Which country will be next to alight from the sinking EU ship?

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I think Turkey will be the next country to leave. Once they realise that they can't continue to get money for nothing, then they will be off.

No turkey would not be out of the European Union, they are very good territory for terrorist can enter the territory of europe by pretending to be refugees.

I heard from some news report how the Brexit was actually inspired by Turkey's plan to move out of the union. Well this I just heard from a friend so I won't be surprised if it's not reliable at all.

Turkey isn't IN the European Union! The fear was they might join (they've started informal talks because Merkel is buttering them up due to the migrant crisis)

yes they can also join EU infact at the end you will see that so many countries have joined the EU. i think this is the most best option and opportunity with them to make their position strong after become the EU alies.

Doubt they will be allowed to join. Maybe some day but not any time soon. And not while juncker is around. Dialogue between eu and turkey has been going on for decades. With only some progress. Some countries don't like the idea of turkey in the eu like germany, greece, etc. There is some popular opposition to it too. And fears of more migrants, difficulties integrating a large country with a large economy, cultural differences, turkey cracking down on press and free speech, move away from a secular democracry, human rights violations, etc.

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I think Turkey will be the next country to leave. Once they realise that they can't continue to get money for nothing, then they will be off.

No turkey would not be out of the European Union, they are very good territory for terrorist can enter the territory of europe by pretending to be refugees.

I heard from some news report how the Brexit was actually inspired by Turkey's plan to move out of the union. Well this I just heard from a friend so I won't be surprised if it's not reliable at all.

Turkey isn't IN the European Union! The fear was they might join (they've started informal talks because Merkel is buttering them up due to the migrant crisis)

yes they can also join EU infact at the end you will see that so many countries have joined the EU. i think this is the most best option and opportunity with them to make their position strong after become the EU alies.

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For the refugee crisis turkey is getting money and maybe visa freedom although the last is right now not possible (atlesst that is what german news are writing), because there were several political difficulties in turkey that prevents it.

And this played a big part in the NO vote - for example some Ford Transit factories were closed in the UK and relocated to Turkey to take advantage of Merkel's EU subsidy for businesses that relocated there.

People thought wow, Britain is a net contributor, so some of that subsidy money is ours, and it is being used to move jobs to Turkey to sort out Merkel's migrant mess. It tipped the vote in those areas like Southampton.

Turkey first tried to join the EU more than 40 years ago, and the free trade agreement is also very old. Frau Merkel wasn't yet in politics. I remember De Gaulle, a former french president. He vetoed twice the entry of the UK into the EU, and he also blocked Turkey. But that was a long time ago, at a time when there were leaders with some insight. Those days are gone.

im talking about the member negotiations for the EU that started around the year 2000.
Turkey tried to join the EEC since 1959 which didnt happened.

Btw. i just found out that Norway actually pays per capita as much as the UK does to the EU.

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For the refugee crisis turkey is getting money and maybe visa freedom although the last is right now not possible (atlesst that is what german news are writing), because there were several political difficulties in turkey that prevents it.

And this played a big part in the NO vote - for example some Ford Transit factories were closed in the UK and relocated to Turkey to take advantage of Merkel's EU subsidy for businesses that relocated there.

People thought wow, Britain is a net contributor, so some of that subsidy money is ours, and it is being used to move jobs to Turkey to sort out Merkel's migrant mess. It tipped the vote in those areas like Southampton.

Turkey first tried to join the EU more than 40 years ago, and the free trade agreement is also very old. Frau Merkel wasn't yet in politics. I remember De Gaulle, a former french president. He vetoed twice the entry of the UK into the EU, and he also blocked Turkey. But that was a long time ago, at a time when there were leaders with some insight. Those days are gone.

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Quote from: criptix on June 29, 2016, 02:26:53 PM

For the refugee crisis turkey is getting money and maybe visa freedom although the last is right now not possible (atlesst that is what german news are writing), because there were several political difficulties in turkey that prevents it.

And this played a big part in the NO vote - for example some Ford Transit factories were closed in the UK and relocated to Turkey to take advantage of Merkel's EU subsidy for businesses that relocated there.

People thought wow, Britain is a net contributor, so some of that subsidy money is ours, and it is being used to move jobs to Turkey to sort out Merkel's migrant mess. It tipped the vote in those areas like Southampton.

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The talks for turkey to join the EU started before Merkel was germam chancellor.

The funny part: Merkel actually prevented turkey joining the EU and ensured they would get only a privileged partnership when she got voted in as the german chancellor.

For the refugee crisis turkey is getting money and maybe visa freedom although the last is right now not possible (atlesst that is what german news are writing), because there were several political difficulties in turkey that prevents it.

( visa freedom is coupled to several things)

Interesting that merkel was always an enemy of an EU with turkey right?

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I think Turkey will be the next country to leave. Once they realise that they can't continue to get money for nothing, then they will be off.

No turkey would not be out of the European Union, they are very good territory for terrorist can enter the territory of europe by pretending to be refugees.

I heard from some news report how the Brexit was actually inspired by Turkey's plan to move out of the union. Well this I just heard from a friend so I won't be surprised if it's not reliable at all.

Turkey isn't IN the European Union! The fear was they might join (they've started informal talks because Merkel is buttering them up due to the migrant crisis)

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I think Turkey will be the next country to leave. Once they realise that they can't continue to get money for nothing, then they will be off.

No turkey would not be out of the European Union, they are very good territory for terrorist can enter the territory of europe by pretending to be refugees.

I heard from some news report how the Brexit was actually inspired by Turkey's plan to move out of the union. Well this I just heard from a friend so I won't be surprised if it's not reliable at all.

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Quote from: Jet Cash on June 25, 2016, 04:49:45 AM

I think Turkey will be the next country to leave. Once they realise that they can't continue to get money for nothing, then they will be off.

No turkey would not be out of the European Union, they are very good territory for terrorist can enter the territory of europe by pretending to be refugees.

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Quote from: romero121 on June 28, 2016, 12:44:08 PM

Possibly France might be planning to make initiation to leave, but it won't happen soon.

Although the majority of the public is in favor of Frexit, the mainstream parties remain opposed to it (only the extreme-right and the extreme-left are in favor). They will never allow a referendum, a la the one held in the United Kingdom. So unless Marine Le Pen becomes the president of France, there is no chance for a Frexit.

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I haven't voted as I haven't found the "NONE" option.

The EU will live forever. France is between Spain and Germany, and Italy is between France and Slovenia. This is not going to change, and there are thousands of Europeans living in one country while working in another. Plenty of things might change, but there will always be millions crossing borders everyday, to work, to trade or for fun, so there will always be a need for "neighborhood relations". The EU is the best place to organize that.

I'm surprised 4 chose France. My experience is that at least one quarter of the French people are subhumans who would unable to stand without state support. France would simply collapse if it weren't under the strong umbrella of Germany.

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It might be the case that the people who voted for Brexit, after seeing the results of their decision, might actually want there to be another vote. With Scotland pushing for independence and all of the economic consequences, those people might want the UK to remain in the EU. The Brexit vote could actually strengthen the EU, and become a deterrent for other countries that might be thinking about exiting.

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Possibly France might be planning to make initiation to leave, but it won't happen soon.

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Despite some problems, EU is ultimately a good thing and I find it surprising how little liked it is on this forum.

Why? Please add some arguments.

Free movement is a good thing.
Defense union is a good thing.
A single currency is a good thing.
Investments into projects that will bring net positive result is a good thing.

To be fair some people will say that those are bad things, but I like that I can freely move among the countries in the union. I like that I can use one currency in those countries. I like that if my country was attacked tomorrow the full might of europe would descend on Russia (sorry stupid joke, but Russia is basically the only entity that has a slim chance of attacking).

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Quote from: Tanic on June 28, 2016, 08:38:44 AM

I'm agree that for now it's hard to make any prediction about which country will decide to off the European Union next. It has to past some time to see how it's gonna be in Britain, maybe if this out will bring more positive results for Britain - someone else will decide to leave the Union.

Yes, I think they'll all be watching, which is why the UK has to stay strong and make Brexit work. Once we've shown it can be a success, the floodgates will open.

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I voted for Belgium, because of those terrorist attacks. I guess it's enough of these problems with immigrants for them and people pretending to be immigrants and actually being terrorists.
However, if Belgium quits, is there going to be EU?

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I'm agree that for now it's hard to make any prediction about which country will decide to off the European Union next. It has to past some time to see how it's gonna be in Britain, maybe if this out will bring more positive results for Britain - someone else will decide to leave the Union.

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Main European indices 2 days after Brexit:

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god willing france if le pen gets in

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Quote from: greycrasan on June 28, 2016, 06:33:38 AM

Despite some problems, EU is ultimately a good thing and I find it surprising how little liked it is on this forum.

Why? Please add some arguments.

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Despite some problems, EU is ultimately a good thing and I find it surprising how little liked it is on this forum.

Ultimately it will depend on how UK ends up. No one will want to leave if they see them suffering economically for it.

Besides the whole immigration crysis thing won't last forever and calmer heads should prevail when it becomes less of a problem.

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I voted for Italy.

Their economy has literally not grown since 1999 when they joined the euro. They have elections next year and the Five Star Movement which aims to take them out of the EU and euro looks to win. (Five star won the majorship of Rome recently).

The EU is basically just not working for Italy and they need to jump ship to survive, or resign themselves to dying within the EU. They still have some life in them, so i predict they will jump.

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Whichever country it is they better do it quickly whilst they can

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3662827/Has-Britain-avoided-European-superstate-France-Germany-draw-plans-morph-EU-countries-one-control-members-armies-economies.html

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i think the ship of EU will never sink. it will float like a ship all the time. in future you will see so many other countries who will join and make alien with EU. it is the best time for the little independent state to be Allie of EU.

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Quote from: designerusa on June 26, 2016, 03:17:43 AM

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So who's next in line for an ...exit?

according to me, no country will dare to leave european union because of seeing united kingdom's ruin. british people have made their worst decision. for that reason, other european countries want to stay in the union. they dont want to lose their wellness and life quality.

Stop that garbage talk

After turbulence UK golden age will begin.

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Quote from: designerusa on June 26, 2016, 03:17:43 AM

Quote from: Buffer Overflow on June 24, 2016, 03:58:49 PM

So who's next in line for an ...exit?

according to me, no country will dare to leave european union because of seeing united kingdom's ruin. british people have made their worst decision. for that reason, other european countries want to stay in the union. they dont want to lose their wellness and life quality.

What anextraordinary post. It is obvious to all that the EU was ruining Britain ( with the help of the bankers and the government). We've got rid of the EU, the government is changing, and the world of banking is collapsing. So it looks as if Britain is going to join the few countries that are expanding and improving the living standards of their citizens.

I gather that 25% of US citizens have a net worth of under $100. That's really sad for a country that purports to be rich, and is trying to change the politics of the rest of the world.

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Quote from: Buffer Overflow on June 24, 2016, 03:58:49 PM

So who's next in line for an ...exit?

according to me, no country will dare to leave european union because of seeing united kingdom's ruin. british people have made their worst decision. for that reason, other european countries want to stay in the union. they dont want to lose their wellness and life quality.

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Maybe france. Especially if national front does well in the elections next year.

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In the first hours of brexit around 170 billion pound got burned through falling stocks and currency.

It is over $2 trillion worldwide now.

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France is struggling to get reasonable 40 hour weeks with optional overtime into law - at times it can be laughable.

Meanwhile sweden is testing 30 hour weeks. With some success too. Higher productivity, happier employees, etc. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/21/business/international/in-sweden-an-experiment-turns-shorter-workdays-into-bigger-gains.html?_r=0

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It is going to be either France or Greece. The French are even more Eurosceptic, when compared to the Brits. Take a look at this:

The big question is, what will the parasites (Poland, Romania, Bulgaria.etc) do, if all of the donor nations pull out of the European Union?

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Quote from: Jet Cash on June 25, 2016, 04:49:45 AM

I think Turkey will be the next country to leave. Once they realise that they can't continue to get money for nothing, then they will be off.

I would be willing to stick a 100 bitcoin bet on Turkey not being next to leave the EU.

...considering they arent even in the EU Roll Eyes

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Quote from: mOgliE on June 25, 2016, 07:22:40 AM

I just hope that France will never be dumb enough for voting leave... But if Germany or France leave, EU no longer exist that's as simple as that.

The French aren't dumb, they told the US to poke their sanctions against Russia, and they are already looking at leaving I understand.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on June 25, 2016, 04:40:46 AM

I heard that in Czech parliament there are already initiative for similar referendum, for leaving from EU.
In Germany, if Merkel loose next parliament election and radical right party win, we will probably see such referendum in Germany as well.
It's the same situation in Netherlands and France.
In Croatia, my country, only minor party right now demanding such referendum so it's not likely that we will have such referendum in the near future.

I just hope that France will never be dumb enough for voting leave... But if Germany or France leave, EU no longer exist that's as simple as that.

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I think Turkey will be the next country to leave. Once they realise that they can't continue to get money for nothing, then they will be off.

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I heard that in Czech parliament there are already initiative for similar referendum, for leaving from EU.
In Germany, if Merkel loose next parliament election and radical right party win, we will probably see such referendum in Germany as well.
It's the same situation in Netherlands and France.
In Croatia, my country, only minor party right now demanding such referendum so it's not likely that we will have such referendum in the near future.

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A lower pound will help our exports, and allow us to grow again.

One of the reasons the EU was created was to allow Germany to use a devalued currency to increase exports. China kept the Riminbi low by selling Yuan and buying dollars. I hope the UK government doesn't allow Sterling to rise.

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The EU will have to make an exit look difficult to retain the remaining members. Any country using the Euro currency will naturally have a stronger bond and if they can make the politics work fairly it will continue to develop. They still need to get their southern borders under control and fix stuff like Greek debt before they can move on. France is struggling to get reasonable 40 hour weeks with optional overtime into law - at times it can be laughable.

For the security of Europe, they are better off together but it can take generations to weed out corruption that got ingrained by previous cultural influences.

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People will wait and see how the UK will develop. In the case of a drowning UK i doubt anybody would do the same.

In the first hours of brexit around 170 billion pound got burned through falling stocks and currency.

BoE already declared to help out banks and corporations with atleast 250 billion.

EU negotiations will be bloody too. I see a grim future for the UK.

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So who's next in line for an ...exit?

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