Topic: Where did all the OG collectors go? (Read 1159 times)

I am still around and HODLING just havent been on here much 

I can see it actually with reference to the profile pics. Gamers are getting more and more revenue opportunities and I can’t think of a bigger flex then to be sporting a million dollar profile pic as an online gamer. They just need the infrastructure to improve so that games get profile pics from the blockchain that are verified instead of having you upload whatever image you want. I could see every professional gamer wanting to level up their profile pics to show off their level of success.

Yeah I agree, that would be a very good use of NFTs.  That is the kind of stuff that I think makes NFTs a pretty cool thing.  The art or sports cards aspect of NFTs I just remain a skeptical of.  Like you mention those Twitter profile pic NFT deals.  I find that to be a bit silly, and I am shocked to see people spending as much as they are on those.  I just can't imagine that those will appreciate in value and or hold their value long-term. 

I am still lurking in the dark corners of bitcointalk once in a while. I am mostly on closed groups on discord now.
I still have a love for Casascius coins, however trading them is not worth if for me because of the obvious difficulties with shipping.

Cheers ChiBitCTy, see you around, Feel free to PM me if you want to be nostalgic and talk about the good old days.

I think that the best use case for them right now would actually be tickets to events. Sports fans would I’m sure love to have a digital collection of events they’ve attended and knowing their tickets are legitimate, while it would allow events to profit from the secondary sales of tickets from scalpers. The fact that NFTs are doing so well and their main use case at the moment is profile pics on Twitter is pretty impressive.

I am highly skeptical of NFTs.  Personally I think NFT's for things like marriage licenses, birth certificates, etc are a great way to store those types of things, but when it comes to art or trading cards etc, color me extremely leery.  My personal prediction is that the majority of their values will plummet eventually.  Charlie Lee and I were chatting about this kind of stuff the other day.  When the creator of Litecoin hates "collectible NFTs", makes you wonder.  I of course could be wrong, and I do think some NFTs are kinda cool and that some should retain their value over time, but how much is what worries me personally.  Just my 2 satoshis.

The CNFT space (Cardano NFTs) is exploding right now. I strongly recommend that collectors don't sleep on it. Still nascent compared to ETH NFTs, but with dramatically lower fees than ETH (typically .17 ADA). You can find the secondary marketplace here (admittedly a work in progress): https://cnft.io/.

Ideally, you want to get in at the initial drop level, not the secondary market if possible. You can find info on drops here: https://www.wencnft.com/

You can see analytics on projects to discover good ones here https://opencnft.io/ and here https://cnftanalytics.io/php/legacyProjects.php/

Most of the projects have vibrant Discord communities listed on their websites. It is very easily possible to 10x your money if you get in at the drop level on good projects.

Okay, I'll shut up now....

Did someone say NFT? 

Here is my logo as an NFT

    https://rarible.com/token/0xd07dc4262bcdbf85190c01c996b4c06a461d2430:482626?tab=owners

We like the pepes and the monkeys (https://opensea.io/collection/onchainmonkey). oh and spells of genesis of course.

Also Primal Cypher and CryptoImperator for combining a coin with with NFTs. https://twitter.com/primal_cypher/status/1425101725187383301?s=20

You can find NFT communities by finding a project you like and reading where they conjugate. Typically Discord is the accepted norm these days, and Twitter is another great place to find and link up with likeminded folks to discover where they are contributing to their community. I personally have a slack group where I do most of my discussion on crypto, development, investing, & of course NastyMining.

Where can we find NFT community's?

The collectors who want to be OGs these days should be looking into NFT collectibles. I think loaded coins are cool, but they’re a bridge from the physical into the digital world. NFTs are the next step off that bridge and into the metaverse. Some really cool things being done around the sandbox project. NFT communities also remind me of the early days here, with talented individuals passionate to work together in a positive environment to build cool things.

Dope copper knuckles FTW!


Chris@TBPCo.

^^^ This +1,000,000.


Chris@TBPCo.

  Agree...and what about legendary accounts that are sodl? Anyone can be behind those as well.

Frank it would seem that you have already figured out (and quite quickly at that) that just because you're a Legendary member here, it doesn't mean a hill of beans ( or however that saying goes).  The fact of the matter is there is a whole army of Hero and Legendary members here who are complete and utter buffoons who don't have a freaking clue about what they are doing or talking about.  However I do like bitcointalk a lot, and I'm glad I was able to guide you here my friend

With out question I do.  Like I mentioned before I have been collecting coins since I was a little kid ( I may still act like one but unfortunately I'm now a grown ass man  ) and once I found bitcoin collectibles I greatly reduced my collecting of other types of coins. These are just so unique, have an appreciating aspect to them that almost no other coins have etc.  I mean we already have claim to the most valuable coin of all time...that is pretty cool !

Lots of members are OG for me.
When I see people registered in 2011 or 2013...  
When I see legendary status...  

And I like to read old Casascius' thread or The Laszlo Pizza's thread or the "10,000 BTC Auction" (starting bid 50 USD... one day it will be 10,000 satoshi for 50 USD).

Bitcointalk is amazing...

As a lot of people here I have the collector bug: Vintage Nasa Photographs, Art, Stones, .... I have some 90's swiss stamps or some silver Federer Coins that I am ready to trade for BTC....  

Stay humble and stack sats or cas'.

    I think they are....for example if you take a godl coin loaded with btc, not only do you have physical godl but also digital godl in one place!

    And that applies to all loaded items, as their value changes not only with the collectable item itself but also with the value of bitcoin. Unique!

do you think crypto collectables are some of the best collectables of all time?

Damn't KY Jelly I messaged you like I dunno a month ago or two and you never messaged me back..so I'm trying to chat. We do really need Tman back for the crazy things part..some more KY Jelly/Tman dare challenges was entertaining for all 


I also have had the collectors bug since I was a young kid.  I have been collecting both coins and baseball cards since I was 7-8 years old or so.  I can't ever see myself ever stopping collecting either of those things. For me when I found out that bitcoin had coins I was hooked.  The first bitcoin coin I ever bought was the 1oz copper anonymous mint coins that had a bitcoin symbol on one side and an Anonymous ( the hacker group ) symbol on the other.  I am infatuated with all 3, coins, bitcoin and Anonymous so it was an easy decision to buy a few tubes of those coins.  Then I started searching around on google and eventually came across Casascius coins and Kialaras.  Messaged both Mike and Max and got a response from both.  Max told me about the forum and that's when I signed up and was hooked.

Being a coin collector and bitcoin enthusiast I was in love with this type of collectible instantly. Nearly a life-long collector is why I can't see myself ever being fully done w/this space.  I think maybe that might also answer my question here, or some of it...perhaps many of the early day collectors were not that, collectors..they just were bitcoiners who liked the idea of keeping their coins on a fancy cold storage wallet but were never coin collectors or had the collecting bug like some of us do and that is why they didn't stick around.  Just a theory.

The escrow is a great method of making sure both parties are covered in a exchange of goods for BTC. Some other places on the internet that utilize BTC use an automated escrow system. When someone purchases goods in BTC the BTC is retained in a escrow wallet until the goods are received by the buyer and the buyer marks the order (received to order parameters). Once the buyer gives the go-ahead to the automated escrow, the sellers coins are released. If the buyer does not mark the goods as received the funds are generally available after to the buyer after 30 days. I think Eth's smart contract system was a way to get around using a third party escrow, but I haven't actually experienced it being used first hand yet.

Always glad to see new faces around here. 

What I see as truly unique to bitcointalk is the method and success of transactions using escrow.  If followed escrow on this site has given me nothing but 100% success in all of my transactions here.  Very unique in the fact that not a lot of members know each other irl.  If I had to guess collectibles has theost know irl friendships around.  Met some more legit people in here during meetups than friends I have "irl".

Obviously I am a newer face around here, I wasn't around during the golden age of crypto collectables (2011-2014).

Once you join this community and learn how the forum works and functions it suddenly becomes a really fun place to hangout.

I find myself logging in to checkout the latest posts, read some of the drama, look for scammers, check the auctions ect.

The trust and ranking mechanism is on par with one of the greatest metric systems I have ever seen for separation of not so good members from stellar members.

Regular social media (Twitter, Instagram, Facebook ect.) lacks a community of dedicated users and is awash with low quality content. The trust mechanism acts as a genius way of sorting out who is serious and who is just a troll (Twitter, Instagram, Facebook ect.) don't have this mechanism and they suffer with a lack of user engagement and true, robust communities.

When it comes to the economy of the forum, this is an oasis of decentralization. This forum constitutes one of the only places in the whole entirety of the internet where someone can make a living/ decent money selling their artwork or passions for crypto. This forum consists of a very robust and strong community of deeply caring users who not only care about each other but also care about seeing crypto blossom. Nowhere else on the internet can such a wonderful ecosystem of buyers and sellers thrive.

Im really happy to have joined this forum, ive had a great time so far

I don't have any misunderstanding on it at all. I understand it fully. I am only saying that if an item loses btc value but gains usd value, then in those cases, it simply would have been better to hodl the btc. Will the person still owe taxes for the increased fiat value? sure. Never said otherwise.


and yes, do some raffles!

Thanks Og

This is a misunderstanding of how value is accounted for when transferred.  As previously stated, I'm not saying what would have been be better, I'm saying what is.  What you are spending doesn't matter at all.  It's the amount of value that is transferred.  Bitcoin has made a historically horrible way to value anything over time, so when making purchases you use a currency that is used to actually value assets for real life purposes (not how Bitcoiners want them to be valued, how the government you pay taxes to actually values them).  Here on earth, the US Dollar is the reserve currency, so that is the standard currency we human beings use to measure value over time globally.  Whether you spent Bitcoin, dink doinks, gold, or doll hairs, the only thing that matters for your cost basis is the unit of account, and as stated, here on earth that is the US dollar.



I used to put on a bunch but it seemed like interest in them was steadily declining.  At the time I blamed the fact that transaction fees were rising to the point where some raffle prizes were arguably not worth the transaction fee to enter the raffle.  Fees have come down a lot, so maybe a raffle would be successful now?  Who knows...  I'd be happy to put on a raffle if I thought there would be enough participants, but the idea was getting a bit stale (I think I started the first blockchain-tied raffle here more than 5 years ago).  As I type this I have an idea for a raffle that might be a little more fun and with more than the typical amount or risk.  Maybe I'll give it a try when I get more than a few minutes between projects to spare.

Miss the fun raffles

Miss the smoothie weekly auctions

Yeah, definitely a lot of new faces around here.  Miss some of the folks I interacted with, though many are still here. 

#FREEKILLYOU72

  Yes stamps was a big thing in my time...I went from any type of stamp to then specializing in collecting only inverted center stamp errors of the world.

  Still have and cherish my invert collection alongside my crypto collectables.

i have also had the passion for collecting since i was ~8 years young... i started with stamps, which my grandma and grandpa bought me from a philatelist and then i started collecting coins - i still have all the collectibles (stamps as well as coins), but i stopped collecting a long time ago.
i have now started collecting cryto collectibles and lately also crypto artworks

well then get it started

Nobody likes to chat anymore or do crazy things

agreed - as long as you are using fiat to buy the bitcoin and collectible. when you use 2 btc to buy something that is only worth .5 btc now - that is not good. While the .5 btc now is worth more than the 2 btc was then. It truly would have been better to keep the btc.

but for those that are all in on btc - that can be trickier - burning fiat to get btc or collectibles is a no brainer.

   I have always had the collectors bug running thru me...starting with stamps as a kid. When I came across bitcoin and then heard of Casascius, it got me into physical bitcoin collectables as well as any early wallets and historical bitcoin items. I dont see ANYTHING bought being a loss, as I allocated a certain amount for pure BTC hodling and certain amount of fiat for rare collectables. So I look at it as getting rid of paper fiat for Bitcoin history that I get to own and hodl in my Citadel  

  

I see a lot of people say this, but had you been into collectibles at the time you may feel differently (probably not but here’s the dumb argument I hear a lot). I’ve seen quite a few people make the argument that buying Casascius coins for ~$20 back then was stupid, because you would have gotten more money had you just kept your BTC. Many people here are dense enough to even consider that a loss. Sure, the $50 I spent for my half a million dollar Casascius coins is one of the best investments of my life, but I’m not lying, there are users here who think that’s an investment loss because BTC has risen more in that time period. Just check out my trust rating from ibminer. With idiots like that in the community who call a half million dollar gain a loss and torment the makers of these products, why would they stick around?

I was mining in 2010-2011 time period but I was not into any collectibles back then - sadly. I wish I had been.

There is this company making these really dope copper knuckles... 

  Good to know and you are probably right...so I am an OG! Pre 2014! 

I consider things pre-2014 to be pretty OG. By 2016 every scammer on the internet was descending upon Bitcoin and these forums and the attitude changed from one of Libertarians trying to change the world, to scammers trying to get rich quick and attacking anything they saw as competition to their offerings. If I were to pick an OG collectibles peak though, it would definitely be 2011-2012 as that is where 99% of the innovation occurred in the space.

   LOL.....so true but I wish I was....still working for a living here! 

Exactly what a whale would say. 

Hmmmmm...I didn't buy a couple dozen but did buy one silver/gilt from Mike himself in 2013...what does that make me? LOL

 Is there a time frame and quantity a person must have bought to be labeled an OG?  

 P.S.  and I am not a whale either

Yes :-)


Don't know if he is that rich, but I know a lot of collectors that picked up a lot of loaded items early 2020 when BTC was low and are now waiting for the next price drop.
With the next drop being an individual amount for each person.

I actually have just not been 'moved' by any new collectable lately. No idea why, there have been a bunch of "that's cool" but not a lot of "I MUST HAVE THAT"

-Dave

What is an OG collector, anyway? I bought a couple dozens of Casascius from Mr. Mike Caldwell himself at end of 2012. Am I an OG? 

Violin, please.

Are you trolling with this? Surely OGs dont leave because they are simply being trolled upon.

This is a rather easy question to answer. This forum is full of trolls and there is no moderation of any kind stopping them from attacking OGs with lies and teaming up to chase them from these forums. It happens time and again, yet people still say nothing when this behavior is occurring and don’t even take issue with other members including trolls in their trust network. Ask yourself if you have excluded Vod from your trust network yet? Why not? What about the people that include him in their trust network? This obvious lack of judgement is fine for them to be in DT right? Look at my trust ratings if you don’t understand why OGs flee this place as soon as they reach a place of financial freedom. I just wonder why people keep asking this question and then do nothing to try and correct the problem when you have an OG telling you exactly what the problem is and it’s blatantly obvious…  My question to the community is, do we want OGs to stick around here? If so, do we want to start showing them the respect they deserve and defending them from lying trolls or do you expect people like myself to continue spending years of their time coming here to refute one lie after another in an endless string of misinformation attacks that sabotage projects regardless of how much evidence and publicly documented facts are presented proving otherwise. That’s where the road to being an OG ends for most… I’ve certainly seen first hand why most choose to leave instead. Stick around long enough and see some personal success, you will to.

TL;DR

Trolls are more highly regarded here then OGs.

Ive popping into the collectibles board since I joined the forum in 2017 and I
wouldnt be familiar with those early collectors. They have moved on to other things,
probably still collecting I suspect. If they have the wealth which is suggested they
have probably turned their interests to rare gems or art or something.

so i can't answer the question, where the collectors of the first hour stayed also.
but i can tell you, that my collection (started in the beginning of 2020) i want to add more and more and so far i didn't waste any thought to dissolve it or to sell/auction anything of it.

Makes sense. You in Dubai with Roger?

I hear the yacht business took to crypto early.

I thought the same thing once I started collecting. I've been able to search and find some gems here and there from some OGs but most likely they took a page from Satoshi and simply moved onto other things. Not everyone is doing billionaire things like Blazed. Would be nice if he stopped by and said hello once in a while tho

I resonate with this sentiment, just take a look around you at how little the average person knows about bitcoin let alone crypto all together. Give the world another ten years and those of us in this community today will be OGs.

Maybe we weren't the first, but we surely are second or third generation OGs.

With time, we will all be OG’s
I’ve reached out to some Of them and managed to shake some coins out of their strong hands. 

I had thought about this as well, and it's going to be an excellent opportunity to hang out and learn some of their insights into how they got in at that early stage in crypto. No need to interact here in any way, but pretty sure they are living the life.

Anyway, there could be a lot of reasons for this like life happening with them. Maybe they are just too busy with other things in their life. That's the most logical explanation for being inactive most of the time. I don't want to think about something bad that has happened, but it could too. I hope they are happy and safe, especially these times that we are in now. In which everyone is affected.

I know of a few. Mostly they have all the coins they want, they will NEVER sell them, and they have enough money now to do whatever the fuck they like. Blazed had what, like 40k coins at one point? He's a billionaire, doing billionaire things I imagine.

One thing I've always kind of wondered is where did all the OG collectors go?  We have very few members whom are still active here that were around during the early days of collectibles.  Those who bought Casascius coins and BitBills when they were first released are the type of collectors I'm referring to.  I don't see myself ever losing interest in collectibles completely and just riding off in to the sunset.  I may not be as active as I now am at some point, but I just don't see myself completely being done w/this board and collectibles in general.  Members like Blazed for example.  I dunno, it just seems kind of odd to me that there are probably less than a handful of collectors who were around during the Casascius days who are still active.