Topic: Which is better to invest in copy trading or bot (Read 626 times)

very interesting, investing in yourself is better than both. with us being able to trade with our personal abilities then that is the highest investment, and of course using bots can help our trading but after we have mastered the science of manual trading, even though using bots, of course we control it ourselves, and aim only to be helpful, because we are of course know the characteristics of the bot and know when it can be used to assist trading, because not all conditions are suitable for using bots, don't let us completely rely on bots to trade

I agree with that as we can't just rely on this strategy forever but for starters, this would help them to know about trading. I consider them as a stepping stone to growing our knowledge and skills, and our experience would be used to be getting along and continue our trading journey with them. I'd see no success from this but believing in ourselves make it possible. In fact, many pro traders haven't done this, maybe it never exists before but for sure, they are confident when doing it by themselves rather than using bots.

Instead of learning the basics of trading and thus learning how to trade on your own, you are trying to shift the work to others. Are you so sure that the leading trader you will follow will never make mistakes and will earn a lot of money for you that you are willing to spend $4k on this experiment?

If you ask me, its better to invest in yourself. Copy trading and bots are just temporary means to survive in trading, if you rely them for good, aside that you will not grow as a trader, your money will also be put at a high risk. If there is a good alternative for that, then just focus on self-trading. Know that trading is a battle of minds and emotions, so that will be a great challenge for you to be a successful trader in the making.

Sorry but the question is a bit confusing or I don't understand it.
Do you wish to trade using copy trading or bots?
Or just buy Bitcoins and invest for the long term?

If it is for daily trading, then both of them are actually helpful. Whether it will be more effective, it will also depend on your understanding of setting up and trading strategies with the help of both. If it's copy trading, make sure that you really find copy trading that is very suitable and accurate. But on the other hand, I think both copy trading and the help of bots are only tools, it doesn't mean that you will be safe and clam in trading activities with use one of them. You must first learn and understand what trading is and how strong mental control is. Because trading is high risk.

But if what you mean is investing in Bitcoin, especially for the long term, you don't need both. You just have to buy 4k of your Bitcoin money and save it in your personal wallet. Wait until the market turns good and set the price according to the target. Or if you want to fulfill it in the bullish era later, that would be even better.

I think it depends. If the trader that you copy is pro and is profitable then it's obviously better than a bot but if it isn't and a trading bot is much profitable then a bot is a better option. The only difference is a bot can be modified and we can insert our own strategy here while copying traders can't be commanded so I think I will go with the bot and the good thing about them is that you can use them for free.

If you know how to use a both and you have your own strategy, I think that you won't also do copy trading because you can believe more on your ability more than them and for you, it's fine if you will lose. You will still be proud of your self because you did your best.

Actually none since both of them are unreliable. You can be lucky and be profitable but it will only take short time and lose all your funds like a thin air. So I cannot suggest using them both in trading. Instead, do your best to learn trading on your own. Learn all the basics in trading and trade if you have the resources to trade. Your experience will always be your best teacher, regardless of how often your fail or lose in your initial trades. In the end, what you’ll see is a great and successful trader, not a trader who’s dependent on others to make them profits.

The only natural way to earn through trading is taking time to learn trading yourself. If you learn and understand trading, and also apply your strategy, even when you lose the trade, you will be satisfied that you have done your best and it is just a bad market. This cannot be applicable when you lost through copy trade or bot. You will be sad because you didn't only lose your trading capital, you also lost the money used to acquire the bot or used to pay for the copy trading.

The best to do is to know how to trade and also try out the bots and copy trades when you are so much occupied. The whole system is connected for good if you know the process.

Both can be very risky it is better to learn trading by yourself, been a part of copy trading and I can say it is not as profitable as advertised same goes for trading bots. The best advice is to learn and master it by yourself that way you will pick the best set up to  trade , manage your risk and maintain  consistency .

Both are not the best choice. Many say that they are both the same, and I agree with that. This is not the best choice of action to take while entering trading. Doing it yourself will give you an advantage and more control over every trade. You can manage your risks and get a better understanding of the market. This will come in handy when these services will be unavailable. These copy trading and bot trading will not work 100% accurately and everyone makes a loss now and then. So when you do it on your own, you learn while making profits. You acquire skills and experience.

If you keep this in mind and follow the path that you create, you will reach your goal quickly. In the future, you will not need help from others. You will be able to do it on your own. Don't take shortcuts. Success does not include shortcuts. Use those indicators/copy trading or bot trading as a way to learn. You can compare your analysis with theirs and fix or improve your skills. That's how it should be. Don't rely on something that you have no control over.

Everyone already gave it the answer

but here I am will give you a choice to try both copy trading and bot, wise man says that experience is a good teacher so try both of them with small amount of your money like 100$ for copy trade and 100$ for bot on same week and stop it at the same time too.

Find what suitable for you and secondly also learn how to trade and test it yourself

When comparing copy trading to bot trading, copy trading is better than a bot, the reason is that before you can copy the trader you have the ability to veriy from the platform which I'm using the historical trading performance of the trader, the fund he/she manages, and how many people are copying his/her trade. This will help you have the opportunity to decide if you would copy or not.

for both i would suggest you to choose copytrading because copytrading is human work, unlike bots which are programmed with algorithms.  Apart from that, you also need to pay attention to preparing more funds when doing copy trading so that you don't run out of capital because usually the trader capital that you copy will be different from what you have.

slightly deviated from your topic, i strongly advise you not to depend on both because it will be better for you when you can decide what you do when trading independently, you can also make copy trading or bots just a consideration, like your trading assistant  but the final decision must be made by you alone, not copy trading or bots.

Better stick with MANUAL TRADE!

Why? If we do speak about copy trading then its not something that you could guarantee profits on following someone and same goes for bot trading too on which its not something that will really bring out profits on
constant basis and if you do have this kind of mindset and belief then its really that wrong to have which nothing beats out if you do make out manual trades if you do have that $4k which is something that would be big for most people in speaking about trading capital since not all would really be able to do such thing when it comes to that amount.

Also, you cant really be making yourself to be a better trader if you are really just relying on this method because everything on automation and not something that could make you learn even with the basics.
Plus even operating or modding some bot then since you do lack knowledge then it would be leading into disaster. Presets? you cant really be able to be so sure that it would be effective.
Which ever way you would really be seeing then it would really be needing that sufficient knowledge and skills on making yourself that sustainable.

Both are not recommended from my knowledge,make your own strategy based on the past flow chart of that coin.Don’t invest the full money into the bitcoin itself,their are lot of good project like Ethereum,XRP,ADA and Matic.So split your money in to ten different parts,then invest your money into the ten parts in ten different coins.First choose the project which survive over a couple of years,because it had huge number of investors.So they won’t allow the ship to get into the sea,the long existing project will give huge profits at any time.

Given only those two options, I would prefer utilizing a bot. This is because I encounter certain predicaments when engaging in copy trading, which inevitably involves my emotions.

In contrast, employing a bot for trading absolves one from the need to constantly monitor current prices or make tomorrow's predictions. It is an exceptionally convenient approach for individuals blessed with disposable income. Nonetheless, it is imperative to ensure that the bot possesses an impeccable security reputation, as one certainly wouldn't want their assets vanishing due to placing unwavering trust in such a facility.

If presented with alternatives beyond the aforementioned, I lean towards opting for long-term investments. With a sum of 4k at my disposal, it would be substantial enough to procure several promising coins and await opportune bullish moments to sell them at higher prices.

Trading bots shouldn't even be marketed as a way to make a profit, it should be marketed as doing what you ask it to do, which it does perfectly I agree with that but that's not the perfect way to trade. You tell it to buy when X indicator hits Y, and sell it when A indicator hits B, and that's it, it does that 7/24 nonstop with maybe 100 pairs if you want it to and that's how it trades. You told it something, it did it, that's it.

Doesn't mean that what you told the bot to do was a good thing, maybe it was a terrible strategy and you will lose money, or maybe it was a good strategy but it didn't had anything coming back for it. So in the end, you face the reality that trading bot is not a good way to make a profit, it's just an employee you have, a good one that follows orders, but sometimes orders are bad.

If you already have trading knowledge and using bots is recommended, as it will help you a lot and save you time. But I don't understand the benefit of copy trading and what can we learn from copying. I just found that copying trades just make us lazier, and we have a mindset of relying on others rather than doing everything ourselves. It is not learning or will be good in the long run, especially newbies, the more lazy they become. I am really against the idea of copying trades or trading based on other people's signals.

I have to admit it myself: I really sucks at trading whether it can be crypto, forex or whatever. I just could not make up my mind to fully grasp the technical analysis needed on this aspect...and I am sure there can be also many people like me who might want to avoid the necessary learning curve and just opt for some shortcuts like copy trading offer or a bot. And those are indeed so risky. One should not adopt the idea that one has just to sleep and let a program works for his advantage as this can be the best and sure way to perdition. Be careful, always.

None of the above!

It would be best if you do make yourself do manual trades rather than on considering yourself about automation and following someone with your trading handsfree. Its not really worth the risk and the money
would be spent out. If i were you and if you are a complete newbie then make use at least $500 or lesser and try out to do your trading for yourself and try out to learn up things along the way.
Target out on being able to avoid severe errors and mistakes until you would be finding out yourself that effective or having the progress. This is the time that you would consider on making use of other
money or capital you do have earlier on the time that you do see that you would be needing to expand out your capital to have bigger position.

^In short, copy trading is beneficial for inexperienced traders who want to participate in the financial markets by replicating the trades of successful traders. It offers accessibility, a learning opportunity, and the ability to diversify portfolios. While trading bots provide automation, efficiency, and the ability to operate 24/7, making them suitable for those seeking a more hands-off approach. They can execute trades swiftly, backtest strategies, and operate even when you're not actively involved. The choice between copy trading and using a trading bot depends on our preferences and what level of trading knowledge we have.

I am not able to select either option. I have no prior interest or familiarity with bot or copy trading, although I have heard about both concepts. Drawing from my own experience, I would suggest focusing on expanding your knowledge instead of opting for copy trading or using bots. This is because both bots and copy trading have their limitations, as they require you to follow someone else's decisions and may not allow you to make real-time choices based on the current situation. If your goal is to generate a substantial income, it would be beneficial to invest your efforts in learning as much as possible.

I doubt the OP will want to take that route as that would mean they will have to make a lot of effort to reach their goals, and it is obvious from their short post that is precisely what they want to avoid, in my opinion copy trading is not an option at all as I am not going to blindly follow the strategy of a stranger without knowing exactly why they are doing what the are going, now a bot could be an option but only for those which are expert traders and they are ready to automate their strategy.

Isn't copy trading and a bot almost the same thing? If you are going to copy trade, you are going to use a bot anyway.

But yeah, none of them is the best option to invest in. You should learn how to trade by yourself. Those copy trading can never guarantee you profit and one mistake, you end up losing everything. And I am not sure what you mean by investing in a bot. A bot with trading strategies? Still has no guarantee to give you profit and the bot might mess up leaving you with nothing. Also, don't trust third party bots. You never know what those bots can do. The next day you will see that you have nothing on your account and everything stolen.

I never even attempted to use bots when I was day trading back then. Not really bashing those who use it or even do copy trades, since it's to each on their own ways anyway and it's their money that they're risking not ours.

Bots might be "somehow" helpful in helping the traders themselves decide still, but they shouldn't purely rely on them. See how many AIs out there tend to do only what they were programmed to do, yeah that's going to limit you if you're solely going to rely on it only.

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This isn't to say that AI won't get better.

Bitcoin is only considered safer than altcoin investments, but to say it is very safe to put our full trust in it is a mistake. Even gold, which is thousands of years old, has no guarantee of absolute safety, so a fledgling and volatile asset like bitcoin cannot be a safe asset. As I said above, once money is used to create money, there is always a risk, there is no asset that only brings profit without risk.

Depending and relying on others has never been a sustainable way to make money. And you are right, newbies will never believe what we are saying, they will still come to those trading signals. Only when they experience losses with those signals, they really remember our advice.

Trading's flaws frustrate me too. Isnt it like blindfolded minefield walking? Trading bots and self-proclaimed experts preying on the naive can make one long for simpler times without digital distractions.

Trading is art and science. Academic theories are limited. Emotions, instincts, and gut sentiments can tip the balances. Trading bots and miraculous strategies just systematise the unpredictable.

Philosophically, patience pays. "Hodling" coins for years through market turbulence has traditionally delivered large gains. However, there's more. Serious crypto investors must brace for downturns and long winters. Sustainable growth requires creativity and new investment opportunities.

you should not trust and depend on other people to trade, this is the worst mistake that a person should not make, just think about the following: if someone has a magic formula to make money with trade, then why would that person waste their time giving signals, courses or asking other people for money or selling your way of trading? it just doesn't make any sense, now think the same about bots, if a person is able to create a bot that generates profit in the trade market, then that person would be rich and would not sell his bot, even a poor country like mine country would buy this bot and get us out of poverty, can you see where I'm going? it is obvious that these bots are useless

you will just waste your time and money if you use these bots, do you want to profit in this cryptocurrency market? if yes, then do what everyone who makes big profits has done: buy and hold for many years until you get 2x or 3x profits, look for example to invest in savings, you leave your money in the bank for a year and not you can make 5% profit, but you buy bitcoin and do hodl for 1 year and you can make a profit above 2x, of course sometimes you have to wait more than 1 year, but it still becomes a much more profitable and safer investment

This thread should be moved to the trading discussion board so as to help you get more good response to your question.
Personally I'm not a fan of trading bots because there are  more cases of losses than that of copy trading and I think copy trading has more advantage than bot as there are options to choose from best trader of our choice based on their records and history which I think not wouldn't give you that option.

Funny enough, I don't see any reason wanting to bother myself of stress my brain if I'm getting g the desired result I want from copy trading 🤔
I don't mind using this as a life time strategy as long as it gives me the result I so desire.

Copy trading is good for beginners who are just in the stage of learning and finding ideas but this should not be a lifetime strategy as we need to stand and make our own in order to become successful.

While using BOT in trading is just like we are copying ourselves into this technology and applying what we are doing. Having a good setup will work fine but if you are just a newbie, this will never works instead, this is the reason why you fail.

If we wanted to grow and improve our knowledge and skill, do everything in actuality and stop relying on others.

I can't say there is a definitive answer as to which is the better option. Both can be highly efficient if properly harnessed, only be sure to consider your risk tolerance, time and expertise. Copy trading may be better for beginners because bot trading is more accessible for experienced traders with programming skills; however most innovative bot trading now integrates AI which accommodates even novice traders. The introduction of AI-powered Grid Trading on Bitget for example allows both novice and experienced traders to make the most of bot trading.

I believe that it is going to be a hard situation for sure but I also believe that we are not going to end up with a good result just like this, we need to get something much better to be done. I know that it is going to end up being a bit different and I know that it is not going to end up being easy and all but I feel like if you do bot trading or copy trading you are going to end up with a much worse result.

This is why I believe that the best thing to do in this case would be making sure that you are doing a good job yourself without getting help from anywhere else. I know that it is going to be a great case if you keep at it, but it would not be a simple task neither. This is why keep learning and being better and gain experience and the end result will be much better.

I agree with using bots because it helps us a lot in trading if we know how to set them up.  but it will only help us, not completely replace us, in making a profit.  as for copying trades, I think it's better to stay away in the first place because making money can be easy just by copying other people's trades.  have you ever thought about why so many people lose in trading?  If we don't have time to trade, why don't we switch to holding?

Even if they are not scams, they are not guaranteed ways of earning money through trading because even these people can make wrong trades and if you are following their trades, you will also lose money. So those who follow the trades of others or make trades based on signals provided by a group or an individual, need to understand that it is much better if they do some study, learn the ways to analyze the coins and the market, and do it themselves.

But unfortunately, people who are new to cryptocurrency trading don't believe in this and they think that the signals and advice from others will make them a lot of profits, though it sometimes works but that doesn't mean that these are viable means of making a profit constantly through trading.

Both trading for require knowledge of risk management and understanding of the market. I think bot trading best because their are technical and risk are not . Both methods involve risks, but bot trading is automated which helps traders stop mistakes. On the other hand I think copy trading is suitable for investors who have limited time and cannot spend a long time in front of the screen. Both types of trading have their own benefits, but their effectiveness depends on the  trader

Copy trading is like a playing in Casino, where someone else makes bets with your money. Trading bots are safety, but useless. You can make the same with your own hands. It seems that much smarter would be investing in liquidity pool, for example. Or even just holding your btc.

Make your own strategy for trading. It is not right to risk so much money depending on trading bot or any other system. If $4000 can be traded properly, you can convert this $4000 into much more dollars. You have enough money to trade but if you think you don't have enough ideas or experience to trade, you should stop your trading activities for some time. Keep your trading activities off for a few days and try to learn something about trading and follow professional traders to gain more experience. If you create good experience with your strategy and professional traders, then start trading with your $4k dollars you will get success

Both are for trading, copy trades for those of you who are quite reluctant to do analysis so they only follow every activity carried out by the lead trader while the bot must be used with trading analysis first, setting each target you want to get and the bot will do it automatically, and because both is still in trading, meaning the risk is the same, both are at risk of loss and both make you have to prepare spend more money because when doing a copy trade there will be a fee to be paid as well as the bot will have a license fee so it can use it. The two cannot be compared because everything is at risk.

If you see historical price chart of Bitcoin then we can safely deduce that Bitcoin investment is very much safe. Bitcoin started its journey from zero and in decade time it reaches its ATH of 67k$. Bitcoin after a year or two make a good bull run that gives good ROI. So if you can HODL Bitcoin for year or two then there is fair chance that you will get good return.


If copy trading or signalling work in real life then everyone of us would be millionaire. Signalling groups earn 20 to 30 bucks per week from us by a promise that we would be millionaire by following there advices. You wont see any successful trader running a signalling group.

I mean, investing is safer than trading, I'm not saying investing is safe. Once called investment, business to make a profit, nothing is without risk. Even investing in stable assets like gold is risky, let alone bitcoin.

Yes, I call all groups of trading signals, or copy trading a scam because I don't believe there is a way in this world to make money without knowledge or without hard work. To be honest, I haven't seen anyone succeed by copying someone else's trade, even though it's becoming increasingly common on exchanges.

None of those options are good. It's irresponsible to let someone else work with your money. And even more irresponsibly to let some bot work with it. You will learn nothing even if you lose money.

A trade in which you want a bot to trade for you or copy other people's trade, you too can do so, All it requires you to do is just dedication of time and interest to learn how to do it. I highly discourage traders from depending on someone else to leverage the financial market when they can do it themselves. Think about if the system (bot) is no longer functioning or the source which you are copying from, meaning you are out of business.

Invest in yourself and learn the skill, and it will forever be part of you.

To begin with I think this thread is more suited for the trading section of the forum, that being said be careful as most likely scammers will target you, not only you revealed the amount of money you have in hand, but with all due respect you are also showing that you do not have too much knowledge about this market, so it would not surprise me if a scammer contacted you claiming to have a method to make a lot of money only for you to be scammed on the end, and you need to be very careful if you do not want this to happen to you.

The way that you are planning to invest using these tools is not the right way, and for sure, you'll be just waiting for money for both of these things. I know you want to earn profit as you want to take a shortcut on trading because you are using copy trading or bots, but again, this is not reliable because first you can't rely on them, like if the person that you copy trade will not trade for a year or the bot is not working and you can't contact the developer, plus you don't have any knowledge on trading, then sure, you'll be dead that time, and again you find another copy trading or bot, which again in a few months would be gone. Try to learn on your own so that you won't rely on others; it is better to rely on yourself.

Both copy trading and bot trading is just completely wrong, why will you have to put your confidence in other people, bot is being programmed and it will do what it is asked to do, but it can fail at any moment, I know some people are making money from bot trading but all what I will say is that a day will come when everything will fail and you might end up losing both the main capital you used to start trading and the profits you realized when the bot was working fine.

Why will you copy other peoples trade when you can learn to do your analysis and trade yourself, those people that you are copying their trade also learn it, so why do you have to depend on them, So if the person you copying his trade goes wrong, then you are also losing money? That’s really bad, if you really want to be a trader, take your time to learn how to trade, you can take like $200 from the $4k you are having just to keep on practicing with it, and with time you will also become a professional.

We take the time to learn and learn about trading also cannot guarantee that we will make a profit because trading is not easy, making money with trading is not for everyone. But self-study will give you experiences and skills when you depend on others you won't have. Most traders who can make money must go through losses to regain their knowledge, experience, and skills. So if you seriously want to trade for money, you need to make sacrifices and trade-offs, and I don't see many people doing that so far.

As a newbie, why doesn't OP think about holding for a long time? I believe holding will suit you better, and the profit is not as small as you think. OP, you shouldn't enter a trade if you don't have any knowledge about it, and copying from others or using bots won't do you any good if you don't have knowledge.

both has bigger risk rather than the profitability rate. maybe mining still profitable at this time, but you need to buy better performance GPU rather the amount of it. you can use this site as reference https://www.nicehash.com/profitability-calculator.

Copy trading will not allow you to get the right result on time in your trading, because once that person you are copying from fail at the moment, you too will fail which is not advisable as a new trader to apply such strategy in your crypto trading. If you can take your time to learn so many things about crypto investment before investing, it will really help you to make a good profits from that your small amount of money, because many potential traders has used that kind of capital to improved higher in the community. It is better you take a bold step to start trading by yourself than using bot trading to trade your coins which will be difficult for you to maintain a steady profits from your crypto trading.

I think you Don't know what is copy trading and what is trading by bot. and you Don't know about its rick. You follow them.  You can make temporary profit by trading in short term trading but from here you cannot make regular profit.  And if you follow them, you will not be able to gain any experience yourself.  As a result you will always be dependent on others. So you must analyze yourself and trade according to your own knowledge whether it is short time or long term. After you've done your research, you can compare it to bot and copy trading results and estimate how different they are from your analysis.

If you have no idea what to choose, learn first and start from the beginning of learning how to trade or using bots. If the choice is copy trading, I don't recommend that honestly.

You're like begging for someone's hand just for you to profit and you're unsure if that money you'll be investing there will be profitable and much worse, will lead you to losses.

Using a bot is fine, and there's nothing wrong with that whether you've bought it or using a free version. But the usage of it will depend on you, it's not gonna guarantee you profit just because you're using it.

And you have bitcoin and you're willing to trade it? That's a huge capital but it's yours and try with small amounts first.

This is already given, using a trading bot seems more technical and you can also find it difficult to make it run, it depends.
While on copy trading, you click 1 button and let the master trader do the job.
And both got difference advantages and disadvantages and I can only see the disadvantage of copy trader is the fee you are paying, which is extremely high that fee is only for profitable traders and if a trade is lost, you lost more than you earn, something like that,

No form is safe, if you have invested you have to accept the risk. It is important that you allocate the most reasonable capital

Are you a new person here? As some advice here, why don't you hold your bitcoin and enjoy profit without any risk? Trading is very risky, especially for newbies, I am not saying that trading cannot be profitable, but it is not as easy as holding. If you are passionate, you should start with yourself, not find a way to depend on others. If just using bots or copying other people's signals can make money, there won't be too many people losing.

Although trading generally is risky because of the dynamic system of the market, I believe it's better to be very reliant on one's trading skills than on bots or copy trading, which is almost the same thing, because some bots are still doing the copy trade of other successful traders. I really agree with you, @coinerer. Although trading Might be risky, there are still successful traders who are making steady profits despite the losses they sometimes encounter. They still know how to minimise their risk of losing more than they can earn. So, if traders learn more about how to trade, they can improve themselves without having to rely on bots.  



Cheers 🥂, Dr.Bitcoin_Strange 👺👺

The use of copy trading or Bot was not suggested if you did it for the long term. Maybe if you are a newbie and just need some ideas and experience, but if you keep relying on any of the two, you are actually making yourself a loser in the end. Because successful and profitable traders never do that instead, they'll take their own and develop their own strategies.

I'm not sure if the figure is right but anyways, If I were you, just invest naturally. By simply doing buy, hold, and sell - you're really not stressing your life and have peace of mind.

Instead to venture into what you don't know too well it's better you hold your bitcoin and wait for bullish market to come so that you will make profit, because it's obvious that trading require so many things and you have to learn and understand the skills of trading before you can become a success trader, I will advice you as a Newbie to hold your bitcoin and don't trade both manual and bot because you have not been acquainted with the system of trading mostly knowing the rudiments

If I were going to choose of the two, I will choose copy trading. Trading bot is just relying on the program and not in the actual market, there's a time that the strat that bot were using are not working and that's why a lot of traders profitable at first but end up losing. It's better with copy trading, you can choose which trader you wanted to copy, you can see his performance in trading from the past months to make sure you are with right trader. It's not automatic trade, you have to copy their trade on your account so it's up to you wether you copy trade now or not.

None of these ever worked for me, so I reckon you shouldn't use them either cause they are a fun gimmick at best and a scam meant to lure people who don't know basic trading principles out of their hard-earned cash. If you managed to go so far as to earn as much as 4k BTC without ever using trading as a form of profit gaining then might as well stick with what works for you yeah? Or perhaps you're talking about $4k worth of bitcoins to which I say just save it for now, learn trading by heart so you don't have to rely on these scammy bots and copy traders who don't even know what they are doing in the first place, so you have full agency and accountability for all your wins and losses.

How come every newbie only asks to use bots for trading? Are they not looking for ways to make good and right trades to make a profit. $4k is a huge amount and it is entrusted to trading bots which have the risk of being wrong or even fraud. Doing your own trading is more advisable and learning trading knowledge is mandatory. Without trading knowledge, never enter the crypto market, it will only be a wasted disposal.

I'd be careful of not choosing any of them because these days, I choose not to be a day trader. But if you want to be one, you have to start just going with the spot market. And if you're looking for any alternatives, there's no need for you to think. By simply buying that $4k worth of BTC as your investment, you don't need to do that much as you only need to hold and do nothing with it. There's no any tricks or strategies aside from the term called, HODLING. I'm sure that you've heard of that somewhere and with that amount, you need to search for yourself first if you truly are prepared and ready to buy Bitcoin. Because if not, you may regret it eventually that you've bought when you're not prepared mentally and emotionally.

Bot and copy trading work almost the same because the bot works through a program and that program is created by a human so a programmer programs the bot based on his own research and analysis. I don't like being dependent on anything to trade. trades must be done through your own personal research and analysis. It improves confidence and reduces fear in trading. So I don't think trading through bot or copy trading is a logical decision. Both of these are very risky

I dont know if it is just me, but I personally dont like those trading classes and the people who say to be professional traders and are giving classes for money. I have read on the internet that most of the time that kind of people are not actually successful traders and just try to profit off people who actually want to learn, by repeating things which the student could find in a Youtube video on their own.

I assume there must be some exceptions to this norm, but I don't see why someone as a professional speculator, would decide to exchange their secrets for money, when there is the chance just to continue trading and get the money.

Well, I will not take a bet on any of both, investing on a copy trading or bot simply means that, you will be trading both on other person's or peoples opinion..

With 4k bitcoin, which I assume to be $4000 in bitcoin, I will advice you to attend a trading class, take your time to learn all that there is to trading, trust me, you will be glad you did.

But assuming I assumed wrongly, and that you actually own 4000 bitcoins, I won't trade if I were you, I will just sell some part, maybe 2 or 3 bitcoins, establish a very big business which I will he managing, the rest of the bitcoins, I will allow them to sit there until my price target is reached.

If you want to become a successful trader, learn it the hard way.

Those experts now had to spend many time learning the in's and out's of trading. What strategy will work for them, and what isn't working. What indicators do they need in order for them to know the good entry, and exit point. Those experts didn't use a copy trader, or any bots at all because they know that they can do better than both of them.

You have the money yes, but you don't have the skills. If you want to trade, learn it, research on it, and invest some time learning it. I'm not using both of them, and I didn't even try using both of them, so I don't know which would be better, but what's the alternative? You. You need to learn trading, so you can control when you need to enter, and when to exit, and not relying on these some bots. Better if you just buy, and hold your Bitcoin if you don't want to learn trading by yourself, or maybe find a mentor that'll help you if you really want to learn it.

both are very risky so we must first learn how to invest without having to use bots, because the bot has been fully managed by the program so we are difficult to get profits and the bot on average there are many scammers, and you have 4k BTC it is a fairly large asset so you must be careful in investing so that you can add to the results and bitcoins you currently have, Look for other solutions besides using bots or in copy trading.

Both are extremely bad ideas which will end up with you losing all your money. And before you even ask, no, signals are not real and only scammers will provide signals. What you should do, since you are so interested in trading, is to learn how to trade in the first place and then you can practice on mock trading sites which do not require you to use real money. After you have gotten used to trading and understand the fundamentals of trading analysis and strategies then and only then should you try trading with actual real money.

Copy trading? Show me a trader who never makes mistakes. Bots? If there was a good trading bot, it would not be open to the public.

You have to be careful when it comes to money. You have to assume everyone is trying to trick you.

Best choice I guess is to study how trading really works. Well, copy trading and bot trading would be good options but would you be really happy winning in such way without knowing what is happening with your money? Not to mention losing in these ways. Atleast if you would lose with your decisions, atleast you'd learn something from it. Copy trading would give you profit especially if you picked the right trader but keep in mind that you have different margins which could make a change with the outcome as well. And as for bot, there's be times of some bugs and inconvenience. So better do it on the right way that trading should be done.

Even for a veteran, copy trading and trading with or without a bot is still a lot riskier than investing. Given that there is also a risk in investing therefore I won't call it safe. Profitability will depend on the person. No matter what they do, whether they invest or trade but if their skills are still low, they won't still make a good amount of profit.

Having a passion for one thing is important and we don't just force our selves to like them because we won't still be successful at them. Copy trading might only be for the lazy while using bots can sometimes be for the person who are busy. Not all copy trading are scam. Maybe you are not only aware that some are earning on them.

I will not advise you to use anyone. How reliable are these platforms or individuals you intend to copy from? I have seen various adverts on social media of trading gurus that are proficient in trading but sometimes they turn out to be fake or amateur traders. Bots can not also be trusted because they cannot be compared to human intelligence. They are programmed to work in a specific pattern. A slight change in the predicted situation can lead to serious trading errors.

They best option is to learn about trading. Read and watch materials on trading and use your experience to engage in it. It will be better to have your destiny in your hands. At least if you lose or gain, it's your fault, and you won't blame or praise anybody or machine. But if can stand the risk of trusting a trader or an AI tool, then you can go on with anyone.

I agree with your advice, for a newbie with no knowledge of trading, its best he stays away from it and just holds his bitcoins. Holding is not only safe, but it can also be more profitable than trading. Of course, if he is passionate about trading, he can start, but let's start with the knowledge not to seek to copy signals from others or use bots.

I sincerely advise OP not to trade without any knowledge, honestly, I have not seen anyone who can make a profit from copying others, it's all scams.

There's no such invest in copy trading or trading bot, you're trading and you has a chance to lose more than 50% of your beginning amounts. Either copy trading or bot trading, both of them are scam because there's no such tool where someone can make easy money. Copy trading is just use someone else trading activity and bot trading is giving you a signal when to buy and when to sell.

If you want to invest, just buy Bitcoin and hold it on your non custodial wallet, don't stake into a centralized site.

Just buy and hold. It is stress free, risk free. Trading is for the pros and since you are not a pro you shouldn't do it. You can mimic pros but what if he suddenly stops sharing his trades? Also what if he gets caught in a bad run and ends up broke? You will get broke too. It is always better to trust your own abilities instead of depending on someone else's and if you don't know how to trade then the answer is very clear: BUY & HOLD

This is a very straightforward response just as it should. Trading is intentional. The OP has to know that one has to be both vested and committed to the process. And it is fun too. The goal of trading shouldn't just be about to make money. It should be more than that.

I agree that this topic should be moved to the trading board where more seasoned traders would respond based on personal experience.

I've used both and I still lost some money, it's not going to be easy to find the right trading bots as many are nonsense and high risk, and copy trading can be blinding at times, one day I made over 1000$ copy trading on a exchange, I thought yes I found the best trader online that can help make me some money but later all his trades went against him and that's how I kept losing 100s of dollars, it was like he lost his lucky gem or just his bad luck and I stopped following him, I quit copy trading after trying other traders out, they all seem to be the same with results.

It's better to learn trading yourself, there is always a way in every things that seem hard at first, if you can get serious with trading you will find your own strategy, it's only going to take time and complete focus.

I would say just hold your 4K bitcoin because that’s pretty good amount if you look by the perspective of % gain over the period of time. As you know yearly hikes for the bitcoin could range from 50-200% or more. May be more I think because we have seen miraculous price hikes for a period of the one year or so. I think best advisable thing is to hold only. You will end up in unsecured investment if you do it on the bots. They are not sure shot way of making proper trades. They are sometimes just product which are getting sold in the name of making profits for you. So just be cautious while taking all the decisions.

don't trade this both way because these are not right way to invest in bitcoin or altcoins, i traded by bot but it's looks high risk,
because it will not work always, why you need to follow these way,
if you don't know about basic trading then just hold your coin in strong hand which is the best way to make profit in bitcoin.

I don't think both methods are right for you. As a newbie, you should start by equipping yourself with knowledge and begin like others instead of looking for things that are not real. I dare to bet you that, whether you rely on others or use bots to enter trading, there will be a common outcome, that is loss and loss of money. No job or investment can be profitable without learning, without knowledge, and depending on others. If the bot could turn a profit for you, its creator might have gotten rich trading instead of selling it to you.

Firstly, you should not state how much BTC you have. In doing so, you are opening yourself up to all kinda of social attacks that could lead to a breach, and loss of funds.

In terms of what is better, you'll have a lot more trial and error experience in finding a working strategy with a not, and even after you find a strategy there will always be a point where that strategy epically fails, or fails enough to wipe out most/all gains and create a loss. Mitigating chance of loss massively reduces returns where there's no point to begin with.

Copy trading removes the trial and error process in exchange for trusting that someone else has done that process and is using a working strategy built for the long term (always unlikely, never certain), and leaves you open to the same (or larger) potential fail points as configuring a born with your own strategy.

The best thing you can do is manage positions. Positions with a minimum length of 3 days, stretching to weeks, sometimes months, can be a much better way to increase accuracy and produce positive results. Short term methods like bots and day trading never work out due to unpredictable volatility. Managing longer term positions increases reliability of the longer the time frame that you are conducting analysis and setting your goals for.

Tldr: Don't bother with bots or copy trading. Do research, conduct analysis, manage positions.


Come on. Use some common sense. Obviously he means $4,000 worth of BTC.

Who would bother trading or doing anything other than holding their wealth at the point of 4,000 BTC ($120,000,000) let alone asking a forum for advice.

OP, from your questions I believe you are a newbie to trading, so my suggestion for you is that you should make out chance for yourself to dive into trading contents and read, practise, ask questions on the Trading Discussion Board, and learn. Then you will know some basic things about trading, practise how to trade, develop your strategy, and master it. After which, you should be able to copy other traders analysis and try it out with yours to see which one is better. From there, you can also try other traders strategies, and you will be able to tell if they are favourable or not.
I will not advise you to use bots. The reason is that I don't really use bots for my trading and have not used them before. Also, for copy trading, while I was trading in the past, I relied mostly on my strategy. If you are inexperienced with trading, you will just end up losing your $4,000



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Copy trading strategies can work for a while, get profit but the market will change after about 6 months. Usually it will have very big change every six months and you can lose big money with copy trading strategy at such times.

Trading bots can not help you if you set up bad parameters for your bot. Another risk is API can be hacked and your fund at exchanges will be affected.

If you want bots, check
[BIG LIST] Crypto Trading Bots

$4000 or 4000 BTC?

You are confusing yourself between invest and trade. Do you want to use that $4000 or 4000 BTC to trade or to invest?

Either it is $4000 or 4000 BTC, it is very big money.

OK then tell me another options

Bot should only be a support tool for us, we still have to analyze and make our own judgments about the market, and bots can't analyze and automatically earn money for us. It seems that he is a newbie and does not have any knowledge of the market or trading, so I think that neither bots nor copy trading is suitable for him.

The only way is for him to learn everything about trading by himself if he really wants to make money from trading. There will not be any method without knowledge or relying on others that can make a profit.

Both are wrong, I would recommend to spend that $4k on trading it yourself, 1% each trade and learn how to trade yourself from many free resources which are available over on the internet.

Here are some basic things you should know to begin with:
1. Support / Resistance
2. Price Action
3. RSI, MACD, Stochastic RSI
4. VWAP, Volume

Good Luck! Don't spend on bots.

Copy trading is good than a bot in my understanding. However a bot never have the thinking same as the human minds. For this reason I prefer copy trading which is really good. To find the right person is the must, and the same will give us better learning and the skills to make better predictions.

Bots were pre assigned with specific commands and they execute is continuously. So, it also have the advantage in some form. This means for varying needs different methods can be applied.

It depends on your trading skills and knowledge.
If you're a skilled trader and have good trading experience, using bots has a positive effect on your trading activity.
When using a bot for trading offers automation and the potential for more precise execution of trades, these bots can be programmed with specific strategies and algorithms to make decisions based on market conditions.  This option is suitable if you have deep knowledge and skills in trading strategies and want to maintain more control over your investments.
But, there's a big but that I mentioned ahead, it requires technical knowledge to set up and monitor the bot effectively.

If you're new to crypto and have zero knowledge, I would prefer to hold your Bitcoin as your investment for a long period of time.
Because both options you've said are very risky.

I wouldn’t recommend either of them. There are so many scam accounts and fake traders who claim to be successful from crypto trading, they guarantee their trading bot is 100% efficient and has no risk, which is false btw. Why entrust your money to someone else to trade for you, you could learn how to trade from a professional with the money you’re about to spend on a bot. Have you considered simply hodling your 4k bitcoins? It’s a much safer and better option than what you have in mind. This strategy will not work if you’re looking for something more fast paced and quick results.

Bad idea to reveal such information, you will be fine as there is no connection with your identity to your forum account but expect scammers to slide in your dms with investment opportunities.

I haven't used both for a long time, but of the two options do you have the skills to run between copy trading and bots?
Have you studied that? What about spot trading is it better or better than both?

If you already have $4K capital in BTC why choose to trade, I think a lot more do hold BTC than they trade or any other type.
I know it's everyone's taste, but I prefer investing in bitcoin to get to the next halving.

I chose neither, although either option has advantages over the comparison above. But you are very lucky to have $4k for initial investment and you are in the right market moment to believe in bitcoin investment for long term. IMO

I recommend that you learn the basics of investing in crypto assets before planning to use the funds for long-term trading or investing. So, don't rush to choose a bot or copy trading if you don't have market analysis skills because you will make the wrong decision regarding your investment. Remember that Copy trading or bot providers do not risk your losses.

And why would you stake your money in bot or into someone's move? Both of your option is not actually good, its your own money your risking so it should be your own decision wether you make a call in Bitcoin. You wouldn't gain anything from the two, you'll have to invest at yourself first by studying and gaining knowledge then you could start by small amount first so you can slowly be familiar on the system in the Bitcoin. Trust me relying into someone or bot is not a good idea. Just do your own research, and don't invest money that you can't afford to lose.

If I need to choose between the two I would choose to copy trading but both of this are not great, copy trading wasn't really that bad since you're going to copy the trading of the people who makes a lot of profit so you could easily guarantee that you're not going to lose money since they are probably the most professional trader but if you really want to invest on cryptocurrency or Bitcoin the first rule is you should be the one that is going to do it, not like you're going to invest on someone who is a trader and then give them your money letting them trade for you, if you do that there is a good chance that you're just going to lose your money.

I mean I see a lot of trading bots already sometimes these bots are lucky and able to create some profit but most of the time they just lose the trading, I don't think there was an accurate bot that could easily predict the market if there was then bot traders I guess was already rich, but it was not so just don't do bot trading to avoid losing money.

The bot is way better than copy trading if you know what strategy you can set up on the bot but if you are a newbie using a bot is very risky if you don't know any strategy. So better learn to trade first before going to use trading bots I have the best source where to learn.

Check this source https://github.com/SpiralDevelopment/Awesome-Crypto-Trading

Both aren’t a choice to pick from. Why?
You never get to do any of the intellectual work and you learn nothing from either copy trading or letting a bot handle your trading for you.
In both methods, there could be a swift change and your likely not to get notified, don’t get to change your stands and consequently, be met with loses that would be beyond your comprehension or you just can’t accept.

You’ve got $4k, good. Perhaps you could invest it in some familiar project or investment. It mustn’t be crypto or crypto related but should you be needing a crypto investment, you could as well buy bitcoin and hodl. The halving isn’t far now and speculations on a bullrun could make your investment worth the while.

I don't get why those even are your only options, because If you have to ask you clearly don't understand how they work and what are the risks, and how they are not even comparable.

But in short: If you trust a trader enough to copy their trades you are taking a risk if the trader is good enough. They could have been just lucky in the past.

But what ever you do, don't invest in the bot. You will eventually lose with that.

what more can i say, better walk slow in this market so you won't regret later on. this is the usual problem of most newbies in this market. they want to get huge profits at a short period of time so they want to find the fastest route to earn profits.
however, most of the time, such route is detrimental to their funds. as they can easily be liquidated if they are too late to respond to the market movement.

Both copy trading and using a trading bot are not the best options for you!

Since you are new to Bitcoin, I will suggest you take your time and learn some basics about Bitcoin before you start your investment because trading bots work based on how they are programmed; likewise, copy trading too.

Use this to get some basic knowledge on how Bitcoin works and some ways to keep your coin safe. Once you have learned a lot, you will decide what to do next, but I will advise you to buy and hold your Bitcoin before you gain adequate knowledge of Bitcoin trading.

If you used copy trading, then obviously, you will not learn trading itself as you will rely to those traders, so you don't have total control.

If you bot, then you need to set up it's parameters, although others might guide you, but still it will be based on what you tell it to do for you.

So why not just learn trading itself? there are a lot of successful traders that started from nothing. But they have persevere, spend a lot of time learning and educating themselves in order to win in the end.

But if you really doesn't want to complicate things then why not just buy BTC and then hold till the next bull run?

Bot has its options and feature so it depends on who is setting up the bots.  The function of a bot is dependent on the input of the user so I don't think it is risky for a veteran user of bot but yes it is somehow risky for a new user due to not being familiar with the application.

Between bot and copy trading, I think it is better to learn how to setup a bot than copy trading since if we are knowledgeable enough with the market, we can then set our bot according to what we learn and possible insight of the future trading.  While copying is limited to the action of the account being copied.

I would also advice @OP to familiarize himself to trading and gain enough knowledge to determine the possibilities by just reading the market price movement.

If you are asking which one is better for you, then maybe you should not trade.

Trading is not like investing that you just have to buy the coins and just store it safe, trading is more complicated than that and you have to actually learn how to trade, so if you don't know what you are doing, hold that BTC you have.

Trading discussion board is better for your thread, so you can interact with other active traders, move it there.

None, both are the same because bots works base on the program it is designed to run on and these are usually from people’s opinions and it is risky.

The best alternative is to keep calm and learn the trading yourself which is less risky because you knew when to pull out and so on.

As for now without proper training trading knowledge I wound advice you just hold some bitcoin with the funds you have either by buying through the DCA method. And then you can continue to learn your trading skills

Which is better to invest in copy trading or bot

And is there any other alternatives

I have 4k btc to invest