The best no-kyc exchange I think is xchange.me, they only charge 1%. They have a great tor website.
This is not true. They went up in price
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The exchange fees for XMR and BTC have been increased from 1% to 2%, and for other supported cryptocurrencies, the fee is now 3%.
here is their statement https://xchange.me/news.txt
January 21, 2024, 05:27:36 PM
Mixers don't work anymore, stay away from them.
Most likely because the forum has banned them? I am assuming that you've said that they don't work anymore because of the recent ban that has been implemented about them here.I'd agree that one way is to convert your BTC into Monero and going on with coinjoin.
@OP, https://kycnot.me/ might help you.
Nothing to do with that, it's just widely assumed now that Chainalysis and governments have technology that makes them obsolete, that they can track transactions through them.
Monero is open source and only costs 1% to convert to, 2% max if you convert back, so why not be safe and do that instead?
Going with the monero conversion, no one argues about the cost of it because it's effective to hide your privacy as what everyone is telling about it.
As for OP, I'm sure that he's got the ideas already that have been mentioned by every member here which were the same.
Yeah, I converted to Monero using the method described in the first response, moved it between addresses, then converted back to a different crypto to send to the CEX. Worked great. Thanks everyone for the advice!
January 21, 2024, 04:55:16 PM
Mixers don't work anymore, stay away from them.
Most likely because the forum has banned them? I am assuming that you've said that they don't work anymore because of the recent ban that has been implemented about them here.I'd agree that one way is to convert your BTC into Monero and going on with coinjoin.
@OP, https://kycnot.me/ might help you.
Nothing to do with that, it's just widely assumed now that Chainalysis and governments have technology that makes them obsolete, that they can track transactions through them.
Monero is open source and only costs 1% to convert to, 2% max if you convert back, so why not be safe and do that instead?
Going with the monero conversion, no one argues about the cost of it because it's effective to hide your privacy as what everyone is telling about it.
As for OP, I'm sure that he's got the ideas already that have been mentioned by every member here which were the same.
January 20, 2024, 06:31:28 PM
using promoted mixers that reveal how they operate (people deposit in certain rounded amount and get out certain rounded amount) is the easiest way to get flagged as mixer used and tagged as a suspicion rating by services
however if you know of a miner who is willing to trade your coin for his fresh mined coin. you obtaining fresh mined coin without the fluff of mixer rounded mount tagging is better for you
benefits:
a. the only taint you have is 1 spend after coin reward
b. you can the claim to tax office you obtained coin from mining at X mining cost vs Y market price to reduce "paper gains" even if the hidden swap is from coins you obtained years ago
c. having no mixer tags services watch out for
to emphasis (B)
imagine you got 0.5btc in 2016 for $250 ($500/btc)
and now worth $21k($42k/btc)
if you cashed out you would have to claim gains of $20,750
however swapping for 0.5btc of fresh mined coins this week
you can claim your electric is (US $0.12c/kwh) which at 500exahash network hashrate is 0.5btc for $14k electric +$7.5k hardware to be "break even"
thus no cap gains
plus the onchain transaction taint can prove coins origins are from this years reward and not some other website withdrawal you dont want the tax man to know about
however if you know of a miner who is willing to trade your coin for his fresh mined coin. you obtaining fresh mined coin without the fluff of mixer rounded mount tagging is better for you
benefits:
a. the only taint you have is 1 spend after coin reward
b. you can the claim to tax office you obtained coin from mining at X mining cost vs Y market price to reduce "paper gains" even if the hidden swap is from coins you obtained years ago
c. having no mixer tags services watch out for
to emphasis (B)
imagine you got 0.5btc in 2016 for $250 ($500/btc)
and now worth $21k($42k/btc)
if you cashed out you would have to claim gains of $20,750
however swapping for 0.5btc of fresh mined coins this week
you can claim your electric is (US $0.12c/kwh) which at 500exahash network hashrate is 0.5btc for $14k electric +$7.5k hardware to be "break even"
thus no cap gains
plus the onchain transaction taint can prove coins origins are from this years reward and not some other website withdrawal you dont want the tax man to know about
January 20, 2024, 06:23:22 PM
No!! Mixers don't work anymore, stay away from them. There is an easy way:
1 - get a Monero wallet (feather or mymonero)
2- get the tor browser
3- Swap your bitcoin for Monero (XMR). The best no-kyc exchange I think is xchange.me, they only charge 1%. They have a great tor website. Navigate here with your tor browser:
http://xmxmrjvjw3drvegm7m5gpqp3bsgp3x3bgc2x7jc76cacr74jhdwop7id.onion
4- Once you get the monero, movie it to a second monero address.
Because of how Monero works, your crypto is now fully anonymous. You can now swap it back for bitcoin or any other crypto, and your coins are untraceable.
1 - get a Monero wallet (feather or mymonero)
2- get the tor browser
3- Swap your bitcoin for Monero (XMR). The best no-kyc exchange I think is xchange.me, they only charge 1%. They have a great tor website. Navigate here with your tor browser:
http://xmxmrjvjw3drvegm7m5gpqp3bsgp3x3bgc2x7jc76cacr74jhdwop7id.onion
4- Once you get the monero, movie it to a second monero address.
Because of how Monero works, your crypto is now fully anonymous. You can now swap it back for bitcoin or any other crypto, and your coins are untraceable.
This is the right answer. Use a good no-kyc exchange like xchange over tor, rinse and repeat.
Interesting. How long do these exchanges take, are they instant?
Pretty much, yes. You just have to wait for a couple confirmations, then XMR gets sent to you after a couple minutes.
January 20, 2024, 06:01:14 PM
Mixers don't work anymore, stay away from them.
Most likely because the forum has banned them? I am assuming that you've said that they don't work anymore because of the recent ban that has been implemented about them here.I'd agree that one way is to convert your BTC into Monero and going on with coinjoin.
@OP, https://kycnot.me/ might help you.
Nothing to do with that, it's just widely assumed now that Chainalysis and governments have technology that makes them obsolete, that they can track transactions through them.
Monero is open source and only costs 1% to convert to, 2% max if you convert back, so why not be safe and do that instead?
January 20, 2024, 05:48:54 PM
Mixers don't work anymore, stay away from them.
Most likely because the forum has banned them? I am assuming that you've said that they don't work anymore because of the recent ban that has been implemented about them here.I'd agree that one way is to convert your BTC into Monero and going on with coinjoin.
@OP, https://kycnot.me/ might help you.
January 20, 2024, 05:19:43 PM
No!! Mixers don't work anymore, stay away from them.
What do you mean by "mixers don't work anymore"?
I am not saying that using a centralized service is the best option, but it is wrong to say that they dont work. Some people still prefer to use mixers because of their ease of use.
Converting to Monero is just as easy, and actually anonymous! You don't have to trust that whatever "mixer" you're using isn't broken by governments or companies like Chainalysis.
January 20, 2024, 05:18:43 PM
No!! Mixers don't work anymore, stay away from them. There is an easy way:
You are wrong that mixers do not work anymore. They are still working.Yes, Coinjoin can also be used. Also converting bitcoin to monero and back to bitcoin will also work, but on decentralized exchange like https://bisq.network/, or he can go the easy way like https://exch.cx/.
January 20, 2024, 05:18:22 PM
Mixers don't work anymore, stay away from them
How mate? They were only banned from this forum. They still offer their services and you can find them on this forum Altcoinstalk
If you don't want to use mixers, you can go for coinjoins read this thread to know more about how it functions
CoinJoin: Bitcoin privacy for the real world]
Beginner's Guide to CoinJoin
It's pretty widely assumed that coins can be traced through mixers by companies like Chainalysis.
January 20, 2024, 05:17:23 PM
No!! Mixers don't work anymore, stay away from them.
What do you mean by "mixers don't work anymore"?
I am not saying that using a centralized service is the best option, but it is wrong to say that they dont work. Some people still prefer to use mixers because of their ease of use.
January 20, 2024, 05:15:20 PM
No!! Mixers don't work anymore, stay away from them. There is an easy way:
1 - get a Monero wallet (feather or mymonero)
2- get the tor browser
3- Swap your bitcoin for Monero (XMR). The best no-kyc exchange I think is xchange.me, they only charge 1%. They have a great tor website. Navigate here with your tor browser:
http://xmxmrjvjw3drvegm7m5gpqp3bsgp3x3bgc2x7jc76cacr74jhdwop7id.onion
4- Once you get the monero, movie it to a second monero address.
Because of how Monero works, your crypto is now fully anonymous. You can now swap it back for bitcoin or any other crypto, and your coins are untraceable.
1 - get a Monero wallet (feather or mymonero)
2- get the tor browser
3- Swap your bitcoin for Monero (XMR). The best no-kyc exchange I think is xchange.me, they only charge 1%. They have a great tor website. Navigate here with your tor browser:
http://xmxmrjvjw3drvegm7m5gpqp3bsgp3x3bgc2x7jc76cacr74jhdwop7id.onion
4- Once you get the monero, movie it to a second monero address.
Because of how Monero works, your crypto is now fully anonymous. You can now swap it back for bitcoin or any other crypto, and your coins are untraceable.
This is the right answer. Use a good no-kyc exchange like xchange over tor, rinse and repeat.
January 20, 2024, 05:05:54 PM
Mixers don't work anymore, stay away from them
How mate? They were only banned from this forum. They still offer their services and you can find them on this forum Altcoinstalk
If you don't want to use mixers, you can go for coinjoins read this thread to know more about how it functions
CoinJoin: Bitcoin privacy for the real world]
Beginner's Guide to CoinJoin
January 20, 2024, 05:03:10 PM
No!! Mixers don't work anymore, stay away from them. There is an easy way:
1 - get a Monero wallet (feather or mymonero)
2- get the tor browser
3- Swap your bitcoin for Monero (XMR). The best no-kyc exchange I think is xchange.me, they only charge 1%. They have a great tor website. Navigate here with your tor browser:
http://xmxmrjvjw3drvegm7m5gpqp3bsgp3x3bgc2x7jc76cacr74jhdwop7id.onion
4- Once you get the monero, movie it to a second monero address.
Because of how Monero works, your crypto is now fully anonymous. You can now swap it back for bitcoin or any other crypto, and your coins are untraceable.
1 - get a Monero wallet (feather or mymonero)
2- get the tor browser
3- Swap your bitcoin for Monero (XMR). The best no-kyc exchange I think is xchange.me, they only charge 1%. They have a great tor website. Navigate here with your tor browser:
http://xmxmrjvjw3drvegm7m5gpqp3bsgp3x3bgc2x7jc76cacr74jhdwop7id.onion
4- Once you get the monero, movie it to a second monero address.
Because of how Monero works, your crypto is now fully anonymous. You can now swap it back for bitcoin or any other crypto, and your coins are untraceable.
January 20, 2024, 04:56:12 PM
Just what the title says. I have some BTC that I want to hide the origin of.
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