I was one of those who ordered from basic...
What do I do now? Who to order from?
What do I do now? Who to order from?
ORDER FROM BFL
TO RELIEVE THE NITGHMARE LOL
AND NEVER SEE UR MONEY AGAIN
Topic: Where to order ASIICS? (Read 7791 times)
ORDER FROM BFL
TO RELIEVE THE NITGHMARE LOL
AND NEVER SEE UR MONEY AGAIN
Sounds like you two should get a room a hug it out...
On another note.. can someone provide a link for primeasic?
Thanks
On another note.. can someone provide a link for primeasic?
Thanks
Um, no link needed. NEO2012 was either being facetious when he recommended it or he's an imbecile because primeasic is a hoax/scam.
Sounds like you two should get a room a hug it out...
On another note.. can someone provide a link for primeasic?
Thanks
On another note.. can someone provide a link for primeasic?
Thanks
Hey, so, Inaba... *cough*
I'll take that Minirig if he doesn't want it.
Limo won't be needed.
thx bb <3
I'll take that Minirig if he doesn't want it.
Limo won't be needed.
thx bb <3
He sold that minirig last June, so how is he supposed to give it to you or me? They're five month's late and counting, have just unnecessarily destroyed 20% of their first(tiny) batch of chips and this "executive" is placing public wagers with other people's undelivered mining gear. I wonder if this a trick he learned from Sonny or if this kind of double spend behavior comes to BFL's COO naturally.
BFL is like a comic book approximation of a real company.
Says the man we've just demonstrated is a confirmed liar.
Screw comic books, CreativeX is the real thing. A real, live, lying dirtbag. He is what's called a pathological liar - a pathological liar can be shown he's lying, just like we've done here with CreativeX, and the pathological liar continues to maintain the fiction, as CreativeX is attempting to do here. What's sad about this is CreativeX does this on purpose, I believe he can probably help himself, but he needs to feel important, so he makes up falsehoods to garner attention for himself. Eh... whatever I suppose. If that's what keeps him going throughout the day, I suppose there's no much to be done about it.
Everyone has seen what he is, so that's all that really matters.
LOL at turning down a minirig because it's "too much trouble" to post information he's already compiled... oh, sorry, I mean because "Someone else already purchased it." Riiight.
blah blah see above.
IT'S NOT YOURS TO SELL OR GIVE AWAY
Hey, so, Inaba... *cough*
I'll take that Minirig if he doesn't want it.
Limo won't be needed.
thx bb <3
I'll take that Minirig if he doesn't want it.
Limo won't be needed.
thx bb <3
He sold that minirig last June, so how is he supposed to give it to you or me? They're five month's late and counting, have just unnecessarily destroyed 20% of their first(tiny) batch of chips and this "executive" is placing public wagers with other people's undelivered mining gear. I wonder if this a trick he learned from Sonny or if this kind of double spend behavior comes to BFL's COO naturally.
BFL is like a comic book approximation of a real company.
Says the man we've just demonstrated is a confirmed liar.
Screw comic books, CreativeX is the real thing. A real, live, lying dirtbag. He is what's called a pathological liar - a pathological liar can be shown he's lying, just like we've done here with CreativeX, and the pathological liar continues to maintain the fiction, as CreativeX is attempting to do here. What's sad about this is CreativeX does this on purpose, I believe he can probably help himself, but he needs to feel important, so he makes up falsehoods to garner attention for himself. Eh... whatever I suppose. If that's what keeps him going throughout the day, I suppose there's no much to be done about it.
Everyone has seen what he is, so that's all that really matters.
LOL at turning down a minirig because it's "too much trouble" to post information he's already compiled... oh, sorry, I mean because "Someone else already purchased it." Riiight.
Hey, so, Inaba... *cough*
I'll take that Minirig if he doesn't want it.
Limo won't be needed.
thx bb <3
I'll take that Minirig if he doesn't want it.
Limo won't be needed.
thx bb <3
He sold that minirig last June, so how is he supposed to give it to you or me? They're five month's late and counting, have just unnecessarily destroyed 20% of their first(tiny) batch of chips and this "executive" is placing public wagers with other people's undelivered mining gear. I wonder if this a trick he learned from Sonny or if this kind of double spend behavior comes to BFL's COO naturally.
BFL is like a comic book approximation of a real company.
Hey, so, Inaba... *cough*
I'll take that Minirig if he doesn't want it.
Limo won't be needed.
thx bb <3
I'll take that Minirig if he doesn't want it.
Limo won't be needed.
thx bb <3
I was one of those who ordered from basic...
What do I do now? Who to order from?
What do I do now? Who to order from?
not from bfl if u want ur unit delivered this year
primesic if u can go pickup in person
Inaba lying while making long posts accusing others of lying ?, must be a day ending in y. 
It sometimes is informative. I don't live under a rock, but I had no idea that Butterfly was supposed to have their miners available last year in October or November. Is that correct and has been stated some where? Maybe on their forum?
I did order an SC for my dad and myself several weeks ago, but if i have to wait an entire year or even 5-6 months I don't think I really would even want it then. It would take probably over a year just to pay the thing off at that point. I could do a lot more with that $1333 I guess. I'll have to check on if they can issue refunds. I really thought BFL was making FPGA's and had distribution and all this stuff already set.
I did order an SC for my dad and myself several weeks ago, but if i have to wait an entire year or even 5-6 months I don't think I really would even want it then. It would take probably over a year just to pay the thing off at that point. I could do a lot more with that $1333 I guess. I'll have to check on if they can issue refunds. I really thought BFL was making FPGA's and had distribution and all this stuff already set.
I'm glad someone got something out of it. Yes, sadly it is true, the original shipping date was to be in October of 2012. You need not take my word for it though as there are plenty of "official" BFL threads around here at bitcointalk.org such as this one begun by a BFL employee in June of 2012:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/announcement-asic-mining-processor-by-butterfly-labs-87934
Please use caution when you read BFL's own forum, there are many many allegations of deleted/edited posts and sock puppet account posters.
I was one of those who ordered from basic...
What do I do now? Who to order from?
What do I do now? Who to order from?
dude if u smart
order from the hungarion company primeasic
and have ready money fro avalon 3rd batch when goes live
by the time bfl ships if ever u made ur money back 6 times with those guys
and u can start ordering bfl after that
It sometimes is informative. I don't live under a rock, but I had no idea that Butterfly was supposed to have their miners available last year in October or November. Is that correct and has been stated some where? Maybe on their forum?
I did order an SC for my dad and myself several weeks ago, but if i have to wait an entire year or even 5-6 months I don't think I really would even want it then. It would take probably over a year just to pay the thing off at that point. I could do a lot more with that $1333 I guess. I'll have to check on if they can issue refunds. I really thought BFL was making FPGA's and had distribution and all this stuff already set.
I did order an SC for my dad and myself several weeks ago, but if i have to wait an entire year or even 5-6 months I don't think I really would even want it then. It would take probably over a year just to pay the thing off at that point. I could do a lot more with that $1333 I guess. I'll have to check on if they can issue refunds. I really thought BFL was making FPGA's and had distribution and all this stuff already set.
Agreed.
You both sound pretty ridiculous right now..
Theymos would give me the tag since I have publicly stated that it would be warranted if I didn't follow through. You and I both know that.
You are just a liar, you can't provide proof, and this is evidence. You are turning down at the very least $30,000 and/or a chance to get me labeled as a scammer to post data you have already claimed to have complied. Sorry, nobody believes you CreativeLiar.
You are just a liar, you can't provide proof, and this is evidence. You are turning down at the very least $30,000 and/or a chance to get me labeled as a scammer to post data you have already claimed to have complied. Sorry, nobody believes you CreativeLiar.
Clever.
Just more word games then sport? Yeah thought so.
Theymos would give me the tag since I have publicly stated that it would be warranted if I didn't follow through. You and I both know that.
You are just a liar, you can't provide proof, and this is evidence. You are turning down at the very least $30,000 and/or a chance to get me labeled as a scammer to post data you have already claimed to have complied. Sorry, nobody believes you CreativeLiar.
You are just a liar, you can't provide proof, and this is evidence. You are turning down at the very least $30,000 and/or a chance to get me labeled as a scammer to post data you have already claimed to have complied. Sorry, nobody believes you CreativeLiar.
Who'da thunk it right?
You wouldn't see a tag anyway, the guy that gives those out is real particular 'bout who gets to wear them. Escrow or no dice slappy...me no trust the loudmouth BFL trollin' queen. Let's say it's about the company you keep shall we?
You wouldn't see a tag anyway, the guy that gives those out is real particular 'bout who gets to wear them. Escrow or no dice slappy...me no trust the loudmouth BFL trollin' queen. Let's say it's about the company you keep shall we?
Oh, so are you seriously telling me you wouldn't jump at the chance to get me labeled with a scammer tag, simply for posting data if I don't follow through? Right... cause that's believable, too!
You're just piling the lies on, aren't you? What can you expect from a proven liar, I suppose.
You're just piling the lies on, aren't you? What can you expect from a proven liar, I suppose.
And still no proof. Even with $30,000 on the table, poor little guy can't provide a shred of proof to back up his claims. CreativeX... liar extreme!
Wait! THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING!
I thought the deal was for an overpriced box of fan cooled vaporware!!! Hey escrow the $30k bubba and I'm yer huckleberry!
And still no proof. Even with $30,000 on the table (which, if nothing else, he could resell instantly for $60,000 - $90,000. I'll even deliver the minirig to whomever he chooses if he wants to just sell it outright), poor little guy can't provide a shred of proof to back up his claims. CreativeX... liar extreme!
Are you so rich, CreativeX, that you are turning down $90,000, free and clear, for just posting some simple data you said you've already compiled? Or are you just a liar and can't back up your claims? Gosh I wonder which it is.
Are you so rich, CreativeX, that you are turning down $90,000, free and clear, for just posting some simple data you said you've already compiled? Or are you just a liar and can't back up your claims? Gosh I wonder which it is.
Just keep spewing the same gibberish over and over cupcake. 
Too bad yer l33t trollin' skillz aren't doing much to get your chips packaged and tested. Awww...and look at that the network hashrate just keeps on growing. Sure hope you guys catch a break real soon...doubtless you'll be shipping any day now right? 
Too bad yer l33t trollin' skillz aren't doing much to get your chips packaged and tested. Awww...and look at that the network hashrate just keeps on growing. Sure hope you guys catch a break real soon...doubtless you'll be shipping any day now right?
I'm just going to leave this here. Poor little guy can't even get his dates straight. 
June... October, I mean, what's 5 months, right?
Golly Mister Wizard, if you've already compiled the proof as you say, then posting it here should be a trivial task!
Go on, Creative-I-Don't-Need-No-Evidence-To-Form-An-Opinion-X - keep telling us how you don't wan't the first 1500 GH/s minirig off the line because it "wouldn't be fair to the people who paid." The more times you say it, the more people believe you, right?! Right?! Heck, maybe if you say it enough even you will start to believe it!
Aww shucks!
June... October, I mean, what's 5 months, right?Everyone's a liar but you Josh, well you and that convicted thief you work with. Where are those ASICs you were paid to produce last June btw? Any progress on that front? Lemme guess...next month right?
The dumb act suits you Joshua, well done! We both know when you sleazeballs began taking pre-order funds and we both know when your first shipping date was missed for your ASIC line of products. For those that don't it was OCTOBER 2012.
We both know when you sleazeballs began taking pre-order funds and we both know when your first shipping date was missed for your ASIC line of products. For those that don't it was OCTOBER 2012.Golly Mister Wizard, if you've already compiled the proof as you say, then posting it here should be a trivial task!
Go on, Creative-I-Don't-Need-No-Evidence-To-Form-An-Opinion-X - keep telling us how you don't wan't the first 1500 GH/s minirig off the line because it "wouldn't be fair to the people who paid." The more times you say it, the more people believe you, right?! Right?! Heck, maybe if you say it enough even you will start to believe it!
Aww shucks!
Wow, you can't even keep your lies straight in the same thread. Do tell, how does June - March = 5 months? By my count, that's 10 months. So which is it, is it June or November? Can't keep your little stories straight? Aww I wonder why? Maybe because you tell so many lies, you don't know if you're coming or going, do you? Poor little guy. 3 posts and you can't keep your dates straight.
Yes, please, do tell how you don't want to trouble yourself with providing proof for your claims for a guaranteed $30,000 minirig hand delivered to your door in a limo (or USPS, whichever you prefer). I'm sure everyone reading this thread believes you. Really. I'm sure they do. Right? Right?
Yes, please, do tell how you don't want to trouble yourself with providing proof for your claims for a guaranteed $30,000 minirig hand delivered to your door in a limo (or USPS, whichever you prefer). I'm sure everyone reading this thread believes you. Really. I'm sure they do. Right? Right?
The dumb act suits you Joshua, well done!
We both know when you sleazeballs began taking pre-order funds and we both know when your first shipping date was missed for your ASIC line of products. For those that don't it was OCTOBER 2012....and there are very plainly no guaranteed deliveries with BFL. That should be obvious to anyone that's observed the ongoing saga of missed BFL fairy tale shipping dates. Heck Avalon began work on their ASIC hardware long after you bozos and there are numerous users with confirmed working units, some even have several units. The fail level at BFL is off the charts...well done sport.
You're obviously hard of seeing so I'll 'splain this step by step so as to make it easy for you to follow along:
1) Build a minirig SC You clowns at BFL have been working on this step since 06/2012...time to step it up don'tcha think?
2) ESCROW SAID MINING GEAR It's not that I don't trust you sir, it's just that I'm able to read.
3) Notify me when the above steps are completed
4) Read the encyclopedia sized tome of deceitful and anti-competitive BFL marketing ploys as chronicled by yours truly
K, sunshine? So stop the outflows from your trollhole and get some products built Mr. COO.
Wow, you can't even keep your lies straight in the same thread. Do tell, how does June - March = 5 months? By my count, that's 10 months. So which is it, is it June or November? Can't keep your little stories straight? Aww I wonder why? Maybe because you tell so many lies, you don't know if you're coming or going, do you? Poor little guy. 3 posts and you can't keep your dates straight.
Yes, please, do tell how you don't want to trouble yourself with providing proof for your claims for a guaranteed $30,000 minirig hand delivered to your door in a limo (or USPS, whichever you prefer). I'm sure everyone reading this thread believes you. Really. I'm sure they do. Right? Right?
Yes, please, do tell how you don't want to trouble yourself with providing proof for your claims for a guaranteed $30,000 minirig hand delivered to your door in a limo (or USPS, whichever you prefer). I'm sure everyone reading this thread believes you. Really. I'm sure they do. Right? Right?
Hahaha OMG. "Oh, think of the guy ahead of me! That's why I'm turning down a minirig!" Riiiighhhttt...
Go on, please tell us all how you are altruistic and wouldn't dream of taking a free minirig because someone else ordered it first? Lets see more of that genuflection to your fellow miners.
What's the more likely scenario here: A) You turn down a free minirig, delivered on the same day they are available because you don't want to skip a place in line or B) You are a liar and can't provide a shred of proof to back up your claims?
I think we all know what you are, heh.
Go on, please tell us all how you are altruistic and wouldn't dream of taking a free minirig because someone else ordered it first? Lets see more of that genuflection to your fellow miners.
What's the more likely scenario here: A) You turn down a free minirig, delivered on the same day they are available because you don't want to skip a place in line or B) You are a liar and can't provide a shred of proof to back up your claims?
I think we all know what you are, heh.
Blah blah blah...I type because I like this keyboard.
YOU DON'T HAVE A MINIRIG SC JOSH...BECAUSE YOU INCOMPETENT BOZOS STILL DON'T HAVE CHIPS FIVE MONTHS AFTER YOU "SCHEDULED SHIPMENTS".
WHEN YOU DO HAVE ONE LET ME KNOW. WE'LL ESCROW IT AND I WOULD THEN BE HAPPY TO COMPILE YOUR SCAMMY LITTLE COMPANY'S ESCAPADES INTO A HANDY DANDY TRAVEL PACK. K SKIPPY?
Now then JZ, is ANYTHING I typed up there ^^ in any way ambiguous?
Hahaha OMG. "Oh, think of the guy ahead of me! That's why I'm turning down a minirig!" Riiiighhhttt...
Go on, please tell us all how you are altruistic and wouldn't dream of taking a free minirig because someone else ordered it first? Lets see more of that genuflection to your fellow miners.
What's the more likely scenario here: A) You turn down a free minirig, delivered on the same day they are available because you don't want to skip a place in line or B) You are a liar and can't provide a shred of proof to back up your claims?
I think we all know what you are, heh.
Go on, please tell us all how you are altruistic and wouldn't dream of taking a free minirig because someone else ordered it first? Lets see more of that genuflection to your fellow miners.
What's the more likely scenario here: A) You turn down a free minirig, delivered on the same day they are available because you don't want to skip a place in line or B) You are a liar and can't provide a shred of proof to back up your claims?
I think we all know what you are, heh.
Yep, just as I thought... a liar through and through. Can't even back up your claims for a free minirig hand delivered to your door!
At least everyone sees what a liar you are now... haha. Right, like you'd turn down a free minirig because of "slime allergies!" Fine, just to assuage your fears of allergies, I will have it sent to you via USPS. If it contains any hazardous material, you can turn me in to the postal inspector.
Creative-"I don't need evidence to form an opnion."-X, proved to be, once again, a liar. Congrats!
At least everyone sees what a liar you are now... haha. Right, like you'd turn down a free minirig because of "slime allergies!" Fine, just to assuage your fears of allergies, I will have it sent to you via USPS. If it contains any hazardous material, you can turn me in to the postal inspector.
Creative-"I don't need evidence to form an opnion."-X, proved to be, once again, a liar. Congrats!
Uhh...you have precisely the same number of ASIC minirigs as I do bud. If you did have an ASIC minirig don't you think you owe it to the guy that already paid for it...like last year? Ya know...when you told him you'd ship it to him?
Stop peddling crap you don't have slim. Remember the FTC regulations I posted above that you chose to ignore? Yeah...thought not.
I know, I know...they don't apply to BFL BECAUSE BITCOIN. Deflect much?
Yep, just as I thought... a liar through and through. Can't even back up your claims for a free minirig hand delivered to your door!
At least everyone sees what a liar you are now... haha. Right, like you'd turn down a free minirig because of "slime allergies!" Fine, just to assuage your fears of allergies, I will have it sent to you via USPS. If it contains any hazardous material, you can turn me in to the postal inspector. Theymos has my permission to label me a scammer if I don't follow through with the minirig, provided you come through with the proof.
Creative-"I don't need evidence to form an opnion."-X, proved to be, once again, a liar. Congrats!
At least everyone sees what a liar you are now... haha. Right, like you'd turn down a free minirig because of "slime allergies!" Fine, just to assuage your fears of allergies, I will have it sent to you via USPS. If it contains any hazardous material, you can turn me in to the postal inspector. Theymos has my permission to label me a scammer if I don't follow through with the minirig, provided you come through with the proof.
Creative-"I don't need evidence to form an opnion."-X, proved to be, once again, a liar. Congrats!
I love how you keep pushing the date back and back on when the ASICs were due to support your lies. Now it's June, huh? One more lie, one more lie you can't back up. In fact, I tell you what CreativeX, I will give you the very first Minirig off the line if you can provide proof of your statements. I will hand deliver it in a limo to you the same day they are available.
Yes, that's right. You back up your claims with proof and I will hand deliver a fucking minirig to you in a limo!
Yes, that's right. You back up your claims with proof and I will hand deliver a fucking minirig to you in a limo!
Sure you will slick.
Give your $30,000 box of fans to the sucker that paid for it last June, I'm not interested in BFL vaporware particularly if you're going to hand deliver it. Slime allergies and all...you understand.If and when you incompetent clowns and convicted felons do actually produce a product then set one aside IN ESCROW and I'll happily collect reams of information about your many deceptive marketing tactics and outright lies...heck I'll even toss in some bonus clock buffers, no charge.
I know I know...any day now! Just another couple weeks! We've scheduled shipments for every day in March just to be sure we're ready! Honest ABE! We'll descend upon Fedex like a swarm of angry locusts!
I love how you keep pushing the date back and back on when the ASICs were due to support your lies. Now it's June, huh? One more lie, one more lie you can't back up. In fact, I tell you what CreativeX, I will give you the very first Minirig off the line if you can provide proof of your statements. I will hand deliver it in a limo to you the same day they are available.
Yes, that's right. You back up your claims with proof and I will hand deliver a minirig to you in a limo!
Yes, that's right. You back up your claims with proof and I will hand deliver a minirig to you in a limo!
Right on queue... fails to provide evidence for his claims. Why? Because CreativeX is a l-l-liar!
Everyone's a liar but you Josh, well you and that convicted thief you work with. Where are those ASICs you were paid to produce last June btw? Any progress on that front? Lemme guess...next month right?
No comment on the CS table that contradicts your own fairy tale shipping date lies? No comment on your scammy little company's FTC violations? Yeah I know...because ASICs is hard...boo.
Not sure what's going on here, but Inaba (works for BFL?) just offered you the first miner off the line and you didn't send anything to satisfy that offer??? Are you nuts!?? Dude, I'll cut off my left testicle to get a miner right off the first line.
Inaba is BFL's COO, though he seems to enjoy pretending he's unaffiliated when he posts here. One of many childish games he plays.
His assurances that he'll ship anything on any given date are not the least bit credible. Just conduct a search and you'll find his promises of shipping blah blah on xx/xx/xxxx are only fairy tales designed to keep the pre-order funds rolling in.
Right on queue... fails to provide evidence for his claims. Why? Because CreativeX is a l-l-liar!
Everyone's a liar but you Josh, well you and that convicted thief you work with. Where are those ASICs you were paid to produce last June btw? Any progress on that front? Lemme guess...next month right?
No comment on the CS table that contradicts your own fairy tale shipping date lies? No comment on your scammy little company's FTC violations? Yeah I know...because ASICs is hard...boo.
Not sure what's going on here, but Inaba (works for BFL?) just offered you the first miner off the line and you didn't send anything to satisfy that offer??? Are you nuts!?? Dude, I'll cut off my left testicle to get a miner right off the first line.
Right on queue... fails to provide evidence for his claims. Why? Because CreativeX is a l-l-liar!
Everyone's a liar but you Josh, well you and that convicted thief you work with. Where are those ASICs you were paid to produce last June btw? Any progress on that front? Lemme guess...next month right?
No comment on the CS table that contradicts your own fairy tale shipping date lies? No comment on your scammy little company's FTC violations? Yeah I know...because ASICs is hard...boo.
Right on queue... fails to provide evidence for his claims. Why? Because CreativeX is a l-l-liar!
Tell you what CreativeX, you provide some proof about your claims above and I will send you the very first ASIC off the BFL line, overnight, the moment it's available. Hell, I will even hand deliver it to your house if you want.
Tell you what CreativeX, you provide some proof about your claims above and I will send you the very first ASIC off the BFL line, overnight, the moment it's available. Hell, I will even hand deliver it to your house if you want.
I don't know what the deal is with all that Creativex is saying here, but misleading people for an entire year and taking in large sums of money for it should be considered criminal, no? I'm not the one to judge or even say that is the case. I hope everything works out in the end, but from the looks of it and from the history there may not be an "end".
BFL is a US company and as such is subject to FTC regulations, which they are currently violating, but please don't take my word for it, read all about it here:
http://business.ftc.gov/documents/alt051-selling-internet-prompt-delivery-rules
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By law, you must have a reasonable basis for stating that a product can be shipped within a certain time. If your advertising doesn't clearly and prominently state the shipment period, you must have a reasonable basis for believing that you can ship within 30 days.
If you can't ship within the promised time (or within 30 days if you made no promise), you must notify the customer of the delay, provide a revised shipment date and explain his right to cancel and get a full and prompt refund.
For definite delays of up to 30 days, you may treat the customer's silence as agreeing to the delay. But for longer or indefinite delays - and second and subsequent delays - you must get the customer's written, electronic or verbal consent to the delay. If the customer doesn't give you his okay, you must promptly refund all the money the customer paid you without being asked by the customer.
Finally, you have the right to cancel orders that you can't fill in a timely manner, but you must promptly notify the customer of your decision and make a prompt refund.
If you can't ship within the promised time (or within 30 days if you made no promise), you must notify the customer of the delay, provide a revised shipment date and explain his right to cancel and get a full and prompt refund.
For definite delays of up to 30 days, you may treat the customer's silence as agreeing to the delay. But for longer or indefinite delays - and second and subsequent delays - you must get the customer's written, electronic or verbal consent to the delay. If the customer doesn't give you his okay, you must promptly refund all the money the customer paid you without being asked by the customer.
Finally, you have the right to cancel orders that you can't fill in a timely manner, but you must promptly notify the customer of your decision and make a prompt refund.
So, are there no BFL products in the wild yet?
They have produced and delivered some FPGA units, people seemed quite happy with them. So yeah they have produced products.
But BFL ASICs, I dont think any in the wild.
Two problems with that thinking, though I thought along the same lines at one time. First, Thomas Van Riper also produced FPGAs and in fact is still selling them(BTCFPGA), yet he failed miserably at producing an ASIC product. Secondly and more ominously, BFL had a stash of FPGA chips that they turned into FPGA products and when those ran out they stopped selling FPGAs. While this isn't in itself an indictment, the fact that they sanded the markings off the chips and didn't seek a new supply/continue selling is disturbing. To compound concerns they trashed the FPGA market when they ran out of chips to sell by announcing an ASIC product on a timeline they couldn't hope to meet.
For those of you playing at home and who aren't familiar with CreativeX, the above quoted post is a lie. Go ahead and ask CreativeX to provide and evidence or proof for his statements. None will be forthcoming. CreativeX is a known habitual liar, proven many times over. The above post is yet another example of his inability to be truthful in his statements. When confronted with his lies, he responds with ridiculous statements like "I don't need evidence to form an opinion." (This is an actual quote by CreativeX). When backed into a corner, he will claim his lies, which is tries to pass of as facts, are just "opinions," but won't make that "fact" clear until it's pointed out, that's where the whole not needing evidence to form any sort of opinion comes from. I mean, if you can just make stuff up like he does, why would you need evidence?
JZ, really man, stop trolling and produce a product. Preferably something besides a coffee mug, a t-shirt, or a box of fans. For those following along at home, BFL said:
Honest Abe we'll really ship ASIC mining gear in October 2012, but here it is March of 2013 and where are the products people paid for up to eight months ago? They also said they'd "scheduled shipments" in November, December, January, and February, yet no one has received what they've paid for, including those that paid eight months ago.
This chart sums up the problem with BFL perfectly:
This from BFL CS, but the unlabeled COO of BFL who masquerades here as an unaffiliated bystander said this on 2/19/13:
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The currently estimated shipping time frame if you were to order today is the end of April or Beginning of May. This is just an estimate, and until we know how many units we can produce per day and specifically when the bulk of our chips will be ready, we can't give a more accurate estimate.
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre-sales-questions/1084-if-i-order-now-when-will-i-get-my-order.html
Why the discrepancy with such a tiny company? Why can't they all spit out the same estimates? Why are they endlessly wrong about shipping dates and why are there never any positive surprises? Is it even reasonable to expect honesty from a company founded by a convicted thief? Do yourself a favor and do not send them a penny or a satoshi until they prove they can deliver ASIC mining hardware. Their competition has delivered products already and they began work on their product months after BFL did.
I don't know what the deal is with all that Creativex is saying here, but misleading people for an entire year and taking in large sums of money for it should be considered criminal, no? I'm not the one to judge or even say that is the case. I hope everything works out in the end, but from the looks of it and from the history there may not be an "end".
How's that proof coming for your above statement, CreativeX? Managed to find any yet? No? I wonder why not... Couldn't be because you're a liar, could it?
Proof of what? Clock buffers? Proof of fraud from BFL officers? Proof of non-delivery? Where can I buy a new FPGA on BFL's website? Link? What products are available for shipment from BFL right now? How is your salary paid Mr. COO? Pre-order funds perhaps? I know, just one more question you'll ignore...don't hurt yourself buddy.
You prove something for once pal. You're the one taking in millions in pre-order $$$ and delivering nothing but hot air.We both know you were personally lying to potential customers last quarter when you were suggesting that BFL could still ship in November then December and anyone that doubts this can search the forums for themselves. You accuse everyone that's critical of BFL of being a liar, while merrily trolling every thread that goes against your scammy little company until mods come along and lock it. Trouble is, you incompetent clowns don't know what you're doing and your song and dance is wearing thin even for true believers. The network hashrate rising with ASICMiner and Avalon coming online isn't helping much is it? First to begin development and last to deliver...if you had an ounce of pride you'd be too embarrassed to show your mug around here.
How's that proof coming for your above statement, CreativeX? Managed to find any yet? No? I wonder why not... Couldn't be because you're a liar, could it?
So, are there no BFL products in the wild yet?
They have produced and delivered some FPGA units, people seemed quite happy with them. So yeah they have produced products.
But BFL ASICs, I dont think any in the wild.
Two problems with that thinking, though I thought along the same lines at one time. First, Thomas Van Riper also produced FPGAs and in fact is still selling them(BTCFPGA), yet he failed miserably at producing an ASIC product. Secondly and more ominously, BFL had a stash of FPGA chips that they turned into FPGA products and when those ran out they stopped selling FPGAs. While this isn't in itself an indictment, the fact that they sanded the markings off the chips and didn't seek a new supply/continue selling is disturbing. To compound concerns they trashed the FPGA market when they ran out of chips to sell by announcing an ASIC product on a timeline they couldn't hope to meet.
For those of you playing at home and who aren't familiar with CreativeX, the above quoted post is a lie. Go ahead and ask CreativeX to provide and evidence or proof for his statements. None will be forthcoming. CreativeX is a known habitual liar, proven many times over. The above post is yet another example of his inability to be truthful in his statements. When confronted with his lies, he responds with ridiculous statements like "I don't need evidence to form an opinion." (This is an actual quote by CreativeX). When backed into a corner, he will claim his lies, which is tries to pass of as facts, are just "opinions," but won't make that "fact" clear until it's pointed out, that's where the whole not needing evidence to form any sort of opinion comes from. I mean, if you can just make stuff up like he does, why would you need evidence?
JZ, really man, stop trolling and produce a product. Preferably something besides a coffee mug, a t-shirt, or a box of fans. For those following along at home, BFL said:
Honest Abe we'll really ship ASIC mining gear in October 2012, but here it is March of 2013 and where are the products people paid for up to eight months ago? They also said they'd "scheduled shipments" in November, December, January, and February, yet no one has received what they've paid for, including those that paid eight months ago.
This chart sums up the problem with BFL perfectly:
This from BFL CS, but the unlabeled COO of BFL who masquerades here as an unaffiliated bystander said this on 2/19/13:
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The currently estimated shipping time frame if you were to order today is the end of April or Beginning of May. This is just an estimate, and until we know how many units we can produce per day and specifically when the bulk of our chips will be ready, we can't give a more accurate estimate.
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre-sales-questions/1084-if-i-order-now-when-will-i-get-my-order.html
Why the discrepancy with such a tiny company? Why can't they all spit out the same estimates? Why are they endlessly wrong about shipping dates and why are there never any positive surprises? Is it even reasonable to expect honesty from a company founded by a convicted thief? Do yourself a favor and do not send them a penny or a satoshi until they prove they can deliver ASIC mining hardware. Their competition has delivered products already and they began work on their product months after BFL did.
So, are there no BFL products in the wild yet?
They have produced and delivered some FPGA units, people seemed quite happy with them. So yeah they have produced products.
But BFL ASICs, I dont think any in the wild.
Two problems with that thinking, though I thought along the same lines at one time. First, Thomas Van Riper also produced FPGAs and in fact is still selling them(BTCFPGA), yet he failed miserably at producing an ASIC product. Secondly and more ominously, BFL had a stash of FPGA chips that they turned into FPGA products and when those ran out they stopped selling FPGAs. While this isn't in itself an indictment, the fact that they sanded the markings off the chips and didn't seek a new supply/continue selling is disturbing. To compound concerns they trashed the FPGA market when they ran out of chips to sell by announcing an ASIC product on a timeline they couldn't hope to meet.
For those of you playing at home and who aren't familiar with CreativeX, the above quoted post is a lie. Go ahead and ask CreativeX to provide and evidence or proof for his statements. None will be forthcoming. CreativeX is a known habitual liar, proven many times over. The above post is yet another example of his inability to be truthful in his statements. When confronted with his lies, he responds with ridiculous statements like "I don't need evidence to form an opinion." (This is an actual quote by CreativeX). When backed into a corner, he will claim his lies, which is tries to pass of as facts, are just "opinions," but won't make that "fact" clear until it's pointed out, that's where the whole not needing evidence to form any sort of opinion comes from. I mean, if you can just make stuff up like he does, why would you need evidence?
It is safe to assume that BFL is a scam at this point.
Avalon has "Jeff" and some "foundation" claiming they received working ASIICs.
However we do not see a flood of random users that we would see from all the other "normal" people that ordered from Avalon.
Instead we see 1 day old youtube accounts (from the aboved referenced "foundation") that have only 1 video on their youtube account. One very low quality, short, uninformative, blurry video... from a group posing as a large professional "foundation".
You may guess where my point is going...
Has anyone "normal" verified ASIICS are even real yet? Or just a scam?
I am still playing with GPUs!
Avalon has "Jeff" and some "foundation" claiming they received working ASIICs.
However we do not see a flood of random users that we would see from all the other "normal" people that ordered from Avalon.
Instead we see 1 day old youtube accounts (from the aboved referenced "foundation") that have only 1 video on their youtube account. One very low quality, short, uninformative, blurry video... from a group posing as a large professional "foundation".
You may guess where my point is going...
Has anyone "normal" verified ASIICS are even real yet? Or just a scam?
I am still playing with GPUs!
So, are there no BFL products in the wild yet?
They have produced and delivered some FPGA units, people seemed quite happy with them. So yeah they have produced products.
But BFL ASICs, I dont think any in the wild.
Two problems with that thinking, though I thought along the same lines at one time. First, Thomas Van Riper also produced FPGAs and in fact is still selling them(BTCFPGA), yet he failed miserably at producing an ASIC product. Secondly and more ominously, BFL had a stash of FPGA chips that they turned into FPGA products and when those ran out they stopped selling FPGAs. While this isn't in itself an indictment, the fact that they sanded the markings off the chips and didn't seek a new supply/continue selling is disturbing. To compound concerns they trashed the FPGA market when they ran out of chips to sell by announcing an ASIC product on a timeline they couldn't hope to meet.
Sanding chips is not too bad, an attempt to prevent their HDL being copied.
Having a full custom ASIC produced is a very big deal compared to FPGA which can be done by hobbyists. Once they decided to take that path they had to dump all resources into it.
Time will tell if they deliver or obscond to some tropical paradise.
So, are there no BFL products in the wild yet?
They have produced and delivered some FPGA units, people seemed quite happy with them. So yeah they have produced products.
But BFL ASICs, I dont think any in the wild.
Two problems with that thinking, though I thought along the same lines at one time. First, Thomas Van Riper also produced FPGAs and in fact is still selling them(BTCFPGA), yet he failed miserably at producing an ASIC product. Secondly and more ominously, BFL had a stash of FPGA chips that they turned into FPGA products and when those ran out they stopped selling FPGAs. While this isn't in itself an indictment, the fact that they sanded the markings off the chips and didn't seek a new supply/continue selling is disturbing. To compound concerns they trashed the FPGA market when they ran out of chips to sell by announcing an ASIC product on a timeline they couldn't hope to meet.
So, are there no BFL products in the wild yet?
They have produced and delivered some FPGA units, people seemed quite happy with them. So yeah they have produced products.
But BFL ASICs, I dont think any in the wild.
My thoughts exactly!
I remember back in the day when BFL announced their ASIC products they would be ready, ummmm, last year in November or something. Now, here it is March already in 2013. I need to know how bad can a company predict when something will be available? I can give a guess, but when you are off by several months you really have to think they don't know what they are doing at all. I want to know, WHY IS BFL STILL TAKING ORDERS FOR A PRODUCT THAT DOESN'T EXSIST. Isn't there a legal aspect about this? Is this a fraudulent act, to advertise something that isn't available or can't even be proven to be available? Man, those few people with those Avalons must be cashing in big time. How lucky they are. Last year I never even heard of Avalon.
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placing an order with BFL will not result in a product anytime soon...if ever.
So, are there no BFL products in the wild yet?
From their website they looked pretty legit. Granted, I am lord of the noobs when it comes to BitMining and have 0 idea about any of this just yet.
Zero. Yeah their website is lovely.
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placing an order with BFL will not result in a product anytime soon...if ever.
So, are there no BFL products in the wild yet?
From their website they looked pretty legit. Granted, I am lord of the noobs when it comes to BitMining and have 0 idea about any of this just yet.
The BFL casing looks better and the power requirements seem to be a lot lower
It's going to be a very long time before power costs become an issue. GPUs are still quite profitable. What matters now is initial cost and time to delivery.
Thanks for the advice. "Hurry up and wait" may not be the most exciting course of action, but it's probably the most prudent.
I suggest you wait for more information and then choose a vendor when there's a choice to be made.
This is about the best advice which can be given to potential ASIC buyers right now.
Keep in mind that Avalon tends to announce the opening of orders for their next batch at fairly short notice, so you need to check for updates regularly if you even want the option to place a Batch 3 order.
It's simple at the moment as you cannot order from Avalon until batch 3 opens anyway and placing an order with BFL will not result in a product anytime soon...if ever.
I suggest you wait for more information and then choose a vendor when there's a choice to be made.
I suggest you wait for more information and then choose a vendor when there's a choice to be made.
Just went to order an Avalon and they are OUT OF STOCK. Will there be a batch #3, and do you thin it would even be worth it at that time?
I'm in a similar boat. The BFL casing looks better and the power requirements seem to be a lot lower - but they don't seem to exist and I'm getting nervous about them ever existing. On the other hand the Avalons appear to have next-to-no documentation at present. I cant really get a finger on how they're set up or configured from their website. I'm sure I could spend some time researching it, but the lack of first-party info is a bit off putting.
In other words, I'm torn between vaporware and a bundle of questions. Someone present a compelling argument for either side please.
Just went to order an Avalon and they are OUT OF STOCK. Will there be a batch #3, and do you thin it would even be worth it at that time?
I was one of those who ordered from basic...
What do I do now? Who to order from?
What do I do now? Who to order from?
You have two choices.
- Avalon delivered shit and will probably do so again
- BFL might deliver shit, but anything they deliver will have lower operating costs
Yep huge and make all of this NOISE !!!
CaCHIN$...CaCHIN$ ...every hour your are disturbed by money going into your account ~$14 per hour ...more than my job @ McDOnalds ...lol
You are seriously getting $14/hour return on your Avalon?
I bought an avalon (the car) and I pay $14/hr to drive it. Switchies for your avalon?
I was one of those who ordered from basic...
What do I do now? Who to order from?
What do I do now? Who to order from?
You have two choices.
- Avalon delivered shit and will probably do so again
- BFL might deliver shit, but anything they deliver will have lower operating costs
Yep huge and make all of this NOISE !!!
CaCHIN$...CaCHIN$ ...every hour your are disturbed by money going into your account ~$14 per hour ...more than my job @ McDOnalds ...lol
You are seriously getting $14/hour return on your Avalon?
I pre-ordered a jalapeno, hopefully I'll be cha-chinging soon too.
Do da cha cha. 
I pre-ordered a jalapeno, hopefully I'll be cha-chinging soon too.
At least with AVALON the shit actually exists.
I will concede to your point. 2 > 0. 
At least with AVALON the shit actually exists.
I was one of those who ordered from basic...
What do I do now? Who to order from?
You have two choices.What do I do now? Who to order from?
- Avalon delivered shit and will probably do so again
- BFL might deliver shit, but anything they deliver will have lower operating costs
I was one of those who ordered from basic...
What do I do now? Who to order from?
What do I do now? Who to order from?
You have two choices.
- Avalon delivered shit and will probably do so again
- BFL might deliver shit, but anything they deliver will have lower operating costs
Avalon delivered and some people have them why are they shit?
Shit as in, "This is some awesome shit" rather than "This shit sucks."
YipYip is possibly the best poster on this forum (after me)
Is that why your ignore button is already turning yellow? Stop flirting with me crazyates, I'm a taken lady.
YipYip is possibly the best poster on this forum (after me)
Is that why your ignore button is already turning yellow? I was one of those who ordered from basic...
What do I do now? Who to order from?
What do I do now? Who to order from?
You have two choices.
- Avalon delivered shit and will probably do so again
- BFL might deliver shit, but anything they deliver will have lower operating costs
Yep huge and make all of this NOISE !!!
CaCHIN$...CaCHIN$ ...every hour your are disturbed by money going into your account ~$14 per hour ...more than my job @ McDOnalds ...lol
^^^
YipYip is possibly the best poster on this forum (after me)
I was one of those who ordered from basic...
What do I do now? Who to order from?
What do I do now? Who to order from?
You have two choices.
- Avalon delivered shit and will probably do so again
- BFL might deliver shit, but anything they deliver will have lower operating costs
Yep huge and make all of this NOISE !!!
CaCHIN$...CaCHIN$ ...every hour your are disturbed by money going into your account ~$14 per hour ...more than my job @ McDOnalds ...lol
+1 CHA CHING!
I was one of those who ordered from basic...
What do I do now? Who to order from?
What do I do now? Who to order from?
You have two choices.
- Avalon delivered shit and will probably do so again
- BFL might deliver shit, but anything they deliver will have lower operating costs
Yep huge and make all of this NOISE !!!
CaCHIN$...CaCHIN$ ...every hour your are disturbed by money going into your account ~$14 per hour ...more than my job @ McDOnalds ...lol
I was one of those who ordered from basic...
What do I do now? Who to order from?
What do I do now? Who to order from?
You have two choices.
- Avalon delivered shit and will probably do so again
- BFL might deliver shit, but anything they deliver will have lower operating costs
I was one of those who ordered from basic...
What do I do now? Who to order from?
What do I do now? Who to order from?
You have two choices.
- Avalon delivered shit and will probably do so again
- BFL might deliver shit, but anything they deliver will have lower operating costs
Avalon delivered and some people have them why are they shit?
Now Avalon ASICs seem to be real, I'm jumping on that bandwagon.
Avalon has shipped ASICs, but only in a limited capacity. Their first batch was 300 units. Their second batch has not been opened up for preorders. When it does, it will be for 600 units, and will be available here: http://www.avalon-asics.com/
BFL is set to start shipping ASICs in about 2 weeks, and they are currently accepting preorders here: http://www.butterflylabs.com/
BFL is set to start shipping ASICs in about 2 weeks, and they are currently accepting preorders here: http://www.butterflylabs.com/
I was one of those who ordered from basic...
What do I do now? Who to order from?
What do I do now? Who to order from?
You have two choices.
- Avalon delivered shit and will probably do so again
- BFL might deliver shit, but anything they deliver will have lower operating costs
I was one of those who ordered from basic...
What do I do now? Who to order from?
What do I do now? Who to order from?
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