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Quote from: investerS on January 12, 2018, 04:03:23 AM

I have been thinking of a question but have not got a suitable answer, in case a gambler or player who has big money in his account dies, what happens to his money? If the family eventually get to know he has money in that gambling account, how will they claim it if they dont have a password to the account or email? Does the owner of gambling site have a way of handling that or is it a free money for them to claim? Your response please.
I am referring to gambling sites like: bitsler, primedice, freebitco, cryptogames, etc

Interesting question, because we don't know when we will die. first I think making "a will letter" is important even if you are young. so when suddenly dead your family can know what your relics, but if the case is like in your question. I think you should make contact to the owner of that site, maybe will be quite difficult to do because the gambling account does not ask for ID cards on its users, so the family will be a little trouble to prove that they are his family and not just a one-sided claim

Besides.. Why should the family get the money? Cheesy

.. I mean if it's from a gambling website, I doubt the first thing any family members would think when their son/daughter/brother/sister dies is: "Hmm, I wonder how much money they had on various sites and how I'll be able to get it out". Or perhaps I'm alone in thinking that way.

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Quote from: investerS on January 12, 2018, 04:03:23 AM

I have been thinking of a question but have not got a suitable answer, in case a gambler or player who has big money in his account dies, what happens to his money? If the family eventually get to know he has money in that gambling account, how will they claim it if they dont have a password to the account or email? Does the owner of gambling site have a way of handling that or is it a free money for them to claim? Your response please.
I am referring to gambling sites like: bitsler, primedice, freebitco, cryptogames, etc

Interesting question, because we don't know when we will die. first I think making "a will letter" is important even if you are young. so when suddenly dead your family can know what your relics, but if the case is like in your question. I think you should make contact to the owner of that site, maybe will be quite difficult to do because the gambling account does not ask for ID cards on its users, so the family will be a little trouble to prove that they are his family and not just a one-sided claim

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Quote from: s0lidus on February 14, 2018, 03:38:57 AM

It's up to the player to make sure their relatives gain access and will be able to withdraw their funds wherever it's stored. Easy solution: make a will with directions how to withdraw and by whom Tongue

That's exactly what anyone who holds large amounts should do. Make sure that the will is sealed though without anyone having a chance to access the document Cheesy

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Again though, can't hold any company/site responsible for this.

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Quote from: s0lidus on February 14, 2018, 03:38:57 AM

It's up to the player to make sure their relatives gain access and will be able to withdraw their funds wherever it's stored. Easy solution: make a will with directions how to withdraw and by whom Tongue

I do not know why the bitcoin gambler should die. If they completely loose their money he will be alone without any money not dieing and all. I am confusing myself that why he is saying withdrawing funds when the place he saved in the wallet?
Dude what is you are speaking about?

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It's up to the player to make sure their relatives gain access and will be able to withdraw their funds wherever it's stored. Easy solution: make a will with directions how to withdraw and by whom Tongue

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Quote from: Minus7point5 on February 08, 2018, 06:17:14 PM

This scares me on almost a daily basis. It's best to have a benefactor (if you will) who knows your private keys and has access to your wallets.
Not that I have a lot of crypto but I would be heartbroken if something happened to me and all of my savings/investments were to go to waste Cry

You are not the only one bros, though many people does not like to think about it. We live in a world of uncertainty, when we see or hear people dying, we dont tend to think that it can happen to us as well. Av seen a man who was on his bed and a friend came to visit him and he just escorted the friend out of the building and waved him goodnight just to be knocked down by a drunk driver. If such a man was on his system gambling, and it happens like that, what becomes of his bitcoins?. Sometimes i think about it.

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This shows the increasing value potential of BTC.
Not only it can't be printed, but it's deflationary by design
Every now and then people lose bitcoins forever
In the future some people will take their BTC underground and increase the value of those BTC in circulation proportionally.

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Quote from: investerS on January 12, 2018, 04:03:23 AM

I have been thinking of a question but have not got a suitable answer, in case a gambler or player who has big money in his account dies, what happens to his money? If the family eventually get to know he has money in that gambling account, how will they claim it if they dont have a password to the account or email? Does the owner of gambling site have a way of handling that or is it a free money for them to claim? Your response please.
I am referring to gambling sites like: bitsler, primedice, freebitco, cryptogames, etc

In most case, the owner won't receive anything. Their families don't know that they have a lot of money so they can't claim their account. Even if they do know, there's a lot of things to verify the account's owner. Most gambling sites require email to create account and we all know that we can't make sure that the one who hold the email is the owner of that email or not so that, it will be really difficult for the dead person's family to claim the money.

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Quote from: investerS on January 27, 2018, 11:42:52 AM

Quote from: cryptotricks on January 27, 2018, 02:37:34 AM

If owner is so generous, he would contact their family/friends. But, i don't think there is any clause on this.

The problem is that "IF" because a gambler and gambling site owner have something in common and that is "Quest to accumulate more and more".

But lets believe good owners still exist..

People is always been greedy when it comes to money and i do agree on saying that the quest to accumulate more and more which is true but good owners do still exist but the issue here is that they would really have a hard time on searching for that gamblers identity specially most of the time we do play anonymously and tracking informations about the person is nearly impossible.

And that is why i think it is good the site owners take more data of the player when doing registration eg. Next of kin name, address, phone number etc.

It wont work since we do all know that gamblers doesnt really prefer to disclose their information on any gambling sites or even into another site which do require such kyc. If it does then most of them wont really play on the site because we do all like to be anonymous while playing this is why this is really a hard situation for a gambler to die without even knowing on the money has been left to his account.

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Quote from: Minus7point5 on February 08, 2018, 06:17:14 PM

This scares me on almost a daily basis. It's best to have a benefactor (if you will) who knows your private keys and has access to your wallets.
Not that I have a lot of crypto but I would be heartbroken if something happened to me and all of my savings/investments were to go to waste Cry

How is it your problem though? I see this all over the place a lot of the time.. People are afraid that something would happen to them and their family/friends would not be able to retreive their crypto money.. But why should they? What have they done to know about Crypto or involve themselves enough in your crypto life to deserve getting everything?

I'd rather see people timelock transactions and have their money sent to a charity if they were to die.. that'd make more sense Cheesy

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Quote from: Minus7point5 on February 08, 2018, 06:17:14 PM

This scares me on almost a daily basis. It's best to have a benefactor (if you will) who knows your private keys and has access to your wallets.
Not that I have a lot of crypto but I would be heartbroken if something happened to me and all of my savings/investments were to go to waste Cry

The problem is who will you trust? If you got a wife then tell her.

But if you have no family and only friends, then it's risky.

Imagine BTC going to $100,000 a coin and one of your friends steals the BTC

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This scares me on almost a daily basis. It's best to have a benefactor (if you will) who knows your private keys and has access to your wallets.
Not that I have a lot of crypto but I would be heartbroken if something happened to me and all of my savings/investments were to go to waste Cry

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Quote from: Cmoh on January 28, 2018, 01:57:11 AM

All the money lye on their account if a Gambler dies. But, the Gambler should be left behind his all the credentials of the account like Email ID and password and also, the gambling site details also. If the family members are wise enough they should have the at least the email password in their hand. So that, they can generate a new password by forgetting the password. In this way, they get to access their all money. If, the family don't know even the Gambling about so forget about the money to recover.

If nobody knows that he gamble when he's still up, then even in his dead probably there is no possibility they can retrieve it, unless there are files were the gambler left one, on his laptop or in his notes, nevertheless gambler should not hold too much account on their gambling, it's enough that you deposit some when you played.

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Quote from: milewilda on January 27, 2018, 12:59:46 PM

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Quote from: investerS on January 27, 2018, 11:42:52 AM

Quote from: cryptotricks on January 27, 2018, 02:37:34 AM

If owner is so generous, he would contact their family/friends. But, i don't think there is any clause on this.

The problem is that "IF" because a gambler and gambling site owner have something in common and that is "Quest to accumulate more and more".

But lets believe good owners still exist..

People is always been greedy when it comes to money and i do agree on saying that the quest to accumulate more and more which is true but good owners do still exist but the issue here is that they would really have a hard time on searching for that gamblers identity specially most of the time we do play anonymously and tracking informations about the person is nearly impossible.

And that is why i think it is good the site owners take more data of the player when doing registration eg. Next of kin name, address, phone number etc.

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All the money lye on their account if a Gambler dies. But, the Gambler should be left behind his all the credentials of the account like Email ID and password and also, the gambling site details also. If the family members are wise enough they should have the at least the email password in their hand. So that, they can generate a new password by forgetting the password. In this way, they get to access their all money. If, the family don't know even the Gambling about so forget about the money to recover.

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Quote from: cryptotricks on January 27, 2018, 12:25:39 PM

Quote from: investerS on January 27, 2018, 11:42:52 AM

Quote from: cryptotricks on January 27, 2018, 02:37:34 AM

If owner is so generous, he would contact their family/friends. But, i don't think there is any clause on this.

The problem is that "IF" because a gambler and gambling site owner have something in common and that is "Quest to accumulate more and more".

But lets believe good owners still exist..

People is always been greedy when it comes to money and i do agree on saying that the quest to accumulate more and more which is true but good owners do still exist but the issue here is that they would really have a hard time on searching for that gamblers identity specially most of the time we do play anonymously and tracking informations about the person is nearly impossible.

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Quote from: investerS on January 27, 2018, 11:42:52 AM

Quote from: cryptotricks on January 27, 2018, 02:37:34 AM

If owner is so generous, he would contact their family/friends. But, i don't think there is any clause on this.

The problem is that "IF" because a gambler and gambling site owner have something in common and that is "Quest to accumulate more and more".

But lets believe good owners still exist..

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It seems odd that kind of scenario will happen in the first place. What I mean about that is all the gamblers that I know who win or wins big in a gambling site will instantly withdraw it as they know keeping it in a Wallet is much more safer and also it won't tempt them as easily as keeping it in the gambling site itself. If that kind of event ever happened I don't think that it will be in the gambling site's protocol to do so as you might be entering in a legal situation of them like showing them a death certificate for proof also an evidence that you are indeed one of their heirs.

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Quote from: cryptotricks on January 27, 2018, 02:37:34 AM

If owner is so generous, he would contact their family/friends. But, i don't think there is any clause on this.

The problem is that "IF" because a gambler and gambling site owner have something in common and that is "Quest to accumulate more and more".

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If owner is so generous, he would contact their family/friends. But, i don't think there is any clause on this.

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Quote from: veleten on January 24, 2018, 08:26:34 AM

since bitcoins are not even considered money or assets in the vast majority of the countries
there is no way in hell the relatives of the diceased could even try and return the coins legally
it is akin trying to prove your relative had coca cola caps stash under one of the trees of your neighbour
you don't know which neighbour or tree and nobody will bother with the caps anyways

I believe now everyone can convert their bitcoin into their own currency therefore it is really valuable to have some bitcoin right now. But in this case, I think as long as you can prove that you are the owner cousin or anything related and it is still reasonable then you still can claim it. You need to discuss this to the owner of the site to withdraw everything. The important thing is their recent address and email that they used

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It depends if there will be any relatives who will know or already know that the gambler has an account or money to his or her account because when we joined this games we did not file or there is no form that we sign for our dependents. The access is through email. If somebody knows it even if is not the gamblers relative they can still used it and claim. As long as you have access to the account you can claimed the money. And since bitcoin money is not yet considered as legal money that can be used to buy goods or any material or services their is no way to find this unless they have access.

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I think greed of money can never end for a person if he always wants more and more, and here is where the person goes wrong. If a person has already become a millionaire there is nothing bad to think of becoming a billionaire but he should keep in mind that he should have a stop on his greed for money at some point. In cryptocurrency you never know whats gonna happen next so its better that you become a lucky millionaire instead of becoming broken only because you thought that the price would rise.

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Quote from: investerS on January 12, 2018, 04:03:23 AM

I have been thinking of a question but have not got a suitable answer, in case a gambler or player who has big money in his account dies, what happens to his money? If the family eventually get to know he has money in that gambling account, how will they claim it if they dont have a password to the account or email? Does the owner of gambling site have a way of handling that or is it a free money for them to claim? Your response please.
I am referring to gambling sites like: bitsler, primedice, freebitco, cryptogames, etc

I can't imagine that they would be kept liable to pay anyone besides the original owner of the account.. And as others have mentioned, how would their family members even find out about this account? If it was me and I told my family about my accound and that I have loads of money on it I would guess they could just log on and withdraw the money, especially if it's BTC gambling. But if it were to happen after years I doubt it..

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Quote from: investerS on January 12, 2018, 04:03:23 AM

I have been thinking of a question but have not got a suitable answer, in case a gambler or player who has big money in his account dies, what happens to his money? If the family eventually get to know he has money in that gambling account, how will they claim it if they dont have a password to the account or email? Does the owner of gambling site have a way of handling that or is it a free money for them to claim? Your response please.
I am referring to gambling sites like: bitsler, primedice, freebitco, cryptogames, etc

Well, even of a gambler dies and has funds in his gambling site, his family still has a chance to recover the funds by giving evidence that the person is no more alive and funds needs to be handed over to the family. (Of course you need a valid proof of person claiming the funds is speaking truth and has valid proof to be his spouse Siblings)

This post made me think of a situation of a deceased person who has funds in his desktop wallet and no one has has access to his private key and password. Well in that case the bitcoins are lost forever.

Coming back to OP question again, if on the other hand no one claims the money, the site will eventually get hold of the funds. Maybe they have a policy of account not being used will be fortified and all funds will be credited to the gambling site.

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Quote from: audrey12 on January 24, 2018, 06:45:55 PM

You are referring to gambling site not the bitcoin in an online wallet in this case the owners or developers of particular gambling site might take the fund just in case the account has been idle for a long period let's say a year or two because they can actually access their players account so I don't think the wealth of a deceased person will go to nothing but if their wealth in on the wallet alone that's maybe no chance of retrieval.

This is not true.

Unless you got an online wallet where you actually hold the private key, then within a certain length of time the service can consider the coins are donations if they aren't withdrawn long after they go out of business.

When you deposit into an exchange like Bitfinex, right after they get your deposit its send to cold storage. So they have it in their possession. I haven't read the ToS but I am pretty sure it says that after 1-2-5 years or so, if the coins aren't withdrawn they will assume its a donation.

Only way would be if you used something like Copay wallet where you actually have possession of the account and not the app/service.

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You are referring to gambling site not the bitcoin in an online wallet in this case the owners or developers of particular gambling site might take the fund just in case the account has been idle for a long period let's say a year or two because they can actually access their players account so I don't think the wealth of a deceased person will go to nothing but if their wealth in on the wallet alone that's maybe no chance of retrieval.

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since bitcoins are not even considered money or assets in the vast majority of the countries
there is no way in hell the relatives of the diceased could even try and return the coins legally
it is akin trying to prove your relative had coca cola caps stash under one of the trees of your neighbour
you don't know which neighbour or tree and nobody will bother with the caps anyways

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Quote from: amacar2 on January 15, 2018, 08:35:22 AM

If other family members have access to bitcoin wallet of that gambler than they can contact casino and provide enough proofs to prove that he/she is relatives of the gambler who is no more alive. Alternatively they can reset password for that casino as they can easily get access to gamblers email in his mobile/pc.

However haven't heard such case till now and also haven't seen any terms and condition regarding this mentioned in tos of any casino site.

Too much 'if' here I think , the sure thing are the money deposited in the site would automatically belong to the casino whenever on certain period it's didn't get cashed out or until the day the casino shutdown, op might expect to have the same rules as banks manage customer's rights in case the owner Died, it won't happened here, it won't work.

How long is will that be? Because some people do not play on that site not just because he died, sometimes they played too much site and forgot where thay he played at. May be on this case, players died but is there any period of times before they claimed their money will turn to be part of the casino? Each casino must have their own limit to get this

No one know what would happens to the money left in a casino or an unclaimed winning due that kind reasons , as far as I know there's no specific rules mention about this so I assume it would belong to the casino, not sure if it could be claimed some day especially when you gamble at bitcoin casino where it runs anonymously.

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If the money is on his/her banking account, than his/her family will be quite happy about that, because they can access the bank account of their family few months after that. Cool

In my country, for example, the account of a dead person is frozen for 6 months, than his family (either wife or kids) get the access to the funds. I would pay to see their faces at that moment. Grin

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Quote from: poplolnman on January 23, 2018, 01:13:16 AM

Quote from: amacar2 on January 15, 2018, 08:35:22 AM

If other family members have access to bitcoin wallet of that gambler than they can contact casino and provide enough proofs to prove that he/she is relatives of the gambler who is no more alive. Alternatively they can reset password for that casino as they can easily get access to gamblers email in his mobile/pc.

However haven't heard such case till now and also haven't seen any terms and condition regarding this mentioned in tos of any casino site.

Too much 'if' here I think , the sure thing are the money deposited in the site would automatically belong to the casino whenever on certain period it's didn't get cashed out or until the day the casino shutdown, op might expect to have the same rules as banks manage customer's rights in case the owner Died, it won't happened here, it won't work.

How long is will that be? Because some people do not play on that site not just because he died, sometimes they played too much site and forgot where thay he played at. May be on this case, players died but is there any period of times before they claimed their money will turn to be part of the casino? Each casino must have their own limit to get this

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Quote from: investerS on January 12, 2018, 04:03:23 AM

I have been thinking of a question but have not got a suitable answer, in case a gambler or player who has big money in his account dies, what happens to his money? If the family eventually get to know he has money in that gambling account, how will they claim it if they dont have a password to the account or email? Does the owner of gambling site have a way of handling that or is it a free money for them to claim? Your response please.
I am referring to gambling sites like: bitsler, primedice, freebitco, cryptogames, etc

I think the family would be out of luck. That is why you need to tell loved ones who you trust how to access all your crytpo.

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Quote from: Amit nandal on January 23, 2018, 12:31:05 PM

Gambler/player is a small word but no one knows how a gambler/player play...according to me everyone is a gambler because life is also a gamble..
Gambler/player is also a human being which have a family and none of the families are happy after someone gets die..

Your post is fucking lit mate! As the kids say nowadays Grin

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Gambler/player is a small word but no one knows how a gambler/player play...according to me everyone is a gambler because life is also a gamble..
Gambler/player is also a human being which have a family and none of the families are happy after someone gets die..

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Quote from: amacar2 on January 15, 2018, 08:35:22 AM

If other family members have access to bitcoin wallet of that gambler than they can contact casino and provide enough proofs to prove that he/she is relatives of the gambler who is no more alive. Alternatively they can reset password for that casino as they can easily get access to gamblers email in his mobile/pc.

However haven't heard such case till now and also haven't seen any terms and condition regarding this mentioned in tos of any casino site.

Too much 'if' here I think , the sure thing are the money deposited in the site would automatically belong to the casino whenever on certain period it's didn't get cashed out or until the day the casino shutdown, op might expect to have the same rules as banks manage customer's rights in case the owner Died, it won't happened here, it won't work.

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Quote from: debuni on January 22, 2018, 06:02:00 PM

Without username + pass + 2FA /optional but recommended/ - Simply they can't. They can't prove ownership in any way. The only exception I'm thinking of is signing a message from the deposited address, but then you still need to have pass/priv key.

It's the same when anybody dies and nobody else is knowing his wallet pass or private keys.

So better to tell someone about your holdings cause this might be worthless and you just wasted your time earning what you have right now. This is a decentralized world, its hard to know if the person really dies or someone is trying to get your holdings. If a person dies your account will stay but later on will marked as inactive and the gambling site will take all your money for good.

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Without username + pass + 2FA /optional but recommended/ - Simply they can't. They can't prove ownership in any way. The only exception I'm thinking of is signing a message from the deposited address, but then you still need to have pass/priv key.

It's the same when anybody dies and nobody else is knowing his wallet pass or private keys.

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Quote from: investerS on January 12, 2018, 04:03:23 AM

I have been thinking of a question but have not got a suitable answer, in case a gambler or player who has big money in his account dies, what happens to his money? If the family eventually get to know he has money in that gambling account, how will they claim it if they dont have a password to the account or email? Does the owner of gambling site have a way of handling that or is it a free money for them to claim? Your response please.
I am referring to gambling sites like: bitsler, primedice, freebitco, cryptogames, etc

I don't think you will find a definite answer here, in this thread. I would suggest you to ask the question directly to casinos representatives and owners over here in their respective threads. Personally, I think it would greatly depend on whether you or the family of the deceased can prove they have the private key of the wallet from which the money was transferred to the account. If you can do this, then some casinos may give the money back, especially if you can provide some other proofs linking you to the deceased. But as I said, you'd better ask casino owners themselves.

Much easier if the gambler put his keys, passwords, usernames on a notebook at home and tell who he trusts where it's stored. In case of death, all the informations will be there, saving a lot of time and avoiding a lot of stress in a sad moment like that. It's like any other patrimony, if you don't organize it before dying, it will be complicated for successors to claim it.

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Quote from: investerS on January 12, 2018, 04:03:23 AM

I have been thinking of a question but have not got a suitable answer, in case a gambler or player who has big money in his account dies, what happens to his money? If the family eventually get to know he has money in that gambling account, how will they claim it if they dont have a password to the account or email? Does the owner of gambling site have a way of handling that or is it a free money for them to claim? Your response please.
I am referring to gambling sites like: bitsler, primedice, freebitco, cryptogames, etc

I don't think you will find a definite answer here, in this thread. I would suggest you to ask the question directly to casinos representatives and owners over here in their respective threads. Personally, I think it would greatly depend on whether you or the family of the deceased can prove they have the private key of the wallet from which the money was transferred to the account. If you can do this, then some casinos may give the money back, especially if you can provide some other proofs linking you to the deceased. But as I said, you'd better ask casino owners themselves.

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Quote from: eternalgloom on January 15, 2018, 08:35:04 AM

I'm of the opinion that it's the players responsibility to make sure relatives have access to any accounts that have any value on them.
In most cases, your partner at least knows how to access your e-mail account, that would also be sufficient to gain access to any gambling accounts etc.

I have no doubt that my own partner can access all funds tied to my name, offline or online.
This is stuff you need to plan for, however unlikely that it may seem for it to happen, be prepared.

We all know that not all husbands or men do tell secrets even on their wives of husbands which they will keep that information as private as they can. We do have the same views on handling informations thats should not be kept alone or doesnt let your partner or relatives know on those informations.We dont have control over death but atleast we are already prepared.

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Quote from: LuanX3 on January 19, 2018, 12:36:15 AM

Pretty interesting, I guess it would be on a case to case basis or should I say site to site. Since this will really depend on the circumstance of the person and the policy of the gambling site. It will really be hard to say if the owner did die or if someone was just able to hack the account and pretending to be the family of the dead gambler. It will really hard to say especially that there is no KYC on 99% of the cryptocurrency gambling sites.

Really hard to find out if the person really dies, I think if this thing happen your money will stay on your account until the site notice of your inactive status and will lock it for sure. Well, if you really want to make your money worth it try to tell about this on a trusted member of your family so at least if something happen to you, your money will help your family to survive even if without you.

The thing here is that we wont able to say such thing because whose man would able to know on when he would die? I would be sure that most of us will make this a secret because we dont like for our family to know on what we are spending on specially on gambling.For the house itself its hard to determine directly if the owner dies but on big amounts being store on the account it will surely call an attention.

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Quote from: LuanX3 on January 19, 2018, 12:36:15 AM

Pretty interesting, I guess it would be on a case to case basis or should I say site to site. Since this will really depend on the circumstance of the person and the policy of the gambling site. It will really be hard to say if the owner did die or if someone was just able to hack the account and pretending to be the family of the dead gambler. It will really hard to say especially that there is no KYC on 99% of the cryptocurrency gambling sites.

Really hard to find out if the person really dies, I think if this thing happen your money will stay on your account until the site notice of your inactive status and will lock it for sure. Well, if you really want to make your money worth it try to tell about this on a trusted member of your family so at least if something happen to you, your money will help your family to survive even if without you.

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Quote from: piloder on January 19, 2018, 02:36:09 AM

I don't think there is any such rules in any casino if they are not registered somewhere and if the amount stucked in account is not big than casino might not care about returning those amount.

The only way to prove ownership in casino right now is access to registered email address or bitcoin address from which user have deposited before.

And there is just one way to prove ownership? Let's say for example nitrogen you can register and play just with password, so what kind of ownership you can possibly have?
Its not about casino or law here, simply if you have the keys you can get to the money, in this particular case keys are username or email and passwords, if you don't have it will stay there until casino replenish that amount after years of inactivity or shutting down casino.

What do you mean you can play with just password, is there no 2fa things to make sure your account is safe? And more over you really need to have email to register on any site, you can't just register with some of your password only. To retrieve it back you will face some questions to be asked to maeke sure you are the owner or even you close to them. So without those, you cant retrieve it, not even a penny. But usually 2fa, password and email can do everything

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Quote from: piloder on January 19, 2018, 02:36:09 AM

I don't think there is any such rules in any casino if they are not registered somewhere and if the amount stucked in account is not big than casino might not care about returning those amount.

The only way to prove ownership in casino right now is access to registered email address or bitcoin address from which user have deposited before.

And there is just one way to prove ownership? Let's say for example nitrogen you can register and play just with password, so what kind of ownership you can possibly have?
Its not about casino or law here, simply if you have the keys you can get to the money, in this particular case keys are username or email and passwords, if you don't have it will stay there until casino replenish that amount after years of inactivity or shutting down casino.

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I don't think there is any such rules in any casino if they are not registered somewhere and if the amount stucked in account is not big than casino might not care about returning those amount.

The only way to prove ownership in casino right now is access to registered email address or bitcoin address from which user have deposited before.

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Pretty interesting, I guess it would be on a case to case basis or should I say site to site. Since this will really depend on the circumstance of the person and the policy of the gambling site. It will really be hard to say if the owner did die or if someone was just able to hack the account and pretending to be the family of the dead gambler. It will really hard to say especially that there is no KYC on 99% of the cryptocurrency gambling sites.

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There is only one way for the family of a deceased person can access all his wealth in crypto currencies that is if they know the authentication needed to open their accounts but as far as I know only few people here share every details about their earnings or savings. But this thing should be consider because as we all know nothing here is permament and none can tell when will our last day in earth so we should prepare something for this issue better make some sort of information in a sheet of paper then put in your vault.

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I am pretty sure this already happened a few times on old sites like Primedice.

Either the gambler lost his username/password, died, or got Alzheimer, etc.

Unless someone finds his computer and manages to find the username/password he used, then its probably impossible to get it back.

If a site goes out of business. They will most likely give everyone notice "Please withdraw within next 365 days" and then they consider it as a donation.

I am pretty sure there is a clause written somewhere in the terms. That if the money is not withdrawn within a specific time-frame its considered a donation.

Pretty much alot of pools do that these days even.

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If other family members have access to bitcoin wallet of that gambler than they can contact casino and provide enough proofs to prove that he/she is relatives of the gambler who is no more alive. Alternatively they can reset password for that casino as they can easily get access to gamblers email in his mobile/pc.

However haven't heard such case till now and also haven't seen any terms and condition regarding this mentioned in tos of any casino site.

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I'm of the opinion that it's the players responsibility to make sure relatives have access to any accounts that have any value on them.
In most cases, your partner at least knows how to access your e-mail account, that would also be sufficient to gain access to any gambling accounts etc.

I have no doubt that my own partner can access all funds tied to my name, offline or online.
This is stuff you need to plan for, however unlikely that it may seem for it to happen, be prepared.

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Quote from: investerS on January 12, 2018, 04:03:23 AM

I have been thinking of a question but have not got a suitable answer, in case a gambler or player who has big money in his account dies, what happens to his money? If the family eventually get to know he has money in that gambling account, how will they claim it if they dont have a password to the account or email? Does the owner of gambling site have a way of handling that or is it a free money for them to claim? Your response please.
I am referring to gambling sites like: bitsler, primedice, freebitco, cryptogames, etc

How can you died while you are gambling, does not make sense here? I believe if someone dying they should move every single of his coin to his own wallet and ask people to change it to their own fiat, people with such a stroke or may be heart attack might even have some safety on their coin first to every other things. And btw if you gambling online do you even let other people about it?

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Quote from: xPPx on January 13, 2018, 12:10:30 PM

With NitrogenSports, the money stays in the account. I have a referral that has 0.4999BTC sitting in his account for months. Zero bets...

Pretty sure the rules say the funds are kept for 2 or 3 years usually.
But I think you are wrong about Nitrogen, the affiliate section tells you the total amount deposited but it does not tell you if the funds have been withdrawn or not (or correct me if I am wrong).

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Quote from: investerS on January 12, 2018, 04:03:23 AM

I have been thinking of a question but have not got a suitable answer, in case a gambler or player who has big money in his account dies, what happens to his money? If the family eventually get to know he has money in that gambling account, how will they claim it if they dont have a password to the account or email? Does the owner of gambling site have a way of handling that or is it a free money for them to claim? Your response please.
I am referring to gambling sites like: bitsler, primedice, freebitco, cryptogames, etc

Interesting scenario! but I think there has to be a policy regarding this on every gambling site.

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Unfortunately, I believe that the money will be stuck inside the user's account. No one can give you something that does not belong to you. And even if they find out that his family want to get the money, it is not guaranteed that the user wanted the money to be given to his family in the first place.

Moreover, the user should always withdraw the money in case something bad happens to him, and then he stores his money in a safe place. I think that is a good option for him.

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what if your in prison for 5 years. will your balance be untouched when you get out on parole?

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With NitrogenSports, the money stays in the account. I have a referral that has 0.4999BTC sitting in his account for months. Zero bets...

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Quote from: audaciousbeing on January 13, 2018, 10:26:42 AM

Welcome to the world of crypto where anonymity is sacred especially when it comes to gambling. Its not a fiat gambling site where you fill your details and even next of kin details in case something happen to you. Here the individual is who is important and no one else.

You're wrong.Here Money is more important than anything else.Everything else is secondary.Details are filled here as well,just to make sure the money is taken/given to the right individuals.

Quote from: audaciousbeing on January 13, 2018, 10:26:42 AM

In the case of death, its the same thing as someone dying with a sizeable amount of bitcoin in his wallet no matter how big it worth, if he unfortunately did not tell anyone his password, wallet keys etc. its simply the case of a hen faced with a bottle full of grains. Without those things, it will be there forever.

Don't think you have access to the private keys stored on any of the gambling websites.Another reason why they shouldn't be used as a wallet.

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Quote from: investerS on January 12, 2018, 04:03:23 AM

I have been thinking of a question but have not got a suitable answer, in case a gambler or player who has big money in his account dies, what happens to his money? If the family eventually get to know he has money in that gambling account, how will they claim it if they dont have a password to the account or email? Does the owner of gambling site have a way of handling that or is it a free money for them to claim? Your response please.
I am referring to gambling sites like: bitsler, primedice, freebitco, cryptogames, etc

Welcome to the world of crypto where anonymity is sacred especially when it comes to gambling. Its not a fiat gambling site where you fill your details and even next of kin details in case something happen to you. Here the individual is who is important and no one else.

In the case of death, its the same thing as someone dying with a sizeable amount of bitcoin in his wallet no matter how big it worth, if he unfortunately did not tell anyone his password, wallet keys etc. its simply the case of a hen faced with a bottle full of grains. Without those things, it will be there forever.

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Quote from: veleten on January 12, 2018, 10:59:34 AM

Quote from: investerS on January 12, 2018, 04:03:23 AM

I have been thinking of a question but have not got a suitable answer, in case a gambler or player who has big money in his account dies, what happens to his money? If the family eventually get to know he has money in that gambling account, how will they claim it if they dont have a password to the account or email? Does the owner of gambling site have a way of handling that or is it a free money for them to claim? Your response please.
I am referring to gambling sites like: bitsler, primedice, freebitco, cryptogames, etc

certainly it is free money for the site
how do they know that the family member of an anonymous player is actually his relative
or who the hell was that player at all if some even do not have email registered
so if you have some big coins at one of the dice sites,better do not die

That's more like it, because all the casinos cited by OP are based on cryptocurrencies and most people that patronizes this type of casinos are mostly unwilling to share even their real email addresses, making it harder to identify the real owner of an account even if the house be willing to cooperate. To forestall all those hiccups, it should get to a point where a player starts to keep traces for their next of kin just in case, but the best bet is probably to never turn a casino into a bank.

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Quote from: investerS on January 12, 2018, 04:03:23 AM

I have been thinking of a question but have not got a suitable answer, in case a gambler or player who has big money in his account dies, what happens to his money?

Money will stay in his account until account become inactive and gambling site lock it or gambling site goes down. [1]

Quote from: investerS on January 12, 2018, 04:03:23 AM

If the family eventually get to know he has money in that gambling account, how will they claim it if they dont have a password to the account or email?

They won't.

Quote from: investerS on January 12, 2018, 04:03:23 AM

Does the owner of gambling site have a way of handling that or is it a free money for them to claim?

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We should not pray for death! However, it is good for us to make provision for that as we would need our love one to get all that we labour for in time of death. gambling is a game of risk and many of them did not make provisions for next of kid in their applications form and the gambling companies has to add this to their application forms.

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Quote from: Mike Mayor on January 12, 2018, 02:01:37 PM

The credits should remain in the account for as long as the casino is around for. I don't see why you are making a thread about this. Obviously the account cannot be accessed. It has been like that with anything online that requires login info. Give your login details to loved nes if you have an investment. You should anyway because then yes u always have an off-site backup.

I suggest making a file or piece of paper with your log in information and put it only somewhere that would be accessed if you died.

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Probably would best idea for "gambler" make a safe-deposit box and put information down in case he "dies".The family who might knew or had a hunch about his gambling addiction, may or not check by the information he left them. But eh, who would trust a bank with that secret Cheesy

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I doubt any online gambling site as you mention has ever thought about it, but I might be wrong to.

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The credits should remain in the account for as long as the casino is around for. I don't see why you are making a thread about this. Obviously the account cannot be accessed. It has been like that with anything online that requires login info. Give your login details to loved nes if you have an investment. You should anyway because then yes u always have an off-site backup.

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Quote from: investerS on January 12, 2018, 04:03:23 AM

I have been thinking of a question but have not got a suitable answer, in case a gambler or player who has big money in his account dies, what happens to his money? If the family eventually get to know he has money in that gambling account, how will they claim it if they dont have a password to the account or email? Does the owner of gambling site have a way of handling that or is it a free money for them to claim? Your response please.
I am referring to gambling sites like: bitsler, primedice, freebitco, cryptogames, etc

It should obvious that if no one has control of the gambler's account, then no one can access to it. Gambling sites owner has nothing to do with it and the balance will stay there based on the rule where active accounts should stay.

Quote from: investerS on January 12, 2018, 12:09:52 PM

Appreciate all your responses, but i like to suggest to gambling site owners to include the details of next of kin to gamblers registration should in case of evetualities they can reach out to such person, provided they will be faithful to do so.
I imagine a scenario whereby someone playing on his system and something just happened and the player is gone.

Online gambling world are not designed that way especially here in crypto world. Gamblers itself must be responsible enough to have at least a list of their personal accounts and passwords and hand them to their trusted person in the family. Same scenario when you are holding any cryptocurrencies.

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Quote from: investerS on January 12, 2018, 12:09:52 PM

Appreciate all your responses, but i like to suggest to gambling site owners to include the details of next of kin to gamblers registration should in case of evetualities they can reach out to such person, provided they will be faithful to do so.
I imagine a scenario whereby someone playing on his system and something just happened and the player is gone.

Most of the online gamblers rather prefer to be anonymous due to location/government restrictions.So gambling sites will be least interested in providing such services as they will have a potential loss in the customers if they forcibly ask for personal details.Also the chances of a person dying in an online gambling environment with bitcoin lowers down the sample space of the events.So not worth taking an action just to take care of those cases.

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Appreciate all your responses, but i like to suggest to gambling site owners to include the details of next of kin to gamblers registration should in case of evetualities they can reach out to such person, provided they will be faithful to do so.
I imagine a scenario whereby someone playing on his system and something just happened and the player is gone.

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The only one that can assure that the money will go straight to any individual of his choise, is the gambler .
So if he wants to secure a transition of his funds/earnings to literaly anyone,can store his pass etc and the "know how newbie guide".

Without his guide,he knows that his money will be freeze for start and then probably taken from the casino owner.
Best and only solution is to make a hand written will. Cool

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Quote from: investerS on January 12, 2018, 04:03:23 AM

I have been thinking of a question but have not got a suitable answer, in case a gambler or player who has big money in his account dies, what happens to his money? If the family eventually get to know he has money in that gambling account, how will they claim it if they dont have a password to the account or email? Does the owner of gambling site have a way of handling that or is it a free money for them to claim? Your response please.
I am referring to gambling sites like: bitsler, primedice, freebitco, cryptogames, etc

certainly it is free money for the site
how do they know that the family member of an anonymous player is actually his relative
or who the hell was that player at all if some even do not have email registered
so if you have some big coins at one of the dice sites,better do not die

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Quote from: investerS on January 12, 2018, 04:03:23 AM

I have been thinking of a question but have not got a suitable answer, in case a gambler or player who has big money in his account dies, what happens to his money? If the family eventually get to know he has money in that gambling account, how will they claim it if they dont have a password to the account or email? Does the owner of gambling site have a way of handling that or is it a free money for them to claim? Your response please.
I am referring to gambling sites like: bitsler, primedice, freebitco, cryptogames, etc

But how could the family know if their member still has some balance left on a gambling site? its pretty hard in many ways so I assume it will be a free money for the casino owner and most gambling sites don't have personal info of their player to contact their immediate family incase the owner found out that there are no movements on 1 account

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Quote from: casinolize.com on January 12, 2018, 08:14:27 AM

good question. being a casino owner we should think about this. let me discuss with our advisor regarding this

Its possible if you'd want to but I want to say that gambling sites don't need info of a player most of the time because you can just put up an email and set some password then confirmed it to your email then you are good to go. Gambling sites do even have a direct way of registering with username and password which we cant see any information of a player.If the player dies then I do consider those funds would be a free money for houses which recovering would really be hard.

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good question. being a casino owner we should think about this. let me discuss with our advisor regarding this

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Quote from: investerS on January 12, 2018, 04:03:23 AM

I have been thinking of a question but have not got a suitable answer, in case a gambler or player who has big money in his account dies, what happens to his money? If the family eventually get to know he has money in that gambling account, how will they claim it if they dont have a password to the account or email? Does the owner of gambling site have a way of handling that or is it a free money for them to claim? Your response please.
I am referring to gambling sites like: bitsler, primedice, freebitco, cryptogames, etc

I'm sure each site will have their own policy regarding this kind of situation. If the family member of such gambler knows that their relative have some money on gambling site, there will be some things that can be used as evidence. Through wallet, email and so on. The family members can find the evidence through the equipment that gambler often use. I am sure something can be traced through such devices.

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Quote from: investerS on January 12, 2018, 04:03:23 AM

I have been thinking of a question but have not got a suitable answer, in case a gambler or player who has big money in his account dies, what happens to his money? If the family eventually get to know he has money in that gambling account, how will they claim it if they dont have a password to the account or email? Does the owner of gambling site have a way of handling that or is it a free money for them to claim? Your response please.
I am referring to gambling sites like: bitsler, primedice, freebitco, cryptogames, etc

That will be stuck on his account if no one knows his log in details. If you'll read the TOS of a gambling site there will be some situations that are given like this and the decision will depend on the management of the gambling site. And I think there will be a time range if accounts that are inactive for years will be decided if it will be locked and the fund there will go to their bankroll.

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Quote from: investerS on January 12, 2018, 04:03:23 AM

I have been thinking of a question but have not got a suitable answer, in case a gambler or player who has big money in his account dies, what happens to his money? If the family eventually get to know he has money in that gambling account, how will they claim it if they dont have a password to the account or email? Does the owner of gambling site have a way of handling that or is it a free money for them to claim? Your response please.
I am referring to gambling sites like: bitsler, primedice, freebitco, cryptogames, etc

This would really be a hard question because we wont even know if this thing possible happened already or not.First question is on how did the family find out that his husband do have a gambling account online?For sure no man will easily tell to her wife about his activity online because it would really be a big problem. Second, house will hardly verify if its true or not knowing that most gambling sites as of now doesnt really require too much information of a gambler.Therefore, i think off regarding on this thing isnt possible to have such claims.

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Quote from: investerS on January 12, 2018, 04:03:23 AM

I have been thinking of a question but have not got a suitable answer, in case a gambler or player who has big money in his account dies, what happens to his money? If the family eventually get to know he has money in that gambling account, how will they claim it if they dont have a password to the account or email? Does the owner of gambling site have a way of handling that or is it a free money for them to claim? Your response please.
I am referring to gambling sites like: bitsler, primedice, freebitco, cryptogames, etc

- There is hardly anything the websites can do in this case.I mean anyone can come up with a fake case which wouldn't show relevant proofs until they have access to the supposedly 'dead' family member.

- Being a rich gambler one can always keep all their funds on a shared wallet if they think their death shouldn't destroy their holdings.And the global rule follows anyway : Don't store coins on an online service since you never know how vulnerable the website can be.

- Also I don't think any family member would want to know their 'dear one' was a gambler.

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On a casino or bookmaker it would be possible for the house to try to contact the person's family and give back the money (even though I never read in any terms and conditions such situation mentioned but surely the moral wants the house to try to give the money back. But how is the house suppose to know the person is gone?
And on a casino or gambling website related to crypto-currencies I do not see how this is possible anyway.

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Quote from: investerS on January 12, 2018, 04:03:23 AM

I have been thinking of a question but have not got a suitable answer, in case a gambler or player who has big money in his account dies, what happens to his money? If the family eventually get to know he has money in that gambling account, how will they claim it if they dont have a password to the account or email? Does the owner of gambling site have a way of handling that or is it a free money for them to claim? Your response please.
I am referring to gambling sites like: bitsler, primedice, freebitco, cryptogames, etc

How will the family find out he had lot of money? Let's assume he told them, or in second case they found out his password. I don't think that any of the site you mentioned will release fund's for anyone based on the user name of the deceased person, this way anyone would approach the site's. If they had the password why would they need site's permission. So I feel it's best to understand that it's lost, unless they can recover the password, as none of the gambling site's ask for identity proof. I feel it's lost forever, also shift this topic to gambling discussion for a more discussion.

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I have been thinking of a question but have not got a suitable answer, in case a gambler or player who has big money in his account dies, what happens to his money? If the family eventually get to know he has money in that gambling account, how will they claim it if they dont have a password to the account or email? Does the owner of gambling site have a way of handling that or is it a free money for them to claim? Your response please.
I am referring to gambling sites like: bitsler, primedice, freebitco, cryptogames, etc

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