Which coins are really privacy and anonymous?

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Quote from: AlexeyB on January 29, 2018, 03:27:43 PM

Quote from: Febo on January 26, 2018, 01:21:32 PM

Quote from: Wladestaucs on January 25, 2018, 03:54:29 AM

Xspec is very inexpensive compared to Monero, and both are neck and neck in terms of privacy and anonymity capability.

That is totally not true. What on earth are you talking about. Who have same level of anonymity as Monero? Do I need to paste what i wrote up once again? What in Monero do what. OK just for you:

Simple, anonymity in Monero the most fungible and untraceable crypto coin in existence is achieved with with 4 things:

1. Ring signatures, that hide the output being used by hiding it among several others that also appear to be used. NOTE: this is very different than mixing.

2. Stealth addresses, that removes the association between outputs and addresses.

3. RingCT, that is basically a confidential transactions that works with a ring signatures. (Updated with Bulletproofs in 2018)

4. Kovri, that hides the IP for the transaction broadcast. This data is never stored on-chain, but it can help protect users from malicious nodes. ( Updated in 2018)

But even with all that Monero is still work in progress and research and adds new innovations to always stray ahead of blockchain analysis.

To add some to how much development there is in Monero and how many people work on Monero check out this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K33PoKM7vOM

Now explain me how is each thing solved in the other coin so is par to Monero.

Monero is a really privacy coin, but Monero hasn't Kovri at this moment - this is stated on the official website: https://getmonero.org/resources/moneropedia/kovri.html

Quote from: https://getmonero.org/resources/moneropedia/kovri.html

Kovri is a C++ implementation of the I2P network. Kovri is currently in heavy, active development and not yet integrated with Monero.

Even Kovri alpha version isn't implemented yet, and it is only in the RoadMap: https://getmonero.org/resources/roadmap/
Both I2P and Tor are commonly used to hide the IP addresses of users. But in Monero we can see IP-addresses of users - run the script: https://github.com/DotNetRussell/MoneroUserScraper to obtain the IP addresses "213.114.82.127", "82.161.134.181", "73.150.225.122", ... of the Monero wallets and nodes: https://dotnetrussell.com/index.php/2017/10/21/locating-monero-users-via-transaction-broadcasts/

Comparison of current, already implemented technologies (excluding technologies from the roadmap)
- Monero (XMR): Ring signatures, Stealth addresses, RingCT
- Spectrecoin (XSPEC): Ring signatures, Stealth addresses, Tor+OBFS4

More information about the current state of the technology in different coins: https://hsto.org/webt/ff/fd/c5/fffdc5rsimcwozv65u9v21wwhyo.png

Even if spectrecoin and monero's ring signature implementation were the same (Are they? I have yet to see serious analysis of spectrecoin from critic or shill), monero's anonymity set is larger (How many private tx does spectrecoin have a month?) and it's fungible due to mandatory privacy. So until spectrecoin is doing 100k tx and all its tx are private, you are comparing apples and oranges.

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Quote from: Febo on January 26, 2018, 01:21:32 PM

Quote from: Wladestaucs on January 25, 2018, 03:54:29 AM

Xspec is very inexpensive compared to Monero, and both are neck and neck in terms of privacy and anonymity capability.

That is totally not true. What on earth are you talking about. Who have same level of anonymity as Monero? Do I need to paste what i wrote up once again? What in Monero do what. OK just for you:

Simple, anonymity in Monero the most fungible and untraceable crypto coin in existence is achieved with with 4 things:

1. Ring signatures, that hide the output being used by hiding it among several others that also appear to be used. NOTE: this is very different than mixing.

2. Stealth addresses, that removes the association between outputs and addresses.

3. RingCT, that is basically a confidential transactions that works with a ring signatures. (Updated with Bulletproofs in 2018)

4. Kovri, that hides the IP for the transaction broadcast. This data is never stored on-chain, but it can help protect users from malicious nodes. ( Updated in 2018)

But even with all that Monero is still work in progress and research and adds new innovations to always stray ahead of blockchain analysis.

To add some to how much development there is in Monero and how many people work on Monero check out this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K33PoKM7vOM

Now explain me how is each thing solved in the other coin so is par to Monero.

Monero is a really privacy coin, but Monero hasn't Kovri at this moment - this is stated on the official website: https://getmonero.org/resources/moneropedia/kovri.html

Quote from: https://getmonero.org/resources/moneropedia/kovri.html

Kovri is a C++ implementation of the I2P network. Kovri is currently in heavy, active development and not yet integrated with Monero.

Even Kovri alpha version isn't implemented yet, and it is only in the RoadMap: https://getmonero.org/resources/roadmap/
Both I2P and Tor are commonly used to hide the IP addresses of users. But in Monero we can see IP-addresses of users - run the script: https://github.com/DotNetRussell/MoneroUserScraper to obtain the IP addresses "213.114.82.127", "82.161.134.181", "73.150.225.122", ... of the Monero wallets and nodes: https://dotnetrussell.com/index.php/2017/10/21/locating-monero-users-via-transaction-broadcasts/

Comparison of current, already implemented technologies (excluding technologies from the roadmap)
- Monero (XMR): Ring signatures, Stealth addresses, RingCT
- Spectrecoin (XSPEC): Ring signatures, Stealth addresses, Tor+OBFS4

More information about the current state of the technology in different coins: https://hsto.org/webt/ff/fd/c5/fffdc5rsimcwozv65u9v21wwhyo.png

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Quote from: Wladestaucs on January 25, 2018, 03:54:29 AM

Xspec is very inexpensive compared to Monero, and both are neck and neck in terms of privacy and anonymity capability.

That is totally not true. What on earth are you talking about. Who have same level of anonymity as Monero? Do I need to paste what i wrote up once again? What in Monero do what. OK just for you:

Simple, anonymity in Monero the most fungible and untraceable crypto coin in existence is achieved with with 4 things:

1. Ring signatures, that hide the output being used by hiding it among several others that also appear to be used. NOTE: this is very different than mixing.

2. Stealth addresses, that removes the association between outputs and addresses.

3. RingCT, that is basically a confidential transactions that works with a ring signatures. (Updated with Bulletproofs in 2018)

4. Kovri, that hides the IP for the transaction broadcast. This data is never stored on-chain, but it can help protect users from malicious nodes. ( Updated in 2018)

But even with all that Monero is still work in progress and research and adds new innovations to always stray ahead of blockchain analysis.

To add some to how much development there is in Monero and how many people work on Monero check out this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K33PoKM7vOM

Now explain me how is each thing solved in the other coin so is par to Monero.

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For anyone saying Spectrecoin (Xspec) is a scam, I say go right on ahead and keep spreading that FUD. The weak hands will believe you and dump their coins, and I'll be waiting to pick up those cheap coins. So keep saying Xspec is a scam, because you're going to make me even richer when its 50% of XMR's market cap!

Xspec is very inexpensive compared to Monero, and both are neck and neck in terms of privacy and anonymity capability.

I don't hate on XMR. I never would. It is simply great.
Same reason I don't hate on Xspec. Tech is right there. But at a massive discount to XMR.

But hey, keep FUD'n, and I'll keep stackin'

Oakey22

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Monero Monero and Monero, if anyone says they have better privacy than this they are lying. Look up the info on Monero and you will see that the FBI are scared of it because the privacy is just that good. Zcash i wouldnt touch with a barge pole, PIVX is a dash clone, Dash is just a giant scam too.

Monero - the only coin that is for the people and completely private

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Quote from: SCAR_8 on January 24, 2018, 09:16:03 PM

Very informative write up on XSPEC history vovannovig2. Thank you for all that, I knew some of that but not all. Should clear up SOME of the FUD about this great coin. It's headed towards the top!

Spectrecoin (XSPEC) really best privacy coin

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Quote from: SCAR_8 on January 24, 2018, 09:16:03 PM

Very informative write up on XSPEC history vovannovig2. Thank you for all that, I knew some of that but not all. Should clear up SOME of the FUD about this great coin. It's headed towards the top!

I copied the story from the site. A source - https://altcoinwiki.org/en/SpectreCoin

All the necessary information about the project is freely available, the developer answers questions in the SLACK, a friendly community.

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Very informative write up on XSPEC history vovannovig2. Thank you for all that, I knew some of that but not all. Should clear up SOME of the FUD about this great coin. It's headed towards the top!

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Quote from: iwishicouldfly on January 24, 2018, 10:09:38 AM

Not really convinced of xSpec, tiny development team. One or two people. Who were extremely inactive over a long period of time (look at commits to source repository on github).

https://github.com/spectrecoin/spectre/releases - jbg released this 8 days ago Grin

The guys are all easy to check - https://altcoinwiki.org/en/SpectreCoin

History

SpectreCoin was created in 2016 to improve on the concept of ShadowCash (SDC). The ICO took place starting Nov 20, 2016, until Jan 8, 2017. The goal was to add Tor integration to the ShadowCash codebase, and further extend the concept of an anonymous currency to target remittances via a mobile application, using a system inspired by Hawala. To release the ICO funds through an escrow, the Tor integration part was completed and submitted a few days after the ICO had ended.

Unfortunately, only few funds could be acquired during ICO, totaling to ~17 BTC (~16,000 USD at that time). The reason for this was unclear, part of it could be a bad timing and some people calling it a scam or "ShadowCash clone" repeatedly. Still as planned, the entirety of 20 Mio. XSPEC was proportionally distributed to the participating investors, resulting in an astonishing ICO price of only 83 sat on average (most investors paid more like 90 sat per coin, due to a bonus system to benefit early birds during ICO). As soon as the Tor integration was submitted and the coin was listed on exchanges, it was traded at a more realistic price of 1000-2000 sat, leading to a very high initial return for ICO investors. A large portion of the money acquired through the ICO was immediately spent on paying the contracted developers for their initial development work.

Since April 2017, the ShadowCash project has been abandoned for a new project of the ShadowCash developers called Particl, which ultimately stopped the accusations of SpectreCoin being a ShadowCash clone.

During summer 2017, SpectreCoin founder mandica started facing serious health issues and finally handed over the project leadership to lead developer jbg, who is now developing the coin.

Aug 9, 2017, SpectreCoin version 1.3.0 was released by jbg. This update fixed a lot of issues in the old codebase, updated Tor, included a 32-bit binary for Windows and added support for the OBFS4 obfuscation protocol. Also, a new website was created on https://spectreproject.io/ with updated information and a new, clean design to display the philosophy of the new project leadership.

From Aug 20 to Aug 25, 2017, the community raised ~37,500 XSPEC and 1 BTC (which was about ~$4000 USD at that time) to fund development, which allowed jbg to quit his job and work as a full-time developer for SpectreCoin.

Sept 10, 2017, an ex-colleague of jbg, @brycel, joined the project as a cryptographer in order to improve the stealth transaction mechanism, so that it could be used as the default transaction mechanism in future versions. Brycel was initially paid by Mandica from her own pocket to work for 1 month.

Sept 11, 2017, wallet version 1.3.1 was released by jbg, which addressed a visual bug in previous wallet versions that had become known as the infamous zero-balance bug, because it made the users balance appear as zero. Furthermore, this release was the first to include a binary for Apple MacOS. A change to the stealth transaction mechanism was introduced so that the wallet allows for non-anonymous ring signatures with only 1 or 2 members. The reason for this was that at that stage, the network often did not have enough participants for ring signatures to do a full ring signature transaction. On the same day, version 1.3.2 was released that fixed a minor bug in version 1.3.1.

Sept 12, 2017, version 1.3.3 was released, which fixes some further GUI issues, and brings faster wallet startup and sync performance.

During October 2017, the community raised additional funding for Brycel so that he could continue working on the project.

Wallet version 1.3.4 with an updated Tor version, updated node list and a new "staking reward donation system" was to be released on Jan 8, 2018, but got delayed due to a leveldb transition issue and a Qt4 bug on Windows. The decision was made to skip 1.3.4 and instead port the wallet to Qt5, which would become version 1.3.5.

Jan 16, 2018, wallet version 1.3.5 got released. With this release, a new project funding mechanism was introduced, that allows users to donate a certain percentage of their staking rewards to the developers of Spectrecoin. The donation is probabilistic, and by default 5% of the staking rewards are donated, which means that on average, every 20th staking reward will be accounted to the official donation address instead of the user's address. By donating up to 100% of their staking rewards, users can decide to financially support the development team on an ongoing basis, in order for them to be able to grow the team and hire additional full-time developers.

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Just wanted to say original post did a great job, love the style of the chart. Easy to read / understand. Hopefully we can add more coins to the chart to make it even more comprehensive.

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Not really convinced of xSpec, tiny development team. One or two people. Who were extremely inactive over a long period of time (look at commits to source repository on github). Top 1,000 addresses own 99% of the coin. So yeah, whales abound. Had thousands of it at one point but the longer things go on the more I believe it's a shilled ponzi scheme. There are better alternatives out there and likely will be better solutions in the future.

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Quote from: Denamen on January 19, 2018, 09:36:39 PM

for me if you have enough skill any coin can be anonymous. Cheesy

Lmao, I don't think so. Bitcoin scrambler won't help you Cheesy

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I analyze a lot, I seek information.
But every day I'm more and more convinced that I have chosen the right project!
XSPEC is the best anonymous project for me, I like that I can hide my physical address and all my operations.

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ZCash..
Eventually Hush, Zoin or Zerocoin...
XZC is okay..

ZSnarks is a head above all else...
Hence, Bitcoin Private ... I think it'll be big

AlexeyB

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Did you notice that no one has ever written their addresses of other coins, except for Monero and Spectrecoin?
If your coins are truly privacy, you need not be afraid to write your addresses.

What about the other coins?
- PIVX: ZKP (zPIVX), Multi-sig, PoS 3.0, $450 M - market cap
- Particl: RingCT, Multi-sig, Atomic-swap, Staking quantum resistance, PPos, $200 M - market cap, low for this tech
- Komodo: ZKP (Zerocash, zkSNARKS), Atomic-swap, $600 M - market cap
- Zclassic: ZKP (Zerocash, zkSNARKS), non-mix-masternodes, optional Tor, $320 M - market cap
- ZenCash: ZKP (Zerocash, zkSNARKS), TLS-non-mix-masternodes, optional Tor, $100 M - market cap, low for this tech
- Zoin: ZKP (Zerocoin), $23 M - market cap

https://hsto.org/webt/ff/fd/c5/fffdc5rsimcwozv65u9v21wwhyo.png

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Quote from: signaturecoin on January 22, 2018, 01:51:26 PM

So.. all this theatre was just to promote your ponzi coin called Spectrecoin? Gosh.. all those shill paid guys are very creative nowadays..
No one is using that coin, it was suddenly on the top 350 and now it is below the top 500. What happened mate? the team doesn't have any other ideas to shill it?

Bellow 500? Sure? 244, it has been ~180. Im not paid for no one. Are you crazy?

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So.. all this theatre was just to promote your ponzi coin called Spectrecoin? Gosh.. all those shill paid guys are very creative nowadays..
No one is using that coin, it was suddenly on the top 350 and now it is below the top 500. What happened mate? the team doesn't have any other ideas to shill it?

Riten

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Please take a look at the Deeponion. It's not fully anonymous, but it will be with Deepsend option and TOR integration.
Very nice coin and aggressive community lol

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Quote from: KimJungUn on January 21, 2018, 09:25:51 AM

XSPEC is a scam coin. The only people you'll see pushing it are people speaking broken english. There's a reason for that, and that's because they are attempting a "get rich quick scheme" that seems to be prevalent in crypto now.

Hence: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xspec/

Public richlist, Largest wallets are all visible. = Not private.

In the future if they can fix those things, then maybe we can have the discussion if it can have the privacy features that coins had in 2014.

hahaha XSPEC is definitely not a scam. And if you have read anything about the coin you would know that and know that it will be completely private soon and has more features than most any other privacy coin. Like stealth staking. I can't wait for that. There is a lot of work going into XSPEC it will be one of the top contenders for privacy in a year or so.

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1st of May

Quote from: Flamaicon on January 19, 2018, 08:46:58 PM

For all that I read, news, tech, and my friends... In my opinion:
Spectrecoin
Zcash

Spectre coin is new one and before that monero is the most privacy one and its the first privacy coin.
However, really privacy or not, it dose not matter for me because i domt use the crypto for something else. I only use cryptocurrency for investment amd i hope my capital can grow enough.

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Simple, anonymity in Monero the most fungible and untraceable crypto coin in existence is achieved with with 4 things:

1. Ring signatures, that hide the output being used by hiding it among several others that also appear to be used. NOTE: this is very different than mixing.

2. Stealth addresses, that removes the association between outputs and addresses.

3. RingCT, that is basically a confidential transactions that works with a ring signatures. (Updated with Bulletproofs in 2018)

4. Kovri, that hides the IP for the transaction broadcast. This data is never stored on-chain, but it can help protect users from malicious nodes. ( Updated in 2018)

But even with all that Monero is still work in progress and research and adds new innovations to always stray ahead of blockchain analysis.

To add some to how much development there is in Monero and how many people work on Monero check out this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K33PoKM7vOM

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Quote from: vovannovig2 on January 22, 2018, 02:44:55 AM

Quote from: iwishicouldfly on January 22, 2018, 02:11:43 AM

The public rich list and the fact that 99% of coins are held by the top 1000 (which is insane even by other crypto standards) are the reasons I sold my 1k xSpec when it dipped under 5 usd (to 4.5). Won't be buying back in either unless some serious redistribution occurs.

Here's a look:
BitCloud

Code:

Top 1000 17,793,525 BTDX 99.97 %

XSPEC BELONGS HERE

BitSend

Code:

Top 1000 17,694,339 BSD 98.68 %

VeriCoin

Code:

Top 1000 30,210,364 VRC 98.25 %

Diamond

Code:

Top 1000 2,553,961 DMD 97.71 %

ColossusCoinXT

Code:

Top 1000 10,274,349,647 COLX 95.46 %

Groestlcoin

Code:

Top 1000 65,925,525 GRS 95.17 %

Particl

Code:

Top 1000 6,307,307 PART 94.52 %

BlackCoin

Code:

Top 1000 68,873,192 BLK 89.89 %

Stratis

Code:

Top 1000 87,350,923 STRAT 88.49 %

DigiByte

Code:

Top 1000 8,036,828,910 DGB 82.58 %

PURA

Code:

Top 1000 144,559,209 PURA 80.62 %

Litecoin - First edition = October 12, 2011 (The project is more than 6 years old !!!)

Code:

Top 1000 36,097,870 LTC 65.79 %

In general, it is necessary to understand that PoW projects - miners create new wallets during extraction.
PoS projects - store all your money in one purse to get more booty !!
Therefore, all POS-projects have a small number of wallets.

Are you really trying to compare XSPEC bag holders to those coins? The coins that have over 70% are SCAMS, it only takes a few seconds to research those other coins. If you're trying to group those coins in with XSPEC, you're a scammer.

It's #2 on that list, any person can see that what's below are also scam coins that only benefit a few. I can't believe 99% are held by the top 1000. That is fucking incredible and a huge verification that XSPEC = SCAM

KimJungUn

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vovannovig2 and I read through your history. You are shilling this shitcoin (SCAM) in multiple foreign languages. All you do is shill this scam coin, and the only people that are actually shilling it, again, are people with the post history that contain broken English and only post about it.

This is not private, the stupidity and the misrepresentation and to call it a "privacy" coin is a lie. The rich list shows that the top 1000 people own 99% of the coins. How fucking absurd is that? It's a blatant scam and a cash-grab by the devs to scam people. The fact that it even has a rich list basically proves that it's not a private coin.

XSPEC = SCAM

Inkognito222

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Spectrecoin (XSPEC) really best privacy coin they give you full anonymous

AlexeyB

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Guys, please, write about other privacy and anonymous coins.
Show your addresses and tell us more about technologies of your favorite coins.

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Quote from: iwishicouldfly on January 22, 2018, 02:11:43 AM

The public rich list and the fact that 99% of coins are held by the top 1000 (which is insane even by other crypto standards) are the reasons I sold my 1k xSpec when it dipped under 5 usd (to 4.5). Won't be buying back in either unless some serious redistribution occurs.

Here's a look:
BitCloud

Code:

Top 1000	17,793,525 BTDX	99.97 %

BitSend

Code:

Top 1000	17,694,339 BSD	98.68 %

VeriCoin

Code:

Top 1000	30,210,364 VRC	98.25 %

Diamond

Code:

Top 1000	2,553,961 DMD	97.71 %

ColossusCoinXT

Code:

Top 1000	10,274,349,647 COLX  95.46 %

Groestlcoin

Code:

Top 1000	65,925,525 GRS	95.17 %

Particl

Code:

Top 1000	6,307,307 PART	94.52 %

BlackCoin

Code:

Top 1000	68,873,192 BLK	89.89 %

Stratis

Code:

Top 1000	87,350,923 STRAT	88.49 %

DigiByte

Code:

Top 1000	8,036,828,910 DGB	82.58 %

PURA

Code:

Top 1000	144,559,209 PURA	80.62 %

Litecoin - First edition = October 12, 2011 (The project is more than 6 years old !!!)

Code:

Top 1000	36,097,870 LTC	65.79 %

In general, it is necessary to understand that PoW projects - miners create new wallets during extraction.
PoS projects - store all your money in one purse to get more booty !!
Therefore, all POS-projects have a small number of wallets.

Now XSPEC is the most attractive investment.

vovannovig2

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What are you talking about?
The author wrote the truth and it is easy to verify.
The fact that he writes KimJungUn, of course, is a lie. Everyone understands this.

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Quote from: KimJungUn on January 21, 2018, 08:29:07 PM

Firstly, I don't trust "hsto.org" A quick google search shows that it's a shady Russian website.

Secondly. The address you provided again, doesn't show the address is actaully to be a verified one. I honestly feel bad for you if you are on the spectrum. Assuming and knowing you are, you didn't answer any of my concerns that the address you provided actually has any coins in it or if it is actually a legit address

Thirdly, having optional stealth address doesn't make the coin private. Privacy by default is the key feature here. I can see wallets, I mean lets be honest if you're going to scam people at least block the wallets eh?

The top address (looking at the rich list, and largest wallets) 99% of the coins are held by 1000 people. If that doesn't concern you, you are only spreading this scam.

XSPEC IS A SCAM = NOT PRIVATE

Don't keep misrepresenting and telling people that it's private. You're scamming people for your "get rich quick" scheme.

The public rich list and the fact that 99% of coins are held by the top 1000 (which is insane even by other crypto standards) are the reasons I sold my 1k xSpec when it dipped under 5 usd (to 4.5). Won't be buying back in either unless some serious redistribution occurs.

therulemaster

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I think anonymous is already enough for a coin, it's hard for a coin to be privacy when it was made with blockchain system. Everything shows up (except private key) is how the blockchain works.

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GUYS, DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS THREAD.

He is only being paid in order to shill that shit of SPECTRECOIN.

the only replies that it got are about features of this coin that is being shilled in the entire forum. be careful.

vovannovig2

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Quote from: AlexeyB on January 19, 2018, 05:37:27 PM

Tell us about your privacy and anonymous coin:
1. Write your stealth-address of the coin you want to talk about (from the wallet, but not from the block-explorer) and ask us to say how much money there is.
2. Write what are the approaches of privacy used in your coins to hide TX sender and receiver: Zero-knowledge proof, Mixing, Ring-signatures, Stealth-addresses, ...
3. Write what are the approaches of anonymity used in your coins to hide users IP: Tor, I2P, OBFS4, ...
4. Using http://matchcoins.info - write what price and ROI (at how many times will the price rise) is expected from your coin if it had a market capitalization as Monero or Verge.
5. Do not use richlist to compare privacy. For example, in the real privacy coin Monero is public blockchain:
https://moneroexplorer.com/tx/84ea5936b2864709fe21ece3be8cb683d356f1f83cb5851ecbd4ee104012c583

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stealth address: b5ada231ffb6e1a83430e038847e91e6d734d6bc58287b4e693f12823732f947
amount: 5.532506139280 XMR

and if you create a richlist by ordering these addresses by the amounts - it's useless list, because richlist doesn't mean anything at all - addresses in the blockexplorer do not match the stealth-addresses in the wallets - therefore it is impossible to find Monero address from wallet in the block-explorer, you can't find in the blockexplorer this Monero address from the wallet: 4AYhVqhdEdkNSXT8UFjzAALAg4NMYURUjWdiNZCEzBTbWwkNXo1BTRCZzTcjYYDpdivhSUwG3kPV8hb T7vEzBgKRg4UW2b8z
Why is this happening: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/70v9d7/if_monero_is_private_then_what_is_this_someone/

Bitcoin
You will write your Bitcoin-address here and I will tell you how much money is on it, because Bitcoin is not a privacy. It never hide the IP addresses of their nodes - Bitcoin is not a anonymous: https://bitnodes.earn.com/nodes/

Verge
Verge is allegedly privacy and anonymous coin - IP addresses, Verge-addresses, amounts - not privacy and not anonymous:
http://xvg.keff.org/electrum.php
http://xvg.keff.org/core.php
http://xvg.keff.org/

Monero
Have a public blockchain: https://moneroexplorer.com/tx/84ea5936b2864709fe21ece3be8cb683d356f1f83cb5851ecbd4ee104012c583

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stealth address: b5ada231ffb6e1a83430e038847e91e6d734d6bc58287b4e693f12823732f947
amount: 5.532506139280 XMR

To ensure that uneducated people are not called Monero "isn't privacy coin", its authors have removed a richlist that can exist (these addresses ordered by amounts), because this richlist does not mean anything at all.
Here is the Monero address: 4AYhVqhdEdkNSXT8UFjzAALAg4NMYURUjWdiNZCEzBTbWwkNXo1BTRCZzTcjYYDpdivhSUwG3kPV8hb T7vEzBgKRg4UW2b8z
How much money is there? Can not answer - means Monero is privacy (due stealth addresses).
Also Monero uses Ring-signatures to hide TX-sender - it makes transactions untraceable.
Run the script: https://github.com/DotNetRussell/MoneroUserScraper to obtain the IP addresses "213.114.82.127", "82.161.134.181", "73.150.225.122", ... the Monero wallets and nodes. Those that are constantly located are servers/pools/miners, which occasionally are wallets: https://dotnetrussell.com/index.php/2017/10/21/locating-monero-users-via-transaction-broadcasts/
Found the IP-addresses of members of the network Monero - is not anonymous.

Spectrecoin
Here is my Spectrecoin (XSPEC) Stealth-Address: smYoRN5Kna3jo3eeAnrqoDECzG59WDajtsNZHMGZEaA9sxEYwtQDZUnGBCKM5BmXBVU4K6vKH7b6s4X oNiV7yJB8vDkhzq6HjsfMbp
How much money is there? Can not answer - means that Spectrecion is privacy (due stealth addresses).
What IPs are used by people who use this coin? Can not answer - means that Spectrecion is anonymous (due Tor+OBFS4).
Spectrecoin uses Ring-signatures to hide TX-sender in the same way as Monero - it makes transactions untraceable.

What price and ROI (at how many times will the price rise) is expected if it had a market capitalization as Monero or Verge.
Monero - XSPEC = http://matchcoins.info/?c1=monero&c2=spectrecoin

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Price of XSPEC, when XSPEC market cap reaches XMR market cap
(XMR Market Cap / XSPEC Market Cap * XSPEC price)
XSPEC = $ 257.60 (83.91x of actual XSPEC price)
0.0216251 BTC

Verge - XSPEC = http://matchcoins.info/?c1=verge&c2=spectrecoin

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Price of XSPEC, when XSPEC market cap reaches XVG market cap
(XVG Market Cap / XSPEC Market Cap * XSPEC price)
XSPEC = $ 86.74 (28.25x of actual XSPEC price)
0.0072817 BTC

Other coins: https://hsto.org/webt/ff/fd/c5/fffdc5rsimcwozv65u9v21wwhyo.png

KimJungUn - I looked through the history of your messages. You write all about XSPEC and are always negative, I think that you want to buy a lot of coins at a low price - this is the reason for the flood that you are doing. But without realizing it, you are advertising the project, because everyone understands that the project is anonymous and dynamically developing, and all your claims are an insignificant attempt to manipulate the market. I want to wish you to become an honest person, all the best to you!

Thank you for your analysis.
Indeed the XSPEC looks like the most good investment project existing today.

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Firstly, I don't trust "hsto.org" A quick google search shows that it's a shady Russian website.

Secondly. The address you provided again, doesn't show the address is actaully to be a verified one. I honestly feel bad for you if you are on the spectrum. Assuming and knowing you are, you didn't answer any of my concerns that the address you provided actually has any coins in it or if it is actually a legit address

Thirdly, having optional stealth address doesn't make the coin private. Privacy by default is the key feature here. I can see wallets, I mean lets be honest if you're going to scam people at least block the wallets eh?

The top address (looking at the rich list, and largest wallets) 99% of the coins are held by 1000 people. If that doesn't concern you, you are only spreading this scam.

XSPEC IS A SCAM = NOT PRIVATE

Don't keep misrepresenting and telling people that it's private. You're scamming people for your "get rich quick" scheme.

KimJungUn

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Holy crap. I feel bad for people that CAN'T read. But I guess that's what you get with people that speak broken english.

You never answered my question.

XSPEC IS A SCAM = NOT PRIVATE = HAS PUBLIC RICHLIST = HAS LARGEST WALLET = 99% OF COINS IS OWNED BY 1000 WALLETS THAT ARE VIEWABLE.

Richlist
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xspec/#!rich

Seriously. It's not private, it's a misrepresentation and a scam to call it "private"

ggameon

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Quote from: theguvner on January 21, 2018, 06:15:58 PM

How about deeponion? Big community and very active developers, anyone tested?

Yeah but i think we are a bit late to that party lol

ggameon

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Quote from: djpitagora on January 21, 2018, 11:24:17 AM

Quote from: George_de_la_jungla on January 21, 2018, 11:14:05 AM

rich list only in public adresses. Spectrecoin has stealth adresses too. Could you tell me how many coins i have? you are scam bro.

post your address pls. I'd really like to see the outcome. I though spec was private before this thread...

lol this is a discussion of football hooligans throwing trash at echother.

All 3 are private to a great degree. i own verge and still have a little monero . spectre is still in review lol
why would you throw trash at other coins, specially when you know yourself that you are a liar?!!! Huh

Verge has improved privacy to a great extent, by their wraith protocol, they has even hired 3rd party audits to prove its effectiveness. I like the idea, but it is done to make some people who have money in other coins shut up and stop the idiotic stuff they say about this protocol not working properly.
Verge is going to make more changes ( changing the blockchain for wraith..) we'll see what happens

Spectre has been out of my radar for a few week, but last time i checked it seemd to be a good coin.

TheHas

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While my technical understanding of how coins achieve privacy may be a bit light on in some areas, from my own research I think Zencash is a real privacy coin (or is at least working to become a legitimate and complete privacy coin).

Have a look at their website and blog - very active developers, with a solid background and understanding of the issues. They also have some great youtube clips to explain what they are doing and why. I think they are ahead of many competitors.

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Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: obit33 on January 21, 2018, 07:11:22 PM

Quote from: AlexeyB on January 21, 2018, 06:34:15 PM

If you evaluate a coin by subjective trust to people, rather than by objective technical characteristics, then only very stupid people will listen to you KimJungUn. Stop wasting our time.

Lol, says the one trusting persons to create an anonymous coin without any white paper or technical details whatsoever... up until now XPSEC is still total vapourware... stop wasting our time

Any scam coin always has white paper, but often does not have an open source code, just think about it Grin

There is open source code: https://github.com/spectrecoin/spectre
All the general information that is usually found in white paper - there is: https://altcoinwiki.org/en/SpectreCoin
There is an objective technically comparison with a description of the advantages of other coins: https://altcoinwiki.org/en/SpectreCoin#Comparison_with_other_coins

no it's not, stop deflecting, their big gig is anonymous staking, for which they have delivered no proof whatsoever, thus vapourware at the moment... I can only hope they pull it off, but the way they're handling things now, making promises without delivering any proof has me worried, that's all...

anyway, best of luck,
best regards

obit33

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Quote from: AlexeyB on January 21, 2018, 06:34:15 PM

If you evaluate a coin by subjective trust to people, rather than by objective technical characteristics, then only very stupid people will listen to you KimJungUn. Stop wasting our time.

Lol, says the one trusting persons to create an anonymous coin without any white paper or technical details whatsoever... up until now XPSEC is still total vapourware... stop wasting our time

btw, big LOL at optional stealth addresses, optional privacy = no/bad privacy, see here: https://z.cash/blog/new-research-on-shielded-ecosystem.html

good luck hiding in plain sight

AlexeyB

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It is proved that KimJungUn is an incompetent scammer trying to mislead people: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/which-coins-are-really-privacy-and-anonymous-2788384

Quote from: ?? on ??

I don't trust you or anyone else to keep my coins from being fungible.

If you evaluate a coin by subjective trust to people, rather than by objective technical characteristics, then only very stupid people will listen to you KimJungUn. Stop wasting our time.

Zandar

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As long as you don't turn it into fiat your wallet stays anonymous, after that that wallet address can get linked to you. Blockchain info is still in its early development, as soon as the government has enough programs to be able to run a search etc it will become easy to see who has what.

theguvner

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How about deeponion? Big community and very active developers, anyone tested?

AlexeyB

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Quote from: pinky on January 21, 2018, 05:16:32 PM

Verge is one of the best anonymous coin in crypto world. If someone wanna to transfer any amount without leaving any track that user can use this gergous system for this purpose.

You should know:
http://xvg.keff.org/electrum.php
http://xvg.keff.org/core.php
http://xvg.keff.org/

KimJungUn

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Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: KimJungUn on January 21, 2018, 09:25:51 AM

XSPEC is a scam coin. The only people you'll see pushing it are people speaking broken english. There's a reason for that, and that's because they are attempting a "get rich quick scheme" that seems to be prevalent in crypto now.

Hence: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xspec/

Public richlist, Largest wallets are all visible. = Not private.

In the future if they can fix those things, then maybe we can have the discussion if it can have the privacy features that coins had in 2014.

If you think that Spectrecoin isn't privacy, here is my Spectrecoin (XSPEC) Stealth-Address: smYoRN5Kna3jo3eeAnrqoDECzG59WDajtsNZHMGZEaA9sxEYwtQDZUnGBCKM5BmXBVU4K6vKH7b6s4X oNiV7yJB8vDkhzq6HjsfMbp
How much money is there? Can not answer - means that Spectrecion is privacy and you are technically incompetent.

Did you read the first post?

Quote from: AlexeyB on January 19, 2018, 05:37:27 PM

To ensure that uneducated people are not called Monero "isn't privacy coin", its authors have removed a richlist that can exist (these addresses ordered by amounts), because this richlist does not mean anything at all.

5. Do not use richlist to compare privacy. For example, in the real privacy coin Monero is public blockchain:
https://moneroexplorer.com/tx/84ea5936b2864709fe21ece3be8cb683d356f1f83cb5851ecbd4ee104012c583

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stealth address: b5ada231ffb6e1a83430e038847e91e6d734d6bc58287b4e693f12823732f947
amount: 5.532506139280 XMR

and if you create a richlist by ordering these addresses by the amounts - it's useless list, because richlist doesn't mean anything at all - addresses in the blockexplorer do not match the stealth-addresses in the wallets - therefore it is impossible to find Monero address from wallet in the block-explorer, you can't find in the blockexplorer this Monero address from the wallet: 4AYhVqhdEdkNSXT8UFjzAALAg4NMYURUjWdiNZCEzBTbWwkNXo1BTRCZzTcjYYDpdivhSUwG3kPV8hb T7vEzBgKRg4UW2b8z
Why is this happening: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/70v9d7/if_monero_is_private_then_what_is_this_someone/

I don't have faith in scammers (you). Show me proof that the wallet is active otherwise I take it you just made up a wallet. Right now you have to prove that you are not trying to scam everyone, as we know public transactions and wallet amounts is NOT privacy. It's a Bitconnect 2.0 basically.

There is a rich list, over 99% of the coins are owned by the Top 1000 holders. This lack of privacy is asinine.

https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xspec/#!rich

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1
SUZRHjTL...
1,508,561.88 XSPEC   7.15 %   359 days 2 hours
2
SZ4S1oFf...
1,173,969.17 XSPEC   5.57 %   6 days 23 hours
3
SUkKs9fP...
694,750.00 XSPEC   3.29 %   2 days 2 hours
4
SYezC8TM...
601,477.00 XSPEC   2.85 %   20 days 1 minute
5
Si8tGuqj...
578,947.50 XSPEC   2.75 %   15 minutes
6
SgaKEMUr...
451,675.00 XSPEC   2.14 %   5 days 5 hours
7
Sgxb3can...
400,072.00 XSPEC   1.90 %   48 days 8 hours
8
SbzUUGKC...
399,888.32 XSPEC   1.90 %   1 hour 24 minutes
9
SVH1DN22...
398,383.00 XSPEC   1.89 %   21 days 5 hours
10
SdZKKp2d...
384,801.53 XSPEC   1.82 %   37 minutes
11
SU5soMCZ...
326,023.35 XSPEC   1.55 %   1 hour 5 minutes
12
SY2quR9a...
296,021.08 XSPEC   1.40 %   2 hours 7 minutes
13
SVFDCDLg...
294,199.18 XSPEC   1.40 %   1 hour 26 minutes
14
SUcnteB8...
284,860.08 XSPEC   1.35 %   1 year 10 days
15
SUvXNXe7...
262,640.68 XSPEC   1.25 %   3 days 23 hours
16
SY7riU5z...
245,899.21 XSPEC   1.17 %   20 hours 57 minutes
17
Sd2gKgwh...
215,257.13 XSPEC   1.02 %   6 days 2 hours
18
SbHFw1RB...
214,706.75 XSPEC   1.02 %   2 hours 28 minutes
19
SY6cYPWP...
210,673.00 XSPEC   1.00 %   184 days 20 hours
20
SgzxFazf...
206,471.54 XSPEC   0.98 %   49 minutes
21
SRNiiRDH...
196,120.74 XSPEC   0.93 %   15 days 9 hours
22
SP3bWDnL...
175,000.00 XSPEC   0.83 %   19 days 3 hours
23
SWHXPgKA...
170,001.63 XSPEC   0.81 %   28 minutes
24
SiQPPG4p...
169,998.48 XSPEC   0.81 %   16 hours 1 minute
25
SQKW8RVa...
168,508.27 XSPEC   0.80 %   1 day 15 hours

pinky

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Verge is one of the best anonymous coin in crypto world. If someone wanna to transfer any amount without leaving any track that user can use this gergous system for this purpose.

Dpat

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Actually, Bitcoin is true decentralized and anonymous platform. Then Dogecoin also. And any other coin which are minable are decentralized and anonymous transaction.

gikere

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My vote for XMR.

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Quote from: George_de_la_jungla on January 21, 2018, 11:14:05 AM

rich list only in public adresses. Spectrecoin has stealth adresses too. Could you tell me how many coins i have? you are scam bro.

post your address pls. I'd really like to see the outcome. I though spec was private before this thread...

George_de_la_jungla

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rich list only in public adresses. Spectrecoin has stealth adresses too. Could you tell me how many coins i have? you are scam bro.

KimJungUn

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XSPEC is a scam coin. The only people you'll see pushing it are people speaking broken english. There's a reason for that, and that's because they are attempting a "get rich quick scheme" that seems to be prevalent in crypto now.

Hence: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xspec/

Public richlist, Largest wallets are all visible. = Not private.

In the future if they can fix those things, then maybe we can have the discussion if it can have the privacy features that coins had in 2014.

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Cryptocasino.com

Quote from: maursader on January 21, 2018, 08:49:34 AM

Quote from: AlexeyB on January 19, 2018, 05:37:27 PM

Tell us about your privacy and anonymous coin:
1. Write your stealth-address of the coin you want to talk about (from the wallet, but not from the block-explorer) and ask us to say how much money there is.
2. Write what are the approaches of privacy used in your coins to hide TX sender and receiver: Zero-knowledge proof, Mixing, Ring-signatures, Stealth-addresses, ...
3. Write what are the approaches of anonymity used in your coins to hide users IP: Tor, I2P, OBFS4, ...
4. Using http://matchcoins.info - write what price and ROI (at how many times will the price rise) is expected from your coin if it had a market capitalization as Monero or Verge.
5. Do not use richlist to compare privacy. For example, in the real privacy coin Monero is public blockchain:
https://moneroexplorer.com/tx/84ea5936b2864709fe21ece3be8cb683d356f1f83cb5851ecbd4ee104012c583

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stealth address: b5ada231ffb6e1a83430e038847e91e6d734d6bc58287b4e693f12823732f947
amount: 5.532506139280 XMR

and if you create a richlist by ordering these addresses by the amounts - it's useless list, because richlist doesn't mean anything at all - addresses in the blockexplorer do not match the stealth-addresses in the wallets - therefore it is impossible to find Monero address from wallet in the block-explorer, you can't find in the blockexplorer this Monero address from the wallet: 4AYhVqhdEdkNSXT8UFjzAALAg4NMYURUjWdiNZCEzBTbWwkNXo1BTRCZzTcjYYDpdivhSUwG3kPV8hb T7vEzBgKRg4UW2b8z
Why is this happening: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/70v9d7/if_monero_is_private_then_what_is_this_someone/

Bitcoin
You will write your Bitcoin-address here and I will tell you how much money is on it, because Bitcoin is not a privacy. It never hide the IP addresses of their nodes - Bitcoin is not a anonymous: https://bitnodes.earn.com/nodes/

Verge
Verge is allegedly privacy and anonymous coin - IP addresses, Verge-addresses, amounts - not privacy and not anonymous:
http://xvg.keff.org/electrum.php
http://xvg.keff.org/core.php
http://xvg.keff.org/

Monero
Have a public blockchain: https://moneroexplorer.com/tx/84ea5936b2864709fe21ece3be8cb683d356f1f83cb5851ecbd4ee104012c583

Quote

stealth address: b5ada231ffb6e1a83430e038847e91e6d734d6bc58287b4e693f12823732f947
amount: 5.532506139280 XMR

To ensure that uneducated people are not called Monero "isn't privacy coin", its authors have removed a richlist that can exist (these addresses ordered by amounts), because this richlist does not mean anything at all.
Here is the Monero address: 4AYhVqhdEdkNSXT8UFjzAALAg4NMYURUjWdiNZCEzBTbWwkNXo1BTRCZzTcjYYDpdivhSUwG3kPV8hb T7vEzBgKRg4UW2b8z
How much money is there? Can not answer - means Monero is privacy (due stealth addresses).
Also Monero uses Ring-signatures to hide TX-sender - it makes transactions untraceable.
Run the script: https://github.com/DotNetRussell/MoneroUserScraper to obtain the IP addresses "213.114.82.127", "82.161.134.181", "73.150.225.122", ... the Monero wallets and nodes. Those that are constantly located are servers/pools/miners, which occasionally are wallets: https://dotnetrussell.com/index.php/2017/10/21/locating-monero-users-via-transaction-broadcasts/
Found the IP-addresses of members of the network Monero - is not anonymous.

Spectrecoin
Here is my Spectrecoin (XSPEC) Stealth-Address: smYoRN5Kna3jo3eeAnrqoDECzG59WDajtsNZHMGZEaA9sxEYwtQDZUnGBCKM5BmXBVU4K6vKH7b6s4X oNiV7yJB8vDkhzq6HjsfMbp
How much money is there? Can not answer - means that Spectrecion is privacy (due stealth addresses).
What IPs are used by people who use this coin? Can not answer - means that Spectrecion is anonymous (due Tor+OBFS4).
Spectrecoin uses Ring-signatures to hide TX-sender in the same way as Monero - it makes transactions untraceable.

What price and ROI (at how many times will the price rise) is expected if it had a market capitalization as Monero or Verge.
Monero - XSPEC = http://matchcoins.info/?c1=monero&c2=spectrecoin

Quote

Price of XSPEC, when XSPEC market cap reaches XMR market cap
(XMR Market Cap / XSPEC Market Cap * XSPEC price)
XSPEC = $ 257.60 (83.91x of actual XSPEC price)
0.0216251 BTC

Verge - XSPEC = http://matchcoins.info/?c1=verge&c2=spectrecoin

Quote

Price of XSPEC, when XSPEC market cap reaches XVG market cap
(XVG Market Cap / XSPEC Market Cap * XSPEC price)
XSPEC = $ 86.74 (28.25x of actual XSPEC price)
0.0072817 BTC

Other coins: https://hsto.org/webt/ff/fd/c5/fffdc5rsimcwozv65u9v21wwhyo.png

What about ZCLASSIC? Could you please review this project, too? ZenNode concept looks innovative, because it is fair to build a cheap node network if you look at all those overvalued masternode coins out there.

I don't know why but what makes you still believe about the anonymous coin? As long as the currency still pegged to the centralized exchange site and you will never become anonymous.
How the majority of centralized exchange site is giving a mandate to the users to complete their ID verification.

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Disrupt the banking system!

Quote from: AlexeyB on January 19, 2018, 05:37:27 PM

Tell us about your privacy and anonymous coin:
1. Write your stealth-address of the coin you want to talk about (from the wallet, but not from the block-explorer) and ask us to say how much money there is.
2. Write what are the approaches of privacy used in your coins to hide TX sender and receiver: Zero-knowledge proof, Mixing, Ring-signatures, Stealth-addresses, ...
3. Write what are the approaches of anonymity used in your coins to hide users IP: Tor, I2P, OBFS4, ...
4. Using http://matchcoins.info - write what price and ROI (at how many times will the price rise) is expected from your coin if it had a market capitalization as Monero or Verge.
5. Do not use richlist to compare privacy. For example, in the real privacy coin Monero is public blockchain:
https://moneroexplorer.com/tx/84ea5936b2864709fe21ece3be8cb683d356f1f83cb5851ecbd4ee104012c583

Quote

stealth address: b5ada231ffb6e1a83430e038847e91e6d734d6bc58287b4e693f12823732f947
amount: 5.532506139280 XMR

and if you create a richlist by ordering these addresses by the amounts - it's useless list, because richlist doesn't mean anything at all - addresses in the blockexplorer do not match the stealth-addresses in the wallets - therefore it is impossible to find Monero address from wallet in the block-explorer, you can't find in the blockexplorer this Monero address from the wallet: 4AYhVqhdEdkNSXT8UFjzAALAg4NMYURUjWdiNZCEzBTbWwkNXo1BTRCZzTcjYYDpdivhSUwG3kPV8hb T7vEzBgKRg4UW2b8z
Why is this happening: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/70v9d7/if_monero_is_private_then_what_is_this_someone/

Bitcoin
You will write your Bitcoin-address here and I will tell you how much money is on it, because Bitcoin is not a privacy. It never hide the IP addresses of their nodes - Bitcoin is not a anonymous: https://bitnodes.earn.com/nodes/

Verge
Verge is allegedly privacy and anonymous coin - IP addresses, Verge-addresses, amounts - not privacy and not anonymous:
http://xvg.keff.org/electrum.php
http://xvg.keff.org/core.php
http://xvg.keff.org/

Monero
Have a public blockchain: https://moneroexplorer.com/tx/84ea5936b2864709fe21ece3be8cb683d356f1f83cb5851ecbd4ee104012c583

Quote

stealth address: b5ada231ffb6e1a83430e038847e91e6d734d6bc58287b4e693f12823732f947
amount: 5.532506139280 XMR

To ensure that uneducated people are not called Monero "isn't privacy coin", its authors have removed a richlist that can exist (these addresses ordered by amounts), because this richlist does not mean anything at all.
Here is the Monero address: 4AYhVqhdEdkNSXT8UFjzAALAg4NMYURUjWdiNZCEzBTbWwkNXo1BTRCZzTcjYYDpdivhSUwG3kPV8hb T7vEzBgKRg4UW2b8z
How much money is there? Can not answer - means Monero is privacy (due stealth addresses).
Also Monero uses Ring-signatures to hide TX-sender - it makes transactions untraceable.
Run the script: https://github.com/DotNetRussell/MoneroUserScraper to obtain the IP addresses "213.114.82.127", "82.161.134.181", "73.150.225.122", ... the Monero wallets and nodes. Those that are constantly located are servers/pools/miners, which occasionally are wallets: https://dotnetrussell.com/index.php/2017/10/21/locating-monero-users-via-transaction-broadcasts/
Found the IP-addresses of members of the network Monero - is not anonymous.

Spectrecoin
Here is my Spectrecoin (XSPEC) Stealth-Address: smYoRN5Kna3jo3eeAnrqoDECzG59WDajtsNZHMGZEaA9sxEYwtQDZUnGBCKM5BmXBVU4K6vKH7b6s4X oNiV7yJB8vDkhzq6HjsfMbp
How much money is there? Can not answer - means that Spectrecion is privacy (due stealth addresses).
What IPs are used by people who use this coin? Can not answer - means that Spectrecion is anonymous (due Tor+OBFS4).
Spectrecoin uses Ring-signatures to hide TX-sender in the same way as Monero - it makes transactions untraceable.

What price and ROI (at how many times will the price rise) is expected if it had a market capitalization as Monero or Verge.
Monero - XSPEC = http://matchcoins.info/?c1=monero&c2=spectrecoin

Quote

Price of XSPEC, when XSPEC market cap reaches XMR market cap
(XMR Market Cap / XSPEC Market Cap * XSPEC price)
XSPEC = $ 257.60 (83.91x of actual XSPEC price)
0.0216251 BTC

Verge - XSPEC = http://matchcoins.info/?c1=verge&c2=spectrecoin

Quote

Price of XSPEC, when XSPEC market cap reaches XVG market cap
(XVG Market Cap / XSPEC Market Cap * XSPEC price)
XSPEC = $ 86.74 (28.25x of actual XSPEC price)
0.0072817 BTC

Other coins: https://hsto.org/webt/ff/fd/c5/fffdc5rsimcwozv65u9v21wwhyo.png

What about ZCLASSIC? Could you please review this project, too? ZenNode concept looks innovative, because it is fair to build a cheap node network if you look at all those overvalued masternode coins out there.

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I also think that with the current tech Spectrecoin can reach only top-30 at this moment, for example, as Verge (Top 27), why?:
- I compared current thech of Spectrecoin and Verge at the first post
- I compared their current market cap
- Can a coin grow strongly if it is on small exchanges? Yes - as example, a month ago little-known Raiblocks (XRB) was present at the two small exchanges (Bitgrail and Mercatox), had a very simple website, and rose a month 165x times, only due to its excellent tech (delegated PoS and Block lattice) and a good comparison: https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/7iv20r/dag_coin_comparison_byteball_iota_raiblocks_etc/
December 1, 2017 - $ 0.20 with a capitalization of $ 26 million
January 2, 2018 - $ 33 with a capitalization of $ 4 billion

So when Spectrecoin will be Top-30:
Verge - XSPEC = http://matchcoins.info/?c1=verge&c2=spectrecoin

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Price of XSPEC, when XSPEC market cap reaches XVG market cap
(XVG Market Cap / XSPEC Market Cap * XSPEC price)
XSPEC = $ 86.74 (28.25x of actual XSPEC price)
0.0072817 BTC

And Top-10 can be reached if and only when features from the roadmap Q2 2018 will be done:
Monero - XSPEC = http://matchcoins.info/?c1=monero&c2=spectrecoin

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Price of XSPEC, when XSPEC market cap reaches XMR market cap
(XMR Market Cap / XSPEC Market Cap * XSPEC price)
XSPEC = $ 257.60 (83.91x of actual XSPEC price)
0.0216251 BTC

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Quote from: maursader on January 20, 2018, 02:44:51 PM

Quote from: mondeo.96 on January 20, 2018, 02:29:50 PM

GNOSIS - on 100 place on capitalization.
I'm sure that everyone understands that XSPEC will definitely go out at least 25 and even TOP 10 best coins.
This means that soon we will focus on this result ( (GNO Market Cap / XSPEC Market Cap * XSPEC price) :

Code:

Price of XSPEC, when XSPEC market cap reaches GNO market cap
(GNO Market Cap / XSPEC Market Cap * XSPEC price)
XSPEC = $ 14.39 (4.44x of actual XSPEC price)
0.0011071 BTC

TOP10 - EOS = XSPEC = $ 433.88 (133.91x of actual XSPEC price)

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Price of XSPEC, when XSPEC market cap reaches EOS market cap
(EOS Market Cap / XSPEC Market Cap * XSPEC price)
XSPEC = $ 433.88 (133.91x of actual XSPEC price)
0.0333795 BTC

Why do you think that Spectrecoin could reach Top 10 on Coinmarketcap? Could you please describe your thoughts. I am also a fan of the coins, but Top 10 is really hard to reach. As far as I know the dev is now working full time on the coin, but he has not the funds than other coins collected compared to the small amount of funds raised during the ICO.

I'm sure that this coin will get into TOP10( Wallet v2.0 - 2Q 2018 ) for a number of reasons:
1) The developer works full-time, now there are two developers, and they are adults, experienced programmers with vast experience in cryptography and programming.
2) Is the project unique and has a unique job for a year? and functionality that XSPEC does not have in any other project!
3) It is very important that it is a PoSv3 - it guarantees the stability of the network, at the same time between the blocks.
4) In this approach they share my point of view "Anonymity is a set of measures", and here they listen to the attention of every detail. We hide our operations, translations, hide the size of our wallet - we also send our physical address. The project is traded on an anonymous decentralized exchange of BISQ.
5) The project has a wonderful community that discusses and really decides how to move on, what to do. There is no generosity or feedback on money - in this project everyone is telling the truth and only own opinion!

You can check all this yourself, I believe that every smart investor checks the project before investing money in it. I analyzed a lot, studied the market and came to the conclusion that I need to invest in XSPEC.
If you are a figure man, I'll tell you this: I bought coins for more than 120 000$, and they are stored in my wallet. I expect that by the end of the year, I will receive about $ 12,000 from POS if the price is the same. I am sure that this year the price will grow more than 10 times, and by the end of the year my income from PoS will fully return my investments, and my capital will be more than $ 1,000,000 !!!

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Disrupt the banking system!

Quote from: mondeo.96 on January 20, 2018, 02:29:50 PM

GNOSIS - on 100 place on capitalization.
I'm sure that everyone understands that XSPEC will definitely go out at least 25 and even TOP 10 best coins.
This means that soon we will focus on this result ( (GNO Market Cap / XSPEC Market Cap * XSPEC price) :

Code:

Price of XSPEC, when XSPEC market cap reaches GNO market cap
(GNO Market Cap / XSPEC Market Cap * XSPEC price)
XSPEC = $ 14.39 (4.44x of actual XSPEC price)
0.0011071 BTC

TOP10 - EOS = XSPEC = $ 433.88 (133.91x of actual XSPEC price)

Code:

Price of XSPEC, when XSPEC market cap reaches EOS market cap
(EOS Market Cap / XSPEC Market Cap * XSPEC price)
XSPEC = $ 433.88 (133.91x of actual XSPEC price)
0.0333795 BTC

Why do you think that Spectrecoin could reach Top 10 on Coinmarketcap? Could you please describe your thoughts. I am also a fan of the coins, but Top 10 is really hard to reach. As far as I know the dev is now working full time on the coin, but he has not the funds than other coins collected compared to the small amount of funds raised during the ICO.

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GNOSIS - on 100 place on capitalization.
I'm sure that everyone understands that XSPEC will definitely go out at least 25 and even TOP 10 best coins.
This means that soon we will focus on this result ( (GNO Market Cap / XSPEC Market Cap * XSPEC price) :

Code:

Price of XSPEC, when XSPEC market cap reaches GNO market cap
(GNO Market Cap / XSPEC Market Cap * XSPEC price)
XSPEC = $ 14.39 (4.44x of actual XSPEC price)
0.0011071 BTC

TOP10 - EOS = XSPEC = $ 433.88 (133.91x of actual XSPEC price)

Code:

Price of XSPEC, when XSPEC market cap reaches EOS market cap
(EOS Market Cap / XSPEC Market Cap * XSPEC price)
XSPEC = $ 433.88 (133.91x of actual XSPEC price)
0.0333795 BTC

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Good post. Cool comparison.
It becomes clear who declares himself as anonymous coin, and who really is. I'm not a technical specialist, but it's written clearly, in an accessible language. I would like to see other coins in this comparison.

Wow, great analysis. Hope I'll be rich )))

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Quote from: AlexeyB on January 19, 2018, 05:37:27 PM

Tell us about your privacy and anonymous coin:
1. Write your stealth-address of the coin you want to talk about (from the wallet, but not from the block-explorer) and ask us to say how much money there is.
2. Write what are the approaches of privacy used in your coins to hide TX sender and receiver: Zero-knowledge proof, Mixing, Ring-signatures, Stealth-addresses, ...
3. Write what are the approaches of anonymity used in your coins to hide users IP: Tor, I2P, OBFS4, ...
4. Using http://matchcoins.info - write what price and ROI (at how many times will the price rise) is expected from your coin if it had a market capitalization as Monero or Verge.
5. Do not use richlist to compare privacy. For example, in the real privacy coin Monero is public blockchain:
https://moneroexplorer.com/tx/84ea5936b2864709fe21ece3be8cb683d356f1f83cb5851ecbd4ee104012c583

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stealth address: b5ada231ffb6e1a83430e038847e91e6d734d6bc58287b4e693f12823732f947
amount: 5.532506139280 XMR

and if you create a richlist by ordering these addresses by the amounts - it's useless list, because richlist doesn't mean anything at all - addresses in the blockexplorer do not match the stealth-addresses in the wallets - therefore it is impossible to find Monero address from wallet in the block-explorer, you can't find in the blockexplorer this Monero address from the wallet: 4AYhVqhdEdkNSXT8UFjzAALAg4NMYURUjWdiNZCEzBTbWwkNXo1BTRCZzTcjYYDpdivhSUwG3kPV8hb T7vEzBgKRg4UW2b8z
Why is this happening: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/70v9d7/if_monero_is_private_then_what_is_this_someone/

Bitcoin
You will write your Bitcoin-address here and I will tell you how much money is on it, because Bitcoin is not a privacy. It never hide the IP addresses of their nodes - Bitcoin is not a anonymous: https://bitnodes.earn.com/nodes/

Verge
Verge is allegedly privacy and anonymous coin - IP addresses, Verge-addresses, amounts - not privacy and not anonymous:
http://xvg.keff.org/electrum.php
http://xvg.keff.org/core.php
http://xvg.keff.org/

Monero
Have a public blockchain: https://moneroexplorer.com/tx/84ea5936b2864709fe21ece3be8cb683d356f1f83cb5851ecbd4ee104012c583

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stealth address: b5ada231ffb6e1a83430e038847e91e6d734d6bc58287b4e693f12823732f947
amount: 5.532506139280 XMR

To ensure that uneducated people are not called Monero "isn't privacy coin", its authors have removed a richlist that can exist (stealth addresses ordered by amounts), but this richlist does not mean anything at all, because these addresses in the blockexplorer do not match the stealth-addresses in the wallets - therefore it is impossible to find them: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/70v9d7/if_monero_is_private_then_what_is_this_someone/
Here is the Monero address for Donate on the Spectrecoin project: 4AYhVqhdEdkNSXT8UFjzAALAg4NMYURUjWdiNZCEzBTbWwkNXo1BTRCZzTcjYYDpdivhSUwG3kPV8hb T7vEzBgKRg4UW2b8z
How much money is there? Can not answer - means Monero is privacy.
Also Monero uses Ring-signatures to hide TX-sender - it makes transactions untraceable.
Run the script: https://github.com/DotNetRussell/MoneroUserScraper to obtain the IP addresses "213.114.82.127", "82.161.134.181", "73.150.225.122", ... the Monero wallets and nodes. Those that are constantly located are servers/pools/miners, which occasionally are wallets: https://dotnetrussell.com/index.php/2017/10/21/locating-monero-users-via-transaction-broadcasts/
Found the IP-addresses of members of the network Monero - is not anonymous.

Spectrecoin
Here is my Spectrecoin (XSPEC) Stealth-Address: smYoRN5Kna3jo3eeAnrqoDECzG59WDajtsNZHMGZEaA9sxEYwtQDZUnGBCKM5BmXBVU4K6vKH7b6s4X oNiV7yJB8vDkhzq6HjsfMbp
How much money is there? Can not answer - means that Spectrecion is privacy.
What IPs are used by people who use this coin? Can not answer - means that Spectrecion is anonymous.
Spectrecoin uses Ring-signatures to hide TX-sender in the same way as Monero - it makes transactions untraceable.

What price and ROI (at how many times will the price rise) is expected if it had a market capitalization as Monero or Verge.
Monero - XSPEC = http://matchcoins.info/?c1=monero&c2=spectrecoin

Quote

Price of XSPEC, when XSPEC market cap reaches XMR market cap
(XMR Market Cap / XSPEC Market Cap * XSPEC price)
XSPEC = $ 257.60 (83.91x of actual XSPEC price)
0.0216251 BTC

Verge - XSPEC = http://matchcoins.info/?c1=verge&c2=spectrecoin

Quote

Price of XSPEC, when XSPEC market cap reaches XVG market cap
(XVG Market Cap / XSPEC Market Cap * XSPEC price)
XSPEC = $ 86.74 (28.25x of actual XSPEC price)
0.0072817 BTC

Other coins: https://hsto.org/webt/ff/fd/c5/fffdc5rsimcwozv65u9v21wwhyo.png

Uniquely XSPEC the best!

People are already beginning to understand that you need to buy in my opinion the best coin of personal privacy with a small capitalization.
I analyzed the news and I see that the development is active, a new version of the wallet was recently released.

Look at these figures - XSPEC = $ 290.77 (91.73x of actual XSPEC price)

Code:

Price of XSPEC, when XSPEC market cap reaches XMR market cap
(XMR Market Cap / XSPEC Market Cap * XSPEC price)
XSPEC = $ 290.77 (91.73x of actual XSPEC price)
0.0229914 BTC

Any smart person who now bought 1000 coins, after a while, when the capitalization of XSPEC will reach the capitalization of Monero - will be able to buy a new big house and a car, and put the rest of the money in the bank for a deposit !!!

I'm very glad that there is such a project!

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Quote from: Denamen on January 19, 2018, 09:36:39 PM

for me if you have enough skill any coin can be anonymous. Cheesy

Tumblers aren't enough to cover your tracks. There are ways though, but they run up quite the transaction fees among other costs.

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everything is semi-anonym.
so no matter what coin it is,
it will not change the fact that everything has their own weakness.
some coin using a TOR integerated in their network but they can not hide the transaction.
and others.

but my favorite is Bitcoin,

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Quote from: sister1001 on January 19, 2018, 09:28:53 PM

I think deep onion has the main technical characteristics of the perfectly anonymous coins. It includes all the specs mentioned in your list if I am not wrong. It does need a certain strategy as "business".

Please, write your deep onion address.
You can check here any tech specs for different coins: https://hsto.org/webt/ff/fd/c5/fffdc5rsimcwozv65u9v21wwhyo.png

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Chainjoes.com

for me if you have enough skill any coin can be anonymous. Cheesy

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I think deep onion has the main technical characteristics of the perfectly anonymous coins. It includes all the specs mentioned in your list if I am not wrong. It does need a certain strategy as "business".

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For all that I read, news, tech, and my friends... In my opinion:
Spectrecoin
Zcash

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Tell us about your privacy and anonymous coin:
1. Write your stealth-address of the coin you want to talk about (from the wallet, but not from the block-explorer) and ask us to say how much money there is.
2. Write what are the approaches of privacy used in your coins to hide TX sender and receiver: Zero-knowledge proof, Mixing, Ring-signatures, Stealth-addresses, ...
3. Write what are the approaches of anonymity used in your coins to hide users IP: Tor, I2P, OBFS4, ...
4. Using http://matchcoins.info - write what price and ROI (at how many times will the price rise) is expected from your coin if it had a market capitalization as Monero or Verge.
5. Do not use richlist to compare privacy. For example, in the real privacy coin Monero is public blockchain:
https://moneroexplorer.com/tx/84ea5936b2864709fe21ece3be8cb683d356f1f83cb5851ecbd4ee104012c583

Quote

stealth address: b5ada231ffb6e1a83430e038847e91e6d734d6bc58287b4e693f12823732f947
amount: 5.532506139280 XMR

and if you create a richlist by ordering these addresses by the amounts - it's useless list, because richlist doesn't mean anything at all - addresses in the blockexplorer do not match the stealth-addresses in the wallets - therefore it is impossible to find Monero address from wallet in the block-explorer, you can't find in the blockexplorer this Monero address from the wallet: 4AYhVqhdEdkNSXT8UFjzAALAg4NMYURUjWdiNZCEzBTbWwkNXo1BTRCZzTcjYYDpdivhSUwG3kPV8hb T7vEzBgKRg4UW2b8z
Why is this happening: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/70v9d7/if_monero_is_private_then_what_is_this_someone/

Bitcoin
You will write your Bitcoin-address here and I will tell you how much money is on it, because Bitcoin is not a privacy. It never hide the IP addresses of their nodes - Bitcoin is not a anonymous: https://bitnodes.earn.com/nodes/

Verge
Verge is allegedly privacy and anonymous coin - IP addresses, Verge-addresses, amounts - not privacy and not anonymous:
http://xvg.keff.org/electrum.php
http://xvg.keff.org/core.php
http://xvg.keff.org/

Monero
Have a public blockchain: https://moneroexplorer.com/tx/84ea5936b2864709fe21ece3be8cb683d356f1f83cb5851ecbd4ee104012c583

Quote

stealth address: b5ada231ffb6e1a83430e038847e91e6d734d6bc58287b4e693f12823732f947
amount: 5.532506139280 XMR

To ensure that uneducated people are not called Monero "isn't privacy coin", its authors have removed a richlist that can exist (these addresses ordered by amounts), because this richlist does not mean anything at all.
Here is the Monero address: 4AYhVqhdEdkNSXT8UFjzAALAg4NMYURUjWdiNZCEzBTbWwkNXo1BTRCZzTcjYYDpdivhSUwG3kPV8hb T7vEzBgKRg4UW2b8z
How much money is there? Can not answer - means Monero is privacy (due stealth addresses).
Also Monero uses Ring-signatures to hide TX-sender - it makes transactions untraceable.
Run the script: https://github.com/DotNetRussell/MoneroUserScraper to obtain the IP addresses "213.114.82.127", "82.161.134.181", "73.150.225.122", ... the Monero wallets and nodes. Those that are constantly located are servers/pools/miners, which occasionally are wallets: https://dotnetrussell.com/index.php/2017/10/21/locating-monero-users-via-transaction-broadcasts/
Found the IP-addresses of members of the network Monero - is not anonymous.

Spectrecoin
Here is my Spectrecoin (XSPEC) Stealth-Address: smYoRN5Kna3jo3eeAnrqoDECzG59WDajtsNZHMGZEaA9sxEYwtQDZUnGBCKM5BmXBVU4K6vKH7b6s4X oNiV7yJB8vDkhzq6HjsfMbp
How much money is there? Can not answer - means that Spectrecion is privacy (due stealth addresses).
What IPs are used by people who use this coin? Can not answer - means that Spectrecion is anonymous (due Tor+OBFS4).
Spectrecoin uses Ring-signatures to hide TX-sender in the same way as Monero - it makes transactions untraceable.

What price and ROI (at how many times will the price rise) is expected if it had a market capitalization as Monero or Verge.
Monero - XSPEC = http://matchcoins.info/?c1=monero&c2=spectrecoin

Quote

Price of XSPEC, when XSPEC market cap reaches XMR market cap
(XMR Market Cap / XSPEC Market Cap * XSPEC price)
XSPEC = $ 257.60 (83.91x of actual XSPEC price)
0.0216251 BTC

Verge - XSPEC = http://matchcoins.info/?c1=verge&c2=spectrecoin

Quote

Price of XSPEC, when XSPEC market cap reaches XVG market cap
(XVG Market Cap / XSPEC Market Cap * XSPEC price)
XSPEC = $ 86.74 (28.25x of actual XSPEC price)
0.0072817 BTC

Other coins: https://hsto.org/webt/ff/fd/c5/fffdc5rsimcwozv65u9v21wwhyo.png

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