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June 07, 2012, 07:35:28 AM
#30
You wont find it in real live, as humans tend to fail. Fail to follow a great plan whilst they see a chance to gather some jewels on their own behalf.
On the other hand, how would you communicate or interact with other people in an anarchy? Communication without rules is pointless.

p.s.
Maybe we should tell Anomie and Anarchy apart.

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June 05, 2012, 12:15:22 PM
#29
You can't - humans always gang up and appoint leaders.  There never had been nor will there every be a society without a publicly enforced government or violently enforced political authority.

If that is your reason not to support freedom, then I can only conclude you must support murder. After all, there never had been nor will there ever be a society without murders.

I support freedom.  Anarchy is not freedom - its a prelude to slavery.

It's a prelude to slavery or organized government, possibly taking the route of slavery first. Either way, it either doesn't remain pleasant, or it becomes governed.
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June 05, 2012, 11:39:41 AM
#28
You can't - humans always gang up and appoint leaders.  There never had been nor will there every be a society without a publicly enforced government or violently enforced political authority.

If that is your reason not to support freedom, then I can only conclude you must support murder. After all, there never had been nor will there ever be a society without murders.

I support freedom.  Anarchy is not freedom - its a prelude to slavery.
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June 05, 2012, 11:37:32 AM
#27
You can't - humans always gang up and appoint leaders.  There never had been nor will there every be a society without a publicly enforced government or violently enforced political authority.

If that is your reason not to support freedom, then I can only conclude you must support murder. After all, there never had been nor will there ever be a society without murders.
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June 05, 2012, 11:32:13 AM
#26
There is no law
This is where I stopped reading

Good.  You have now answered your own question about whether law enforcement officers are needed in an anarchy. 

Tomorrow we will get on to more advanced topics like what religion is the Pope and what is that bear doing in the woods.
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June 05, 2012, 11:24:43 AM
#25
There is no law
This is where I stopped reading
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June 05, 2012, 11:22:32 AM
#24
Everybody loves anarchy until I shoot them in the gut, leave them for dead and take their wife as a slave. Then they are all like "Help! Police!".
Because there are no law enforcement agencies in a stateless society!

Correct.  There is no law so no law enforcement.
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June 05, 2012, 10:58:54 AM
#23
Everybody loves anarchy until I shoot them in the gut, leave them for dead and take their wife as a slave. Then they are all like "Help! Police!".
Because there are no law enforcement agencies in a stateless society!
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June 05, 2012, 10:13:01 AM
#22
Everybody loves anarchy until I shoot them in the gut, leave them for dead and take their wife as a slave. Then they are all like "Help! Police!".
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June 04, 2012, 05:41:53 AM
#21
LOL. I hope some libertarian goes to Somalia, and makes documentary about how great the somalian society is.
We should organise a reward for any libertarian on the forum (with many pro-libertarian posts) who is willing to travel to Somalia, provably live like a peasant in the city for 12 months, documenting their lives as they go with photos etc, then come back and tell us if it was great or not.  I'd offer $100 for that.

Secondly, the article talks about, for example, how great telecomms is in Somalia - 9 networks offering services from texting to mobile internet.  I wonder how easy it would be for a new small operator to break into that market - would the existing operators welcome the new competition?  Or would the new operator find his telecomms masts sabotaged?  Or high pricing for rental space on existing masts?  Or maybe his staff threatened?  No law = mafia-esque regulation of the market.  Now don't go telling me the current (western) situation is not much better (e.g. oil, telecomms, agri, industries lobbying to legally protect their market share).  I know.
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May 29, 2012, 03:15:58 AM
#20
So true.  Somalia does not need to make the mistake of the Europe or the United States again.  Governments start out protecting the people, in the end they steal from the people.  I did notice there is still law in Somalia.  If you lived in a gated community and your business had guards Somalia would be better off without any government.  
In the article you guys are basing all the Somali optimism on, it clearly says that Somalia is living off remittances.  Its people are having to go abroad to work in countries that have governments and send money home.
That is not something they are happy with.  It explains why there is a large Somali population in London - they like having a state.

Read this:
http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=1880
http://www.independent.org/pdf/working_papers/64_somalia.pdf
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Yes.  It says that the Xeer legal system worked fine for a short while and then "In 2004, the Transitional Federal Government (TFG) was created in exile with U.N. backing. In February 2006 it entered Somalia, and so far, controls only the town of Baidoa."

The result was war and famine which continues to this day.

That is the essential problem with anarchy.  You might have a working system within your small community and you might be able to live off remittances.  But you won't be left alone.  In Somalia's case, the US, Ethiopia and Eritrea all have armed proxies operating in the country.  In Afghanistan's case, you have the US and NATO on the ground along with proxy armies of India and Pakistan.  If you don't have your own state, this is what happens.
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May 28, 2012, 01:25:39 PM
#19
So true.  Somalia does not need to make the mistake of the Europe or the United States again.  Governments start out protecting the people, in the end they steal from the people.  I did notice there is still law in Somalia.  If you lived in a gated community and your business had guards Somalia would be better off without any government. 
In the article you guys are basing all the Somali optimism on, it clearly says that Somalia is living off remittances.  Its people are having to go abroad to work in countries that have governments and send money home.
That is not something they are happy with.  It explains why there is a large Somali population in London - they like having a state.
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Read this:
http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=1880
http://www.independent.org/pdf/working_papers/64_somalia.pdf
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May 12, 2012, 12:11:20 AM
#18
LOL. I hope some libertarian goes to Somalia, and makes documentary about how great the somalian society is.
Didn't Dr. Danger already do that?
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May 11, 2012, 10:18:27 PM
#17
Watch MESA:Living off The Grid - you can become one of those faggy vegan communists "Nowhere Kids" robbing broke people that bleed for everything they have and then tell them they are "hoarding".
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May 11, 2012, 05:41:17 AM
#16
LOL. I hope some libertarian goes to Somalia, and makes documentary about how great the somalian society is.
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May 10, 2012, 06:06:15 PM
#15

I hope Somalia continues it's course toward a free society and rejects the attempts by the UN to install a democracy.

So true.  Somalia does not need to make the mistake of the Europe or the United States again.  Governments start out protecting the people, in the end they steal from the people.  I did notice there is still law in Somalia.  If you lived in a gated community and your business had guards Somalia would be better off without any government. 

In the article you guys are basing all the Somali optimism on, it clearly says that Somalia is living off remittances.  Its people are having to go abroad to work in countries that have governments and send money home.

That is not something they are happy with.  It explains why there is a large Somali population in London - they like having a state.

Yes, Hawker. A free society is impossible. We get it.
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May 09, 2012, 06:00:09 PM
#14

I hope Somalia continues it's course toward a free society and rejects the attempts by the UN to install a democracy.

So true.  Somalia does not need to make the mistake of the Europe or the United States again.  Governments start out protecting the people, in the end they steal from the people.  I did notice there is still law in Somalia.  If you lived in a gated community and your business had guards Somalia would be better off without any government. 

In the article you guys are basing all the Somali optimism on, it clearly says that Somalia is living off remittances.  Its people are having to go abroad to work in countries that have governments and send money home.

That is not something they are happy with.  It explains why there is a large Somali population in London - they like having a state.
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May 09, 2012, 04:51:57 PM
#13

I hope Somalia continues it's course toward a free society and rejects the attempts by the UN to install a democracy.

So true.  Somalia does not need to make the mistake of the Europe or the United States again.  Governments start out protecting the people, in the end they steal from the people.  I did notice there is still law in Somalia.  If you lived in a gated community and your business had guards Somalia would be better off without any government. 
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May 08, 2012, 11:19:07 PM
#12
In your mind.
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May 08, 2012, 11:18:36 PM
#11
I need to find one ASAP
Somalia, the Libertarian wet dream. Please go there.
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May 08, 2012, 11:12:22 PM
#10
If it is anarchy you want, then join the CIA. It is their stock in trade. They will teach you marketing skills, weapons and bomb making, interrogation,  and any other skill that can be used to be disruptive and overthrow governments (including in the US). Their goal is hell on earth.
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May 08, 2012, 05:25:54 PM
#9
I need to find one ASAP

Have you tried Somalia?
And, strangely, they are getting the benefits of anarchy along with the, umm, slight inconveniences.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12278628


Yep, business is thriving in Somalia, but they still "need" a government for "stability". Though the article never mentions what the instability is. Perhaps stability is just a synonym for government? Never mind that the previous Government destroyed the country. Lots of opinion, no sources or justification.

I hope Somalia continues it's course toward a free society and rejects the attempts by the UN to install a democracy.
legendary
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May 08, 2012, 05:30:45 AM
#8
to the guy saying the Internet is anarchy, stop being silly.  The Internet is a government creation and if the government wanted, the Internet as we know it can be turned off by ICANN, a body whose members are government appointed and whose very existence depends on the government.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Yeah, ICANN has this big red button with key switches on either side of it, which has the magical ability to force arbitrary network operators (even those outside the US) to do whatever ICANN wants (most are already doing what ICANN wants, but only because ICANN doesn't want to "turn off" the Internet). Though it was never fully explained to me just how it works exactly... Roll Eyes

Seriously though, the power that ICANN and other governing bodies have over the Internet is purely voluntary. If their decisions prove unpopular, network operators can and will simply ignore them, except where required by local laws (and sometimes even then).

Exactly.  ICANN can told to stop DNS working and local ISPs can be told to close down.  The Internet is not in a state of anarchy - its regulated.
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May 08, 2012, 05:12:01 AM
#7
I need to find one ASAP

Have you tried Somalia?
And, strangely, they are getting the benefits of anarchy along with the, umm, slight inconveniences.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12278628
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May 08, 2012, 04:53:45 AM
#6
to the guy saying the Internet is anarchy, stop being silly.  The Internet is a government creation and if the government wanted, the Internet as we know it can be turned off by ICANN, a body whose members are government appointed and whose very existence depends on the government.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Yeah, ICANN has this big red button with key switches on either side of it, which has the magical ability to force arbitrary network operators (even those outside the US) to do whatever ICANN wants (most are already doing what ICANN wants, but only because ICANN doesn't want to "turn off" the Internet). Though it was never fully explained to me just how it works exactly... Roll Eyes

Seriously though, the power that ICANN and other governing bodies have over the Internet is purely voluntary. If their decisions prove unpopular, network operators can and will simply ignore them, except where required by local laws (and sometimes even then).
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May 07, 2012, 05:26:04 PM
#5
I need to find one ASAP

You can't - humans always gang up and appoint leaders.  There never had been nor will there every be a society without a publicly enforced government or violently enforced political authority.

to the guy saying the Internet is anarchy, stop being silly.  The Internet is a government creation and if the government wanted, the Internet as we know it can be turned off by ICANN, a body whose members are government appointed and whose very existence depends on the government.
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May 07, 2012, 03:54:54 PM
#4
I need to find one ASAP

Have you tried Somalia?
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May 07, 2012, 03:24:26 PM
#3
Right here. It's called the Internet. It seems to work pretty well all things considered.
brb calling the internet police
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BhGNDtyuug#t=18s
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May 07, 2012, 03:19:18 PM
#2
Right here. It's called the Internet. It seems to work pretty well all things considered.
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May 07, 2012, 10:31:58 AM
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I need to find one ASAP
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