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Quote from: John Abraham on June 05, 2023, 11:05:11 PM

I don't know if he is a kind of developer/programmer or whatever. How did he help Bitcoin? Of course, he helped build a business with Bitcoin which Bitcoiners appreciate. When some of us call him a scammer, people argue. Roll Eyes

Instead, they call him a pure businessman who adopted Bitcoin for his benefit and is still vouching for a centralized Token with no supply limit and no proof of work!

It doesn't really matter what he may have done for bitcoin in the past if you ask me. What matters is the scam he pulled in the end.
I'm not going to make accusations and I don't really care enough to find out what he has done in early years but one wonders whether his intentions were always to scam people. After all this is not the first time, the most recent case was Elon Musk who gained some popularity in the cryptocurrency world by speaking positively about bitcoin, even accepting bitcoin in his companies right before he started scamming people with pump and dumping shitcoins, namely Doge.

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Who knows what goes on in the mysterious mind of Roger Ver? Maybe he's just keeping us all on our toes and enjoying the thrill.

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We are talking about the guy that was called, Bitcoin Jesus and then he turned into Bitcoin Judas. (traitor)

He dumped the real Bitcoin (BTC) for Bitcoin Cash like it was nothing, showing his real commitment to making profit and not committing to the cause to support Bitcoin (BTC) addoption.

Now, Bitcoin Cash is not making him the profits that he expected, so he is jumping onto the next thing that he thinks, will make him big profits. Roll Eyes

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Quote from: pooya87 on June 04, 2023, 12:16:50 PM

they clicked on "buy bitcoin" and ordered "bitcoin" and paid for "bitcoin" hoping to receive "bitcoin" but instead they received a garbage called bcash. If that is not called a scam, I don't know what is!

Yet some people still love to vouch for him just because he was one of the early adopters. I don't know if he is a kind of developer/programmer or whatever. How did he help Bitcoin? Of course, he helped build a business with Bitcoin which Bitcoiners appreciate. When some of us call him a scammer, people argue. Roll Eyes

Instead, they call him a pure businessman who adopted Bitcoin for his benefit and is still vouching for a centralized Token with no supply limit and no proof of work!

Laszlo is famous for his 10K Bitcoin pizzas. How many of us know that this guy wrote the code for GPU Mining? How many of us know that He was the first Bitcoin developer to release the Bitcoin code for Mac OS? I thought Ver also contributed to the Bitcoin development and network somehow. But I found nothing on the Internet.

Quote from: ChiBitCTy on June 05, 2023, 04:59:08 PM

Just look at how he touts freedom of speech, yet his own website moderates comments, and will delete comments as they see fit ( comments that don't fit their agenda, of course).

Did you check his forum in recent days? There have been no posts made in the last six months. Online Stats shows 993 Online users, and 991 of them are guests Cheesy

. Only two registered users are online, and both of them are bots.

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What's wrong with Roger Ver loo, where to begin? Honestly I haven't heard his name or seen him pop up in the "land of cryptocurrency" in quite some time, which I of course am not upset by. Ver is and has always been full of shit. Just look at how he touts freedom of speech, yet his own website moderates comments, and will delete comments as they see fit ( comments that don't fit their agenda, of course).

I have zero interest in what Ver says because he lost all credibility a long time ago.

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Quote from: John Abraham on May 31, 2023, 03:07:26 AM

What's wrong with Mr. Roger ver? Did Vuterin Start Paying him to vouch for ETH? What is your thought?

A time always comes when every man must be compelled to do something right for once after so many years of doing the wrong things, though in this case, I personally think Roger ver is completely wrong to have assumed that Ethereum is driving adoption much more than bitcoin.
But atleast, him not taking about his scam bitcoin cash being the real bitcoin this time is really commendable.

But right now, I can't help but wonder what exactly moved him to believe that Ethereum is the coin driving adoption, or maybe he just loaded some bag of Ethereum coins, and wants to start shilling eth to see if the price would pump.

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Quote from: Learn Bitcoin on June 04, 2023, 11:29:24 AM

Quote from: Myleschetty on June 04, 2023, 10:48:27 AM

He even once said " I can't believe some people still think BTC is Bitcoin."
People like him shouldn't be trusted because they will always want to manipulate the market for their selfish benefit.

Just say Fuck it and go on. I am speechless about how far people can go for their own benefit. I mean, seriously? He claimed BCH as Bitcoin and referred to the whitepaper. People are not dumb these days. Even newbies know that Bitcoin was invented in 2009, and BCH was a few years ago. So, How is BCH supposed to replace Bitcoin? The old one is fake, and the new one is a replica of the fake one? I can't stop laughing, man. He might be suffering from various mental issues. His friends and family should take care of him.

I'm happy to hear that the newbies are not dumb these days because most of the strategy used by people like Ver is that the Bitcoin mechanism and mode of operation is old and should to replace.
The sad thing is that most of these people are those that have already made some million bucks through Bitcoin.

Quote from: Learn Bitcoin on June 04, 2023, 11:29:24 AM

I understand that every business person wants to profit from everything. But, That should be in a legit way.

This is why I like the way the US SEC is charging some influencers these days for illegal marketing and hype.

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Quote from: Myleschetty on June 04, 2023, 10:48:27 AM

He even once said "I can’t believe some people still think BTC is Bitcoin."
People like him shouldn't be trusted because they will always want to manipulate the market for their selfish benefit.

This is what I am talking about. You and others simply don't understand the context, presumably because you weren't around at the time. What is interesting is that you even posted the pictures the pictures that justify his statement, but you still don't understand.

Let me explain quickly. In the pictures, he is showing that Bitcoin was originally intended to be a payment system, and that BCash (BCH) kept the idea of keeping transaction fees low so that it would make is a better payment system, as intended. In contrast, Bitcoin's (BTC) small blocks make it less useful as a payment system because the fees are too high. That is what he means when he says something like "BTC is not Bitcoin and BCash is the real Bitcoin". Saying that he is trying to manipulate a market or trick people into buying BCH is just being ignorant.

If you disagree with him, that's fine, but at least respect his opinion.

I do respect his opinion and if what you explain is actually what he means there are ways in doing a thing to avoid public misunderstanding because I am sure I am not the only one that has a negative impression of his statement.

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Quote from: Myleschetty on June 04, 2023, 10:48:27 AM

He even once said "I can’t believe some people still think BTC is Bitcoin."
People like him shouldn't be trusted because they will always want to manipulate the market for their selfish benefit.

This is what I am talking about. You and others simply don't understand the context, presumably because you weren't around at the time. What is interesting is that you even posted the pictures the pictures that justify his statement, but you still don't understand.

Let me explain quickly. In the pictures, he is showing that Bitcoin was originally intended to be a payment system, and that BCash (BCH) kept the idea of keeping transaction fees low so that it would make is a better payment system, as intended. In contrast, Bitcoin's (BTC) small blocks make it less useful as a payment system because the fees are too high. That is what he means when he says something like "BTC is not Bitcoin and BCash is the real Bitcoin". Saying that he is trying to manipulate a market or trick people into buying BCH is just being ignorant.

If you disagree with him, that's fine, but at least respect his opinion.

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in these cases it is natural for me to ask myself.. what do I care about what Roger Ver says? Is he the CEO of bitcoin Roll Eyes

? Does he have any "power" about it ?
obviously not to all questions, so ok I appreciate and respect his thinking and his past on this technology and spreading adoption but according his support to bitcoin cash and many many many other controversies I don't care too much about his opinion.

personally in this area there are few opinions that should be "followed".
at least they must be supported by numbers, otherwise they have no meaning

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Why are you so concerned about Roger's comment? I don't even follow Elon anymore because it seems like everyone is solely focused on making money. Roger amassed a significant amount of Bitcoins, which is why he decided to fork Bitcoin and gain Bitcoin Cash. It's all just a game for making money. Just because he's the founder of Bitcoin Cash doesn't mean he can't discuss other cryptocurrencies. And why should we care about what he says? It's the same with Elon tweeting about Doge to pump up its value and make money. It's a straightforward strategy for these influential individuals, often referred to as whales.

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Quote from: odolvlobo on June 03, 2023, 06:32:24 PM

I feel that there is a lot of undeserved scorn for Roger Ver.

I would bet that none of the persons responding in this thread has ever met him. I would also bet that most of the people responding to this thread were not even aware of Bitcoin when he was around. I would also bet that most people have not even bothered to read what he has written or listened to what he has said. Everything you know about him is second-hand, at best. It is said that it is the victors who write the history. Roger Ver was a big-blocker and he had very good reasons for his opinion, but the big-blockers lost the debate, and so now everything you hear about him is from people who were against him.

The fact is that Roger Ver has done more for Bitcoin than any person stating any opinion here.

Like everyone else, he has made mistakes and said stupid things. The biggest one was believing his friend Mark Karpeles, when it was pretty clear that Mt Gox was failing. But, he is not a scammer and he is not a con man, as people like to claim.

Yes, I certainly don't know Roger Ver personally.

I agree with you that Roger Ver showed great wisdom and foresight in his time when he became one of the first bitcoin holders.

However, his attack on Bitcoin is a very ignoble act. You should not try to destroy what has made you rich and powerful. This is a very thankless act. Roger Ver tried to destroy Bitcoin (a decentralized financial asset, the property of all mankind). He did this because of his exorbitant greed and exorbitant ambitions.

Not to mention that as a result of his actions, thousands of people could have suffered - holders of bitcoins, including those who invested in the first cryptocurrency under the influence of Roger Ver himself.

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Quote from: Lucius on June 03, 2023, 05:15:33 AM

In order for you to care about something, you must first understand the difference between Bitcoin and everything else, and most people don't even understand the most important basics. As for the list (if you are referring to the marketcap), it is of course completely misleading in the sense that it leads people to think in a completely wrong way.

The markepcap list affect people's investment decisions though. Not everybody has the critical thinking skills. In fact most people don't think at all. When they see eth at #2, they think it must be a good project.

Quote from: Lucius on June 03, 2023, 05:15:33 AM

As far as I'm concerned, the president of the US and the Pope of Rome can thank him, but that doesn't erase the fact that he's a devious, hypocritical and greedy bastard. Regardless of all the good you may have done in life, people will always remember the bad.

Dunno, I wouldn't accept any help from a person like that or thank him If I were Andreas but that's just me. I always prefer to keep my distance with these people. Because in the long run their favors do more harm than good in my experience.

It is like accepting a donation from a guy that's sending dangerous vibes, what happens when this guy blows up a school few months later? Everybody will be looking at the huge donation you got from that person.

Quote from: Lucius on June 03, 2023, 05:15:33 AM

Maybe it means something to someone that he is rich, it means nothing to me personally. Even if he has ten times more money than now, does that make him a better person?

That's the point, he don't give a flying shit about what you or anyone else thinks about him. Being a better person? I don't think he cares about that either. He cares about making money and he is good at it.

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Quote from: odolvlobo on June 03, 2023, 06:32:24 PM

But, he is not a scammer and he is not a con man, as people like to claim.

It is not a claim, it is a fact.
If you pay for a bar of gold but in return they hand you a piece of wood painted yellow, what would you call that?

In case of Ver, newbies went on google and searched for "how to buy bitcoin". Then they found a website that ended with ".com" and was called "bitcoin" so they went there thinking they have found the "official" bitcoin website. Then they clicked on "buy bitcoin" and ordered "bitcoin" and paid for "bitcoin" hoping to receive "bitcoin" but instead they received a garbage called bcash.
If that is not called a scam, I don't know what is!

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Quote from: Myleschetty on June 04, 2023, 10:48:27 AM

He even once said " I can't believe some people still think BTC is Bitcoin."
People like him shouldn't be trusted because they will always want to manipulate the market for their selfish benefit.

Just say Fuck it and go on. I am speechless about how far people can go for their own benefit. I mean, seriously? He claimed BCH as Bitcoin and referred to the whitepaper. People are not dumb these days. Even newbies know that Bitcoin was invented in 2009, and BCH was a few years ago. So, How is BCH supposed to replace Bitcoin? The old one is fake, and the new one is a replica of the fake one? I can't stop laughing, man. He might be suffering from various mental issues. His friends and family should take care of him.

I understand that every business person wants to profit from everything. But, That should be in a legit way. Doing scams and making a profit is the most hated way to make money. Many Indians are living in the US; sometimes, when someone asks them where they are from, when they say they are Indian, Other people think of Tech Support Scam.

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He's an investor and looking for ways to maximize his profits. Maybe he was unable to buy bitcoin some days back when it was at under $15k LOL. Now spreading this kind of words to make the market struggle, so he can fill up his bags again. Just saying tho. But the main reason could be to manipulate the market. The fact is still unsure.
But the thing is, it's his own personal choice, and he can say or do whatever he likes. Bitcoin is here to stay and it will. Influences makes so many comments like this, and we see a market movement. But the effect is temporary. I think there's no need to worry about it. We have seen a lot in the past and here we are. Bitcoin is still at the top, doing just fine.

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Quote from: John Abraham on May 31, 2023, 03:07:26 AM

What's wrong with Mr. Roger ver? Did Vuterin Start Paying him to vouch for ETH? What is your thought?

[1] https://www.investopedia.com/tech/who-roger-ver-bitcoin-jesus/
[2] https://cryptoslate.com/ethereum-will-drive-global-cryptocurrency-adoption-not-bitcoin-roger-ver/

I don't think Vitalik Buterin paid him to vouch for ETH. You may not know that Roger Ver is the same breed as Craig Steven Wright the only difference is that Ver did not claim to be Satoshi as CSW.
He even once said "I can’t believe some people still think BTC is Bitcoin."
People like him shouldn't be trusted because they will always want to manipulate the market for their selfish benefit.

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The CryptoSlate article you cite is based on a YouTube interview Ver did. This YouTube video only has 1.4k views. It goes to show you how relevant Roger Ver is in 2023. Nobody cares what he has to say. He is bitter that Bitcoin did not go in the direction he wanted it to go so so he will say whatever to tear it down and will hype up any random altcoin. Remember when he was shilling Dash and Zcash? Neither of those coins have really gotten any kind of adoption. It is really sad to go from being one of the most prominent bitcoiners to becoming a laughingstock.

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Quote from: odolvlobo on June 03, 2023, 06:32:24 PM

~snip~
The fact is that Roger Ver has done more for Bitcoin than any person stating any opinion here.

It's good to know that there are still people who consider him a kind of messiah, without whom Bitcoin would not be what it is today. I will say that I absolutely do not agree that he should be given so much credibility, regardless of the fact that he was one of the early adopters, but so was Gavin and many others who later turned out to be very naive people, to say the least.

Quote from: nutildah on June 03, 2023, 11:41:21 PM

None of us has done as much damage to Bitcoin as he has, either.
~snip~

Obviously, some don't think he has done significant damage when it comes to Bitcoin, but everyone is entitled to an opinion and it's good to share it publicly so others know how "worthless" they really are compared to people like Roger Ver.

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Yeah been a few years since I heard his name. I remember he was selling memory chips and accepted Bitcoin at his store and basically held the Bitcoin until it became worth millions.

He was crazy during that Bitcoin cash and Bitcoin debate. No idea why he acted that way. He lost it on some of those interviews and then didn’t hear from him for years.

Very strange that he now is talking about ethereum however. Who knows maybe he knows deep down that Bitcoin cash was never going to replace Bitcoin.

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Quote from: odolvlobo on June 03, 2023, 06:32:24 PM

The fact is that Roger Ver has done more for Bitcoin than any person stating any opinion here.

None of us has done as much damage to Bitcoin as he has, either.

Quote from: odolvlobo on June 03, 2023, 06:32:24 PM

Like everyone else, he has made mistakes and said stupid things. The biggest one was believing his friend Mark Karpeles when it was pretty clear to everyone that Mt Gox was failing. But, he is not a scammer and he is not a con man, as people like to claim.

He's greed-driven to the point of being a sociopath -- I thought this was pretty well established. He's the kind of person who will do or say anything to accumulate more money, at the expense of anyone else around him. It's simply not part of his brain to experience empathy, sympathy and shame the way most human beings do, which is part of what allowed him to become so "successful."

https://bitcoinist.com/roger-ver-antonopoulos-millionaire/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/8h4dit/roger_ver_is_a_wellknown_scammer/
https://cryptoslate.com/coinflex-co-founder-accuses-roger-ver-of-betrayal-in-near-bankruptcy-saga/

The irony is Bitcoin Cash would probably be doing much better today if it had any other name without the word "Bitcoin" in it.

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I feel that there is a lot of undeserved scorn for Roger Ver.

I would bet that none of the persons responding in this thread has ever met him. I would also bet that most of the people responding to this thread were not even aware of Bitcoin when he was around. I would also bet that most people have not even bothered to read what he has written or listened to what he has said. Everything you know about him is second-hand, at best. It is said that it is the victors who write the history. Roger Ver was a big-blocker and he had very good reasons for his opinion, but the big-blockers lost the debate, and so now everything you hear about him is from people who were against him.

The fact is that Roger Ver has done more for Bitcoin than any person stating any opinion here.

Like everyone else, he has made mistakes and said stupid things. The biggest one was believing his friend Mark Karpeles, when it was pretty clear that Mt Gox was failing. But, he is not a scammer and he is not a con man, as people like to claim.

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He likes attention, he’s potentially autistic or on some sort of spectrum. He tried to emancipate from his parents when he was a very young boy because he bought a car & they made him return it. He’s just a very odd guy, a classic narcissist. He probably still has lots of bitcoin but he has no power in a decentralised coin which is why he set up BCH & was part of the block size wars.

For those who don’t know, his account on this forum is:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/memorydealers-10310

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Quote from: davis196 on June 01, 2023, 12:15:16 AM

Maybe the small sect of fanatic Bitcoin Cash supporters would still trust Ver, but I'm not sure how many people still support BCH. Grin

I don't think anybody ever really "supported" bcash. Just like Ver, as you pointed out, it was an opportunity that many people took advantage of to make some money. For example when the miners switched to bcash was because they had manipulated the difficulty adjustment rules and over a thousand blocks were being mined per day (instead of the normal ~144 blocks/day). Cheesy

That's the thing with this new shenanigan. Nobody gives a crap about Ver but if some opportunists see a potential in his bullshit advertisement, it could suddenly become a pumping opportunity. Although so far ETH is dumping more than it can pump... despite the desperate pumping attempts...

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Quote from: mindrust on June 03, 2023, 02:38:20 AM

Nobody cares about these stuff anymore. Ripple, which is a premined shitcoin and a security, has no right be in the list but it has been there for years anyway.

In order for you to care about something, you must first understand the difference between Bitcoin and everything else, and most people don't even understand the most important basics. As for the list (if you are referring to the marketcap), it is of course completely misleading in the sense that it leads people to think in a completely wrong way.

Quote from: mindrust on June 03, 2023, 02:38:20 AM

It is not always black and white. He surely has an interesting story. Andreas thanked him in his book and that surprised me when I saw it and he is one of the most hard core bitcoiners. Maybe RV was always like that but the community couldn't see through him or maybe he changed after some stuff happened.

As far as I'm concerned, the president of the US and the Pope of Rome can thank him, but that doesn't erase the fact that he's a devious, hypocritical and greedy bastard. Regardless of all the good you may have done in life, people will always remember the bad.

Quote from: mindrust on June 03, 2023, 02:38:20 AM

Whatever it is, the guy is still rich af and that's what counts at the end of the day I guess.

Maybe it means something to someone that he is rich, it means nothing to me personally. Even if he has ten times more money than now, does that make him a better person?

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Quote from: Lucius on June 02, 2023, 08:14:17 AM

Only for those who do not understand the manipulation they use to be the second largest, which is the fact that this shitcoin has a current circulating supply of 120 million tokens, with the fact that it is not even known what the max supply is. Even if they increase the max supply by 100% at this moment, at the current price, they would still be second.

Nobody cares about these stuff anymore. Ripple, which is a premined shitcoin and a security, has no right be in the list but it has been there for years anyway.

How did they manage this? Probably bribing the right people...

Where do they get the money? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Why don't anybody talk about it? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Quote from: Lucius on June 02, 2023, 08:14:17 AM

He has no motivation to destroy Bitcoin, he is simply an ordinary leech that goes from one host to another and exploits it until it passes to another. Even if he wants to destroy Bitcoin, do you think such a slob has even a 1% chance of doing it?

It is not always black and white. He surely has an interesting story. Andreas thanked him in his book and that surprised me when I saw it and he is one of the most hard core bitcoiners. Maybe RV was always like that but the community couldn't see through him or maybe he changed after some stuff happened.

Whatever it is, the guy is still rich af and that's what counts at the end of the day I guess.

Quote from: Smartprofit on May 31, 2023, 08:13:21 AM

I feel bad for Roger Ver....

Why? He is not living in poverty. He probably lived a life most of us won't in a 1000 years.

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Shame he left the forum, would have liked that extra plurality (where's the sarcasm emoji?).

Still not sure what Ver refers to when he says Bitcoin these days, because according to him, he's following the "real Bitcoin" (BCH), which keeps losing market share. He always thought this was an important indicator, and why Bitcoin was ded... he proved to be prophetic though, as his version of Bitcoin actually is (dead).

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Quote from: mindrust on June 02, 2023, 05:13:07 AM

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Right now Eth is the second biggest crypto in terms of marketcap and if eth somehow takes over btc, RV will celebrate it as if his own failed project accomplished it.

Only for those who do not understand the manipulation they use to be the second largest, which is the fact that this shitcoin has a current circulating supply of 120 million tokens, with the fact that it is not even known what the max supply is. Even if they increase the max supply by 100% at this moment, at the current price, they would still be second.

Quote from: mindrust on June 02, 2023, 05:13:07 AM

That's pretty much about him. A bitcoin Judas. His only motivation is to destroy bitcoin.

He has no motivation to destroy Bitcoin, he is simply an ordinary leech that goes from one host to another and exploits it until it passes to another. Even if he wants to destroy Bitcoin, do you think such a slob has even a 1% chance of doing it?

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He is anti-bitcoin, pro-shitcoin since 2017. He isn't really into ethereum imo because his own failed project is also copying many of eth's features like token creation. He is favoring eth or any other altcoin just so he can badmouth bitcoin. Right now Eth is the second biggest crypto in terms of marketcap and if eth somehow takes over btc, RV will celebrate it as if his own failed project accomplished it. That's pretty much about him. A bitcoin Judas. His only motivation is to destroy bitcoin.

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Mate, easy does it! Let's not ruffle our feathers just because the Bitcoin bigwig lobbed a compliment Ethereum's way. Merely because Roger Ver tipped his hat to Ethereum doesn't imply he's buckled into the Vitalik rollercoaster. He might just be conceding that Ethereum isn't merely living in Bitcoin's shadow anymore.

Think of Ethereum as the plucky, once-overlooked kin who's now stepping into the spotlight. It's loaded with brainy contracts and a sturdy playground for dapps - scoff not at this!

Bear in mind, in the wild frontier of crypto, diversity is a boon. Let's steer clear of a digital duel. Every cryptocurrency brings its charm to the crypto cocktail! Thus, be it Bitcoin or Ethereum you're betting on, safeguard those cyber golden geese!

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Quote from: pooya87 on May 31, 2023, 11:34:42 PM

Well that's an understatement!
He didn't "turn into bcash" he became the biggest scammer of 2017 onward. As you may know he owns and controls bitcoin.com website, something that many newbies find in their google search about bitcoin. In this site he not only promoted this shitcoin but he scammed numerous newbies by selling them bcash when they tried buying bitcoin.
In fact you can find many confused newbies on bitcointalk from those days asking why they never received bitcoin when they bought it from Roger Ver!

He chose to shill Bitcoin Cash and tried to mislead people by using the name Bitcoin Core for Bitcoin. He claimed Bitcoin Cash is Bitcoin, a big scammer. There are assumptions that Bitcoin Cash team stood behind the attack on Bitcoin network in 2017 and caused transaction fees rose to very expensive levels.

The website domain was chosen to help their scam too. Bitcoin [dot] com as if they call their coin is BitcoinCash, the website should be bitcoincash[dot]com.

Roger Ver did not stop with Bitcoin Cash and he continued with Azbit project with its bounty

You can see Roger Ver as an Azbit advisor at its azbit.com main page

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Why do we care about what he say when he has nothing to do with bitcoin at all? He has tried people to support his coin but the word is simply make them fool for personal profits and let him speak what he says about ETH.He has also used his cheap tactics to promote some fake articles on his site about btc misrepresenting information about it but what happened to Bitcoin Cash ? Did it surpass btc or solve the problems he tried to do so? So according to me we should also not make these people talks a matter of discussion.

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Roger Ver helped in the early days of Bitcoin adoption, but later on, he believed that scaling is the biggest problem of Bitcoin and tried to create his own version of Bitcoin, that would solve the scaling issue(and failed miserably). He's more like an opportunist rather than a believer.
Like many forum members have already stated, Ver is more like a businessman and investor, rather than a Bitcoin developer.
I highly doubt that Vitalik Buterin would pay Roger Ver for vouching crypto projects. Ver has little to no authority in the crypto world, after he lost the scaling war in 2017. Maybe the small sect of fanatic Bitcoin Cash supporters would still trust Ver, but I'm not sure how many people still support BCH. Grin

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Quote from: John Abraham on May 31, 2023, 03:07:26 AM

What's wrong with Mr. Roger ver? Did Vuterin Start Paying him to vouch for ETH? What is your thought?

What wrong with us? Why we talking unimportant person?. Roger is always get paid on his way, don't washing the time with him.

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Quote from: Smartprofit on May 31, 2023, 08:13:21 AM

I feel bad for Roger Ver....

I don't because I remember him from the time when I registered on the forum (with my main account) and before that I was interested in bitcoin. The reasons have already been stated, not only did he raise and lose a war, worst of all he tricked people into thinking they were buying bitcoin when they were actually buying shitcoin.

I feel bad for people who have bad luck or things like that, not for those who dig their own grave. And anyway, rest assured he's not going to starve, I just looked it up and he has a net worth of $550 million.

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Quote from: John Abraham on May 31, 2023, 03:07:26 AM

In 2017, Roger Ver Turned Into Bitcoin Cash.

Well that's an understatement!
He didn't "turn into bcash" he became the biggest scammer of 2017 onward. As you may know he owns and controls bitcoin.com website, something that many newbies find in their google search about bitcoin. In this site he not only promoted this shitcoin but he scammed numerous newbies by selling them bcash when they tried buying bitcoin.
In fact you can find many confused newbies on bitcointalk from those days asking why they never received bitcoin when they bought it from Roger Ver!

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What's wrong with Mr. Roger ver? Did Vuterin Start Paying him to vouch for ETH? What is your thought?

We have to wait and see but considering his history, he may be brewing another scam to rip many newbies off.
Specially since to this day nobody has said anything remotely positive about the biggest scam of cryptocurrency market without having a personal benefit in it.

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Ver will say hust about anything to make the BTC developer feel regretful as if he is telling 'I told you so'.
Hence the creation of BTC Cash was because of that scaling and sizing. Ver is making noise since, he owns a BTC forum once which wasn't very active and lost the competition with bitcointalk.

ETH is widely adopted than BTC alright but BTC is still the safest and most priced cryptocurrency that is not deem security by the regulators.

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Quote from: odolvlobo on May 31, 2023, 12:37:05 PM

What's wrong with his statement? It seems perfectly reasonable to me. He might be right. He might be wrong. We will see.

You seem to want to vouch for Roger Ver. no? It's not reasonable at all. Yeah. We will find out.

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BTW, have you noticed how more and more people are referring to Bitcoin transaction fees as "gas"? That should tell you something.

If someone is stupid enough not to understand what Gwei and Satoshi are, That's their problem. It's not mine. By the way, Do you have the statistics on how many people refer to Bitcoin transaction fees as "gas"? I did not find it harmful. They are basically ETH people trying to learn Bitcoin and referring to it as "gas". Or maybe not. Who knows?

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Anyway, loyalty to a cryptocurrency is stupid.

I don't expect anyone to be loyal to a specific cryptocurrency. But I love to see people use the right coin. Why would I vouch for a centralized coin with no proof of work? They can create an infinite amount of coins out of thin air. Did you forget what happened during the Terra Luna Crash? They Increased their supply until it became zero. Why would I trust Vitalik?

The Fun Fact is, His forum.bitcoin.com has no post in 2023. The last post was made in 2022.
Another Fun Fact; I have never seen a active flag which theymos opposed which Roger Ver has ; https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=10310

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Quote from: Die_empty on May 31, 2023, 01:42:53 PM

Mr. Roger Ver has the freedom to express his views about cryptocurrency. He might have been a strong supporter of bitcoin in the past but he has changed his beliefs. Maybe he knows what we don't know and vice versa. It could also be that he has been influenced to promote ETH because of some financial benefits. Even Bible Judas betrayed Jesus he called his Lord and Messiah, therefore what Ver did is not new. From his history, Roger is driven by greed and selfishness which was why he lost the wealth he acquired. I am sure that if he still owns the 400,000 bitcoin he lost, he wouldn't have made these comments. He is broke and looking for where to earn some money. Only time will justify if his position is true or false.

We have the freedom too to call him shit. We don't care if someone is loyal to Bitcoin or not. Let's say Roger talks about a coin that has a supply limit and proof of work where they cannot create a coin out of thin air. It's not like there are no coins like Bitcoin. Take Litecoin for example; he could have vouch for that. But, No. He is not holding any Litecoin. So there is no profit touching for Litecoin. The same thing goes for Bitcoin as well. I don't think he owns more than a few Satoshi since 2016. Now he started talking shit and the media covers his shit talk.

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Quote from: John Abraham on May 31, 2023, 03:07:26 AM

Yesterday, This guy did not talk about Bitcoin Cash But about Ethereum. He said, “Even though Ethereum doesn’t have the biggest market cap compared to Bitcoin, I think Ethereum is the front-runner in terms of driving worldwide adoption.” ^[2]

What's wrong with Mr. Roger ver? Did Vuterin Start Paying him to vouch for ETH? What is your thought?

Mr. Roger Ver has the freedom to express his views about cryptocurrency. He might have been a strong supporter of bitcoin in the past but he has changed his beliefs. Maybe he knows what we don't know and vice versa. It could also be that he has been influenced to promote ETH because of some financial benefits. Even Bible Judas betrayed Jesus he called his Lord and Messiah, therefore what Ver did is not new. From his history, Roger is driven by greed and selfishness which was why he lost the wealth he acquired. I am sure that if he still owns the 400,000 bitcoin he lost, he wouldn't have made these comments. He is broke and looking for where to earn some money. Only time will justify if his position is true or false.

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Quote from: John Abraham on May 31, 2023, 03:07:26 AM

What's wrong with Mr. Roger ver? Did Vuterin Start Paying him to vouch for ETH? What is your thought?

Ver is cearly a businessman and a business doesn't care about bitcoin. There is nothing wrong with him. Bitcoin is established so he doesn't need to vouch for bitcoin.
He is a investor and it is common that a investor and businessman of his caliber will only talk about where he gets benifited from. Roger ver is now invested hi money into ETH and that is why he is vouching for Vuterin or ETH.

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Quote from: John Abraham on May 31, 2023, 03:07:26 AM

Yesterday, This guy did not talk about Bitcoin Cash But about Ethereum. He said, “Even though Ethereum doesn’t have the biggest market cap compared to Bitcoin, I think Ethereum is the front-runner in terms of driving worldwide adoption.” ^[2]
What's wrong with Mr. Roger ver? Did Vuterin Start Paying him to vouch for ETH? What is your thought?

What's wrong with his statement? It seems perfectly reasonable to me. He might be right. He might be wrong. We will see.

BTW, have you noticed how more and more people are referring to Bitcoin transaction fees as "gas"? That should tell you something.

Anyway, loyalty to a cryptocurrency is stupid.

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He is following the money. Money is currently in DeFi and shitcoins. So he wants to follow the money and make some money, nothing special in that.
He literally adopted Bitcoin when you didn't even think about it, so let's give him some room. He deserves respect for adopting early and him adopting Ethereum is a signal for many.

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Ver has been a joke since 2017. I don't think anyone cares what he says these days. He gave up on the idea of strong money for humanity and decided trying to scam people was more to his liking.

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Quote from: SamReomo on May 31, 2023, 07:09:35 AM

That guy is a true investor and businessman and he has nothing to do with Bitcoin. If any crypto-currency is useful for him he will turn into it and give up on Bitcoin. His decision of moving from Bitcoin to Bitcoin cash proved the thing that the guy is not a Bitcoin enthusiast but a businessman who invests in all those projects that allow him to earn enough profits.

Would you mind if I call him a scammer? Because he tried to make, people believe that Bitcoin Cash is Real Bitcoin. People with such a mindset cannot be trusted at all. A guy who tries to manipulate others and guide them to the wrong path for his own profit is not a true investor or a businessman. It proved that he didn't understand what is he talking about. A Coin/Token which doesn't have a limit of supply and no proof of work, How can it be a front-runner in driving worldwide adoption? ETH is a centralized coin. ETH developers can increase its supply to infinite. How are people supposed to trust ETH?

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Quote from: John Abraham on May 31, 2023, 03:07:26 AM

In 2017, Roger Ver Turned Into Bitcoin Cash.

Yesterday, This guy did not talk about Bitcoin Cash But about Ethereum. He said, “Even though Ethereum doesn’t have the biggest market cap compared to Bitcoin, I think Ethereum is the front-runner in terms of driving worldwide adoption.” ^[2]

What's wrong with Mr. Roger ver? Did Vuterin Start Paying him to vouch for ETH? What is your thought?

[1] https://www.investopedia.com/tech/who-roger-ver-bitcoin-jesus/
[2] https://cryptoslate.com/ethereum-will-drive-global-cryptocurrency-adoption-not-bitcoin-roger-ver/

I don't think anything is wrong with Roger Ver. I think this Ordinals situation has shined light down upon the shortcomings of BTC to a new audience that may have believed the propaganda that Roger was a bad guy trying to destroy Bitcoin. Now people are starting to see that it was Blockstream that were the bad actors trying to give their scaling solution an advantage that is now being exploited by others to demonstrate it's ineffectiveness. Roger, seeing this and knowing BCH will never overtake Bitcoin, has instead focused his eye on an investment that the overall community is accepting, Ethereum.

Roger was one of the early supporters of Ethereum and bought a ton of mining equipment early on to mine it upon release. I'm sure he has a TON of Ethereum, so it's not like him pumping his own bags is a display of something wrong with him. More likely he feels that the market has now demonstrated Lightning is shit and not the scaling solution it's supporters pretend it to be, so he feels vindicated and is ready to stop fighting and start building again somewhere with less hate.

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Nothing is wrong with Roger Ver, but it is with people who still wonder why he is not what he was in the past. I and anyone who has a smarter job in life certainly don't care what he promotes at the moment, because we know that he supports anyone who pays enough.

What we do know is that he is a simple traitor, and also not very intelligent when he thought that he and his little communists could destroy Bitcoin with their useless fork. With these new statements, it only shows how much he understands what he's talking about, because that shitcoin he's talking about is an ordinary inflated story that's worth even less after it moved to POS.

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Quote from: John Abraham on May 31, 2023, 03:07:26 AM

What's wrong with Mr. Roger ver? Did Vuterin Start Paying him to vouch for ETH? What is your thought?

Buterin wasn't going to do that, he was just throwing out an opinion. if that's a fact I don't think many people will care about it. the whales in the marketplace would not be swayed by his ramblings. who was hoping something would happen in the market because of his rambling.
maybe the situation would have been different if Elon had said it all. although I also don't believe there will be any impact on the market or the price of Ethereum.

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I feel bad for Roger Ver....

He used to be a well-known bitcoin evangelist. It was even called Bitcoin - Jesus.

However, in 2017, Roger Ver, along with Jihan Wu, organized an aggressive attack on the Bitcoin network. They (Roger Ver and Jihan Wu) promoted an alternative cryptocurrency - Bitcoin Cash, claiming that it is the real Bitcoin.

However, this was a blatant lie. Also during this time, the Bitcoin network was being spammed with small transactions, which slowed it down. In the fall of 2017, the price of Bitcoin Cash reached 0.5 BTC. This was the end result of this scam.

After that, the price of Bitcoin Cash dropped.

I don't know why Roger Ver is now promoting the Ethereum coin. As far as I know, they have a very good personal relationship with Vitalik Buterin.

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ethereum is not the path to mass adoption

the simple reason is this
if you look at the ethereum market price chart. and look at the shape of the wiggle.. ethereum emulates bitcoins movements and a 1:14 ratio
this is because although there is media hype about ethereum token features there is not actual UTILITY of them. its just a bunch of scammers selling valueless tokens and leaving people holding a bag of useless tokens at the end of the day.

if ethereum had its own wide community it would then also have its own 'price discovery', volatility and speculation meaning none of the pump or dumps or the spikes and dips would match bitcoins movements

however because ethereum market does emulate bitcoins movements at a 1:14 rate, its clear to see the majority of ethereum trades are actually bitcoin traders doing arbitrage via btc-usd-eth-btc and vice versa to cycle trades.

example of screenshots today

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Quote from: John Abraham on May 31, 2023, 03:07:26 AM

What's wrong with Mr. Roger ver? Did Vuterin Start Paying him to vouch for ETH? What is your thought?

That guy is a true investor and businessman and he has nothing to do with Bitcoin. If any crypto-currency is useful for him he will turn into it and give up on Bitcoin. His decision of moving from Bitcoin to Bitcoin cash proved the thing that the guy is not a Bitcoin enthusiast but a businessman who invests in all those projects that allow him to earn enough profits.

He's only done a good thing by adopting Bitcoin in its early days but I'm sure he's already sold most of his holdings in year 2013-2014, and now when he knows that he hasn't enough of the crypto-currency in his holdings, he turned into other projects. This time going with ETH proves that his holdings are mostly in that crypto-currency and he would love it to reach all time high in this coming bull market.

I don't think that Buterin has any thing with this guy, he's doing it to gain profits because he's most probably holding thousands of ETH right now and he wants to earn as much profit from the holdings as he possibly can. I'm also thinking that the guy might favor Bitcoin cash once again in future because he definitely holds many units of that digital currency as well.

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Meh, he says a lot of wacky things. I wouldn't really pay any attention to him. Just wish the media would finally stop referring to him as "Bitcoin Jesus."

As other mentioned with Bitcoin Cash, he's already expended all the goodwill he may have had with the community by trying to con people into believing BCH was Bitcoin. Its not, he lost the hash war and his coin is always on the precipice of a 51% attack. Admittedly I like that it has low fees but most exchanges require several confirmations before they will credit your account with it and its simply not a "store of value."

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What is wrong with that as you have defined it Roger Ver is considered an early adopter, he is an investor looking for profit and not like Satoshi or programmer or influencer in the bitcoin industry.
When he endorsed Bitcoin Cash in 2017, he was trying to destroy Bitcoin to create money for his new investment and I even think he was the reason for the fee increase at the end of that year.
Now he is convinced that Bitcoin Cash has become useless, and therefore he is looking for a new investment that may support Ethereum to prove that BitcoinCash is the best.

This is if we ignore all scam claims pending with the wrong use of bitcoin.com

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Quote from: John Abraham on May 31, 2023, 03:07:26 AM

Mr. Roger Ver is An early adopter of the first digital currency

Bitcoin is not the first digital currency. Before Bitcoin, Digicash, Cybercash, E-gold, Hashcash.
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he integrated Bitcoin payments into Memorydealers.com

He has one account in Bitcointalk. MemoryDealers

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In 2017, Roger Ver Turned Into Bitcoin Cash.

He tried to scam investors in 2017. To newcomers: make sure when you buy bitcoin you are buying bitcoin!

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https://www.bitcoin.com/

Wayback machine: https://web.archive.org/web/20190428084027/https://wallet.bitcoin.com/

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For those, Who Don't know who Roger Ver is,

Mr. Roger Ver is An early adopter of the first digital currency, he integrated Bitcoin payments into Memorydealers.com, allowing customers to make payments in Bitcoin. By moving to collect Bitcoin in its earliest days, when each coin was valued at under $1, Ver amassed a total collection of more than 400,000 bitcoins by some estimates. In the process of spreading the word about Bitcoin, it's likely that Ver reduced his collection through payments and funding projects.

Ver's financial support helped a number of popular Bitcoin projects and startups launch. He was an early investor in the now-defunct BitInstant, the company founded by Bitcoin millionaire and ex-convict Charlie Shrem.

Ver was also an early investor in a number of related blockchain projects, including Kraken, purse.io, Blockchain.com, and Ripple. In 2012, Ver launched Bitcoinstore.com, offering thousands of items for sale with customers allowed to transact in Bitcoin.^[1]

In 2017, Roger Ver Turned Into Bitcoin Cash.

Yesterday, This guy did not talk about Bitcoin Cash But about Ethereum. He said, “Even though Ethereum doesn’t have the biggest market cap compared to Bitcoin, I think Ethereum is the front-runner in terms of driving worldwide adoption.” ^[2]

What's wrong with Mr. Roger ver? Did Vuterin Start Paying him to vouch for ETH? What is your thought?

[1] https://www.investopedia.com/tech/who-roger-ver-bitcoin-jesus/
[2] https://cryptoslate.com/ethereum-will-drive-global-cryptocurrency-adoption-not-bitcoin-roger-ver/

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