Topic: What's wrong with huawei? (Read 458 times)

could become a security threat is more important to consider

That is quite hard to achieved with the current situation. Understanding both parties makes it easier for us to define why they are actually doing it.

China is trying to dominate the market and it might be very unethical but actually doesn't matter to them. They are very convinced that they are way more stronger than US and is very willing to do anything to prove it. The best way to do it is the tech market.


On the counterpart, US is also very much willing to do anything to remain on their power sets.

The main issue here is that Huawei is being used to spy the US government's invention which threatens their security. Therefore they have the full rights to take action to protect their interest. That for me is just a fair judgement. If you are going to think about how China block all the products and services from US to protect their interest as well why was that never been a world issue?

I am not a pro US but their stands towards this is just clear and just in my opinion

I don't know the whole story behind this. But I think the stubbornness on both parts is the main problem. To fix the situation they neet to start cooperating

You never really know the agenda and possible propaganda.

Russia a few weeks ago signed a deal with Huawei to develop the country's 5G infrastructure. And today Putin said that the US wants to weaken China with its sanctions on Huawei. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/06/putin-sanctions-huawei-intended-weaken-china-190620193042721.html

Huawei now examines their cooperation with FedEx in a continuing situation of the Trade war between the US and China.
China also investigates whats going on with FedEx as there are indications of law violations.
In my opinion, governments just tense these situation to the business environment which is so bad for the global economy.

immoral = wrong

That is immoral indeed, but others can build on that innovation, so it leads to global innovation. If you neglect borders/constraints.

Regardless of what avenue they get the technology, this avenue is still not legal and falls firmly within the realm of espionage.

I've heard they buy/trade the technology from Israel who has easy and free access to everything the U.S. has.  Even that mode is becoming obsolete also as our tech companies simply move their jewels to Israel and effectively become Israeli companies.  When the Belt and Road come on-line we'll be worthless and Israel will just switch hosts.  We are so fucked.

Unfortunately Huawei is using espionage to obtain most of it's innovation.

what’s wrong: thats a matter of perception.

On a abstract level, there is nothing wrong, because knowledge results in innovation.

The finer detail is that the communist government is funding all these projects under the cover of a company and countries like US will protect their companies and put an end to the dictator style in which they are gathering momentum powering these front companies to take over the entire market, India is known to have a corrupt government and they will bend when the amount of money showered is right in the form of lobbying and this move by president Trump is the wisest decision he made to protect their own companies.

According to my knowledge, The Chinese telecommunications company Huawei is under scrutiny around the world over concerns that its close ties with the Chinese government present national security threats to the U.S., Europe and allied countries. President Donald Trump has issued an order for banning any electronic or digital technology that the Secretary of Commerce is a national security threat, a move widely viewed as Huawei. In January 2019, the U.S. Department of Justice charged the company and its chief financial officer, Meng Wangzhou, who is also the daughter of the company's founder, with fraud.

This is a very good point I have seen no one addressing. China bans 3 international companies before breakfast every day and no one bats an eye... Suddenly when Chinese companies get banned it is a "travesty" and "unfair".

Huawei has been allegedly doing dual use technology (50% spying 50% market sharing). Huawei's 5g infrastructure is also not safe from dual use technology therefore it is also being banned from other countries, such as Australia, NZ, JAPAN, Great Britain, Canada, Germany and the said uproar from India and Italy.



You just have stated that if this is a move from US to control the market and win over their computation losing 50%  of their profit from Huawei's phone is not completely stupid. Taking control or having such dominance will lead to more revenues and that is how a certain business works.

Aside from that keeping their ecosystem safe from the chinese virus is just worth it. What is completely stupid is allowing this jerks use their devices for their gains that is completely against the national rules. Plus China has been banning US companies such as google therefore there is nothing wrong for banning this Giant Tech even for no reason.

US will surely loss some profit maybe 50% or less but one thing is for sure Huawei will lose more, in short Huawei for now loses the game.

How is the Wannacry virus was an exploit. All OS, software have exploits, there's really no way around it. They patched it, and the only ones affected where companies that were running old OSs and did not update their systems.

The usual Cold War politics. It sucks for the American companies that had to do the R&D though only for it to be stolen. I sure hope Huawei suffers here. Would make companies on both ends of the Pacific more careful.

Chinese companies MIGHT be forced to play fair though. Their government would still probably try to protect them but their be more cautious of possible backlash.


Is this even possible for a Chinese company based in China? If we think the US government have authoritarian leanings, then the Chinese even more so.

I agree that the Chinese practice in the trade was unfair but there is no evidence until now that Huavei is any security threat.
Is there any evidence for that claim?
I don't think so.
Any way, honestly, I do not believe either in China or in America here.
Both countries simply struggle for leadership in the world and are not interested in a fair fight.

Well yes of course, though I don't agree with this in the least -- though I do know that Trump will cave in order to get a deal on something like this.

The Chinese government is going to want Huawei to have their original market share -- that was in place before the ban -- so they can use their market power to probably backdoor stuff into European (and some American) networking, phones, etc. So this is going to be one of the things they want lifted to finish negotiations -- sad, but that's the truth of world trades.

Hopefully, we'll see some intellectual property protections enforced by the Chinese government after all of this -- I won't be holding my breath though.

i would not be surprised to see that even that communist government was using a lot of the small platforms like tiktok to collect or dig a lot of personal data from the users.
https://www.techinasia.com/chinese-apps-collecting-data

Here's a result that released by CCA
http://www.cca.cn/zxsd/detail/28309.html

the americans are going the same way the british went in europe,

the british became the sick man of europe and had an uncompetitive industry, while germany outcompeted everyone.

imagine amerians have to use iphones instead of huawei

I would agree with you that the real reason for this ban is because of security matter but this is only pressure on China in trade negotiations and nothing more.
I think this ban will soon be abolished as soon as an agreement is reached.

None os will ever be compatable with android.

I don’t think anything is wrong with Huawei, it’s just a trade war which will be beneficial for Huawei in a long run. They have made their own os system and will help them elevate their market share.

I think this is just part of the war that the US and China have, trade war. Huawei is one of the best and known brands of phones and they even made laptops that some people say is surprisingly amazing. After this, some say that Huawei can still continue on their own, not only because of the 90-day exemption until August but because of Huawei said that they stock hardware for 3 months. But even that, it is said That some of the hardware and software are from US, and if Huawei will be on their own, that will be hard since people will not be able to use apps that they are not used to. Just imagine a phone without facebook, google, and play store, not even Netflix and Amazon.

I think that huawei is just the victim of the US- Chinese government trade war.
It is one of the biggest (or not the biggest) chinese company which makes exports to the US, so Trump decided to give a hit to China through Huawei. I believe that Huawei will find their way to get out of this without much damage.

While I will show some skepticism to say that yes, maybe this is a power move by the US to flex their dominance over the tech market -- but I cant see it as something like that personally, because these Chinese companies have simply ripped off American tech companies and have used their tech to undercut them. They should be punished for that, as it's not fair in the least to the companies in America.

Calling the US dumb isn't bright at all, China needs the US more than the US needs China. The US could simply divert their factories to other Asian countries, China could be left in the dust like this. There are many other countries in Asia that would love to have this lucrative business.

Huawei must be reigned down upon, they're not a good company in the least. They STEAL FROM OTHER COMPANIES AND RIF PEOPLE OFF.


US Presidents should have cracked down on Chinese violations a LONG time ago.

Nothing is wrong with Huawei
Actually, it's the trick or manipulation of President Trump to force China to give up in the trade war between the two countries.
When China does what he wants, Trump will allow Huawei to operate in America without any restriction.
It's about politics, not security, don't be naive!

So the U.S is doing their way again. They wanted to keep their monopoly in the market of smartphones. This company is a threat to a US company and they have to do something with it. And that is to control the market and use their power abusively to win over their competition.

Rest assured that China is doing their part regarding this as well. The USA will blame Trump because of this. Because China is the only country they choose to manufacture their products. So in this act of U.S, it is like they just wasted 50% of their profit and that is so stupid.

Ooh, thanks for this. I'll have to read this at some point.

Not surprised to see contrasting views, as the government is obviously going to want them banned for security concerns + there is probably pressure from the US to ban them in favor of US carries such as Cisco. Though the companies in question (that are India's telecom industry) want Huawei because their products are so cheap.

It's a mixture of profit and security which is going to be fun to read about.

the suspicion around huawei is legit, the problem is that the americans created a habit of state control and abuse of the local tax paying corporations,

google also would have given the usa user data, around the chinese population searches.

huawei has to emanzipate itself examplatory from its government as one of the first chinese company if it wants to be popular worldwide.

Huawei is and wants to build 5G networks across the globe. Given it is essentially a business branch of the Chinese government, there are concerns about the risk this would create to security should there be some issue in the future. Also concerns about privacy of individuals - since we know how China rolls with privacy on things like the Social Credit system.

So Western countries are just a bit anxious to put their communication systems in the hand of a company with these connections. You could also imagine that in the future there could be a whole range of ways that 5G could be used that we don't even necessarily know about yet.

It is definitely a good idea to not trust Huawei - even if they 'might' be ok.

I don't remember the exact details of what was being written and debated in the media in those days. Though, on a quick search I found these articles which can be enlightening.

https://www.business-standard.com/article/economy-policy/relax-huawei-technologies-is-no-threat-to-india-s-national-security-coai-118121701124_1.html

If you read this articles, we will find contrasting views among the various agencies and regulatory bodies. Telecom Equipment and Services Export Promotion Council (TEPC) wants Huawei and ZTE banned because of security reasons but at the same time Cellular Operators Association of India (COAI) wants to welcome and appreciate Huawei. It is simple economics. COAI (the telecom operators) want their costs to be minimal in a race for profit and they have huge lobbying budgets and are ridden with debt at this point (courtesy launch of Reliance Jio). They need Huawei to supply cheap gear if they are to roll out 5G.

https://www.dailypioneer.com/2016/business/india-slaps-anti-dumping-duty-on-telecom-gear-from-huawei-zte.html

It's pleasant to see at least there's someone can see Huawei's dark side. Chinese company in general and Huawei in particular have long history of stealing technologies from tech giants of which they once were processing contractors. In Huawei's case, they not only stole Cisco or T-Mobile's but also stole Samsung's OLED or foldable screen technologies.

See a bigger picture, Huawei is one of the reasons in Trump's strategies to target China, besides imposing import tariff to Chinese goods and services or vetting trading partners for currency manipulation.


References: https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Samsung-supplier-indicted-in-leak-of-OLED-tech-to-China
                  https://edition.cnn.com/2018/11/30/tech/samsung-china-tech-theft/index.html
                  https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-05-09/u-s-to-vet-more-trading-partners-for-currency-manipulation

Going to have to agree with this, Huawei is 100% working for and cooperating with the Chinese government. They've given them immense leeway when it comes to IP violations, and they're a mega company that has given the middle finger to many large US companies. You're going to have to be in bed with the Chinese government to get away with that sort of thing (or be encouraged, for that matter)


So what you're saying is that people noticed massive security flaws in Huawei machines, but because of price everyone turned a blind eye-- that's great to hear.

I have not followed the finer details of the Huawei ban but I know the main contentions of the US Government. I remember there was a huge uproar in my country (India) a few years back about the use of imported Chinese telecom gears that were being manufactured by Huawei. There were major security flashpoints which was being raised in the security corridor and the debate was widespread. Obviously, our government had to finally let in Huawei sell those products because they were massively undercutting the price being offered by other companies (Nokia, Ericsson etc) and there was a huge lobbying pressure from the telecom operators in India to let them in.
 

Everyone should be wary of how Chinese government trying to influence a country using companies originated from their country. And the copying / stealing designs are rampant.

Huawei is not an independent entity, it is simply an arm of the Communist Chinese government. Furthermore 5G can be utilized in a plethora of ways that could undermine a nations privacy and PHYSICAL security. Essentially this conflict boils down to the fact that the USA will not tolerate the Chinese government deploying weapons systems across the world.

The real question is what isn't wrong with a company like Huawei. I'm beyond happy to see a company like Huawei removed from the US market.

Huawei, like most Chinese companies, leeches off of American companies and steal their tech -- because they are a Chinese company though they typically face zero retribution from the Chinese government, and the courts have to deal with their issues. For the record, in most other countries the country in question would protect global intellectual property (IP) but China doesn't do that, and that is one of the main things that Trump is attempting to clamp down on China for.

1. Cisco Patent Lawsuit -

 Huawei copied the source code of Cisco routers and switches to create their switches and then undercut Cisco in the market. It's pretty easy to undercut a company when you're stealing their tech, and you're able to cut out all of the research and development. It must be noted that most companies won't sue Chinese companies (like Cisco did here) because the Chinese owned national media companies will ruin you in the press. That is what was done here to Cisco, and Cisco even stated the following "the damage to Cisco's reputation in China outweighed any benefit achieved through the lawsuit"

2. T-Mobile Smartphone Testing Robot

Huawei yet again is stealing tech from another US company, this time they WALKED INTO T-MOBILES R&D FACILITY AND STOLE THEIR ROBOT. What they were going to do later was to reverse engineer this, and then use it on their phones so they wouldn't have to create this robot themselves. Huawei is ordered to pay 4.8m for industrial espionage.

Plus there are concerns that the Chinese government has a backdoor into their phones, and that Huawei is an agent of the Chinese government. Wouldn't be surprised if it came out that both claims are valid -- as they do seem to work alongside the government when it comes to stealing stuff from American companies (and the government protects them for it)


Check here - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Huawei - for tons more of these stories.

I'm confused about the huawei, US government, Chinese government and US corporations stances towards the company.

To be honest, the Chinese government probably have a lot of control over Huawei but no more than the NSA have over microsoft, intel, google and facebook. Look at the wannacry virus and how quickly that spread to notice how the US government fund flaws in Microsoft's Windows OS.

The 5G debate is an interesting one too. I don't see why we actually need it for starters, 50mbps is fast enough for virtually everything you want to do (I travel between capital cities and my phone loads in an instant when connected to data, why chase milliseconds - the server on the other end is still going to be pretty slow)? Anyway, even if huawei do provide 5G networks to places like the UK, I still don't see how they'll get very much power... This could all just be part of the trade war between Trump and the rest of the world, spreading random fud in order to ensure the US government can remain one of the strongest economies and  be able to keep track of everyone. Can huawei really do worse than Google or have I missed something?