Topic: What's the current state of replay protection for the forks? (Read 162 times)

Keep in mind what @LoyceV said in his initial reply. Without knowing how much BTC there were the BTG and BCD forks too.

If you already moved your BTC and are going to nuke that windows install anyway then installing some sketchy clients is not a big deal if you are talking more then a few dollars worth of coins.

Also depending where you are exchanging the coins you might be better off going fork -> BTC -> Some alt like doge / LTC -> withdraw instead of fork -> BTC -> withdraw since some of these sketchy exchanges have stupid high BTC withdraw fees.

Also, be safe make sure that there is NOTHING on that laptop that has any information that matters that can be compromised.

-Dave

It's somewhat worse than i expected. Although for electrum fork, you probably can run it directly from source code ./electrum-sv if you bother install all dependency manually.


Download ISO from Microsoft website and install it on VM usually is faster than waiting for windows update especially since it require several restart.

That's because many wallets are scams. People have lost their Bitcoins by installing malware infected wallets while trying to claim some Forkcoins.

Thanks mate, it's OK, I do have an old Windows machine I dusted off and can do it with. Taking hours to download a few years of security updates lol

Surprisingly, they are still there. There are no generalized MEV / replayer bots out there doing their thing?

Whether you think these forks have a use case or not, as someone coming back to the Bitcoin ecosystem after a while, it's difficult to understate how much damage these chains have done to the Bitcoin brand. I work in blockchain and should be an informed user, and it was confusing as hell even just searching for the correct "official" site and client. Many of them look like outright scams. Not in the "bcash is a scam" way, but they look like actual malware sites or MLM schemes. Incredible.

Good point, should probably check with a BSV explorer before doing anything else.
I wonder how much BSV is gone because of the lack of relay protection.

-Dave

To quote myself:

You can use the lack of replay protection to create a signed transaction on a BCH wallet, then broadcast it on the BSV chain. Here's how I did it:
Or maybe your coins moved already when you moved coins on the other chain.

I can make a windows machine with the electrum BSV client if you want and install something you can remote in with. Yes you have to trust me a bit, but if you have more then a few $ of it you might as well grab it.
Not a big deal I keep a couple of laptops around just for testing so it's a clean wipe after every use anyway.

PM or reply here.

-Dave

Update for anyone following along:

After securing my BTC, tried the following:

BCH
This was the easiest to manage, seems like there's an ecosystem that is alive at least. Electron Cash app seemed to work fine, forked coins were there and I was able to send to exchange and swap for BTC. Works as advertised.

Result = Claimed!

BSV
Looks like a dead ecosystem. The main website looks like bizarre propaganda for CSW, with little to no information about the technology. There is an electron fork that doesn't look maintained. Only have binaries available for Windows and Mac. No AppImage or deb file for Linux, have to build from source. Tried to build from source but it only supports up to Python 3.9.X. Tried to build with 3.10 but lots of errors. Doesn't look widely supported on exchanges and for the pittance I would be collecting here, my time is worth more than this.

Result = Abandoned.

eCash
No idea what this network is meant to be. They did a share split 1:1000000 so now everyone looks wealthy. There is an Electron ABC for Linux which appears well supported and I was able to claim my coins. Appears Binance supports this asset so I sign a transaction to deposit to my personal Binance. No block has been mined for over 40 minutes. Transaction is still unconfirmed. Feels dead.

Result = Pending, but likely abandoned.

Nothing else worth doing, already wasted too much time on these. Thanks everyone for all your comments, Merry Christmas!

As for BSV, your option for wallet and exchange would be very limited since it has ridiculous big blockchain size and so many controversy.


No specific recommendation, but i'd mention https://kycnot.me/ which list exchange with no or optional KYC.


Actually BSV is fork of BCH. Although since OP haven't touched his coin in years, he should have both BCH and BSV.

Since they are on a different blockchain, we cannot use the word swap. There are many non-kyc exchanges, and I used https://simpleswap.io with small amounts, so if the amount is less than $500, you can use them. for large amounts you can create a topic  in Currency exchange board and do By exchanging with a trusted member.

True, I guess I was adding context to a potential "why are you asking this in 2023?"

OP in your post this part was completely unnecessary, unless you want to draw attention to that part.

Congrats anyway

Welcome back after a long break!

Bitcoin Cash (BCH) and Bitcoin SV (BSV) are indeed the most notable forks of Bitcoin. There have been other forks, but their relevance and value are considerably lower. (like Bitcoin Gold or Bitcoin Diamond to mention some of em.)

Your proposed workflow is a good starting point.
Be sure to downlaod the wallets from the official sources, there are few scams out there. Verify the signatures while doing that.

Regarding ur question about non-KYC exchanges:
There are a few exchanges where you can trade without extensive KYC processes but most of them are limited when it comes to higher amounts. You can check them for example right here

Another workaround would be the use of decentralized exchanges (called DEXs): Some platforms create wrapped versions of non-Ethereum tokens, including Bitcoin Cash, that can be traded on DEXs afterwards.
On this way you have to take a few more steps to swap them back to BTC (while using cross-chain DEXs and/or bridges) but you wouldn't face a KYC process.

You may want to read LoyceV's Bitcoin Fork claiming guide (and service). Don't look at the Forkcoin prices in that topic, but the other information is still valid.

Last time I checked, BCH, BSV and eCash don't have replay protection. Get some Fork dust on each chain, and include that in your transaction to prevent replaying on another chain.
I used to include BTG and BCD too. Depend on how many coins you had it may or may not be worth the effort. Don't forget eCash, which is a BCH Fork but still worth something.

Correct. Even better if you include offline signing. No need to risk your private keys on a hot wallet.

That's the way.

They exist, but I don't dare make recommendations. Do your own research, and don't trust them with more than you're willing to lose.

Haven't really logged in here for ten years! I recently was able to crack a RAR file containing an old wallet.dat after 5 years of work. What's the current state of all the forks and how to I protect myself while claiming them and swapping for BTC?

I assume only BCH, BSV are probably worth the time. Is the general workflow here:

1. Send the BTC to a fresh hardware wallet, wait for it to confirm. It's now safe.
2. Now download whatever fork wallets and claim those.
3. Send forks wherever and swap for BTC.

Are there any safe non-KYC exchanges where I can do the swaps?