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Quote from: bitlane on September 09, 2012, 02:22:20 PM

Quote from: BadBear on September 09, 2012, 02:21:33 PM

Right, cause Matthew totally would have paid if only everyone hadn't been so mean, right?

We will never know....but at least everyone can rest easy now, that they were right this entire time about him being a scammer Roll Eyes

So this is bitcoin.

"You hurt my feelings so I no longer have to hold up my end of the deal".

Sounds great, where do I sign up?

Here's a hint. His incentive was to fulfill the promise he made. In business, this is actually a valuable thing. He made a promise, and should be expected to follow through. That people didn't believe him is not a good reason to break that promise.

Or hey, what about reputation? Isn't that a good incentive not to welch on a bet? Isn't reputation supposed to be massively important in your fantasy society? Had he kept his end of the bargain (even ignoring the post, he did obligate himself verbally in that interview of his), his reputation would have been considerably improved. He just ruined it now.

No wonder this board is so jam-packed with scammers and deadbeats; people like bitlane defend them to the bitter end.

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Quote from: bitlane on September 09, 2012, 01:45:44 PM

Matthew welched on a silly bet, to try and prove a point.

The reason he welched on the bet isn't the same reason he started the bet. What point was he trying to prove?

Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on August 22, 2012, 10:47:39 PM

This is what the purpose of the bet is, to allow them the right to make blanket accusations. If they're right, they win big. If they're wrong, they'll make less blanket accusations in the future cause I got their rent moneyz herp derp

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Quote from: bitlane on September 09, 2012, 01:45:44 PM

As I said in another thread....

You guys are taking this way too far.

Matthew welched on a silly bet, to try and prove a point. You guys are treating him as if he TOOK MONEY OUT OF YOUR POCKETS.

Considering how relaxed most people have been, in regards to Trendon Shavers aka Pirateat40 (causing most of my frustration) I find Matthew's situation to be a bit 'scape-goatish' under the circumstances.

Does Matthew really deserve to be punished to the extent he currently is being punished ?

There are far more people on this forum that have done far worse and still don't seem to have a scammer tag or their names dragged through the mud and THEY ACTUALLY LOST PEOPLE'S MONEY. Nothing was lost in the 'Matthew' situation, right ?

Shall we make our way to the Lending and Securities Forums and start getting those scammer tags applied to the people that actually TOOK REAL MONEY from people and not simply made a bet where NO MONEY CHANGED HANDS and cost the participants exactly ZERO... ?

Why are you pretending like he did nothing wrong? The man let his ego run fucking wild and he now gets to deal with the consequences. Let him take what is coming.

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Quote from: Tyrion on September 09, 2012, 08:34:07 PM

Well, I'm pretty new around here, but I've been reading up and it seems to me that Matthew said, in his very first post on the bet, that the purpose was to teach you guys a lesson. And so you took the bet and now he's taught you a lesson that you shouldn't be so quick to call everyone a scammer because sometimes if you do that you'll just make the guy mad and he'll wind up scamming you because you ticked him off. So maybe everyone here should just consider this a lesson learned and the next time you think someone might be a scammer you should just keep your mouth shut.

Wrong.
Its never an excuse to steal peoples money because "they made you angry". Its never an excuse to rape a woman because "she asked for it". Its never an excuse to beat your wife "because she nagged you".

Scammers should be called out always and you dont shoot the messenger.

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Quote from: Bitcoin Oz on September 09, 2012, 09:03:05 PM

I feel sorry that Vladimir got screwed over by Matthew. That is all.

This right here....

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I feel sorry that Vladimir got screwed over by Matthew. That is all.

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Quote from: Tyrion on September 09, 2012, 08:34:07 PM

Well, I'm pretty new around here, but I've been reading up and it seems to me that Matthew said, in his very first post on the bet, that the purpose was to teach you guys a lesson. And so you took the bet and now he's taught you a lesson that you shouldn't be so quick to call everyone a scammer because sometimes if you do that you'll just make the guy mad and he'll wind up scamming you because you ticked him off. So maybe everyone here should just consider this a lesson learned and the next time you think someone might be a scammer you should just keep your mouth shut.

SO he loses the bet, tries to "repay" all betters with a stupid technicality that allows him to pay himself and we are the ones that needed to learn a lesson?

What lesson is that? That Matthew is full of fully potent, grade-A, gorilla crap?

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Well, I'm pretty new around here, but I've been reading up and it seems to me that Matthew said, in his very first post on the bet, that the purpose was to teach you guys a lesson. And so you took the bet and now he's taught you a lesson that you shouldn't be so quick to call everyone a scammer because sometimes if you do that you'll just make the guy mad and he'll wind up scamming you because you ticked him off. So maybe everyone here should just consider this a lesson learned and the next time you think someone might be a scammer you should just keep your mouth shut.

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Quote from: bitlane on September 09, 2012, 01:45:44 PM

As I said in another thread....

You guys are taking this way too far.

Matthew welched on a silly bet, to try and prove a point. You guys are treating him as if he TOOK MONEY OUT OF YOUR POCKETS.

Considering how relaxed most people have been, in regards to Trendon Shavers aka Pirateat40 (causing most of my frustration) I find Matthew's situation to be a bit 'scape-goatish' under the circumstances.

Does Matthew really deserve to be punished to the extent he currently is being punished ?

There are far more people on this forum that have done far worse and still don't seem to have a scammer tag or their names dragged through the mud and THEY ACTUALLY LOST PEOPLE'S MONEY. Nothing was lost in the 'Matthew' situation, right ?

Shall we make our way to the Lending and Securities Forums and start getting those scammer tags applied to the people that actually TOOK REAL MONEY from people and not simply made a bet where NO MONEY CHANGED HANDS and cost the participants exactly ZERO... ?

He set the rules.
He broke the rules.
He got hit with a punishment of his own making.

This isn't like people are setting out to lynch an innocent man.
If he had won, some people would have paid him, and some wouldn't have. The ones that didn't pay him would have received the scammer tag, exactly like his original post stated, just like he eventually received when he failed to honor his word.

Would you be arguing so much if he had won the bet and people who didn't pay him were receiving the scammer tag?

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Quote from: bg002h on September 09, 2012, 03:44:06 PM

I think he succeeded at achieving his aims...

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1173889

If his aim was to let everyone know he can't be trusted, then yes he succeeded.

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I think he succeeded at achieving his aims...

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1173889

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Quote from: bitlane on September 09, 2012, 01:45:44 PM

Considering how relaxed most people have been, in regards to Trendon Shavers aka Pirateat40 (causing most of my frustration) I find Matthew's situation to be a bit 'scape-goatish' under the circumstances.

Does Matthew really deserve to be punished to the extent he currently is being punished ?

In the original bet thread Matthew offered up his own reputation as collateral.

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Anyone (including myself) who renigs on their bets will be labeled a scammer on the forums. Theymos will retain the IP addresses of everyone who has committed here and as you are marked a scammer for not paying, you will also be reported to the bitcoin police and tracked. For this reason, it is important that you do not bet more than you can afford to lose. Considering the high probability of fraud from newbie sockpuppets, only established 250+ post users will be allowed to participate, unless they participate through an escrow who will hold their coins. This is up to them to find the escrow although many posters in this thread have agreed to act as such.

His reputation is his own to enhance or squander, so if he decides to cheapen it I'm going to honor his choice.

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Quote from: 556j on September 09, 2012, 02:31:11 PM

Actually it took about 3 days before anyone said anything about Matthew's bet. Even then it was met with overwhelming support on Matthew's side saying he would pay. Not until he kept raising the limit did more and more people start to consider that he might not pay out. His reason to pay regardless of what "trolls" said would to make us look stupid and keep his job(s). Instead he just made a fool of himself and has made sure any bitcoin business he associates himself with will fail. He really fucked over Vladimir and friends. He fucked over Pirate bond holders. And the people he thinks he's "teaching a lesson" never bet with him to begin with. We are trolling harder than ever with yet another "told ya so"

The whole stunt was to give him a slim chance to line his pockets and also because he needed ATTENTION given PIRATEAT40 was getting it all.

Talk about jealousy huh. lol Roll Eyes

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Actually it took about 3 days before anyone said anything about Matthew's bet. Even then it was met with overwhelming support on Matthew's side saying he would pay. Not until he kept raising the limit did more and more people start to consider that he might not pay out. His reason to pay regardless of what "trolls" said would to make us look stupid and keep his job(s). Instead he just made a fool of himself and has made sure any bitcoin business he associates himself with will fail. He really fucked over Vladimir and friends. He fucked over Pirate bond holders. And the people he thinks he's "teaching a lesson" never bet with him to begin with. We are trolling harder than ever with yet another "told ya so"

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Quote from: bitlane on September 09, 2012, 02:22:20 PM

Quote from: BadBear on September 09, 2012, 02:21:33 PM

Right, cause Matthew totally would have paid if only everyone hadn't been so mean, right?

We will never know....but at least everyone can rest easy now, that they were right this entire time about him being a scammer Roll Eyes

Sadly enough...yes.

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Quote from: bitlane on September 09, 2012, 02:27:20 PM

I wasn't refering to you smoothie...it was a generalization of what I saw...that's all.

/Backpedal

Cheesy

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I wasn't refering to you smoothie...it was a generalization of what I saw...that's all.

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Quote from: bitlane on September 09, 2012, 02:20:03 PM

The lesson here: Everyone opens up their mouths too quickly.

I called Pirate out because HE FUCKED ME OVER. You called Matthew out because YOU SUSPECTED THAT THERE WOULD BE PROBLEMS.

There's a big difference.

I don't regret anything that I said to Trendon, as it was all true. Everyone here jumped on the 'smear Matthew' bandwagon on day 1 of teh bet and rode the shit out of it, right to the bitter end. So, with his so-called 'forum reputation' and Bitcoin reputation in general already damaged by the retards here, what incentive did he have to pay anyone anything ? Were you all going to say SORRY and delete all of your trolling posts and tell everyone else that you were joking ?
You all did the damage before the 'bet' even ended.
There's your lesson.

UHH EXCUSE ME? I NEVER DID ANY OF THAT UNTIL HE PROVED TO ME HE WAS A SCAMMY FUCKTARD.

GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT BITLANE! LOL

TOO MUCH PIRATE JUICE?

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Quote from: BadBear on September 09, 2012, 02:21:33 PM

Right, cause Matthew totally would have paid if only everyone hadn't been so mean, right?

We will never know....but at least everyone can rest easy now, that they were right this entire time about him being a scammer Roll Eyes

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Right, cause Matthew totally would have paid if only everyone hadn't been so mean, right?

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The lesson here: Everyone opens up their mouths too quickly.

I called Pirate out because HE FUCKED ME OVER. You called Matthew out because YOU SUSPECTED THAT THERE WOULD BE PROBLEMS.

There's a big difference.

I don't regret anything that I said to Trendon, as it was all true. Everyone here jumped on the 'smear Matthew' bandwagon on day 1 of teh bet and rode the shit out of it, right to the bitter end. So, with his so-called 'forum reputation' and Bitcoin reputation in general already damaged by the retards here, what incentive did he have to pay anyone anything ? Were you all going to say SORRY and delete all of your trolling posts and tell everyone else that you were joking ?
You all did the damage before the 'bet' even ended.
There's your lesson.

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Quote from: bitlane on September 09, 2012, 02:09:15 PM

You guys all pegged Matthew as a SCAMMER and shit all over him weeks before the bet even ended.....so when he gives you all what you want and prove you all right, you are surprised ?

What incentive did he have to do anything after the kangaroo court spent over 2 weeks dragging his name and reputation through the mud ?

THINK ABOUT IT.

What incentive? Uhm, how about proving the kangaroo court wrong?

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6: If you've got some brilliant idea that no-one else around you seems to be smart enough to grasp despite ample opportunities, such as trying to weasel out of a bet with some clever wording, there's a good chance the reason no-one else has done it is because it's a fucking stupid idea for reasons you're too dim to realise.

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Quote from: bitlane on September 09, 2012, 02:09:15 PM

You guys all pegged Matthew as a SCAMMER and shit all over him weeks before the bet even ended.....so when he gives you all what you want and prove you all right, you are surprised ?

What incentive did he have to do anything after the kangaroo court spent over 2 weeks dragging his name and reputation through the mud ?

THINK ABOUT IT.

Maybe vindication, if he wasn't such a lying scumbag.

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Quote from: bitlane on September 09, 2012, 02:09:15 PM

You guys all pegged Matthew as a SCAMMER and shit all over him weeks before the bet even ended.....so when he gives you all what you want and prove you all right, you are surprised ?

What incentive did he have to do anything after the kangaroo court spent over 2 weeks dragging his name and reputation through the mud ?

THINK ABOUT IT.

HE MADE THE BET. NO ONE FORCED HIM TO MAKE SUCH A STUPID BET. THAT IS ENOUGH FOR HIM TO HAVE HIS REPUTATION TARNISHED. SEE I CAN USE LARGE TEXT TOO. Kiss

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You guys all pegged Matthew as a SCAMMER and shit all over him weeks before the bet even ended.....so when he gives you all what you want and prove you all right, you are surprised ?

What incentive did he have to do anything after the kangaroo court spent over 2 weeks dragging his name and reputation through the mud ?

THINK ABOUT IT.

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Quote from: FLHippy on September 09, 2012, 01:59:42 PM

I love Matthew N. Wright.

Really?

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Quote from: smoothie on September 09, 2012, 01:55:02 PM

5. He got his own saying wrong. It should read "Remember, Remember, the 10th of September"

I'm seriously thinking he trips over his own shoe laces with the amount of mistakes he has made on his "bet".

HOW MUCH DID YOU BET ?

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Quote from: smoothie on September 09, 2012, 01:42:43 PM

blah blah blah.

Is the failure MNWs?

Everyone here is so quick jump on a "sure thing" and then cry foul when it didn't satisfy your hip pocket properly.

The lesson learned is.. you are collectively a greedy bunch.

* FLHippy is slightly less greedy but only slightly.

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5. He got his own saying wrong. It should read "Remember, Remember, the 10th of September"

I'm seriously thinking he trips over his own shoe laces with the amount of mistakes he has made on his "bet".

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If this situation were to be left unchecked, it sets a precedent that you can back out of any bet on a grammatical technicality. Taking actual coins or not paying promised coins is the EXACT SAME THING.

It falls closer to a service rendered, In this case the fulfillment of the agreement was entering the betting information in the forum and having the bet accepted. This is no different than doing a logo design and then not getting paid for your end of the agreement because "you design my logo and I'll send 20BTC to that address".

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Quote from: bitlane on September 09, 2012, 01:45:44 PM

As I said in another thread....

You guys are taking this way too far.

Matthew welched on a silly bet, to try and prove a point. You guys are treating him as if he TOOK MONEY OUT OF YOUR POCKETS.

Considering how relaxed most people have been, in regards to Trendon Shavers aka Pirateat40 (causing most of my frustration) I find Matthew's situation to be a bit 'scape-goatish' under the circumstances.

Does Matthew really deserve to be punished to the extent he currently is being punished ?

There are far more people on this forum that have done far worse and still don't seem to have a scammer tag or their names dragged through the mud and THEY ACTUALLY LOST PEOPLE'S MONEY. Nothing was lost in the 'Matthew' situation, right ?

Shall we make our way to the Lending and Securities Forums and start getting those scammer tags applied to the people that actually TOOK REAL MONEY from people and not simply made a bet where NO MONEY CHANGED HANDS and cost the participants exactly ZERO... ?

No, that is not correct. Many people used Matthew to hedge against Pirate in lieu of other methods. They will lose money. This scam, although Matthew did not directly profit, certainly caused losses.

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Quote from: bitlane on September 09, 2012, 01:45:44 PM

As I said in another thread....

You guys are taking this way too far.

Matthew welched on a silly bet, to try and prove a point. You guys are treating him as if he TOOK MONEY OUT OF YOUR POCKETS.

Considering how relaxed most people have been, in regards to Trendon Shavers aka Pirateat40 (causing most of my frustration) I find Matthew's situation to be a bit 'scape-goatish' under the circumstances.

Does Matthew really deserve to be punished to the extent he currently is being punished ?

There are far more people on this forum that have done far worse and still don't seem to have a scammer tag or their names dragged through the mud and THEY ACTUALLY LOST PEOPLE'S MONEY. Nothing was lost in the 'Matthew' situation, right ?

Shall we make our way to the Lending and Securities Forums and start getting those scammer tags applied to the people that actually TOOK REAL MONEY from people and not simply made a bet where NO MONEY CHANGED HANDS and cost the participants exactly ZERO... ?

Yes

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As I said in another thread....

You guys are taking this way too far.

Matthew welched on a silly bet, to try and prove a point. You guys are treating him as if he TOOK MONEY OUT OF YOUR POCKETS.

Considering how relaxed most people have been, in regards to Trendon Shavers aka Pirateat40 (causing most of my frustration) I find Matthew's situation to be a bit 'scape-goatish' under the circumstances.

Does Matthew really deserve to be punished to the extent he currently is being punished ?

There are far more people on this forum that have done far worse and still don't seem to have a scammer tag or their names dragged through the mud and THEY ACTUALLY LOST PEOPLE'S MONEY. Nothing was lost in the 'Matthew' situation, right ?

Shall we make our way to the Lending and Securities Forums and start getting those scammer tags applied to the people that actually TOOK REAL MONEY from people and not simply made a bet where NO MONEY CHANGED HANDS and cost the participants exactly ZERO... ?

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By my estimation all of his own mistakes are actually fucking funny. He has show how unwitty he really is. LOL can't even get the subject title right nor the deadline time. LOL

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1. He put 200% in the original title and not 100%
2. He couldn't get the deadline to the bet correct and backpedaled that it was corrected on IRC.
3. He did a live interview with micon where he says the most stupid things now that contradict his actions and words:
http://www.donkdown.com/media/DDRadio-2012_08_22_19_00_07.mp3
4. He did not teach anyone anything that he said he wanted to be taught. All it was was a big troll because he needed attention given Pirateat40 was getting all the attention.
5.... Huh

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