Topic: What’s the nature of consensus? (Read 320 times)

See consensus means agreement in judgement or opinion Or group of people .Consensus is a decision making which support of the whole group for the decision.basically it is between two parties.

The value of Bitcoin is formed by consensus and common value. The consensus is also people's acceptance and recognition of bitcoin, and it is also where bitcoin's greatest value lies.
The development of Bitcoin fully proves the consensus mechanism for its survival. It is easy to form a consensus in the crypto world, and with the development of cryptocurrency and its influence, the human world is constantly being improved. Bitcoin has liberated people's minds, and more and more people have formed a consensus on Bitcoin.
Nowadays under the trend of digital economy, bitcoin's influence in the financial system is increasing. More people understand it and realize its value and importance. Bitcoin continues to change existing social life and helps us form a free, equal and orderly human world.

In my opinion, Bitcoin is a knowledge system completely different from the existing human knowledge system. So that most people think Bitcoin is quite difficult to understand. I don't understand the nature of Bitcoin and the role that Bitcoin plays. However, as Bitcoin has become more and more influential in the world's financial system, it is constantly transforming our existing world. More and more people are beginning to understand the value of Bitcoin. And spread Bitcoin-related ideas and knowledge in different ways. This is human progress.

The new concept of bitcoin is certainly confusing, at first I also thought that bitcoin is the same as the online payment system paypal, skrill or others, as long as there is a passion for learning then everything becomes clear, including our task to introduce bitcoin to people who don't understand.

Thank you, palle11, I understand what you mean, and I agree with you. Here, I propose a concept of "bit civilization" and predict the evolution of human civilization in the future. I pointed out more of a direction for Bitcoin's future development and proposed a consensus on building a new human order based on Bitcoin. In the future, the construction of this consensus will be a natural process, gradually formed in constant gaming. It does not need to be achieved through round tables or various treaties, but through the trust of more and more people.

Consensus is broad agreement; for example, on the question of civilisation that you addressed, some countries accepted it when it was introduced to them, while others remain in the dark ages. The core of civilization is economic growth and development.

In my opinion, the consensus is that the agreement of the two parties is similar to an agreement, for example, Mr. A has ip pro max and wants to exchange it for that coin, that ip is equivalent to how much worth of cryptocurrency that Mr. B owns. and both agree to that value is called consensus. Most of this consensus occurs when the value of that cryptocurrency is not yet listed on an exchange and is only exchanged internally.

I see you are making a long thread that is looking boring for contribution but reacting to the above about new world order in btc civilization, I don't expect that it will be a consensus effort. If this will happen, it will take a natural process and not humans organising and agreeing on it in a round table discussion, conference or treaty requiring appending of signature, no. The financial system is going to revolutionize itself.

Example with the world order that the US have been pointed to be the carrier has been problematic even yet as China is battling with trade war with America and different countries in east developing nuclear weapon and that world order has not been successful.

Going back to btc civilization as your topic, it must be a natural process and not by agreement. We remember in 2020 how covid-19 took the world into a new normal, from quarantine that is still going on , wearing of face mask, working from home, vaccination etc and the biggest of all, a new and emerging financial system that is blowing up the internet, that is cryptocurrency. This is now having effect on countries trying to chase the tides of cryptocurrency through their digital currency. It was natural from covid-19 pandemic.

Many human confused with the concept of bitcoin mechanism with the real life. Some were earned good knowledge in trading from loss. Once they learn the sequence and chat. Surely they won't lose untill, unless you quit. Quit at the beginning is not a wise idea by the traders at any circumference.

Thanks for the questions raised by both of you, here I will explain my point of view again. In physics, entropy is a very mature concept, which is the second law of thermodynamics. Our entire universe is currently in a state of increasing entropy, unceasingly disorderly, and eventually dying. Life in the universe relies on the input of cosmic energy to fight against entropy increase, which is a process of entropy reduction. For example, we eat food every day to deliver energy to our body and maintain our body's entropy reduction. Bitcoin is also an entropy reduction system, which supplies energy to the Bitcoin network through mining and maintains the order of the entire Bitcoin system. At the same time, the essence of consensus is also orderly. When everyone reaches a consensus on one thing, it is to gather disorderly opinions into an orderly consensus.

My 2 cents ... Well noticed, but you forgot to mention why RainbowKun is contradicting his own claims ... one of two things occurs to me ... [1] either he is twins by horoscope [2] or he is really tired of the trivial conversations of this section. Although, perhaps I will send a link to this thread, a few peoples who are constantly complaining about the lack of interesting reading and discussions.

Why do I have a feeling that you’re just paraphrasing ecological Marxism and the “Heat death of the Universe” concept?

However, I don’t follow you entirely. According to your beliefs:
And, at the same time:
And since entropy is the measure of chaos, consequently, this means that orderly human society will increase entropy and, eventually, lead to extinction of the universe.

And finally, in the end, you state:

So a logical derivative from all these statements is that Bitcoin facilitates Universe extinction.

You might want to reduce some entropy in your thoughts and make them more orderly organized (no offense)

We would then be talking about sustainability, up to the point of reaching 100% sustainability - you may call that making peace with nature or reaching a consensus with Earth which sound a bit more New Age and ethereal. That may prove itself quite difficult, carbon emissions are just a tiny part of the equilibrium, yet the aspect that may call more everyone`s attention right now.

I get your point, bitcoin builds order into an otherwise disorderly transaction system. If you think of it, a proof-of-work algo links directly to the need of exerting work to create order. Interesting concept.

Yes, Bitcoin brings people from different schools of thought together to discuss the simplest and most basic rules, and finally reach a consensus in the collision of ideas. However, on the other hand, the Bitcoin community promotes minimal governance. Because Bitcoin already has a strong community consensus, and different stakeholders participate in it. This makes it difficult to make major changes to the Bitcoin network. Any upgrade of the Bitcoin network may take years of gaming and finally reach a consensus step by step. A little carelessness may cause division.

I don't think there is compatibility in Bitcoin apart from a minimum level of consensus, with everyone doing their part to check things out and exclude things that violate the basic protocol and build on the longer chain.

Consensus is the result of voting, and therefore consensus can change the basic rules and laws. For example, if people agree to increase the number of bitcoins to 100 million, this will not happen.
Bitcoin also brought together many people from different schools of thought on simple basic rules.

The right consensus that produces the right kind of order, harmony, goodness, peace, forbearance, kindness, etc will end up being Love for GOD (the CREATOR of this World & Heavens) and love for people. If you Love the CREATOR you will not abuse/misuse HIS CREATIONS, you do what pleases HIM always. We will be guided by this golden rule (Love GOD and Love People) and we can be judged by it. I don't see why Blockchain Consensus shouldn't be guided by the golden rule. Consensus can be based on it.

In the early stage of human civilization no consensus was met because we keep seeing lots of modifications from different world developers. Many had to embrace the new era then after seeing series of development and how contributive those innovation was to their existence even until now many still fight against human civilization but for bit civilization I guess a strong consensus was met because the data the put is actually what the all agreed on.

Hi, yhiaali3, thank you very much for your attention to my point of view. Here, in response to your questions, I will give a simple answer. Yes, as you said, it is easy to reach a consensus in the crypto world, but it is difficult to reach a consensus in the human world. However, we can now clearly find that the influence of the crypto world is increasing, and the existing human world is constantly being transformed. We can clearly see that DeFi has developed vigorously in 2021, and more and more traditional investment institutions have begun to embrace DeFi and decentralized finance. At the same time, various types of NFT projects are constantly changing human art, education, sports and culture. There are also various DAO organizations that have begun to rise and begin to transform various types of organizations. These all belong to the idea of ​​Bitcoin or the consensus of the crypto world.

Our current world is full of wars, hatred and malice, and different countries have different national interests. How can human society reach a consensus on the power of Bitcoin? In my opinion, it is the power of the people, the power of ordinary workers. When Bitcoin was born, I think the most important thing is to liberate human minds and give ordinary working people real freedom of thought. Everyone who truly loves Bitcoin from the bottom of their hearts will force political and economic reforms. We often see a word called Bitcoin Revolution or Blockchain Revolution. However, this kind of revolution is not a violent revolution, but is forcing social change through technology and technology. When more and more people have Bitcoin consensus and Bitcoin ideas, this trend will become stronger and stronger, until the entire society is finally transformed. This cannot be blocked by any single force.



Hi, paxmao, here, you have a very good understanding of entropy. However, in my opinion, the current order of human society is based on the disorder of the entire earth. At present, human beings have not achieved peace with nature, on the contrary, they are built on the basis of continuous destruction of nature. This is why various countries have to reduce their carbon emissions in recent years. The reason why I wrote this article is to show that the essence of consensus is order, which is entropy reduction. Bitcoin has also built an entropy reduction system to make data more orderly. I hope that through the dissemination of some ideas, more people will realize the value of Bitcoin.

I think your are mixing concepts here. Entropy grows at universe level, as far as we know to date, and, eventually, unless we discover something else, it seems that it will end up as simple radiation in a cold, dark nothingness.

Now, that is different from the entropy of human society and has little to do with the bitcoin consensus mechanics. Order a chaos are historically the way humans advance - I dare say progress. As the number of living people increase, there is a permanent increase in entropy, but at the same time there is a permanent increase in units that deliver work. The cohesion, organisation, management and governance of societies decides which factor weights more.

Bitcoin has grownTremendously over the years.
It has all it takes to overthrow fiat money but,the world's system has long been built on these..,to be realistic,it might take a while but in one SOLIDARITY, I know for sure that crypto has come to stay

Just like Tulip mania, everyone reached consensus that it is a way to get rich quick. Here it is the same, only the time frame is different: Tulip mania could last maximum a year, while bitcoin mania could last for decades or forever, if the fiat money supply keep increasing exponentially

I told you in your previous article that consensus is easy in the world of crypto, but it is difficult or impossible in the world of humans, I did not fully understand until now how do you expect consensus to occur in the human world through the spread or acceptance of Bitcoin? Is it enough for Bitcoin to spread and accept it around the world for the consensus you are talking about to be achieved? I did not understand how humans would be able to obtain consensus while wars, hatred, and malice were spreading among the human race? I also did not understand how there can be consensus among countries? Can powerful and rich countries give up their international standing, power and civilization to poor countries? Can there be consensus in choosing one leader who will lead the whole world through one rule, one decision and one laws?

Consensus is general agreement, like on the issue of civilization that you raised some Countries  accept the civilization when it was brought to them while some are still in the dark Era. The essence of civilization is growth and development for the economy.

The most widely spread consensus in the world currently could be English language, it is just a universal way of communication

But that was established during the phase of colonization for centuries, to establish similar level of consensus on bitcoin is much more difficult, currently only prevail in IT nerds and some financial people who have very good IT knowledge

The Olympic spirit reflects the development of human civilization from one aspect, as well as the consensus on the concept of truth, goodness and beauty and harmonious development---faster, higher, and stronger.

The consensus I understand is the spirit or order that everyone is willing to abide by.

For every sovereign country in the world, the consensus is how to achieve the balance of interests of each country, rather than power politics like the United States. A large part of the United States' power comes from the currency hegemony of the US dollar. The key to solving this problem is to rebuild the trust mechanism. Therefore, the essential meaning of consensus is how to establish a global trust system.


Human desire is entropy increase, and human reason is entropy decrease.

Bitcoin is a powerful external force that generates consensus. It is a great attempt to solve the power center, hegemony center, economic center, and technology center. This is a transition from a human trust system to a trust system based on algorithms and technology (smart contracts).


This consensus is a clear, reasonable, and impeccable logic. The ultimate goal of the consensus is decentralization, efficiency, and security, which is a more stable iron triangle.

Yes, the essence of consensus is the resonance of one's own thoughts with the thoughts of others. Each of us has independent thoughts. Many times we have different thoughts among different people, and the whole is disordered and chaotic. But when different people agree with a similar point of view, everyone's disorderly thinking becomes orderly, and everyone reaches a consensus on this issue. Yes is collective consciousness, collective decision-making, collective consensus. The most valuable thing is collective consensus.

Consensus is essentially the resonance of one's own thoughts and the thoughts of others.
The importance of the consensus mechanism is that it can produce rules that have the final say. Everyone finally did what the rules said together, and the choice of the rules was decided by everyone.
It can also be said that the consensus mechanism indirectly yields the result of the decision.
But Bitcoin consensus can only be popular in the cryptocurrency world. At present, it cannot be popularized in daily life.

As is mentioned previously, Bitcoin marked a new civilization for humans, I named it Bit Civilization. It’s a more advanced civilization based on Bitcoin thought. It will transform all facets of human society, including but not limited to organization, family concept, tool, language, word, belief, law, system, city-state, country, assets, ethics, culture and art.


As far as I'm concerned, substantially, human civilization is consensus, so is Bit Civilization. The simplest explanation of consensus is shared knowledge, view, understanding and goal, which will temporarily eliminate differences and ease contradictions, rendering collaboration possible.

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I think the essence of consensus is order, is entropy decreasing.


Reaching a consensus is going from disorder to order, a process of entropy reduction requiring continuous input of energy to end chaos and disorder. Attaining consensus is creating value as well, it's coining a new human civilization.


Human civilization evolves in constantly shaping consensus. That inevitably entails energy input. Therefore, the process of reaching a consensus is the process of establishing civilization. Essentially, through the consumption of energy, the disorder becomes order, the reduction of entropy is realized and the increase of entropy is resisted. That is the ultimate secret of human civilization that I found.


Clear direction, shared idea, common goal, gathering wisdom and strong consensus are the most basic means and driving force for the continuous development of human civilization. Human society's entering Bit Civilization is no immunity when Bitcoin was born. The process of establishing Bit Civilization is the process of spreading Bitcoin consensus. A new order for human civilization will be established with the unceasingly strengthening consensus on Bitcoin.


The process of civilization establishment signifies the endless conversion and consumption of energy in the universe. Energy will not be generated out of thin air, only by conversion and consumption. Every time anything happens in the world, some energy in the world will dissipate accordingly. The total value of entropy in the universe will increase until the energy of the universe is completely exhausted, the universe falls into extinction.


We eat every day, absorb energy from food, in exchange for survival. And then we learn, obtain knowledge and wisdom, and use this knowledge, wisdom, time, energy, physical strength, etc. to transform the world. Small life has a small energy cycle system, and the large has a large one. The entire earth also has its own energy cycle system and the same is true for human civilization.


The evolution of the entire human civilization now aims at building an orderly and organized human society with the help of external energy. That is a course of building consensus and achieving entropy reduction, which needs the supply of energy. Human civilization's ceaseless entropy reduction is founded on the entropy increase, the chaos and disorder of the earth.


After the industrial revolution, science and technology developed explosively, new technologies emerged one after another, technological strength became stronger and stronger, and the development level humans had to nature grew higher and higher. Human society appears to be more and more civilized, yet the damage of nature turns more and more serious. The more civilized and orderly human society appears, the more chaotic and disorderly nature seems.


The greater the energy consumption of human society is, the more entropy will be produced. Therefore, human society will always be in a state of contradiction: the entire society becomes more orderly and rigorous but disorder and chaos continue to breed in the dark. We just rely on larger energy input to suppress the accumulation of entropy, which is exploding in various aspects: garbage pollution, global warming, melting glaciers, land desertification, PM2.5, species extinction, virus proliferation. All these are manifested on merely the material level. Spiritually, the proliferation of all kinds of useless spam on the Internet, the invasion of the human mind and the accumulation of assortments of negative emotions. Those things happen for some reason.


Our current society and civilization have arrived the most dangerous moment. Personally, this pandemic is essentially a response to the increasing entropy of the earth. If human civilization hankers after a better future, they must accomplish a true order that is not on the basis of the destruction of nature. Otherwise, humankind will certainly go to extinction in the end.


When Bitcoin was born, a new technical consensus based on mathematics and algorithms came into being, providing a new direction for human civilization with an optimized governance model. It renders human civilization more orderly, thus human civilization can coexist with nature. That is the true evolutionary direction of human civilization, as least for me.


All in all, the essence of civilization is consensus, and that of consensus is order, is entropy reduction. To build Bit Civilization, we must establish a new human order centered on Bitcoin, which is not limited to the currency field but for all aspects of human civilization. What do you think?